The Absurd Cult of Atheism Rejects God and Thermodynamics - Defending the Faith

[@rnvinson3]

Another great video!

[@rhett_rydinhood]

_"Atheists claim God does not exist and so they must by default believe_ _that nothing created everything. The probability of this is zero."_ Bullshit right from the start: The basic atheist statement is not ‘No God’, but ‘I don't believe in gods’. It is a false dichotomy to assume there are only the alternatives of God or nothing; there are countless other perfectly natural explanations con- ceivable. How does he calculate the probability of a divine creation so that it is higher than zero?

[@praisehousehoquiam]

You did exactly what I predicted in the video i.e. tell me I don't understand atheism. I'm actually surprised you didn't use the word "nuance". So are telling me (if you are an atheist) that you think there could be a creator? If not, you believe nothing created everything which is what I say in the video. If you do believe in a creator who is it and how are you calculating that?

[@rhett_rydinhood]

@@praisehousehoquiam _"You did exactly what I predicted in the video i.e. tell me I don't understand atheism."_ I wouldn't say ‘don't understand’, but narrowed down to a special case. Your _"Atheists claim God does not exist"_ describes positive atheists correctly, but not negative atheists. _‘So are telling me (if you are an atheist) that you think there could be a creator?’_ Yes, that is the essence of negative atheism, that it admits the possibility of gods but has no good reason to believe in them. _‘If not, you believe nothing created everything which is what I say in the video.’_ No, that is a logical error, another inadmissible narrowing down to two alternatives, to an either/or. That's about as stupid as saying that if it wasn't suspect A, then it must have been suspect B.

[@praisehousehoquiam]

That is not what I said. You are hinting that you believe there may be a creator or saying that some do. If you do not believe in a creator then there is only one other alternative, nothing created everything unless you are about to tell me that there was something in the beginning but it was not a creator. That would defy thermodynamics. Thermodynamics makes it an either/or so are you saying thermodynamics are stupid? Atheists are all purposely vague about what they believe in my experience and have apparently split into denominations as well (like negative atheism, implicit atheism, weak explicit atheism, etc). As I said it is a religion.

[@rhett_rydinhood]

@@praisehousehoquiam _"You are hinting that you believe there may be a creator or saying that some do."_ Since I cannot prove such claim, it would be foolish and arrogant to claim that there are no gods. The only logical conclusion in my situation is to concede the sheer possibility of gods, even if I don't rate their probability highly, because so far there are only no to very poor reasons in favour of this possibility. _"If you do not believe in a creator then there is only one other alternative, nothing_ _created everything unless you are about to tell me that there was something in the_ _beginning but it was not a creator. That would defy thermodynamics. Thermody-_ _namics makes it an either/or so are you saying thermodynamics are stupid?"_ No, but I think your interpretation of thermodynamics is stupid. The first theorem tells us that mass and energy can neither arise nor decay. Accordingly, all of today's mass and energy must have always existed. No creation, no creator necessary. _"Atheists are all purposely vague about what they believe in my experience and_ _have apparently split into denominations as well (like negative atheism, implicit_ _atheism, weak explicit atheism, etc). As I said it is a religion."_ I can't see what's vage about "I don't believe in gods" or "I believe there's no god". The division only corresponds to the different actual statements of atheists, just as with theists: some know, some believe that there is only one or many gods, or that the universe is God, etc. A single statement of both atheism and theism is neither a denomination nor a religion.

[@Max_Doubt]

Life is like an eddy current in the flow of the sun.

[@praisehousehoquiam]

"like" is a simile. Does not explain where the sun or the current comes from.

[@Max_Doubt]

What's the difference between the rejection of God by the atheist vs that of the Hindu or Muslim? 🤔

[@praisehousehoquiam]

Don't understand the question e.g. Muslims do not reject God i.e. do not reject a creator. Atheists do reject and have no explanation of how everything God here, at least not one that doesn't violate well established natural laws.

[@yarickparick329]

skill issue

[@alfarachet2]

you seem very obsessive, do you remember what age you were when the sudden onset of the knowledge of your mortality struck you like an anvil?

[@praisehousehoquiam]

My mom died in an accident when I was 10 and though it hurt I was not scared for my own mortality. I never have been, not as an atheist and certainly not now having been saved by the free gift of Jesus Christ. If have one obsession, His name is Jesus.

[@inscrutablewut]

Everything science postulates is backed with evidence. Your argument is "God done it"? I'm gonna go with the guys that actually have an explanation.

[@praisehousehoquiam]

"Everything science postulates is backed with evidence." Not true at all. Let's at least be honest.

[@inscrutablewut]

@praisehousehoquiam Sure! You go first. Admit there is zero direct evidence of the existence of any God, Christian or otherwise and I will know we are starting from a place of honesty. That's the whole point of faith no? Belief even in the absence of evidence?

[@praisehousehoquiam]

@inscrutablewut I was honest. I did go first. Watch the whole video. What I am addressing with you is your claim that all scientific postulates are backed with evidence. That is not true. One case in point is the Big Bang that if you are honest is your god and creator.