The Alt-Right Playbook: Why Don't You Respond to Criticism?

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

Not bad for four trenchcoated eels.

[@jiralishu]

They switched to hoodies. Gah, didn't you even watch the video?

[@T3sl4]

Hoodied eels*

[@brenatevi]

That explains why they only make mediocre sushi. It's hard to make sushi with no hands.

[@lucykitsune4619]

Excuse you, they stopped wearing a trenchcoat, that's clearly four hoodies eels

[@blackshard641]

I'm sorry Ms Jackson

[@NRobbi42]

"This does not help your cause" -Guy who hates your cause

[@Subject91121]

This is what happened in the European Union due to uncontrollable mass immigration. Years later, it caused massive social issues and it forced the current establishment to actually respond and deal with the issue. In this case, the right was actually right. No pun intended. Also, take note that a left German party took a stance against mass immigration.

[@nd0136]

That one time when I saw a self-described "lifelong leftist" argue that standing in solidarity to trans people was detrimental to the LGBT cause (yes, they did include the T in their statement)

[@jaska-jalmarixvi5757]

Your silence will only incriminate you further

[@TerrorByte69420]

if you truly are as right as you claim to be. Prove it.

[@NRobbi42]

@@TerrorByte69420 You can't to someone who criticizes in bad faith.

[@austintayeshus1]

the immature psychology behind it all boils down to "if you're explaining, you're losing" and i can't imagine any explanation ever satisfying someone with that mindset.

[@rgemail]

Their ideology is literally dependent on the fact that they loudly misunderstand every important topic, and lots of unimportant ones too. They have a half dozen well worn techniques to avoid actual good faith engagement with an argument at any cost.

[@no_peace]

You cannot argue with people who show up in bad faith. Everything you do benefits them. It's not immature it's effective, people fall for it all day every day

[@Johncw87]

@@no_peace You can call it effective if you want, but that doesn't make it any less immature.

[@Phyrre56]

@@no_peace Right, we call it "bad faith" because it's a good tactic. Sure. Just because something works sometimes does not make it admirable. The debate club in the average high school would laugh at such tactics. They only work on uneducated audiences.

[@wim2445]

It's treating ideology as a magic trick or joke. Explaining it ruins it.

[@JamanWerSonst]

Why don't you respond to praise?

[@hoodiesticks]

Okay but fr, accepting compliments without deflecting does not come naturally to most people

[@timothymclean]

The atheist equivalent of Catholic guilt?

[@SpoopySquid]

​@@timothymcleanI believe that's called imposter syndrome

[@iamjustkiwi]

Because I'm insecure and uncomfortable with the idea I am better than my negative self image tyvm

[@tabula_rosa]

oh no, oh fuck my weakness

[@0852657luis]

The greatest bait a bad faith argument always starts with, is wanting to be corrected. Never engage with one once you notice how blatantly wrong it is

[@LostToaster]

It mystifies me how any living, breathing human’s life can be so miserable that they are able to find enjoyment in trying to waste people’s time.

[@loki2240]

​@@LostToaster- It can make them feel powerful, when they feel like they have no power in their real life.

[@PuzzlingGoal]

It truly is the liberal kryptonite, the pathological, almost self-abusive fantasy that everyone wants to be a better person, and is secretly begging you to guide them there; and the right has edged all their blades with it. Every time a progressive online falls for "just engage me in the forum of public discourse and I will kneel to your superior ideology" another fascist anglerfish has won its dinner for the day.

[@Reggie-zw8rm]

This is where you use mockery and wit. Ignoring them actually emboldens them as much as trying to debate them. If you ignore them it reinforces their view that the left is "scared" of them. These people can actually be easily bullied and embarrassed, they're thin skinned pseudointellectuals. If you shut them down and make them look like the childish pendants that they are then it makes them hesitant to do this again in the future. The left used to be good at this in the 90s and 2000s. Now we are a little too into respectability. We don't always have to be nice. You can be good as a person and still mock and quip at the right.

[@slenderminion2229]

These always feel like lose-lose, honestly. If you correct them, they get to waste your time while they dance around your counter-argument. If you ignore them, they'll continue spreading false information that potentially tricks someone who can't see through it into believing it's true.

[@Coolio_Ash]

"why don't you respond to criticism" and the criticism is just racism

[@knuckles543]

or any ism, really... CYOA of bigotry

[@101-q6t]

Friend enemy distinction.

[@winterbliss4459]

@@101-q6t hi nonce

[@MillVillage]

Or if you’re a sexual minority they call you a pedophile.

[@cosmicphoto05]

"You're a racist for calling me a racist!" -bad faith actors

[@garthmarenghi9040]

"Why don't you respond to criticism? Why don't you engage with me??" "I've known you for 5 seconds, none of which I've enjoyed. I'm not taking homework from you. "

[@kiwi_2_official]

all criticism is le bad

[@donaldbaird7849]

​@@kiwi_2_officialYeah you didn't watch the video

[@kiwi_2_official]

@@donaldbaird7849 i did tho

[@donaldbaird7849]

@@kiwi_2_official Keep going down the alt right rabbit hole, see how miserable that makes you eventually.

[@kiwi_2_official]

@@donaldbaird7849 i at the end, way off compass lol but not miserable...

[@ImTopin]

This gives me strong "Never Play Defense" parallels. Makes sense as to why the character from that video is here.

[@RaiderRich2001]

Continuity! In my lefty youtube series? In this economy?

[@EGadjo]

There is a *reason* they never play defense, yes. Because when you're in a bad faith argument, no good can come of it. The right just has an easier time at never play defense because their value system *values hypocrisy* and so they don't really care if they just leave your attack unaddressed and attack again. The left like, actually has strong moral compunctions against hypocrisy and lots of issues that are very important for them *to* defend (especially minority rights), so it's much easier to get them lured into playing defense when they should know better.

[@tomokolovecraft3792]

"What are we, millionaires?"​@@RaiderRich2001

[@toast_busters]

This reminds me of a TikTok video I saw recently where a conservative, very calmly, speaks to the camera and demands that liberals watching his video ask themselves "is your hatred of Trump worth losing friends and family?" It spurred this whole conversation in his comments from conservatives talking about how "they just want to be understood" at like their nicest, and then all the other vitriol at their worst. I find it insane that you can still be a Trump voter now almost 10 years into this who sits back and says, "I don't know what he's doing that's making people mad, I think they're just blinded by a mean thing he said once." Like complete blinders, unable to comprehend, willful ignorance. And the cognitive dissonance it must take to then say that everyone else is being hateful or out of line and that they should stop criticizing the right so that you can have your friends and family back? Wild. Absolutely wild to me.

[@Mrnotpib]

I know it doesn’t seem like it, but there are fewer of them than it seems. Please, even if you are blue in a red state, show up to the polls. I promise more twitter bots want him as president than people.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

Once again, we see the right's propensity for cry bullying

[@shuttlecrossing7084]

And in the end, the question should really be asked in reverse. It should be "is your willingness to support Trump in light of all the terrible things he's done worth losing YOUR friends and family?"

[@toast_busters]

@@shuttlecrossing7084 Exactly! But they can't see it that way. I'm sure you know people like that too, but I have some good friends who I just no longer speak politics with because they are so convinced any oppo on Trump is just some sort of symptom of liberals having TDS. They are just completely immune to criticisms of Trump at this point. The best you're going to get is that they will acknowledge it, but then lecture you about how both sides are equally bad and "Democrats have a lot to be criticized over too!"

[@MichaelMoore99]

is it worth it? Yes. It absolutely is.

[@ChevronTango]

I'm sorry Ms Jackson! Ooh... I am four eels! Never meant to make your daughter cry, I am several fish and not a guy.

[@SmarkAngel]

This is amazing. Well done

[@marigolden_mariposa]

​@@SmarkAngelit's at the end of the video 😅

[@nearby222]

Damn it you beat me to it

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

Where can I find a full version of this parody?

[@tomatobhutan7164]

this is one of those comments that makes me want a reaction higher in praise than a thumbs up

[@AsiniusNaso]

I liked AOC's response to this: "Just like catcalling, I don't owe a response to unsolicited requests from men with bad intentions."

[@albaniaalban]

The third space that is the internet AKA easy access to targeted sexual harassment with even fewer people to stand up to the harassers, wowee being a woman on the internet sure sounds great.

[@Jrpyify]

🔥🔥

[@spyrex9986]

Them: *proceeds to argue that catcalling and having bad intentions aren't, in fact, bad*

[@kiwi_2_official]

requests?

[@kiwi_2_official]

@@spyrex9986 no

[@sargonsblackgrandfather2072]

“Why won’t you respond to criticism?” “What’s the criticism?” (They spend hours typing out a long essay) The response: “lol” Just waste their time for fun and lols

[@wolfofthewest8019]

And then you can sit back and wonder why everyone thinks progressives are condescending, self-righteous and ignorant jackass who are incapable of defending their beliefs.

[@wasd____]

And then since it's your account and you have control of the comments, just delete their essay so no one else gets to read their bad-faith slop "arguments." Final salt in the wound. :)

[@silentgaming5748]

Hilarious to see this comment in a video accusing right wingers of acting in bad faith. Even more so given just how often left wingers accuse the right of doing this exact thing, provoking the left into lengthy well thought out responses that they fully intend to simply ignore so as to waste their time. I think there is a very real chance that if Trump is elected again, America will no longer have democratic elections. One of my only two friends is a trans lesbian. My brother is trans. I am a fairly standard progressive, and I think the right is lousy with bigotry of all types, and I also think that you, and a fuckload of the people in these comments are only on the right side by pure coincidence. You have exactly the same love for dishonesty and bad faith tactics, and as far as people like you are concerned, the morality of an act is defined by who it is done to, not the act itself. You essentially are looking for the chance to "hurt the right people". I loathe you entirely and I look forward to the day the Republican party collapses on itself so I don't have to be associated with you.

[@JonathanSicoli]

Oooooh, that's mean. I'm stealing that!

[@sargonsblackgrandfather2072]

@@wasd____ that’s a good one. Delete their comment then call them out of in for not responding 😂

[@castillogrande8926]

🎵Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime, so I watch Innuendo Studios on the company time!🎵

[@UShistorymatters]

This is Ryan, from IT, please stop and get to work! lol

[@blipboigilgamesh7865]

​@@UShistorymatters one sec I'll just have a quick bathroom break

[@google_is_annoying_me_lots3440]

@@UShistorymatters why don't you respond to criticism, Ryan?

[@pukasgrigv]

i get a penny, boss gets a buck, so i crank my hog in the company truck

[@trapadvisor]

I’m literally sitting on the job rn as I watch lmao

[@basedeltazero714]

Debate is a skill entirely seperate from 'being correct'. It can help, but you can absolutely be entirely in the right and get out-argued by someone who's just better at arguing... or more willing to be dishonest and act in bad faith. Which is before even getting into the fact responding eloquently to 'JUSTIFY YOUR EXISTENCE' for the ten thousandth time is simply exhausting. Conservatives are, as a rule, very eager and reasonably skilled at arguing in bad faith. They've had an awful lot of practice, and just because you aren't good at arguing doesn't actually mean your position is unfounded. Don't engage on the enemy's terms, it will only hurt you.

[@mordcore]

yeah! thanks! i'm not good at arguing. i am practicing the setting of boundaries instead :)

[@no_peace]

The thing i see over and over is that libs think a debate is an exchange of facts, and whoever does facts the best wins and looks good, and gets to be in charge or whatever. They cannot wrap their heads around facts not mattering. They think that if someone ignores the facts or is inconsistent in a debate it makes that person unintelligent. It doesn't. It makes them better at winning over susceptible people. There was never a point where they were trying to be factually correct because being factually correct is not what maintains their status or gets them power Like imagine me looking at the image of a guy on a wartime recruitment poster and saying "that's not factually correct" lol. WE KNOW. They didn't intend for it to be accurate, they're trying to manipulate people hello

[@no_peace]

The thing i see over and over is that moderates think a debate is an exchange of facts, and whoever does facts the best wins and looks good, and gets to be in charge or whatever. They cannot wrap their heads around facts not mattering. They think that if someone ignores the facts or is inconsistent in a debate it makes that person un intelligent. It doesn't. It makes them better at winning over people. There was never a point where they were trying to be factually correct because being factually correct is not what maintains or acquires power Like imagine me looking at the image of a guy on a Navy poster and saying "that's not factually correct" lol. WE KNOW. They didn't intend for it to be accurate, they're trying to "persuade" people hello

[@Phyrre56]

If someone is trying to argue with you publicly, they are appealing to the audience, not you. They are demanding you perform for the audience. If you offer an option like "I'm happy to discuss that with you more deeply in private" they will never accept. It's a good way to point out bad faith arguing. If you're only willing to have this argument publicly, then you only wanted the performance.

[@KityKatKiller]

​@@mordcore There are things radicalized people are actually really bad at when it comes to argueing. And you can (probably) be reasonably good at. The absolute first rule of discussion is imo: Ask yourself if the discussion is A) topical and B) worth getting into. Radical people tend to jump around a lot and slicing into as many topics as possible. If you don't let them do that, they can't outargue you.

[@shadylittlefox]

Pro tip: delete the comment so that they complain that you delete comments. Double engagement baybeeeeeee

[@willowtdog6449]

I kinda enjoy when the creator pins the comment so their audience can laugh at the fascist clown, and it’s great engagement bait. 😂 Plus, it prevents a truly uninformed, good-faith person from stumbling across the bad faith criticism and getting turned off before they watch enough of the content to see that it was a bad faith criticism. I hope that was coherent enough to follow. 😅

[@herpderpy9445]

@@willowtdog6449 The pin of shame is a beautiful thing.

[@FloridaGlowstickers]

Dannnng people still using protip? Good advice and throw back to simpler times

[@shadylittlefox]

@@FloridaGlowstickers I'm in my mid thirties lol I am the throwback

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

​@@shadylittlefoxbut can you still throw it back 😂?

[@btcbuster5556]

its blatantly obvious you are not four eels in a trenchcoat, you have to be at least five eels in a trenchcoat

[@sageoftruth]

Or... have we considered that he might be three baby seals in a trenchcoat?

[@nelsonth]

Not even moray eels?!

[@Crueltycretin]

Nice mothperson pfp. But is it in a trenchcoat?

[@anotherperson2730]

CHUD GODS WON LGBT LOST

[@rougenarwhal8378]

Ss13 player detected Moff alert

[@Birdsoumds]

How dare KZbin withhold this from me for a whole 15 seconds

[@gnomeddev]

15 MINUTES! god dammit

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

​@@gnomeddev it's a ref to an unskippable preroll ad, I think I'm not gonna pay google to skip them, but I will pay a VPN so I get the ads in Swiss German instead of any language I can understand

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

if someone made this comment to a creator that you didn't like, you'd think they were very odd, or unhealthily parasocial. but you like this creator, so you don't think about it.

[@electron6825]

New dumb meme just dropped. Already annoying 😂

[@gapsule2326]

Censorship at its pettiest

[@sor3999]

We had a saying in the mid 2000s that should make a comeback: Don't feed the trolls.

[@dennischiu272]

In my experience, "don't feed the trolls" is useless advice. Any competent troll keeps trolling until someone feeds them. You can't control what other people do. A more practical playbook I've found a lot of success with: control the conversation. State your position, and defend it ad nauseam. Every time they reply to you, restate your position with more detail. More statistics. More sources. Reply while ignoring everything they have to say. Do it until they get pissed off and abandon the conversation. Bonus points if you call them a chicken for doing so.

[@thomasedwards4515]

I also think this has become obsolete in the age of post-2014 social media. Originally, trolls were people who would go into message boards, forums, or online games, and cause nothing but grief and flaming on any discussion that they insert themselves into. Now, each and every discussion is a micro sized decentralized platform and rhetorical performance to be shared and use as a tool of influence and engagement, and is so because it makes the platforms that do this BILLIONS of dollars of revenue. Now, it doesn't matter if trolls aren't being fed. When they're hungry, the algorithm that monetizes outrage and reaction will find them food sources because there is clear profit incentive to do so.

[@aesop1451]

It seems like Innuendo keeps reuploading his old videos.

[@jaynem9896]

@@dennischiu272 F'real. Make them look the way they really are: emotionally stunted, compassionless, socially inept, and intellectually lazy. Kind people need to be relentless and go for the jugular. Big asterisk: provided you have the spoons.

[@wolfofthewest8019]

@@dennischiu272 You do realize that pissing someone off and causing them to abandon the conversation doesn't make you right, right? Because all that does is make you an asshat who argues in bad faith.

[@r31n0ut]

I've been seeing a lot of 'they keep saying Trump is undemocratic but they can never say what he did that's undemocratic' lately. It is so ridiculous that you just know that whatever you reply with, it won't be good enough to convince them.

[@keithsvenson568]

I always get told that whatever links i post are "biased" and not worth listening to.

[@ToniPust]

Same with J.K.Rowling. "She isn't a tr@nsph0be! List one tr@nsph0bic thing she said!" Don't talk to these people, ever. Period.

[@saturationstation1446]

which policy did democrats do that didnt INCREASE the harm happening to everyone who was not born a well off european loyalist? oh yeah. they are effectively the same party because they both destroy the lives of everyone who is not a well off european loyalist and continuously fund europes wealth conquests. even when it means stealing opium for them to turn into drugs with which to get as many americans addicted to as possible. then they will make it illegal to treat that addiction with anything but a drug made by the same people who caused the problem in the first place... european pharma companies.. yall cant even say a single sentence without it being loaded with hypocrisy..

[@r31n0ut]

@@keithsvenson568 it's either fake or taken out of context or biased or any number of other reasons why it doesn't count.

[@r31n0ut]

@@emusic4269 haha, good one.

[@DeusExMacarena99]

I'm a trans person whose social media pages routinely get stalked/brigaded by whichever rightoid group of the week finds my stuff and sends its followers after me. Speaking as someone who used to actually clap back, whether for debate reasons or petty reasons, it's still pretty much always better to just hit the block button. Many of them HAVE tried to hit me with the "what's the matter? You afraid to debate with differing opinions?" shtick, but they're never wanting a sincere good-faith discussion, they're wanting to be a bother. Same tactic that the likes of Ben Shapiro & Charlie Kirk use when they go on college campuses. Not to have actual debate, just to try to bait a reaction out of their targets so they have fodder for their weekly "conservative DESTROYS WOKE college kids with FACTS and LOGIC" slop

[@sammijunes]

This 10000%. They don't want a discussion, they want to point at you with their audience and have their laugh. Blocking them is the best way to take that away from them

[@baileybrute5486]

Lord no they don't want a fair or well moderate debate they, as you said. Just want something to show their friends and act superior. Block is best. You find a group which supports you

[@RowdyZeePAY]

Yeah, similar for me. I used to respond to people's questions and criticisms in KZbin videos by trans creators, and they never actually pay attention to your points and evidence, they just want to attack. And if you leave it be, they'll try to bait you back by claiming that you not responding is a concession to their argument (I had someone @ me 2 months after I decided not to respond, thanking me for "admitting I was wrong" lmao). Basically, trans people are cool and based, bigots are stupid and bad-faith (I'm not AT ALL biased here).

[@screetchycello]

Yeah, that's absolutely the best solution for almost everybody. I engage (with permission) on behalf of someone else if I'm trying to tank the chud's attention and drain the fun out of it for them.

[@NN-eh1fq]

There do exist people at the right of centre who love and support trans folks and that’s the hill they’d die on. I’m one of them. Best advice ever is not to generalise. And that applies equally to the left and the right. Stay strong and don’t let these idiots take away your happiness. Love!

[@Rot8erConeX]

This - phrased differently - is the one that lead to me and my siblings completely breaking off contact with our parents. On Black Friday of last year, my mom and my sister had a huge argument that was originally about "socialized medicine" (a topic that was kinda personal to me because mom had used me as an example, comparing me to Alfie Evans in an attempt to justify why socialized medicine was bad, with a complete misrepresentation of Alfie's parents' situation and how it related to the UK's medical system - since they were failed not by medicine but by immigration policies) but very quickly became about abortion. Over the course of this argument, Mom claimed: - because I was on Medicaid and Social Security, I was not allowed to have an opinion on socialized medicine. - my sister, who teaches public health, was unwittingly participating in the brainwashing of college students (despite being barely out of college herself) - that abortion was merely a way to get out of the "consequences" of having sex. - that she actually WOULD prefer my sister die if it would save a hypothetical fetus in her womb (this is something so heinous that my sister asked for, and got, direct confirmation that this is indeed what mom meant by her statement). After that last one, my sister decided to storm out of the house, and then Dad decided to physically hold her by the shoulders to ask her to "please just listen to your mother". My sister, righteously angry, did stay for a few minutes before shrugging him off her and then returning to storming out. In the aftermath, mom kept repeating that my sister *"didn't let [her] have a different opinion."* And it was Mom's complete lack of willingness to consider my sister's viewpoints, that caused the rest of us siblings to leave. My parents are currently attempting to extend olive branches (Dad apologized for holding my sister in place with a "I apologize for my actions, because I realize in retrospect how bad they were, but I do not apologize for my intentions" kind of apology), but I personally believe that even if they are sincere, it's probably best for everyone's mental health if we don't take the olive branch until after November, considering what started this in the first place.

[@jamesphillips2285]

No hate like Christian love.

[@lunaitc]

I would suggest not taking it until November 2064 personally.

[@ngotemna8875]

​@@lunaitc Still too early

[@morgasborga4143]

@@ngotemna8875 For real, like I don't see how her wanting your sister to die over a fetus will "go away" after November 2024. At best, she'll just not say it. But like your mom needs a shift in perspective.

[@markersandtea]

This is the first time I've heard that Alfie Evans was failed by immigration policies, could you give more details on it? Because afaik he wasn't transferred to Rome due to both the risk of him suffering seizures during/because of the flight and the medical view that continuing treatment would just be pushing back the inevitable while potentially causing him to suffer. (Also I take it that your mother is unaware that they wanted to transfer him to Italy who also have "socialized" medicine based on the UK's beveridge model lol)

[@banisan2035]

I've also found that one of the best ways to respond to a person who is continually on the attack - constantly asking you for justification - is to just... ask questions in return. Let them explain why what they say is so important to them. Let them explain why they are so upset and what facts they base it on. Their attack depends on you spending all the energy on justification. Because in those people's eyes, it will make them feel strong and make you look weak. Bc why would you be defending yourself so fiercely if you weren't just desperately making excuses?

[@-tera-3345]

"What theoretical level of evidence would you actually accept as convincing, or are you willing to admit that you'll never even consider anything showing the other side is right?"

[@saturationstation1446]

fact - eurocentric culture has never benefitted anyone but well off european loyalists. because those are the only people it allows net benefit to happen to. everyone else is expected to produce hundreds of millions of times more value than they consume but european loyalists are allowed to consume infinite amounts of more value than they produce.... a mathematical and biological net loss to everyone who is not a well off european loyalist. and those who seek to perpetuate it are either too ashamed to admit or are oddly proud of the amount of innocent human life they are willing to torture to death for the entertainment and egos of rich european loyalists.unfortunately, those this culture has rewarded are already verified as having the capacity to excuse infinite amounts of harm. as long as its not happening to themselves or making them lose access to any of the luxuries they are currently addicted to.

[@jeanivanjohnson]

who answers questions with questions? isn't it rude?

[@TheFarSideOfNj]

@@-tera-3345yep! I have used that, usually the attacker follows by more nonsensical attacks. Like “well you never see the other side” etc. It’s such an incredible waste. I’m fairly certain the only way to do it is to de-platform them. Here is where have had success. Say, for lack of a better argument you are 4 eels in a trench coat, and you have a great position. When responding I respond with “for those in the audience who have seen this comment, let me address it to you”. Bypass the person, because remember they just want others to join in. (Past episode) and by preventing that, at least for me, they kinda of stop,

[@iinc6290]

And then youve platformed somebody who made a bunch of short quippy and wrong statements, while you didn't respond, and then everybody will think their psychotic fash opinions are worth lising to because they will only see that you didn't ever thoroughly debunk their claims. Claims that, had you debunked, they would pile more on in a neverending stream of bullshit and lies. When people say this, if you see it fit to respond at all, you either say: "i have responded. It's out there, go find it. You aren't entitled to my time spent endlessly bickering with you until you feel satisfied with my answer when i have already spoken on the topic." Or if you havent responded, nondescriptly and generally respond to the many people asking for criticism with something like the following: "Hey, I have been getting a lot of people asking me about (x topic) and here is my only and final response." Either way, NEVER engage somebody individually unless using them to speak to the crowd, never platform them or their criticism verbatim, never show that if you just accuse people over and over that you then become entitled to that persons platform.

[@shamanftw4921]

My favorite thing about your trolls is how they basically demonstrate how correct you are about them and their predictable behaviors every time they show up here.

[@airisakura1119]

Does that help?

[@thereisbloodonmynutsack]

Nooo these fucking Nazis typed "braaaap" in my wholesome alt-right debunking video!!!

[@TranshumanMarissa]

@@airisakura1119 ye.

[@johnmoussiaux7669]

They really can't help themselves

[@jeffreychandler8418]

I mean, this is just rhetoric. People fall into the same patterns to defend and platform their beliefs. edit: also like, if you watch Ian's interactions with the right, he falls into the same traps. Albeit, not as aggressively, but this stuff is common. If anything the rhetoric that these are the *playbook* of the alt-right is in of itself a rhetorical trick.

[@aldenheterodyne2833]

Very similar to the whole "[trans people] can't define what a woman is!" I can. And have. Repeatedly and at length. It's just that my definition is never, _ever_ good enough for them. No matter what sources I site or how well thought out my argument is. And then when I ask them to give me their definition and then poke holes in it, it always seems to come down to "nuh uh!" for them. And it's difficult to ignore them because, being a trans person, these are the same folks who want laws that will kill me or people like me. (Technically it'll only torture us until we can't endure it anymore and su¡cide, but it's functionally the same thing)

[@ethanstump]

As a disabled guy, I can relate. Best I can say is focus your attention on things that actually move the needle, like passing legislation, holding fundraisers, supporting the community and doing what you need to do to change the general environment. And if they defund your programs and repeal legislation...... They aren't listening to the rules so it's pointless to continue at that point. At that point your options are moving if you can, sabotaging them quietly if you can't, and if all else fails, trying to start a rebellion.

[@klontjespap]

sorry, you don't get to make up things like imaginary laws that want to kill you and hide behind false victimhood and not expect scrutiny doesn't happen in the west. you're making extreme accusative claims without anything to back it up perhaps you should be a bit more at length about that, because noone is buying that you're using it as a shield so hard and it's easy to see for people you're full of it, because the claims you're making are ridiculous. tell me about another faux t genocide, it's a lie, and people don't like liars, it's that simple if you lie to people's faces with thigns so preposterous everyone can see you for being a bullshitter, expect be treated with disdain. be intellectually honest for once, or in terminology the rad left understands "be better">

[@bibibnuuy]

no one can define what a women is, the only difference is that conservatives don't acknowledge that. they wanna pretend there's an objective, tangible definition to "woman" but there isn't.

[@Leftistattheparty]

Just got back to my annual replay of the Playbook. I didn't expect new ones. Truly we are blessed.

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

^does not realise they are engaging with media in an unhealthy way.

[@adamhanson5110]

Is rewatching media really that unhealthy? Just once a year? If that is the case, holiday music come December must be terrible for people

[@macslash5833]

​@@TheEvilCheesecakei think replaying videos is fine actually, you heard of like, revising? I mean ofc this isnt a school this is political commentary and analysis but rewatching analysis to make sure you understand it and to remind yourself of how it works is... fine? I dont see how this is unhealthy at all its fascinating and i myself like to rewatch this stuff as opposed to a lot of stuff i dont rewatch because i got the point fully and maybe its not as interesting to me I get your point but thatd really only apply if it was like every week or smth definitely not annually

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

@@macslash5833 using this series as "comfort watching" is the sign that a person is not using it in a healthy way.

[@neoqwerty]

@@TheEvilCheesecake Actually that's how you SHOULD engage with media-- minus the binging, like please pause between episodes to digest them, even if they're short-- because revisiting something yearly CAN actually yield more and more: each year you gain new analytical tools and you can engage from more angles and peel more layers back. The more tools in your analysis toolbox, the more you can not only analyze and break something down, but verify if a previously-obtained tool (like the Playbook) holds up or gets weaker or you can check if you were using it correctly or misrecalled something. TL:DR; marathoning 4 days of content nonstop bad, but revisiting content yearly good.

[@holotori_senior_admin_teno]

I mean, honestly, just see the old "Never Play Defense" one; These people don't want to finish a discussion or accept a response. They want to continually attack and question and neg until you give up. No argument or answer will ever be enough unless that answer is an unequivocal "You are right and I was wrong". They don't WANT you to have an answer for their criticism... so they just won't let you.

[@no_peace]

All these things apply so well in regular life too. Especially if you're part of a group that gets blamed for everything. If anyone says anything to me i just say "oh" and smirk, at most. Learning not to take people seriously is the best thing I've ever done

[@wolfofthewest8019]

The cope is so strong.

[@joanb.]

I'm juat going to say, dried milk powder is a super handy staple I keep in my pantry. And the half-price bread rack at my old local store before I moved, I ate so much bread from that store!

[@itcouldbelupus2842]

Thank you for saying this

[@joanb.]

@@itcouldbelupus2842 lol somehow I commented on the wrong video but my advice is still sound 😄

[@itcouldbelupus2842]

@@joanb. I agree 😎

[@user-to9ge8ii9n]

Wholesome internet interaction. ❤

[@JonathanSicoli]

Louder for the folks in the back!!

[@rainpooper7088]

I feel like a lot of people falling for this are teenagers who fancy themselves critical thinkers. I used to fall for the whole "They should just accept criticism, criticism is a good thing, that's how you improve" when I was a teenage viewer too, completely missing the fact that bad faith "criticism" that just serves to put down the other person in front of a salivating audience for entertainment is completely worthless when it comes to actual improvement and just drowns out the people who genuinely want to help. The thing that made me realize I wasn't seeing the whole picture wasn't even anything political, it was petty asshole commentary channels overdoing their pettiness (e.g. specifically calling people with history of anorexia fat for literally no reason) and then acting all smug and taking credit for any and all improvements these people made in spite (and certainly not because) of the massive hate wave they just unleashed on them.

[@kiwi_2_official]

is the bad faith criticism the only criticism?

[@raak4070]

​@@kiwi_2_official who said that?

[@101-q6t]

Ok Boomer

[@ianflannery8672]

​@@kiwi_2_officialOoh

[@wolfofthewest8019]

@@kiwi_2_official That does seem to be what these idiots believe. They all operate under the assumption that no one could possibly criticize them in good faith. It's why they are all stupid, useless clowns and this entire comment section is just wall to wall anti-intellectualism and idiocy. I haven't read a comment sections that made me hate the left so strongly in a while. All of these people are useless buckets of piss. Just garbage people, absolute subhumanoid loser trash.

[@PingMe23]

There really comes a point where you just tell people to "f--k off".

[@anotherperson2730]

Imagine being so bad at debating you have to make a video trying to justify why you don't respond to debunks

[@GolemCC]

@@anotherperson2730 found one

[@rimut230]

@@anotherperson2730 touch grass. nobody cares about this shit but you

[@cass7448]

@@anotherperson2730 """debunks"""

[@TwenOalley]

@@anotherperson2730the genius is here everyone 😂

[@RichardZERO]

Conspiracy Theorists come to mind... You fact-check them with peer reviewed science, and they dig their heels in even further.

[@101-q6t]

Mossad killed Floyd and Biden used Microsoft’s new Fentanyl reactor to revive him as George Droyd. Wake Up Kuffar.

[@quinnholleman1547]

Absence of evidence is evidence of a cover-up

[@johnroche]

@@quinnholleman1547 To conspiracy theorists, everything is evidence of the conspiracy, *especially* anything that explicitly debunks the theory.

[@ileutur6863]

The thing about conspiracy theorists is that they don't trust anyone... except for the guy ok youtube rambling in his truck. Any evidence presented to them will be interpreted as an appeal to an authority they deem untrustworthy.

[@ghasterra8950]

@@quinnholleman1547 sometimes, sure, but when the conspiracy clashes with hundreds of years of easily verifiable evidence its easy not to take them seriously

[@8BitBex]

In short, these people aren't interested in progressing the debate, they just want to trip you up. Responding to people validates their opinion to an extent too.

[@airisakura1119]

Then they cut parts of it and use it against you after you explained everthing a few times simpler and simpler because they cant (dont want to) unterstand you. :D

[@anotherperson2730]

Just think you're obssesed o algo

[@cocainefortoothaches3882]

It really is the "gotcha journalism" version of debate

[@EngiGODS358]

More schizo-ramble

[@DavidPatMathis81]

Yeah, I’ve come to the realization that presenting good arguments is a fools errand And childish mockery is a much more appropriate response.

[@tacoman422]

"Why don't you make a video essay responding to my video essay responding to your video essay?" *Said critical video "essay" is a nine-hour video in response to a two-hour video, most of it being aimless rambling or hyperbole.*

[@apocalyptikkat1001]

MauLer

[@TerrorByte69420]

if it truly is "aimless rambling or hyperbole" it should be easy to disprove, no?

[@tacoman422]

@@TerrorByte69420 So you didn't actually watch this video.

[@apocalyptikkat1001]

@@TerrorByte69420 No, precisely BECAUSE it is aimless rambling. There is no cohesive argumentation or structure to argue against. At best, you will find instances of material to dissect. But why would you want to do that if it meant sitting through what is, ostensibly, several hours worth of superfluous, inchoate writing that only MIGHT have something of value to engage with?

[@TerrorByte69420]

@@tacoman422 if it's so wrong, you should be able to disprove it really quickly. No one is asking for a long video essay. Your avoidance seems to signal that you might be afraid of being proven wrong.

[@theconjugate5204]

Hey, it’s nice to actually see the face that emits this voice. Love your stuff! As an ER nurse during COVID, having been confronted by countless conspiracy theorists in the most infuriatingly ironic context and setting, I got (and still occasionally get) a lot of mileage out of “Sir, I don’t owe you this debate.” Or “Sir, I am under no professional obligation to argue with you.”

[@M0VIE]

"Why haven't you told your parents that you're gay" type argument.

[@Direwolf1771]

“When did you stop beating your spouse?” -type arguments.

[@MCArt25]

And in both cases, "I don't want to" is a valid response.

[@spyrex9986]

"Wow, you're lying to them. You owe them that information, because they expected a normal child and they got a gay one, which is lesser. The least you could do is apologize to them, because it is your fault that you were born gay. If I was gay, which I am not because I am normal, I would tell them how ashamed I am for disappointing their unreasonable expectation, thus proving myself unworthy of their conditionably unconditional love. :) "

[@bbyrdie]

Too bad my "I already did" wouldn't necessarily apply here lmao

[@SirBoggins]

Yup

[@steelplatedheart]

I've seen people saying "why aren't you responding to criticism" in a thread that directly has addressed their criticism so many times

[@smrndalodz7182]

It's sort of how many debunked arguments about any number of things keep popping up, no matter how many times they're debunked. The people bringing them up are either not arguing in good faith, or haven't done even basic research.

[@VinceWhitacre]

"I don't talk to children on the internet" is also an acceptable answer.

[@praetorfenix69]

Legitimately this is the correct response. They're not trying to engage in good-faith debate, they are trying to make you look weak and stupid. The only response that works is to make THEM look weak and stupid. Mock them, make fun of them, condescend to them. You'll know it's working because they get *big* mad when you do it

[@Nai-qk4vp]

Yeah no. Ageism isn't acceptable. A)Children aren't stupid. Your common sense view of how "ObViOus" it seems is irrelevant. You OWE it to treat them as intelligent human beings. Pseudo-progressivism is despicable. B)You've already taken the bait. Just don't respond. Simple as.

[@Eagledude131]

​@@Nai-qk4vp what if I accept that children are likely smarter than me, but I simply find speaking to children to unenjoyable more often than it's not?

[@ChristianCTaken]

@@Nai-qk4vp Yeah but they're not actual children, they just get really mad about the comparison due to their own biases

[@sphealingit222]

may i suggest the Katsuhiro Harada special of "DON'T ASK ME FOR SHIT"

[@SapkaliAkif]

People surviving on rhetorical tricks in intellectual discussions are the bane of my existence dude. Even the examples you gave pissed me off because I talked to this kind of MFer many times.

[@nathansimons9881]

There's a reason "sophist" became an epithet in ancient Greece. Abusing rhetoric for soulless ends is a kind of evil.

[@akinyiomer4589]

​@@nathansimons9881 Then we need to bring that term back into mainstream 21st century lexicon because it is EXHAUSTING that to an uninformed observer, the true manipulator in the debate comes off looking calm, rational, confident and moderate. While you're there trying to temper your rage and frustration - which comes from a real place but it makes you "look crazy" - or blocking/non-responding which comes off as either conceding the point or coming off aloof.

[@MichaelTheRead]

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.”

[@86fifty]

Hah, the ending bit to that quote I remember hearing was, "If the law and the facts are against you, assassinate the character of the witness." That might have been an actual lawyer that came up with that one tho

[@mrkiky]

If the law and facts are against you, claim victimhood and cry.

[@LeBonkJordan]

argue that the facts and/or the law are different than they actually are argue that POWERFUL FORCES (by which you already know what they mean) are secretly plotting to make the law and/or the facts some batshit lovecraftian nonsense

[@briennerose2606]

it's the problem I always have with discourse on the Internet. everyone wants to be smarter than the creator, because they put the creator up on a pedestal (while simultaneously arguing that the creators built and occupied that pedestal all themselves) and by being superior to them, even just for one, glorious, gotcha moment, they gain some level of validity in the grand scheme of things. it's why even *responding* is usually a bad idea...

[@r1b3y38]

The last 8 years of politics has happened largely because we decided to platform bad actors on their terms. It gave them a voice and community they had never had before.

[@EGadjo]

Yep. Stuff that wouldn't have even gotten a debate in, say, 2012 was debated like it was an idea that merited debate at all. Used to be finding out your opponent admitted to being a nazi was pretty much a slam dunk, campaign over, may as well go move into your new office now. Really I blame headline news (not even just fox, all headline news.) They want more and more outrageous things to report and keep eyes glued to those screens, so... why not interview an avowed neo-nazi and in doing so normalize his genocidal ideas? Well, we're living in why not.

[@bananaquiet]

It's systemic. The algorithm prefers this way because of engagement. Capitalism without check!

[@kaiserruhsam]

@@EGadjo it's older than that, the climate change "debate", the stem cell "debate", etc

[@WarFoxThunder]

IKR

[@damianjblack]

That and the Dominionists have been systematically overtaking the Republicans since about 1983.

[@cassius_scrungoman]

this is extremely reassuring as a (obviously) left leaning content creator, thank you

[@F40PH-2CAT]

If you needed this video for reassurance, your core beliefs are the problem. You should be able to handle these things yourself as a critical thinker.

[@RawrX32009]

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[@stephencody6088]

It's just another version of Brandolini's law. It takes a magnitude more of energy to clean up BS than it takes to spread it. My best answer is "Your criticism isn't valid. Prove to me why I should answer it";they hate that.

[@deanaarmstrong3976]

I tend to let my inner snark out. "That's so sweet, don't you just feel special now."

[@sor3999]

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled" - not Mark Twain

[@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933]

Well, different people have differing criteria for "validity" so that's not really a good answer. Some good response is needed, otherwise it's just avoidance

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933 and? I am aboiding it because it takes to much energy try being a chef at a restaurant you can’t and shouldn’t cater to the whims of morons

[@mrkiky]

Brandolini's law fails to take into account one important aspect. It may be harder to debunk BS than to create it, but it is 100 times harder to debunk an established truth with BS. So in a multitude of uncensored discussions, BS might have an easy start, but the truth wins in the long run. Censorship is not the way to the truth. Free discussions are. It's perfectly fine if you don't feel like or don't have the time to respond to criticism, but if you want to convince people of your point of view, you should be ready to do it as often as possible.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Exactly as Innuendo as observed here, usually, when I do address the criticism in question, the response I get is along the lines of "NOOOOO, NOT THAAAAAT WAY!" They want me to reply in the way they're expecting and wanting, and consider my response lacking when I "fail" to do that.

[@bumfricker2487]

see what you need to do is address the criticism while also embarrassing yourself

[@knuckles543]

yep pre-programmed to respond, trip up and cry foul when you repsond around their little ''trap'' it's not about winning an argument, it's about humiliating their enemy in public kids grow out of this when they are 12

[@chernobyl169]

I have never met a "moderate" that wasn't arguing in bad faith. That's a bad faith argument and I can break it down independently: 1) It's not a criticism and doesn't address any points 2) It's baiting a counterpoint to a criticism that was never made 3) Responding to it would not be responding to criticism Therefore it is not worthy of a response.

[@Vohlfied]

A "moderate" is a conservative who has realized admitting that won't help them get laid.

[@milii113]

​@@Vohlfied The majority of "moderates" I've met cannot name a single left leaning idea they hold, it's just something like they don't believe that queer people should be killed, just shoved back into the closet

[@cbpd89]

@Vohlfied in a conservative community, "moderate" can also be code for "I'm a fairly liberal person, but I am pretty sure I'm the only liberal in the room and I'd prefer not to get into it."

[@EthanKristopherHartley]

A moderate or Centrist is also completely different outside the US. For example, here in the UK even our Right Wing and Far Right parties at least pay lip service to our National Health Service. So supporting universal healthcare that's free at the point of delivery is a pretty Centrist point. A similar situation around women's reproductive health care. It's only really the party that doesn't believe in evolution and a handful of serious regressives who disagree with it. Then there's also the different types. For example, I'm politically on the Centre-Left. For social/individual rights I've very much on the left. As long as no one is being harmed do/be what/who you are. But fiscally I'm firmly in the centre. The Left generally believes in social ownership of some to all business. I don't. I *do* however believe in strong regulation and oversight. So effectively regulated Capitalism. I also don't care about people being born into wealth, or the number of millionaires/billionaires there are. But again, they should be tightly regulated. No-one should pay a lower equivalent tax rate as the poorest in society. If anyone is, then that group's taxes should be raised to bring them up to the actual equivalent. Finally taxes should be payable on any form of income if the threshold is reached. Don't get a salary, but get stocks instead? The stocks are taxed as income. Take out a loan that's underwritten and repaid by the company? That's income. And so on. I know this is a super long post, but I get very frustrated when I see all Centrists accused of being the bad actors that a handful of Right Wingers trying to nudge the Overton window are. I'm pretty sure that you can spot the difference between the two, so please - feel free to call them out as rabid right wing zealots. (It's what I do, and also with the weird super-socialists or Captain Communists on the left.) I hope this is helpful, and could even be called constructive criticism. 😉 (Don't worry though, I don't expect or demand a reply. I just like to be sure that the other side of the argument is available.) Sending good vibes and a banana 🍌 to anyone with the patience and stamina to read it.

[@dvillines26]

Moderates don't usually identify themselves as moderate. More often than not, that's a label applied to them by others as an explanation for their apparent views on things. but it's generally not a useful word, any more than 'centrist'. Though centrist almost always means 'billionaires should get everything they want, and corporations too'. Self-identified 'moderates' are either lying, or just someone who very specifically hates people that are passionate about things. or want to change the status quo. real moderates don't pick stupid fights on the internet because they're generally not passionate or knowledgeable enough about the issues to do so. They're moderate because it either doesn't affect them, or they can see both sides of the argument. ergo, unless they're doing a funny devil's advocate thing, which is unlikely, they wouldn't be in the KZbin comments saying DEBATE ME SIR.

[@hartthorn]

Just had this little thought experiment in my head. Comparing "Why don't you take criticism" with "Why don't you tip appropriately?". Like, from the get go, most people would quickly see that the second statement is overly broad and, especially to a stranger, wildly unknowable to the questioner. Maybe they have some specific anecdote (with evidence!) of one time you didn't tip someone. But that still wouldn't qualify as a trend to make a broad statement. Meanwhile, you producing a receipt that shows a proper tip would be waved off for the same reasons. But at the same time, loudly proclaiming every time you tipped someone would be utterly ridiculous and also just annoying for EVERYONE involved. Short of a person who loudly champions not tipping, the accusation is frivolous and accusatory in a way that is unanswerable.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

The appropriate response to "why don't you tip" is "your wage is your boss' responsibility, not mine, join a union."

[@susugam3004]

@@jeffersonclippership2588 no, the system is the way the system is... not tipping makes you a legitimate asshole and you're screwing over a worker trying to survive. don't go to places that have tipping if you can't afford it. it is not the time to stand on a soapbox about a bad system. that's just being a piece of shit. you can be against the tipping system without personally fucking over anybody.

[@hartthorn]

@@jeffersonclippership2588 No. That's shitty. Not tipping and saying that's on them is just you joining in on the labor exploitation explicitly.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@hartthorn And you being guilted by capitalists into paying their employee's wages does the same. People in Europe got better labor protections and wages by standing up for themselves.

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

Most states specify that you have to pay your waitstaff the difference if they don't reach minimum wage in tips, so withholding tips doesn't actually hurt servers.

[@stonykark]

“I don’t give a shit if you disagree with me” is a pretty concise response imo

[@Rubberman202]

I really hate the whole "why don't you respond to criticism?", especially if they don't bother specifying what criticism the person asking the question is talking about. It's like you need to address every single criticism thrown you're way, no matter how valid or invalid it is, or else you look bad. It also feels somewhat disingenuous, like if there's one criticism not addressed, then it's used against them, typically as a means to discredit them and disregard what they say. That's not to say that all criticism against you and how you handle things should be ignored or disregarded, it's important and healthy to be self-reflective and at least somewhat critical of yourself, but once again, it feels like an otherwise neutral thing has been weaponized by bad-faith actors.

[@kiwi_2_official]

is this why dont you respond to criticism in the room with us right now at least u think disregarding all criticism is bad, most people in this comment section seem to ignore the idea that maybe real criticism exists

[@TheGallantDrake]

​@kiwi_2_official idk man, sounds to me like you don't know the difference between good faith arguments and bad faith arguments.

[@raak4070]

​ @kiwi_2_official funny i havnt seen one example of that, yet ive seen you make that claim at least 4 times. The irony of your "is the x in the room with us right now?" Quip you keep reposting is perfect.

[@_bibi_s]

being vague is a double trap, because at the same time if you ask "which one" oh boy, you've fucked yourself

[@winterbliss4459]

@@raak4070 it’s a troll. ignore it and move on

[@oliviax727]

b u t d o y o u c o n d e m n h a m a s ? ? ?

[@UShistorymatters]

"Okay hillbilly from North Carolina, she answered your question within the first sentence!" Sorry, that was me yelling at the TV.

[@snowmonster42]

I thought he was from Alabama?

[@j.g.dangerfield3999]

Louisiana ​@@snowmonster42

[@jeanivanjohnson]

do you?

[@Cybercerialdestroyer]

@@jeanivanjohnson no because I will never condone a freedom fighter group Especially when the people asking me if I do support much worse organizations

[@lostbutfreesoul]

I have started a few comments with: I doubt you are genuine in your desire for discourse, but to humour the readers of this thread.... The original poster might not care about real debate, but some of the lurkers could take my arguments and spread them further. You just have to begin by informing everyone that the probability of the question being genuine is very low. This also reminds those reading to always be aware of the 'meta-game' at play, because a lot of people out there are playing games....

[@user-to9ge8ii9n]

Yes, this is a tactic I love: "I assume you're misleading on purpose. For everyone else, actually..."

[@86fifty]

Oooh, this is a really good point - I will definitely take this and use it myself! Excellent distillation.

[@TalkingVidya]

Yes! Thanks you! You have no idea how many times people like this come to my videos, or make video responses with "critisism" that 9 out 10 times is adressed in the video they are responding to. Also, I think that the internet forgets that no one needs to respond to unsolicited criticism. Like, if you ask a friend to give you feedback on something you wrote, that's criticism you are looking for. If some stranger does the same without me asking them, I Will ignore them.

[@Vohlfied]

A lot of the comments in ARPB videos are the reactionary right going "Oh yeah? Well I'm the conservative from this video and I am about to prove the video is accurate!"

[@ananas_anna]

Your videos are what got me thinking about my own conservative beliefs 6 years ago. Now I’m a card-holding radical antifa member and a trans gender.

[@sayeshi1]

Based, we love a good redemption arc 😊

[@DuckTheFinn]

Based

[@ngotemna8875]

It's purely anecdotal, but the amounts of times i see "I was a conservative once, but now i'm a lefty......and trans" is kinda funny. Definitely glad to have on the light side of the force, though

[@User-d6g4s]

lmao dont 41%

[@ananas_anna]

@@User-d6g4s don’t 41% of trans people attempt sewer slide? Yep. I was one of those, my attempt was cuz my parents didn’t love me anymore.

[@ThatDangDad]

Yeah, there was a time where I felt a lot of pressure to Argue My Case for hostile critics in the comments and then I started to realize they didn't want the truth, they wanted the fight. Now I toss off a dismissive reply to get them off my "recent comments" list, mute them, and let them argue with themselves in the shadow zone. Life is too short to let goobers waste your time.

[@shoulda1724]

yeah

[@polyanima]

"why don't you respond to [my] critism [on my terms]?" "because life is too short to let goobers waste my time" excellent form response, 5 stars, would use this myself

[@86fifty]

Oh it's you! I love your work! Makes total sense you'd be watchin this guy :)

[@videogameplayer100]

"They didn't want the truth", "mute them". Oooorrrr, maybe you could be wrong about something and don't want to accept it yourself? This can go both ways. Anybody can claim this. Not all criticism or disagreement is harassment or even wrong. This is the big problem with the video. It tells everyone to adopt a cult like mentality of all criticism is bad and you're always right. Everyone should have their ideas challenged and they should be willing to learn. It doesn't mean they're always wrong but since when is someone always right? If everyone had the mentality this video promotes, no one would ever believe in something true unless it happened to be the very first thing they believed. Because they would shut out all arguments to the contrary and write off the people correcting them as evil.

[@small_dropin_the_big_ocean995]

​​​​​@@videogameplayer100 While I agree with what you're saying about "keeping an open mind to be able to introspect and criticize" but in this situation, "hostile" is the keyword here. Those who wants to genuinely participate in a debate or discussion do not act like another person is some sort of an idiot or bad person, doesn't mock/insult or put labels on them before the actual discussion starts. They try to address all the points if they could and present their argument properly. Tbh, it's very easy to read through them. They always have short responses, leave multiple comments and try to copy your sentence structure and throw at you (repeating similar rhetoric that echoes in those alt-right communities is also a sign).

[@JF-um3wz]

“Why don’t you respond to criticism” is a classic trap question. I remember something simpler, but the same principle, from a Diary of a Wimpy Kid book. “Are you ashamed that you pooped your pants today?” It specifically said you could only answer “yes” or “no”, but it’s an intentionally leading question in general. It’s meant to imply something that refuting can’t really help, and no answer you can give is meant to be one where you look good, at least in the malicious eyes of the asker, who’ll cite your answer in its worst interpretation to discredit you.

[@itcouldbelupus2842]

This is an excellent example to draw attention between the parallel between alt right bad faith actors and children who are bullies asking questions in the exact same way because they are both emotionally in the same place. Being on the alt right means having the emotional maturity and intelligence of a child and being obsessed with cruelty, the perfect identity for bullies who never want to grow up.

[@EnbyFranziskaNagel]

Have you stopped plotting treason?

[@damianjblack]

​@EnbyFranziskaNagel it's not treason when I was unlawfully deposed from my position as Emperor of the Galaxy and only intend on retaking my rightful throne! BY FORCE! 😂

[@peggedyourdad9560]

I love absurdity and trolling these types so I would purposely answer yes and start agreeing with all the worst interpretations to see how absurd they are willing to go.

[@JF-um3wz]

@@peggedyourdad9560 Be careful, agreeing with them can be taken out of context, even if they do go to absurd lengths. Not to mention if they pick up on that they can take advantage.

[@BradyRamaker]

"Who are you again?" Is a great response to this because it puts them on the backfoot. It asks for credentials (a rando commentor wont have em), it highlights their entitlement and rudeness since theyre just some nobody, and it diminishes their clout bc again, theyre just some nobody trying to talk from a position of power they dont have. It also paints you as a person who was interrupted from your schedule. YOU'RE the busy person with actual business, THEYRE the nobody shouting from the comments. If someone just came up to up or called your phone and said "why dont you respond to criticism" you would ask who tf they were. Works for these kinda comments.

[@blick7445]

You're claiming that you need authority in order to make a claim, Am i not allowed to say there wasn't any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq even though i am not apart of the military or ever been to Iraq?

[@VitaeLibra]

​@@blick7445Difference is you're making an actual argument. There's substance to debate with. You might actually want to learn more. Someone doing what the example in this video doesn't But there's another part... you're not entitled to a reply. Authority on the subject lends you credibility and makes you someone important enough to actually bother responding to. So while everyone is valid, not everyone is equally valid. If the person you're talking to has no way to verify whether you're just some rando who thinks they figured out something nobody else did despite knowing nothing about the subject, you're not entitled to a reply You're doing that thing where every single person on the right thought/thinks their opinion is just as valid as Dr. Anthony Fauci. Even if one of them did actually have a point or just a genuine concern, they are not educated enough to deal with a freaking pandemic

[@hi-i-am-atan]

@@blick7445 i'm always a bit mystified by these sorts of misinterpretations that make the misinterpretor sounds like they live a _comically_ miserable life, because the conflation being made just comes across as _concerning_ if you think about it for like five seconds like, imagine actually trying to handle the modern world when you're someone who perceives "the ability to make a claim" and "the ability to have your claim _actually be acknowledged"_ as mutually inclusive. walking into anywhere with a bunch of ads would be _paralyzing,_ because every step of the way would bombard you with claims about so and so product and because they're being made, you _have_ to stop and fully consider 'em, right? god forbid someone try talking to you in the midst of that, because being distracted from whatever they're saying would be infringing their innate ability to make claims. and if you're in a conversation with multiple people, or the ads are _rotating?_ yeah that must be a life lived via anxiety attacks linked directly to anxiety attacks there, gov

[@neoqwerty]

@@blick7445 Citation needed, then. Your claim, therefore your job to prove that you aren't talking outta your ass.

[@ileutur6863]

Unfortunately it doesn't. They'll just say you're turning your nose up and appealing to authority. And authority can't be trusted (even though their side is the one with literally all of it)

[@AtlasNovack]

Thank you. One of the criticisms I've had of your videos in the past, was that you just told us what the play was, without giving us tips on how to fix it. Now we have tips on what to do when this situation comes up 👍

[@M67v]

Yeooo we need you back Innuendo Studios 😭😭😭😭

[@fairyxpony]

The right hasn't acted in good faith in decades. Being naturally dismissive of their disingenuous "debate" is a win for everyone.

[@FrogmanhatesQibli]

what about critique from the left?

[@bruhawe1417]

​@@lzestrara1518insane way to no true Scotsman this shit but okay

[@screetchycello]

@@lzestrara1518i ain't reading all that, but OP is correct

[@Scape_The_Goat]

​@@lzestrara1518 People like the original commenter don't understand how they are inadvertently making the alt-right and other fringe groups more powerful

[@DullEyes100]

Lol shut up. "The right isn't a real thing" hurrdurr. Who is this goober?​@@lzestrara1518

[@PuzzlingGoal]

99% of leftists quit just one rhetorical bad-faith argument away from solving fascism foverer. Keep rolling boys!

[@MelissaWickersham-k4o]

When fascists advocate for their murderous ideology, they never stop to think that their preferred system of government might one day put *their* own heads on the chopping block. They never stop to think that someday their own ideology and their own cult would betray them.

[@howdoifindaname2743]

Liberals: "I can change her"

[@fullriptide]

LMFAO

[@MelissaWickersham-k4o]

@@PuzzlingGoal Fascists never seem to consider why their ideology is so toxic. They never seem to consider that their own ideology might betray them and that they could end up persecuted by their own fellow fascists. That’s why fascism is so dumb. It’s an ideology of purity and perfection that can never find anything sufficiently pure or perfect because what it seeks can never really exist.

[@ChibiMalzahar]

In the eternal words of Videogamedunkey: most criticism online boils down to "you are wrong because you are nitpicking and biased I win bye bye"

[@PauLtus_B]

I remember a version of this with the people who argue for objective quality in stories, usually on the basis of logical inconsistencies. I can try to meet them on their own terms and have an infinite back and forth, I can explain why doing that will be pointless because ultimately even things like plotholes are subjective, I can explain that trying to find a quality in art beyond our subjective experience is ultimately pointless and forgetting why we interact with art in the first place… …and all you're gonna get back is "well unlike you, some people actually care about good writing." By now we have all these same people complain about "wokeness".

[@MrIansmitchell]

Also the quality of cinemas writing and editing has noticeably declined.

[@PauLtus_B]

@@MrIansmitchell That's always going to seem true if you're just going to watch mainstream stuff and due to recency bias. I think we've been having a lot of great movies recently. ...also "worse writing" isn't really helpful in understanding how things might be getting worse.

[@photon4076]

If you are doing politics, before these three questions, you should ask yourself: Who am I trying to convince? And then change these question to: Does my intended audience know what [blank] is? Does my intended audience agree it is a valid question? How likely is it that they have already come across my answer elsewhere?

[@FrogmanhatesQibli]

I don't think he is trying to convince anyone. His target demographic is people that already agree with him, and he doesn't really make any arguments in favour of his positions.

[@photon4076]

@@FrogmanhatesQibli Well, in that case the task is to keep them convinced and the questions need to be asked about one's audience all the same.

[@macslash5833]

​@@FrogmanhatesQiblithats not the point of it? The point is to analyze common rhetorical strategies and understand the mindset that brings them to these strategies and then a method to counter the strategy or if there really isnt one then atleast know what a person is doing to decide whether an argument is held in bad faith

[@FrogmanhatesQibli]

@@macslash5833 i know. That's why i said he is not trying to convince anyone, because it's not the point of his videos.

[@LittleJimmy835]

“As four eels in a trenchcoat, I lack the fingers to type out a response” is a bulletproof rebuttal.

[@ryanstewart5727]

"Why don't you respond to criticism?" Simple; I'm not obligated to engage with your bad-faith arguments, and I don't want to.

[@neoqwerty]

My favorite response will always be "you're not even worth my ADHD procrastination time"

[@thereisbloodonmynutsack]

That's a fancy way of saying "I have no arguments"

[@kiwi_2_official]

are these bad faith arguments in the room with us right now

[@ryanstewart5727]

@@kiwi_2_official There's one right now.

[@donaldbaird7849]

​@@kiwi_2_officialWhy don't you respond to my criticism?

[@Armm8991]

This one is particularly insidious because even if you respond by calling them our for what they're doing, they will tell you you're over reacting over a simple and innocent question, as if you're some insane volatile person.

[@pjgoldstein6562]

Mediocre sushi?! You give yourself too much credit, unless you are actually a bag of rice with those 4 eels in the trenchcoat. ... is a sentence I never thought I'd say, even in jest.

[@waytoobiased]

if this is eel we're talking about, the trenchcoat also must have eel sauce

[@neoqwerty]

@@waytoobiased I don't think sushi has eel sauce. Also is that trenchcoat made of nori????

[@pjgoldstein6562]

@@neoqwerty I'd think so, but you know, I didn't check. And now I thinknhe didn't say because of a lie of omission. Of course the best way to check would be for us all to hound him by comment that he never explains what the trenchcoat is made of in a bad faith effort to imply it isn't. Too bad he'll just end up seeing that as engagement.

[@maleldil1]

I imagine it's a lot of effort to choose the points you cover and to write scripts that address them effectively, but I sincerely appreciate all your videos, especially the "Alt-Right Playbook" ones. In an online landscape seemingly dominated by extremism, it's often hard to know what's real and what's empty rhetoric. You help with that. Thank you.

[@francoomarlopezlopez]

LET'S GOOOO 🔥🔥🔥 WE'RE GETTING FURTHER LEFT WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

LET'S FUKKIN GO ⬅⬅⬅

[@naturesoundeffectshorts6120]

I've been watching your older videos, listening to the longer ones while I do other things then rewatching them later. Love the analysis

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

This reminds me of that ""interview"" That was trying to have a discussion about the it Israel/Gaza conflict, And one of the Speakers kept interrupting the other and asking "Do you condemn Hamas?" But absolutely no time for the other person to make any sort of response. Just kept asking over and over again, Trying to force some sort of "gotcha"

[@abody499]

Yeah I remember that speaker. Wasn't it Every single rightoid grifter who discusses it

[@jeffknauss2385]

That Day of the Tentacle animation though. ::chef's kiss::

[@kyle9401]

I'm sorry Miss Jackson, I am four eels.

[@gregstephens]

Next-level outro.

[@knuckles543]

there are FOUR lights

[@montecristo1845]

I’m so tired of old-school Democrats saying we have to reach across the aisle, swallow our pride, and attempt to negotiate with those who might call us names if we do not. News flash: THEY ARE GOING TO NAMECALL REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH YOU CONCEDE!!! Have a little self-righteousness now and then!

[@mylittlepkle1714]

says the party that literally name calls every fucking second of the day.

[@throwawaydetective9080]

@@mylittlepkle1714except when we call you fascist we’re calling out what we see, when you call us other terms that start with F you’re just being an asshole

[@ShadowOfChaos13]

⁠@@mylittlepkle1714 Just going off the past 4-8 years alone, DO YOU HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA HOW LITTLE THAT NARROWS IT DOWN?! Current American politics are the most gradeschool level of pettiness and immaturity i have ever seen from BOTH sides. It’s a goddamn joke. Are you a democrat? Then you’re a radical extremist that wants to destroy our country according to the right. Are you a republican? Then you’re an evil, bigoted, fascist, nazi according to the left. This is what the two sides of our media look like every five minutes. Even the political ads now aren’t "Here’s what i will do for you, the voter, to make your life better if i’m elected.", it’s now "Here’s why the other candidate is a complete Piece of Sh*t and you should just pick me instead!".

[@WobblyBits_X]

@@ShadowOfChaos13 Except it's actually true when people call Republicans racist, fascist, etc... And I'm not American, not a Democrat, I don't vote for any of them. Republicans are all unhinged maniacs. You have SCOTUS members talking about rolling back the civil rights movement and a presidential candidate openly saying he would put an end to elections or go door to door deporting people, spreading proven falsehoods about migrants who are in the country legally, etc, etc, etc. Even 20 years ago, Republicans literally made up WMDs in Iraq so they could invade. The media has been far too _soft_ on the Republicans for far too long and that's part of how things have gotten so bad and insane.

[@Andrei-sg7lu]

Reaching across the aisle only works if the other side is willing to do it as well.

[@BroxTheHusky]

It’s frustrating knowing I’m smart enough to not to be an alt-right stooge but also not smart enough to tear down their bullshit in an argument :(

[@VitaeLibra]

I would say it has nothing to do with being smart. This guy spends months of research EDUCATING himself to fight against it. But the reality is, that's the point. If enough people were smart enough to tear down their arguments they wouldn't be making them. Learning how to counter their stupidity isn't gonna help you because they'll just get even dumber or attack you where you're not educated enough to argue with them. And then you have to spend even more effort learning that angle and voila, by spending 10 seconds coming up with different bullshit, they've wasted hours, days, weeks, perhaps even months of your time

[@Twentydragon]

@@VitaeLibra Brandolini's Law in action.

[@austincde]

Yeah like VitaeLibra says, don't argue with them, 1.)they want you to doubt yourself , 2.) they are lonely & dont know how to engage w ppl that isnt confrontational. 3.) they are lonely BECAUSE not being a shithead requires empathy and patience for yourself & others and they don't have that

[@omegahaxors9-11]

If you engage they've already won, because they are actively harmful and engaging with them is legitimatizing their existence.

[@treysonmcgrady4750]

Ask for evidence of their claims. That’s it.

[@carlostroncoso4475]

Day of the tentacle? You're a man of taste

[@MyynMyyn]

*Four eels of taste

[@Noodle3058]

Just wanted to say, I really appreciate all your work and content around alt-right radicalisation. It's really helped me to understand how I slipped down that path in my late teens, and I've since shared that video around, it's helped one of my friends realise that he was slipping too. Thank you

[@RicoFox33]

May I ask what you were 'slipping' into ?

[@Noodle3058]

@RicoFox33 the alt-right pipeline. Right wing views getting more and more extremem

[@RicoFox33]

@@Noodle3058 You are just saying nothing again, could you please elaborate on this 'increasing alt-right extremism' you are talking about?

[@Noodle3058]

@RicoFox33 i mean, I could but, I wasn't aware that I was getting a therapy session. I was in the military and subscribed to a lot of racist, discriminatory views towards Muslims in particular, I was also extremely transphobic. I started down that rabbit hole watching "anti-woke" content in 2016, eventually spiralling into the kind of stuff that I'd punch someone for right now lmao

[@RicoFox33]

@@Noodle3058 Weird, I watch anti-woke content all the time and i haven't spiraled anywhere. Homo'phobia' is instinctive, you can supress it, but obviously your subconscious knows that it is a counter-natural abnormality and it will always stay atleast a little weird. The muslim part is interesting, have you been convinced by personal experience that those views are incorrect?

[@wizardtim8573]

"Why don't you respond to criticism?" Because criticism doesn't require a response to act upon, and is entirely optional on whether or not you act on it. Arguments may require a response, depending on the argument. But criticism is just advice, and advice is optional.

[@kiwi_2_official]

the optional: no

[@EGadjo]

Criticism is advice, and no one ever regretted ignoring the advice of a youtube comment.

[@kiwi_2_official]

@@EGadjo yes they have

[@EGadjo]

@@kiwi_2_official lol

[@winterbliss4459]

@@kiwi_2_official no. no we havent

[@justineberlein5916]

5:40 Nice try, but I know eels make amazing sushi

[@willowtdog6449]

😂

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

Why Don't You Respond to Criticism? . . . . . . . . Criticism being your voice is too damn smooth and that should be illegal.

[@SimnaibnSind]

When i clicked "Show more" on this comment I thought I was gonna get 10 facts about #BMW

[@gigaus0]

Alternate title: How there are no such things as reasonable moderates.

[@F40PH-2CAT]

Every extremist thinks theyre moderate.

[@johncolt3582]

just rewatched the entire series, excited that the exact day a new one comes out

[@thekbob6369]

It took me a moment, but I got it.... the outro music change up. Hilarious.

[@GTF5199]

Literally watching ethan klein do this to hasanabi right now

[@GhostBear402]

🎯

[@Uelibertiga]

I have seen some clips, but all I´ve seen was Hasan changing topics including the hatred he gets from Destiny and other stuff while dodging every question. If he reacts to a video and adresses non of the things brought up and only argues against strawmans then it´s easy to criticze him.

[@nathansimons9881]

Seems to me like the appropriate response to these bad faith actors is: 1. I don't owe you a response. 2. Your criticism is invalid. 3. I won't help spread your message. End of response. And honestly, if you aren't getting *any* response, you can assume the above *is* the response, but we're not going to waste our time repeating it to you.

[@thereisbloodonmynutsack]

"ERM chud I'm smarter and you're dumber lol" you literally show all the bad faith arguments you keep complaining about

[@ExplodingDarth]

I absolutely love these, the analysis of bad faith talking points in a way I would struggle to do myself is so cathartic and useful

[@theriderdwaft]

5:00 sounds like something 4 eels in a trench coat would say 🧐

[@maxmustsleep]

damn, AI filters have come a long way, you almost made your 4 eel self look like a real human being. also fantastic video! You've perfectly captured what's so exhausting in current day discussions, where it's so simple to post a single sentence to seemingly undermine everything you've said. But they're "just asking questions", "thinking outside the box", "playing devil's advocat" it is so incredibly low effort and so easy to spam with bots. And yet it's so effective at delaying important actions, spreading missinformation and causing uncertainty because it appears your views are contested when there really aren't any valid counter-arguments and especially no solid proof.

[@Fluffkitscripts]

Number three got me thinking, this is something that also shows up on the more infighty parts of the left. This is exactly what happens when someone gets “cancelled” for dubious reasons (“oh, I heard on this podcast that they found a tape where somebody says their cousin knows (public figure) runs an abusive workplace”) and the focus is put on the fact that they’re not “addressing the criticism” of a hundred harassy Twitter accounts.

[@justseffstuff3308]

God, exactly I was even hearing about the criticism of some specific person who was supposedly a pedophile, and a friend of mine who REALLY doesn't investigate this stuff as much as she should said "She made an apology about it on her account so she pretty much confirmed the stuff she's said" That friend of mine clearly didn't actually read the apology, since what the person being questioned was ACTUALLY apologizing for was a poor sense of humour many years ago, and then she also added that using that narrative to insist she was a pedophile was in poor taste- but somehow this got twisted into her "admitting to grooming someone" Even if you DO address things, you still lose by addressing them, because the very fact you addressed them supposedly means it's all true. There's no winning. And then you also see people asking why so-and-so KZbinr hasn't ALSO addressed the situation on this random unrelated person yet, which leads to people going "uhhh I don't know anything about what happened but pedophilia's evil, yeah" like 6 hours after news of something came out- it actively encourages quick and uninformed takes on things I haven't actually looked at the situation since then so God fucking knows, maybe there's actual decent proof by now, but my point is, the whole way people go about things in the early stage of a situation

[@NM-wd7kx]

@@Fluffkitscripts to be fair, 'cancelling' people has always been a conservative tactic, picked up by liberals, some of whom actually started to move left but haven't managed to break the habit

[@tjthill]

As Bannon so crudely phrased one of the best plays in the fascist-takeover playbook, this is a "flood the zone with shit" play.

[@guybrushmonkey97]

Nice use of the Day of the Tentacle cutscene, glad to see you're still into Adventure games! I loved your "Who shot Guybrush Threepwood" videos!

[@lilmsgs]

I must have developed the skills over the years online arguing, but I don't find it difficult to counter respond to these kinds of disingenuous questions.

[@airisakura1119]

You don't? That’s interesting. I often discuss these topics with others, but I still find it hard to make progress, even when I have completely the same opinion with someone, they just cant agree with me. I think it might not just be about the content but also about how we communicate it. What do you think?

[@lilmsgs]

@@airisakura1119 I don't know what kind of progress you're trying to make but my comment had nothing to do with making some kind of progress with someone who's being disingenuous. I was only saying I seem to be skilled at at countering their disingenuous nonsense. e.g. it may well come down to saying to them: "We'll have to agree to disagree on that point"

[@DOCTOR.DEADHEAD]

@@lilmsgs To be fair I'd say "agree to disagree" or anything similar is the exact kind of response that people arguing in bad faith won't be satisfied with as the video points out, at least the more stubborn ones. It isn't that countering them is impossible but rather nothing you say will be a valid response in their eyes.

[@lilmsgs]

@@DOCTOR.DEADHEAD Yes, they don't like that response if they're just attacking. But tell me why I would care if they don't like that response? When I give that response and they keep attacking cause they don't like it, I begin counterattack on the point that they're unable to accept other's opinions that differs with theirs and ask them why they think that is. I always look for opportunities to turn it around on them.

[@DOCTOR.DEADHEAD]

@@lilmsgs You rightfully shouldn't care, which again is what I believe the video is getting at. To not bother giving their argument the respect that they refused to give you to begin with.

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

6:17 Ooh, new outro music!

[@Belladonna-x2c]

Does anyone know where I can find the outro music? I looked through Ki5's channel, and I can't find any sign of this.

[@Stlwartheart14]

im sorry ms jackson, I am four eels (in a trench coat)

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

@@Belladonna-x2ctrying to find it as well 😭

[@forafewnightsout]

That outro joke made me laugh so hard at work i got headphone checked, and passed the charisma check.

[@tmaxim2651]

I feel like people asking on good faith would be more likely to ask "Have you responded to this criticism?" first.

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Likely also with a "And if so where?" so they can see.

[@TheOnlyGM]

These four eels are well known for not responding to my criticism!

[@lawncrow]

I have yet to hear an apology to miss Jackson from the four eels!!! They can't keep getting away with it

[@paichni3474]

I always knew the eel allegations were true smh my head

[@gameplanetanimations]

At first, I was skeptical of this video. But watching through it... it's actually pretty well constructed, and you're correct on a lot of this stuff. Indeed, the vagueness is a pretty big red flag of these sorts of things. Along with the fact that they would try to frame it in a way that makes you seem like you're "strawmanning" or "cherrypicking". Along with all the other tactics mentioned in this video. Thanks!

[@SurprisinglySincere]

The Addressing the Allegations bell is such an unbelievably effective way to make your point. One little ring of a bell and everything that both contra and lindsay ellis experienced rushed into my head at once. I'm blown away by the information density on that bell sound.

[@justinn9691]

The “I won’t be ignored!” part of the Linkin Park “Faint” music video as a reference was top notch lol

[@Tiny30000]

My go to response is “I don’t take criticism from those I wouldn’t take advice from”

[@tJustSoup]

Can't even give a simple yes or no to "are you 4 eels in a trench coat", like bro it's a simple yes or no question smh my head, skull emoji x7

[@MelissaWickersham-k4o]

He’s not “four eels in a trenchcoat” because eels can’t speak in a human language. Eels certainly can’t create videos on KZbin.

[@hi-i-am-atan]

@@MelissaWickersham-k4o that's what _they_ want you to think

[@neoqwerty]

I heard Matt Rose screaming SKULLEMOJISKULLEMOJISKULLEMOJISKULLEMOJISKULLEMOJISKULLEMOJISKULLEMOJIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII in my head vividly thanks