THE ALBANIAN CULTURE OF MODERN GREECE! IS THERE ANYTHING HELLENIC ABOUT THE MODERN GREEKS?

[@TheVini1259]

I'm albanian but i like your logic. I can't help but thinking though that Arvanitas, the language, is pure albanian. It's just another dialect. And as for them saying to greeks that they are greeks is just convinient. If they don't say that, they'd face reprisals and it wouldn't be the very first time they had to endure greek persecution.

[@levesd3722]

Of course, you communist failures and inventions all have the same crap logic. LOL

[@MAKGIRL333]

William St. Clair says The Albanians of Hydra and Spetsae regarded themselves as Greek which implies that the Modern Greeks living in Hydra and Spetsae have Albanian origins.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Is there anything Hellenic about modern Greeks. yes there is according to geneticists. In fact modern Greeks and Southern Italians are genetically the same people, and as we know, southern Italians are descendants of Ancient Greek colonists.

[@ISTORICAR]

Bravo Bobo , odlicno . Abe oti kjut´s , ne mi k´za oti novi videa si napr´vil . Odlicno - od mene 1000 *

[@teddymedolli]

These books are forbidden in Greece...good job...why did not use some sources by Jakob Fallmerayer?!

[@levesd3722]

bullshit like that ought to be forbidden.

[@argeadian]

@funkochoerus ask the one who writ it? And yes it is in Greek, why not using the Greek alphabet it was used that time... any way it is about the Macedonian language and mostly about the Aegean Macedonian.

[@kokimagiko2054]

sure they might have broken from their original tribal group BUT since have integrated into another culture and have genetically mixed with other populations. How much can you be something when you are several generations removed culturally and genetically? Visited Albania, all who define themselves as Arvanites say they are Greek to Greeks, Albanian to Albanians. To me they are the threshold between Albanians-Greek, so they are a hybrid of the 2.

[@CassanderMakedon]

Nikos Dimou ,a greek say : "We used to speak Albanian and call ourselves Romans, but then Winckelmann, Goethe, Victor Hugo, Delacroix, they all told us, No, you are Hellenes, direct descendants of Plato and Socrates, and that did it. If a small, poor nation has such a burden put on its shoulders, it will never recover." Elgin Marble Argument in a New Light By MICHAEL KIMMELMAN Published: June 23, 2009 NY Times

[@levesd3722]

BulgarSkopianov ahahahahahahahahahaa

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Whether it is relevant or not, Griko, the language surviving in southern Italy today is a dialect of Greek, and southern Italy was heavily colonised by ancient Greeks.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

The proto-Greeks were the bringers of the Greek language into the Greek peninsula, namely the Dorians and Myceneans. This is not a hypothesis. It's pretty well given historical fact now. Although it is known that the proto-Greeks were northerners the latest archaeological evidence suggests they belonged to the Seima- Turbino culture.

[@KosovaChelseaTBA]

@mrspartan32 did Marko Bocari grow potatoes?

[@argeadian]

@funkochoerus Don't you tell to others they used foreign words, when you speak ain invented language, the GayfReek language. There are so many peoples in these cheese of your land.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

I'm not making any mistakes. I'm just stating findings of genetic research. Sicily and Southern Italy were heavily colonised by ancient Greeks, that's a historical fact. The fact that modern Greek DNA is the same, is a significant fact. The coast of Asia minor was also colonised by Greeks. Ancient Greece was a mix of proto-Greeks, Pelasgians, Minoans and indigenous neolithic peoples. The Classical Greeks were a mix of all these

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

[Francalacci P, Morelli L, Underhill P A, Lillie A S Passarino G, Uselli A, (2003)] "A study of Chromosomal variation showed that the modern Greeks and Southern Italians have a common prehistoric genetic History, but also to a greater extent a historic one. The southern Italians are largely Greek in origin."

[@TomCat2800]

As a half Greek and half slav (Polish), both cultures are vastly different and no one stole anything from anyone. The reason you see Slavic culture in Greece is because there are over 1 million Slavic immigrant in Greece (From Bulgaria, Albania, Poland, Ukraine, and Russia). We allowed these people in for a better life (despite the few foolish racists). The least you could do is respect our culture and history just and I (and most Greeks) respect yours...

[@raelko]

alevas not a single paper keeping in mind that all this paper use a sample population from 50 to 150 people of each nation, shows that the greeks are a unique nation. The majority of the greek have all the genes that are found in albanians and kosovo albanians which are thought to be genes found in the wave of civilization of the neolithic era (9500 and before bc). While other greek samples also have genes found in lebanese, turks, and believe it or not even egyptian and ethiopian.

[@arbers7271]

The30 Free, why you delete the comment????

[@minottauruss]

@ktm066 if you dont have link its just a opinion

[@argeadian]

@funkochoerus Macedonian, while you are an Ethiopian subtract. Like te secrements of the body you know...

[@suzemak]

БРАВО за видеото,да живее МАКЕДОНИЈА!

[@argeadian]

@minottauruss "HIghlanders" --Ancient Macedonian was the language of the ancient Macedonians. It was spoken in Macedonia during the 1st millennium BC and it belongs to the Indo-European group of languages, but its position and classification among this group is still not fully clarified. It is believed to have gradually fallen out of use, along with possibly other spoken Greek dialects, during the 4th century BC by when the standard Koine Greek was mainly used.[1] You freak, nothing Greek in MK

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Not really. The out of the Ukraine model for the origin of the Slavs is top of the list at the moment. Which is why Slavs also have Scythian (Iranian) haplogroups. Although these haplogroups could be of Sarmatian origin.

[@raelko]

just because you took some of the hellenic letters and created a new language around them doesn't make you hellen, just like the hellens took the letters from the phoenicians and didn't make them phoenician. thanks for playing again.

[@IllyrianWarrior20]

Rrofte Illyria!... 5*****

[@Broski1000100]

We are their descendants at national level absolutely. This is what the revolutionaries of 1821 believed, as evidenced by their first declarations, where they appealed for a National Hellenic revival, after 20 centuries of foreign oppression. Hellenic consciousness had survived in isolated pockets during Byzantine tyranny, as can be seen clearly in the case of Plethon Gemistos and his associates, or the earlier movement of Leon Sgouros. This was further reinforced in Greece during the 17th and 18th century Enlightenment and various revolutionary movements. It has to be understood that an Ethnos is not invalidated by circumstances that lead to its non-expression. To survive, it is enough for a small number of its followers to express it and keep it alive. In the case of the Hellenic Ethnos, this occurred during centuries of Christian and Muslim occupation. Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly doesn't know what a Hellene is and has been for centuries. The Ancient Hellenes did not refer to 'race' (it would have been comical, since at the time this term applied to a small group of 'clans'). Admittedly, a racial consciousness existed in the classical period, which lacks credibility today, given that before and after 1821 other racial groups were absorbed, many of whose number can only be described as 100% Hellenic. A Hellene is one who shares Hellenic mindset, a feeling which makes them feel a connection to Hellas. Kolokotronis, fought for Hellas along with the Arvanites, he shed his blood, his tear and his sweat for Hellas. That's what a Hellene is. If you were to ask him what he was, he would have laughed and said something along the lines of "what am i fighting for?". Ask any Arvanite today what they are and they will say with might "ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ" (Hellenas). That's the truth, you like it or not. No matter what is in our veins, where our heart lies is what matters. We are culturally, nationally and linguistically connected to the Ancient Greeks, thus we are their descendants. No one can argue there. If you choose to, it has to be a proper argument not some bull-crap composed by propagandists.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Actually 80% of European male Y-DNA originates from anatolia and Mesopotamia and arrived in Europe 10,000 years ago with the neolithic farmers. The Albanians certainly have Greek DNA acquired by Greek founders, although Albanians and Greeks share Illyrian and Thracian DNA. The R1a haplogroups in FYRmacedonia are Slavic, as is confirmed by their Bulgarian DNA. The R1a haplogroups in Greeks are old mostly pre-Slavic and came with the Dorians and Myceneans, Greek DNA=South Italian DNA

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Of course it's true. The latest evidence by Zlatko Jakovski of the Forensics institute of Skopje confirmed after a six year study of the Balkans that the DNA of the Slav so-called 'macedonian'population of the FYRmacedonia have a DNA profile that is the most similar to Bulgarian DNA. And the Haplogroups of the Slav 'macedonian' population of FYRmacedonia show that they are also closely related to Serbs. All Europeans have some African admixture, in Britain it's about 1%.

[@argeadian]

@minottauruss Carlos Parada, “Geneological Guide to Greek Mythology”. Philadelphia: Coronoet Books, 1993. take a look at this, it briefly explains things.

[@levesd3722]

AHHAHAHAAHAHHAAAA

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

In nswer to the question posed by the up;oader of this video, 'Greeks who are you?' Well multiple genetic studies show Greeks to be descendants of Ancient Greeks. In fact modern Greeks have been shown to be genetically the same people as Southern Italians and Tuscans. And Southern italians (the Griko) are known descendants of ancient Greek colonists. Therefore Modern Greeks it seems ARE descendants of Ancient Greeks IN THE MAIN, with probably some Roman genetic input, and maybe some Slavic

[@ghostofathens6600]

We greeks are Hellenic we people have history something that Albanians wish to have 😂😎🇬🇷🏅

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

The latest genetic evidence though traces Slavs back to the lands of the Ukraine in early medeival times. Bulgarians for example are almost completely Slavicised and have very little ancient Thracian left. In fact Greeks and Albanians have more ancient Thracian than the Bulgarians. You don't see any Greek prescence????LMFAO. Greece was bursting at the seams, which is why ancient Greeks were migrating to Italy and Asia Minor.

[@levesd3722]

ROFLMAO! What's the meaning of putting 'culture' and 'albanian' in the same sentence?

[@argeadian]

@minottauruss the pella course tablet is a fiction, neve was given to test its radiation, it might be only 10 years old...

[@johnstream9172]

you don't understand what A Greek empire is -or Hellenistic empire is ? if you go to America USA and you ask A black African born in America what ethnicity group it is , what answer you think you take back ,, is American by common ENg language , American by history, American by society, American by multiculture and American by nation..... Greek empire -or Hellenistic empire is the oldest and the longest on the world including colonization followed by Hellenized Roman empire ,and later by the Hellenized byzantine empire ... Hellenistic empire and civilization is the biggest empire ever existed . is a multi culture, multi language, multi society ,multinational , is the universe on earth get to it ...Albania is part of the Hellenistic empire . albanopolis is just a city ..Alabnians is citizens of the Hellenistic empire ...........

[@KosovaChelseaTBA]

@mrspartan32 yes and Usher was the first president of Irland to huhh?

[@levesd3722]

Is there anything not BULGARIAN about the modern FYROMskis?

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

@Koctac Even if you used the assumption that Greeks and Latins were related anyway, then it merely confirms the Greeks are unchanged since Historic and pre-Historic times

[@raelko]

brown greek with white skin? wtf is that supposed to mean? hahahahaha. this is getting better and better. I wonder what other greeks think when they read bullshit that their compatriots write? amazing stuff.

[@Eyrynomos]

Ο Ανιβας ο Καρχηδονιος,ο Αλεξανδρος ο Μεγας κι ο Ιουλιος Καισαρας.Εγω ως Ελληνας ειμαι περισσοτερο περηφανος για τον πολιτισμο και τη γλωσσα μου.Αν και οι Ελληνες ξερουν και να πολεμουν.

[@kokimagiko2054]

Arvanites arent Albanians. They have integrated culturally and linguistically. They dont identify themselves as Albanians.They are highly offended when others identify them as Albanian. Wikipedia is not a proper source guide, anyone can add entries, myths and stories.

[@stopinjorancestuaj]

Shit head, if albanians and arvanites speaks albanian, they are both albanians and arvanites is a way to say albanian, just like arberesh, arvureshu, arber, alvanos, arnaut etc...

[@levesd3722]

@@stopinjorancestuaj But he Arvanites DON'T want to be called 'albanian'.

[@stopinjorancestuaj]

@@levesd3722 Arv(b)anitas and albanian is the sameword.

[@levesd3722]

@@stopinjorancestuaj not anymore.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

I never said 'pre-Greek'. What's a pre-Greek?? I said Proto-Greeks who brought the Proto-Greek language into Greece. How many accounts have you got by the way. We've discussed this before.

[@YiannisThiakos]

@argeadian Dude, Modern Macedonian are a slav Yugo-Bulgarian dialect that declared itself as Language so as to support a new state. Graves and structures if existed should be written in an official of that times language, Yugoslavian or Bulgarian or Greek. Not "Macedonian". Even in this point you are still making up stuff. I wanna see when your friends US leave balkans what you are gonna do. Make company to your 2nd best friend, Turkey?

[@minottauruss]

@argeadian The Pella curse tablet is a text written in a distinct Doric Greek idiom, found in Pella, the ancient capital of Macedon in 1986[1][2][3][4]. Ιt contain a curse or magic spell (Greek: κατάδεσμος, katadesmos) inscribed on a lead scroll, dating to first half of the 4th century BC (ca 375 - 350 BC)

[@minottauruss]

@argeadian References 1. ^ Tradition and innovation in Hellenistic poetry‎ Marco Fantuzzi, Richard L. Hunter - 2004, pp 376 2. ^ Dionysophōntos gamoi: marital life and magic in fourth century Pella‎, Emm Voutyras - 1998 pp.25 3. ^ Indo-European Language and Culture: An Introduction, Benjamin W. Fortson, IV - 2009 4. ^ The contest of language: before and beyond nationalism‎, W. Martin Bloomer - 2005 pp.195

[@argeadian]

@funkochoerus you to only exist in your books, as Greece in XIX century creation!!

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Balls. The latest Genetic evidence by Jakovski confirms the DNA of the Slav 'macedonian' population of FYRmacedonia is THE most similar to Bulgarian. Nothing political about it. And being both South Slavs they originated from the Ukraine in the 5th century AD migrating into the Balkans by the 7th century AD.

[@niksmaithy6929]

Let me get this right the acient hellenic have nothing close to modern greeks of today

[@levesd3722]

and modern FYROMians and Albanians have? lol

[@niksmaithy6929]

@@levesd3722 dnt write to me if you cnt answer the question?

[@levesd3722]

I just stated the facts ;-)

[@niksmaithy6929]

@@levesd3722 if you know what facts are and what they mean you and your kountry will be dangours

[@levesd3722]

In your dreams ;-)

[@YiannisThiakos]

As turks are ancient Greeks. So Albanians can be ancient Illirians.

[@chessplayer100]

this is proof that greeks learn history from Wikipedia and from father Anastas from their local church! cos you learned the language and are baptized it doesnt make you a Hellene one bit! you are still a pontian!

[@YiannisThiakos]

@chalkio1 they didnt only write Greek. Their language was greek dialect. Alexander never said "We will spread the Macedonian culture" but he said " the Hellenic culture" and this is why Alexandrias are spread all over middie east till this day. Arabs and turks call him Iskender. Also Kastriotis middle name was Iskender (in german Iskenberg).

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Bulgarian Slavs are South Slavs. Slavs are a people who migrated from their original homeland now identified as the lands of the present day Ukraine and who migrated inti Eastern Europe in the 5th century AD and into the Balkans by the 7th Century AD

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Modern English is a world away from Old English. So what?? I can't understand a single word of Old English

[@at0mic11]

Suppose this video is true...Even after that, our language is still there. If we weren't Hellenes we wouldn't even speak Hellenic language, doesn't make sense? And where is yours? Or did Macedonians speak Slav(your new theory)???

[@minottauruss]

@argeadian 2/2 . It was published in the Hellenic Dialectology Journal in 1993. It is one of four texts [5] found until today that may represent a local dialectal form of ancient Greek of Macedonia, all of them identifiable as Doric (the oldest is the The Phiale of Megara c. 500 BC)[6]. These confirm that a Doric Greek dialect was spoken in Macedonia, as was previously expected from the West Greek forms of names found in Macedonia

[@YiannisThiakos]

@djditii haha, you talking? You, that you know that the word "albanian" didnt exist 100 years ago. That your flag is Byzantine. You were ruled by Romans and Greeks? Funny. But i am not sure if you even existed back then, becasue why the Kastriotis Family spoke greek? Why did they choose a Greek Roman emblem for their fight against the Ottomans? Why his worst enemy was an albanian Pasa from Ioannena called Alli Pasha and his albanian army? Why did he make treaty with Napoli to ensure power?

[@raelko]

there is no such thing as an arian nation, and this is where history and language enter to define a nation. And greece is a new nation as the greek documents show, and this is not a conspiracy of the albanians or anyone else, for albanians at the time were still invaded and their language was still denied as a written langauge, something that you greeks still deny in your attempts to hide the truth.

[@kokimagiko2054]

Depending on which side you are, each side has its own version of the story. I am sure the Greeks who live on the Albanian side endure(d) Albanian persecution too. There was a large economic Albanian migration to Greece 20 years ago. With this migration it affected-changed Greek society. If Albania over a short period of time receives an influx of foreigners similar attitudes would rise and become apparent to the foreigners. Today many Albanians are part of Greek society and becoming more Greek

[@levesd3722]

Exactly.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Is that so??? Dr. Patricia Balaresque of Britains Leicester University stated that her research showed that the men of Europe are descended from populations that moved into Europe from the Fertile Crescent, i.e from Egypt, Anatolia, the middle east and into Iraq, and that more than 80% of European Y-DNA chromosomes have a middle eastern origin. This was also stated years earlier by Luca Cavalli-Sforza.

[@Eyrynomos]

Ο μεγαλυτερος του μεσαιωνα ηταν ο Τζενγκις Χαν,τι Καστριωτης ρε?Πας καλα,τι καταφερε ο Καστριωτης σε σχεση με αυους που ανεφερα εγω?

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

The latest paper concerning Slavic genetic origins used a population-of-origin approach to trace Slavic populations back to the lands of the present day Ukraine, thus supporting the hypothesis that places the Slavs homeland in the basin of the middle Dnieper.The evidence is also in the Haplogroups.

[@minottauruss]

@argeadian # ^ The contest of language: before and beyond nationalism‎, W. Martin Bloomer - 2005 pp.195 # ^ James O’Neil, 26th Conference of the Australasian Society for Classical Studies, 2005 # ^ Kallipolites and Feytmans AE 1948-9 pp. 92 ff SEG vol. 13 no. 306

[@minottauruss]

@argeadian post something

[@KosovaChelseaTBA]

@YiannisThiakos " haha, you talking? You, that you know that the word "albanian" didnt exist 100 years ago. That your flag is Byzantine. You were ruled by Romans and Greeks? ....... Napoli to ensure power?" hahhahahahahh man thats a lot of propaganda even for a greek ahahhahaahahhahahha

[@petrosz12]

Just because you made a little fake cute video, doesnt mean we are scared of our own people and what lives you have to tell them. You are just mad because Macedonia IS Greece.

[@raelko]

kosovagirl, there is no need of you to curse turkish or greeks. Not all are what you see. What good does it do to curse the ignorants or the stupid? Ignorance can be taught, even though breaking the bonds of religious madness that hold these people's minds in lunacy and fiction is a hard task, and if that's not to happen than they do not suffer from ignorance but stupidity and for that there is no cure.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

I don't mean anything. I'm just quoting Borza who stated, quote: 1) Ancient Macedonians are derived from north-western Greek stock" 2) North-west Greece (Pindus) provided a pool of IE speakers of proto-Greek." 3 )"...origins of the Macedonians lies in the pool of proto-Greek speakers who migrated out of the Pindus mountains during the Iron age...." 4) "Ancient Macedonians originated from the same population pool as other Greek tribes"

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

In 'Genes, Peoples and Languages' Geneticist Luca Cavalli-Sforza confirms that the ancient Greek genetic legacy is clearly detectable in modern Greeks.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Firstly it is very difficult to recover DNA from 3000 year old remains and since the ancient Greeks mostly cremated their dead (Philips remains were burnt) it can be next to impossible to extract DNA.

[@agon1984]

no he was killed by albanian soulite warriors wich where muslim., you have orthodox souliote albanians and ,muslim souloiote albanians, just look at all the pictures of souli warriors in egypt al albanians

[@igorbog88]

alevas29 has no idea what he's talking about.....

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

According to scholars, the ancient Macedonians had Greek cultural traditions, Macedonians considered themselves Greek, had Greek place names, Greek personal names,Greek names of the months. the name 'Macedonia' itself is a Greek word meaning highlander, and is Greek in root form and ethnic termination. Alexander's mother came from the ruling clan of the Greek region of Epirus, and the Epirotes were a Greek tribe. The name

[@kosova5538]

albania kulture beste in balkan True

[@diogeniscruyff1084]

Well albanians are funny,JIM CARREY funny!I really sympathise you guys,its a heavy bitch the feeling of being noone on map of history and on the map in general!But fucking be proud of who you are and try not to steal(you are experts i know) others cultures espesially when you have no fucking relation to it!

[@minottauruss]

@argeadian The "highlanders" or "Makedones" of the mountainous regions of western Macedonia are derived from northwest Greek stock; they were akin both to those who at an earlier time may have migrated south to become the historical "Dorians", and to other Pindus tribes who were the ancestors of the Epirotes or Molossians. Eugene N. Borza, "Makedonika

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

@Koctac The Slav population of the FYRmacedonia are the same as Bulgarians and practically the same as Serbs, and are generally grouped as South Slavs. ALL the facts, factors, DNA and haplogroups confirm this.

[@argeadian]

@funkochoerus What evidence? demolished graveyard in Macedonian and rewritten in Greek? You have gone too far...

[@diavoliaris]

no my friend i am a descedant of Kolokotronis so I know better In those videos he is described by a person that had met him (yeah sure) as a tall lean Albanian I can tell you this you couldn't easly find someone as short as Kolokotronis. the only ones that thought that he was tall were the Turkish askeris

[@argeadian]

@FYROMINJA And your's capital name is not Greek!!!!!!

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

@Koctac But you yourself made the assumption that the Latins and the Greeks are the same people. By that assumption alone modern Greeks are ancient Greeks.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

I'm just quoting studies by geneticists which confirm Greek DNA is the same as Southern Italian and Tuscan DNA. Historically, Southern Italy and Sicily were heavily colonised by ancient Greeks.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Slavic is not just a linguistic identity. Slavic has it's own racial identity which is found in the paricular haplogroups, and the migratory pattern of the Slavs has even been trace back to the lands of the Ukraine, making the upper Dnieper the original homeland of the Slavs.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Modern Scholars now almost unanimously recognise the ancient Macedonians as Greeks, a branch of the Dorian and north-western Greeks who migrated out of the Pindus mountains during the Iron age. Scholars such as Borza and Hammond state that anc. macedonians were of Greek stock and were proto-Greek speakers, that they 'came from the same population pool as other Greek tribes' (Borza). As Bengston states "modern Historians have correctly argued for the Hellenic origins of the macedonians".

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

[Chao Tian et al, (2009)] "Closeset population to Greeks are Italians and Tuscans. The low genetic distance between Greeks and Italians, (the lowest in the fst table, -0.0001 fst) shows once again that Southern Italians are little more than Latin speaking Greeks." And Historically we know that Southern Italy and Sicily were heavily colonised by ancient Greek colonists.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

That stands to reason. Classical Greeks were a fusion of Dorians, Myceneans, Pelasgians, Minoans and neolithic peoples (Helots).

[@argeadian]

@FYROMINJA you can continue this cycle all of your life if you want, Macedonia is wining in any case, just fuck up the EU again, and you are out, Macedonia in :D

[@minottauruss]

@argeadian "In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the fyromians, who have had no history, need one. And they speak a language now recognized by most linguists as a south Slavic language .Their own so-called Macedonian ethnicity had evolved for more than a century, and thus it seemed natural and appropriate for them to call the new nation Macedonia and to attempt to provide some cultural references to bolster ethnic survival." E.Borza-

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

But the Greeks WERE IE and were speakers of Proto-Greek and brought the IndoEuropean language of Greek into the Greek peninsula. That's accepted fact. As Borza states "North-Western Greece provided a pool of IE speakers of Proto-Greek."

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Baloney. The Slav citizens of the Republic of Macedonia are Bulgarian speakers and their DNA is the closest match to Bulgarian DNA. Whilst modern Greek DNA is the same as Southern Italian DNA and Southern Italians are descendants of Ancient Greeks. However studies have shown that Albanians do have Greek DNA acquired from Greek founders. (See DNA staudies by Cavalli-Sforza et al, Tian et al, and Francalacci et al)

[@AlexandarVII]

Behold the wannabes. The don't have H of the old Hellenes.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Ancient Macedonians are of Greek stock and Proto-Greek speakers according to all scholars from Borza to Hammond. Slavs arrived in the Balkans (as Borza also states) centuries after the demise of ancient Macedonia. By that time the ancient Macedonians had already mixed and integrated with the rest of the Greek population.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

I'm not calling any DNA Bulgarian. I'm just quoting the latest research whose findings state that the DNA of the Bulgarian Slav population of the FYRMacedonia who refer to themselves as 'macedonians', is the same or closest match to the DNA of Bulgarians.

[@argeadian]

I am Macedonian, so please be Albanian, do not be Macedonian, you cant be both.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

@bobo87mk {Is there anything Hellenic about modern Greeks?} Yes, of course there is, and it's genetics that tell us so. All the latest genetic data on the modern Greeks show them to be genetically the same people as Southern Italians and Tuscans.It's already known that Southern Italians are the descendants of ancient Greeks, so the fact that Greeks are genetically the same as Southern Italians serves to prove that modern Greeks are also descendants of ancient Greeks.

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

I didn't quote anything. those are Borza's quotes. And they're quite clear. "The Macedonians originated from the same population pool as other Greek tribes" and "Macedonians were of Greek stock" To you, that means theyr're not the same. lol....ahhhh Bulgarian Slav logic.

[@raelko]

the ignorants have always laughed. Unfortunately time proved they were only ignorants. you are no better than those who believed the world was flat some 500 yrs ago, they too were a majority, in millions, people of beliefs and not of reason, only for the Enlightenment Revolution to show them they were wrong. Well guess what, you are on the wrong side mate, for only your beliefs support your theory and those beliefs cannot be proven, while the Albanian theory can and is. Cheers

[@Eyrynomos]

Kala anoikse kammia egkyklopaideia kai des kanena istoriko ntokumanter giati mou plassareis ton karagkouni gia marantona -OFFLINE-

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

@Koctac [Tian et al (2009)] "The closest population to Greeks are Italians and Tuscans, the low genetic distance between Greeks and Italians (the lowest in the fst table, -0.0001 fst ) once again that southern Italians are little more than Latin speaking Greeks." (And Southern Italians are descendants of ancient Greek colonists).

[@CassanderMakedon]

hhahaha Albos!

[@levesd3722]

hahahahaahah Bulgaros :D

[@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse]

Genetically there IS a straight line from ancient Greek to modern Greek. The fact that Greeks are genetically the same as Southern Italians who are descendants of Ancient Greeks proves it, The renowned geneticist Luca Cavalli -Sforza in 'Genes Languages and People' demonstrated that the ancient Greek genetic Legacy is clearly detectable in modern Greeks. Modern Greek language DOES have a direct line to ancient Greek. Just look at the similarites in the two versions of Greek.

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Actually that's the latest research by Dr. Patricia Balaresque et al of Leicester University who confirmed in 2011 that 80% of European male Y-DNA chromosome came from Anatolia and Mesopotamia 10,000 years ago. i.e the Fertile Crescent