The 8 Types of Japanese Learners / 8種の日本語学習者 | Dōgen

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[@Dogen]

Like if Demon Slayer is your favorite anime of all time

[@cereallord4103]

It is

[@driesverhaag8955]

I Suki it also

[@baltimorewhisperer]

no it has to be death note for me

[@The_Arisen]

No one ever mentions utawarerumono (s1)! D: Or spice and wolf! T_T

[@dattruemg_6062]

No, cowboy beepbop...

[@hafreeze13]

the mix between Japanese and English pronunciation is just perfect

[@PCNebula]

*transformers*

[@jjrpoektl1925]

Saying “katakana words” in a complete American accent is so accurate!!! Even after 5 years and my classmates are still doing it

[@dontworryhouston]

My hero acadeMIA

[@peter-subramanian]

c h a r a c h t e r s

[@inn3720]

Damn I was about to point it

[@Perplexer-VT]

The ending was just, beautiful. Not a dogen video without a self roast.

[@astral6749]

A comment that was posted 4 months ago with 3.2k likes and still no replies? This must be a new record.

[@dr.nightmare9093]

@@astral6749 and you had to ruin it dum dum?

[@water1374]

@@dr.nightmare9093 It could've just had one, now it'll be #2 forever Wait a minute

[@dr.nightmare9093]

@@water1374 make it 4

[@tushaar02]

*5

[@supahrob64]

I don't understand how you saw 8 of my classmates in Japanese class from college

[@squeebosh8525]

I was gonna say the same thing.

[@elcastrogarcia]

Y'all studied Japanese with Dogen

[@seapeajones]

God I was at least 3 of them 😮‍💨

[@squeebosh8525]

@@seapeajones I sat next to number 7/ "The chill dude" in my second to last semester of Kanji last year and you could totally tell he was a stoner but he was a cool dude when in class. Just as the pandemic was ramping up, the class was getting briefed on how we'd continue over zoom because school would be shutting down in a couple of days and he jokingly said; "We're millennials! We eat ass so we're fine"! Everyone was a bit scared and saddened but after he made that comment, we all had a good laugh and a good rest of the class. Good times.

[@quiver_ebira]

The reason why I learn "English" is to understand Dogen's videos as a native Japanese speaker.

[@jrb363]

Good Luck!

[@ewonloe7940]

Good motivation

[@Xezlec]

I respect any Japanese person who can speak English well. English and Japanese are so different!

[@janeaustin2469]

頑張ってください！

[@soullesscadmium30]

Nice I'm the opposite :-)

[@boeman6702]

That moment when you try to say 僕のヒーローアカデミア but realized that you don't want to sound like a completely lost nerd and that the person you're talking to is an English speaker, and just say "My Hero Academia"

[@rixku3358]

Happens to me all the time. Always refer to it as 僕のヒロアカデミア but then when someone says My Hero Academia, I always need to think about what they’re talking about. 😂

[@tetsusumu]

my life

[@krystalkreii7574]

God, I did the same thing when I was buying tickets for the BNHA movie in my country, I caught myself afterwards and refused to speak anymore for the rest of my time there lol

[@tetsusumu]

@@krystalkreii7574 ugh sounds awful 😂

[@plvmbvm513]

I can't tell if this is a joke or not

[@tgg858]

“Is this the right kanji for osameru?” Nope. It never is. Ever.

[@HasekuraIsuna]

roflmao but personally I have more of a problem with the three susumeru >.

[@rodrigoastinzatostado9766]

Laughs in うつる

[@HasekuraIsuna]

@@rodrigoastinzatostado9766 Laughs in よる

[@mikiyachi2]

Riiight? I was just thinking I don’t actually remember that!

[@angstylemonsartistiq5648]

@@HasekuraIsuna HECK I always write it in hiragana, the kanji kills me every time

[@elementart_]

There's always that one guy who doesn't stop talking about Satomi

[@33.wahyuagungs22]

Who's satomi? I don't get it

[@somerandombee8872]

@@33.wahyuagungs22 watch the video

[@SmartJapanHacks]

In my class is was Misato 🙂

[@StevenBara]

Satomi is one of those virtual girl character app things, right?

[@ProvocativeSloth]

I married Satoshi.

[@spooky4036]

Hearing an american accent "character" in the middle of a full japanese sentence opened up my third eye

[@chrisheartman9263]

I felt my whole body take a fucking screenshot. Also, me being a JJK trash made me feel the same

[@SB-gu6yq]

I’m Japanese and I was surprised this Japanese speaks English very well. He must have been studying English a lot.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

www

[@thedeadpoolgames6322]

So this is the joke on this channel innit

[@mijukudreamers]

Me working : I'll watch later Thumbnail : can you do infinite void? Me : click

[@Sebasu_tan]

Literally me.

[@vanessameow1902]

I love how Dogen physically couldn't hold back his laughter while playing the KY otaku.

[@rifwann]

Btw whats the ky in ky otaku?

[@TheKane001]

@@rifwann I think it means " kuki ga yomenai" or a "KY" for short ...someone who can't read the situation/atmosphere very well... literally "can't read the air". Hope this helps! Might be mistaken though!

[@MaryAnnSweetAngel]

I'm still an otaku. And the thing is I'm a girl living in india and here all the girls love Korean dramas and want to learn korean and I'm watching anime and trying to learn Japanese so i don't fit in 🙃

[@planetarysolidarity]

"Kuki ga yomenai", Thanks

[@amekach.710]

"Have you been to Ichiraku Ramen" I'M DEAD

[@ellisrifter6621]

my man watches dogen aswell

[@thomasjin1415]

When I least expected him to appear lmao

[@lawltalents]

WE ALL CRACKED UP TOGETHER

[@joyfacedown]

That he couldn't help but laugh at the end, loved it.

[@coryellis1877]

The way he was holding back from laughing at that part 😂

[@foopymaster1757]

I really felt that “character” at 1:16

[@Lauramussss]

I cackled. The struggle man

[@kuroishiofficial]

Lmfao

[@jannuarytrash]

先生は、ナルトのＣＨＡＲＡＣＴＥＲの中で誰か一番好きですか

[@zenithchan1646]

@@jannuarytrash i _totally_ get you

[@mii-sanch.939]

@@Lauramussss STRUGGLE MAN IS DOING HIS BEST OK

[@violabunnie]

My Japanese class was 90% international students who wanted the easy A language credit bc they were fluent in Mandarin or Korean, and the other 5 of us were weebs.... 😂 miss those days

[@yorgunsamuray]

Thinking Japanese must be easy because of the same characters used, they’ll have a big surprise. Same applies to those who think Korean or Mandarin is easy for them because they speak Japanese too. Have been there.

[@violabunnie]

@@yorgunsamuray I mean.. I'm an intermediate level in Korean and knowing Japanese definitely helped as the grammar is identical. Sentence structure, particles and conjugation are all the same. Just the words and writing system are different. Knowing Japanese also helped when I was studying Mandarin as some characters were already familiar to me. But I agree, it's not like you're auto gonna learn a language just because you know one on the same family, but it definitely helps make it a bit easier ! :)

[@yorgunsamuray]

@@violabunnie yes, grammar-wise it’s certainly close and kanji does help. Concerning same families, I tried my hand in two Slavic languages. The similarities did help on some aspects but the opposite happened too.

[@tams805]

@@yorgunsamuray It is much easier. Sure, aural material isn't opened up to you as much, but anything written or can be written is pretty much available straight away. And similar grammar helps a lot as it's already intuitive. By comparison, someone who can't speak a similar language can read nothing at the beginning and has to spend a lot of time looking stuff up. And the sentence structure isn't just there. I think where the opinion of, 'it doesn't magically make it easier' comes from is that if you already have those advantages it can be very easy to be complacent and lazy.

[@xhao1108]

Hint: 90 % of Chinese speaking japanese learners are weebs too

[@prestopjs]

The KY Otaku section was too accurate. The grammar from Genki 1, the pronunciation, it’s like I’m looking into a mirror

[@vaylard9474]

It took me 5 minutes to figure out that KY did not stand for 空気が読めない

[@johnythepvpgod1470]

@@vaylard9474 i thought that meant "dont read air" until i realised 空気 has multiple meanings

[@vaylard9474]

@@johnythepvpgod1470 空気を読む is an expression, a pretty damn important one, look it up

[@corasundae]

@@vaylard9474 I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it stands for though.

[@vaylard9474]

@@corasundae Idk, I think it refers to 鬼滅の刃 here

[@Astral52_]

I knew that last joke was gonna be a self insert

[@mgancarzjr]

"Shut up, weeb." Perfect. I wonder if weeaboo is the keigo version of weeb.

[@technic1285]

If you call yourself a weeb it's kenjougo, if you call someone else a weeb it's sonkeigo

[@SpaghettyLuvsU]

おウィアブーさん

[@GervasiusMC]

@@technic1285 i have never seen a description so accurate

[@michaelm124]

"Satomi likes transformers" 😂 I'm laughing so hard this honestly might be my fav video of yours

[@d.2605]

Mine too, I think.

[@Trynottoblink]

Same I’ve watched it three times

[@JXChin777]

With Dogen's ability to switch between perfect English and Japanese on the fly, he should really consider going to English to teach Japan.

[@g1234538]

This just feels like an autobiography of Dogen.

[@shadowsketch926]

I feel like this is just Dogen's life cycle so far, from the one that can write but can't speak, changes it and forgets how to speak, becomes pretentious, then has a prequel moment where all he did was recommend amv as a teen, then becomes the one that just sits silently and snaps when someone messes up, to his ultimate form: the foreign Japanese pitch-accent and pronunciation teacher

[@negikogok]

1:23 perfection

[@le-ore]

superb acting

[@thorbergson]

That aspiration tho!

[@teresab7909]

that was my favorite part! hahahah

[@MysticCat21]

The chill dude who maintains the peace is that one friend we all need...

[@Ozai75]

Was waiting for the self-deprecating humor, wasn't disappointed.

[@FalbereChan]

as a chinese speaker myself i automatically assumes the role of the kanji master (that can't read/speak japanese)

[@Basilisks666]

I love how he just tried not to burst into laughing when doing number 3.

[@coresummer]

今敏さんは天才ですよね

[@epicshot2000]

being too shy to speak atm, that first one hit me hard. but I'm getting better

[@orivalx]

The second one hit me hard. I cant write for shit

[@wangfluenza]

@@orivalx I study chinese, but i feel attacked by the second one too

[@CodyMerritt]

#3 was PERFECT. The little smile that says "I'm so proud of myself for speaking Japanese!" got me so hard. Well done, Dogen xD

[@rodrigoastinzatostado9766]

IKR, it takes me back when I started learning Japanese :)

[@CodyMerritt]

@@rodrigoastinzatostado9766 oh heck yeah! Takes me back too ^>^

[@HawerTipeZero]

when he said Satoshi Kon was a VA in SAO i turned into the next guy, lmao

[@kennethirgendwas4616]

i just had a thought. maybe the reason why everyone can tell you're a foreigner is not because your pronunciation is somehow off, but because its too good.

[@noneontheair]

No joke, I actually have had this happen to me on a couple occasions

[@worldcomicsreview354]

@Whistler Paging Germany...

[@TheeTabris]

I just love how you barely got through asking if sensei has ever been to Ichiraku Ramen, xD

[@MintyDragonfly]

I love that it’s “acadeMEEa” 😂

[@Nediame]

"The guy who cares too much about his pronunciation" I knew exactly what was coming after that haha

[@konstiyo]

the trials of japanese fluency are of great difficulty. 1) reading 2)kanji study 3)understanding 4)speaking 5) pronounciation 6)Dogens reality checks

[@PCNebula]

the change from "boku no" to "my" is so me

[@_Titanium_]

I feel like this whole vid was made just for that punchline at the end.

[@PrincessPengy]

I just realized the "keeps the peace" guy just addressed each of the topics of the characters before him, that's a nice little touch, just like a capybara.

[@-Raylight]

*"The suddenly loud KY Otaku (who we all were at one point)"* All of us : *_"Is that like a personal attack or something??"_* That ending lmao, I can't believe he just roasted Dogen. Too savage xD

[@poiiihy]

wat KY mean here

[@bmanpura]

I confess to feeling physical pain after that sentence.

[@KingSaheb0079]

Obligatory Brie Larson sucks lmao

[@LuminousXMI]

@@poiiihy An expression to describe someone who can't read the room.

[@Barlie_]

@@poiiihy KY is short form of 空気読めない (Kuuki Yomenai) KY means being unable to read the situation or being unable to pick up on the mood of a conversation

[@kattanakaokopnik5170]

Got to the end and FELL OVER LAUGHING. Well played.

[@HikariHolic]

I see Dogen, I see Jujutsu Kaisen ref, I click - simple as that

[@nk9519]

Same lol

[@icahopilm898]

The way he looks at the camera with the innocent bright-eyed student look is so good I felt like a proud yet disappointed teacher the whole time

[@ottersaurus]

1:22 that laugh im dead

[@derpydayha7305]

3:15 Was only paying half attention so I had a mild heart attack when I suddenly heard my name in Japanese for the first time

[@kamibr4644]

😂 Remember school? 😂

[@mijukudreamers]

I also really like Satoshi Kon voice acting in SAO Especially when he shout Star Burst Stream

[@bebelin157]

Good job on number 3, i felt my body physically recoil and cringe when watching it

[@youraverageasian1601]

I was learning Chinese when I started learning Japanese. I ended up being able to read Japanese quite well, but could not remember how to pronounce any of the words, since I termed the Kanjis in my head with their Chinese pronunciation

[@matthijsgerretse3217]

I'm missing my boy "the guy who says they're learning Japanese, but actually aren't, though they want to" (Me tbh)

[@CakeMoon316]

Haven't finished watching but I already feel attacked.

[@infernohomura2941]

I just can't help but be taken aback on how he says CHARACTER lmao 😂😂

[@aphorg7008]

0:24 Why you have to do me dirty like this? 😭 brb going to go practice writing for once in my life

[@djsaidez271]

I can only write Japanese by typing When I go to college, if they expect us to write out our assignments I’m prob gonna be screwed lol

[@CaesarsSalad]

The chill dude was so wholesome

[@Tacospaceman]

I love how the 3rd kid talking to his sensei about anime was clearly hard for you not to laugh while imitating 😂 I’m the guy who doesn’t want to learn how to read, but I’ll work to NOT be that guy lol

[@27daisuki]

"ナルト character" was too accurate😭😂

[@PoemFoot]

As a korean weeb, learning to speak the language and understanding it was a breeze, but for some godforsaken reason I can't wrap my head around the Japanese characters AT ALL.

[@danielsjohnson]

That makes sense. The Korean writing system is supposedly one of the best and easiest writing systems to learn. Then you switch to Japanese's two alphabets and thousands of kanji. No wonder its harder to learn.

[@nanotsuki]

@@danielsjohnson yeah, honestly from the other asian point of view ( i'm from south east asia) Japanese is way easier grammar wise than korean but damn god hangul is really such an easy to learn writing sistem compared to combo hira/katakana+kanji

[@Xezlec]

Learn the radicals first. And their meanings. That makes it easier to learn the characters!

[@Shijaru64]

@@danielsjohnson syllabaries*, not alphabets.

[@andrewlwatts]

@@danielsjohnson In theory, hangeul is super easy to learn. It's an alphabet and organized into blocks by syllable with well defined positions for onset, nucleus, and coda. Then you start running into Korean phonology, which is full of assimilation, gemination, and sometime silent letters, e.g. "to be/have" in dictionary form is 있다 "itta" but polite present is 있어요 "isseoyo" or "to not be/have" dictionary form of 없다 "eopda", polite present 없어요 "eopsseoyo" or 밝 (looks like it should be "park" or "palk") being pronounced "pak". But then, yeah, once you get all the phonology down you can read pretty much anything and look up words in a dictionary without picking radicals and doing stroke counts. n.b. I am a terrible at both Japanese and Korean, because I have too many hobbies, including trying to learn too many languages.

[@crazyonchicat]

i’m no.5 but replace that with hipsters who claim that they love japanese literature but have only read norwegian wood by murakami

[@boniboni4912]

I love your profile picture, Yayoi Kusama 💛🖤

[@illiiilli24601]

oh no stop with the attacks

[@zeraphos5586]

Oh i love japanese literature too. If u count light novels and manga as literature. Hahaha

[@thorbergson]

Ah the quiet glow that illuminates the face of the KY Otaku. That guy will join the surume granny in the Dogen Hall of Fame. The characterizations you achieve in a matter of mere seconds are brilliant, man!

[@zenithk1471]

Never have I wanted to slap someone so hard for having mistakingly guessed Satoshi Kon as a voice actor in SAO

[@-timothe-]

I know 4000 kanjis (+ their traditional forms obviously), but I can't speak. Recently, I've been learning late Meiji's characters you can find in old administrative documents 🤤 that's the stuff. But really, I speak like a N5 level 😢

[@wohdinhel]

plot twist: you’re literally just chinese

[@foolsfury9958]

When I saw the last one I thought "he's just going to stand still and not say anything"

[@elementart_]

3:48 Ooh self-burn, those are rare

[@oganyayloglu5560]

indeed indeed indeed indeed

[@thornajal1045]

Dogen is a gift, thank you for all you do.

[@user-jb2qo3fy3e]

最近どハマりしてます。 動画めっちゃ面白いです🤣

[@mhmihaiparaschiv]

Amazing as always!

[@d.2605]

I wanted to quote one, but they were all home runs! Killin it lately Dogen! Hysterical!!!

[@d.2605]

Only channel I ALWAYS repeat every comedy video 3-4 times immediately...so good...

[@user-jg4fh8rz3r]

落ち込んでいたところで一瞬にして笑顔になった。Dogenさんのクオリティに勝るものはないです。

[@zeparunzefari3691]

Wonderful video as always

[@fireflyrp3214]

I actually WANT to be the gaijin who can speak but can't write.

[@RyandracusChapman]

My reasons for learning Japanese seem to be unordinary. It isn't because of anime, the modern culture, the actual interesting aspects of the language. I am simply enamored by Meji/Showa/WW2 era Japanese history and politics. I'm a huge history buff, and the subtleties of these periods may be my favorite of any nation of all time. There's just so much to learn about in that 100 year span that we can still draw so much from today.

[@thetumans1394]

Reminds me my attempt to learn German due to the supposed inability of English translations of philosophical works to really capture specific meanings.

[@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear]

Thanks for the video :)

[@honeybee806]

This video is gold, the details and humor on point, but then again all of his videos are!

[@MagesIncorporated]

“I mean, shut up weeb” I feel really attacked right now. This was amazing lmao

[@vishwasmattur2027]

I just found this channel yesterday, and now I'm lost in it

[@cathj2301]

the fast switch between accents is so satisfying

[@SamCyanide]

Another great video.

[@user-qt8pi4fq5h]

The 1 dislike was from Dogen himself because he roasted himself too hard

[@NA-tc4cj]

最後のオチが最高です😂

[@TheDamianvain17]

This was great, as per usual, but the end...it had me in tears! Very well played, sir!

[@VampirexEva]

FUUUUUU the “sensei wa” one GOT ME XDDD I’m always like “why I feel like I’m saying 3rd grade sentences” LUCKILY Ik how to say different versions of sentences thanks to anime and just listening to Japanese speakers

[@elementart_]

LMAO that incorrect pronunciation of niHONgo

[@etherdog]

Kevin, you are DOPE! Love the humor!

[@rokxxu]

This is your best video yet, flawless.

[@brownbricks6017]

#1 is me learning Classical Chinese without actually learning the characters' pronunciations lol

[@suleimansghk]

I speak Chinese but not Japanese so I get very baffled when I see kanji

[@nitrogenfume9762]

Number three took me right back to my first couple years studying Japanese at university. Thankfully all of my upper division classmates actually cared about the reality of Japanese society, and it was bliss.

[@kimcolpo]

This was a great video! Number 7 really is the greatest bro.

[@aihtdikh]

Haha that ending caught me by surprise. Nice work.

[@straysheep5312]

Coming out of university with a minor in Japanese, this was hilariously on point. Language itself definitely effects people differently. I have a few uncle's that only speak their native language but can't write their name or read their language on paper. It's crazy.

[@bmanpura]

2:31 I hope he get better sooner than everybody else, before he loses something precious due to all the whipping.

[@AriThecraftydragon]

This was great.

[@LeoLikesLamb]

Your videos butter my biscuits thank you

[@meshxnor]

1:07 I'm crying why is this so funny shajakaoa😭💀

[@djimaaoi3178]

I honestly feel ashamed that my stereotype exists. And yes Satomi is utsukushii

[@koxukoshu]

this was gold ngl,,, something new to watch is a blessing 🙏🙏🙏

[@doobiedoo6586]

Great stuff, had me shook with the Satoshi Kon reference. Mad love

[@azumi222]

The mention about Sasha tho 😭😭

[@LostConviction]

The student who says wa before everything could be the worst one at some point せめて彼らまだ頑張っておいてね d(＞ω＜｡)

[@Radioactivewafl]

beautifully done

[@Zveen]

Always awesome to see someone referencing Satoshi Kon! Lots of love