The AMAZING .327 Federal Magnum Cartridge Family (.32 S&W Long VS .32 H&R Magnum VS .327 Magnum)

Testing the compatible cartridge family that a .327 Federal Magnum revolver can fire. I am using the Ruger LCR 1.875" bbl for my tests. The ammunition used for testing is the Speer Gold Dot .327 Federal Magnum 100 gr JHP, the Federal Personal Defense .32 H&R Magnum 85 gr XTP and the Magtech .32 S&W Long 98 gr semi jacketed hollow point. Always appreciative of any channel
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[@GunSam]

I incorrectly said that the .32 S&W Long had a different base diameter, while in fact the .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R Magnum and .327 Federal Magnum all share a base and neck diameter of 0.337" so they are all truly the same case size other than length. Now the .32 S&W is the one with different case dimensions because the .32 S&W's base diameter is 0.335" and neck diameter is 0.334", so one more reason to NOT use the .32 S&W. Now with the .32 ACP, it does share the .337" base diameter so the base (not the rim) is closer to the .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R Mag and .327 Mag than what the .32 S&W is, however the .32 ACP has a neck diameter of 0..3365" but a bullet diameter of .3125" instead of the others having a bullet diameter of .3120". You can clearly see that the .32 S&W and the .32 ACP have two significant specs each that put them outside of true compatibility, as where the .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R Mag and .327 Mag are truly 3 of the same family and all compatible in a .327 Magnum revolver.

[@ericellquist7007]

Another fine video! I assume that the 32 ACP would be utilizing some kind of "moon clips"; how would that factor in as a safety issue? Seems as if it would shim the case length out a bit. My Webley MK VI was converted to 45 ACP at some point prior to my ownership, and there is a definite shimming effect that was factored in at the time of conversion. Also, what would you say would be the optimum barrel length for these cartridges?

[@mountainhobo]

@Eric Ellquist -- Lucky Gunner Ammo had a fairly recent video, including demonstration, on why it is not a good idea to shoot .32 ACP out of a revolver.

[@lookythat2]

Sam, my references show the 32 S&W with a cylindrical case diameter of .339 and rim diameter of .378 and rim thickness of .054 (not .045 as you stated). The 32 S&W Long, 32 H&R Mag and 327 Federal all show rim diameters of .375, rim thickness of .337 and cylindrical case diameters of .055. All four of these cartridges are derived from the 32 S&W. In terms of SAAMI specs they are loaded to pressures of 13,900 (CUP), 13,900 (CUP), 21,000 (CUP) and 45,000 (PSI) respectively. The 32 ACP is the oddball with a base diameter of .3373 tapering to .3365 and a rim diameter of .358 and thickness of .045. Its SAAMI maximum pressure is 16,900 (CUP). As you said, there is a headspace problem trying to fire the 32 ACP in any revolver, since both the rim thickness and diameter are incorrect. The rim diameter could also cause extraction issues. In my opinion the worst idea is trying to fire the 32 ACP in either 32 S&W (short) or 32 S&W Long revolvers, especially older top break revolvers, many of which were originally proofed for black powder. Fortunately the 32 ACP won't chamber in many of the old 32 S&W top breaks. Despite some minor differences, I believe the 32 S&W is safe in any 32 S&W Long, 32 H&R Magnum, or 327 Federal. The question is, what are you really getting by doing that? The 32 ACP, in my opinion, should not be fired in any of these revolvers. Given the long jump from the case mouth to the rifling due to cylinder dimensions, the loss of pressure there and due to the barrel/cylinder gap, and the loss of accuracy and velocity, it really makes no sense to do it.

[@TheTriumphbsa]

Thomas L Lots of detailed info, nice! However, I believe he referenced in the first part of the video the difference between the written research he studied; and actual rim and case diameters of current real world loadings as being significantly divergent enough to consider that as having more merit on the real measurable loadings, vs the written reference. Of course I do not know if you both reference the exact same material. I have shot all 5 out of a 4” .327mag sp101; however the old .32 S&W reg (short) and long boxed ammo was considerably more dirty, enough to say “yup, it will shoot them if an emergency forced it; but the smoke and filth sent me back into my .32 H&R mag and .327 Boxes after just a cylinder of the tamer old loads!

[@Me2Lancer]

Thank you Sam. I'm giving the 32 revolver rounds another look. It's been about 30 years since I traded my 32 H&R magnum and with the advent of the 327 magnum you have demonstrated some impressive performance. It would have been interesting to see the 32 H&R magnum with the Gold Dot ammo if they make it.

[@CyborgZeta]

I got a Taurus 327, and have been very impressed with the .32 family. .32 S&W Long and .32 H&R are excellent. .327 Federal is stout, but I like it too. For carry in a snub, the .32 H&R is my favorite.

[@n.b.2164]

I found a Taurus 327 and can't wait to try out these .32 calibers. Impressive stuff.

[@danielguadian2716]

Outstanding presentation. I have a Charter Arms .32 H&R Magnum. It's a fantastic gun, very pleased with it....

[@robertshelnutt5081]

As info, back in the dark ages, the .32 long FULL WADCUTTER was the best manstopper in that caliber, as none of the hollowpoints tested (this was mid - 1980s) would expand unless they hit a rock. Not enough speed to actually expand. The wadcutters would penetrate 14 - 18 inches fairly consistently. The H&R Magnum was a huge improvement.

[@craigfinley2507]

You like the long wadcutter better than long LRN is it more powerful and does more damage. Get back

[@craigfinley2507]

You think the wad cutters are more powerful than the LRN 32 long. For defense purposes. Get back with me.

[@mkshffr4936]

​@@craigfinley2507 Not a matter of power as such. The WC is the more effective profile until you get into very heavy RN wich may tumble. The flat nose cuts and tears tissue where RN tends to push it aside and slip through.

[@craigfinley2507]

@@mkshffr4936 so the LRN is better for damage than the flat nose is that what you mean. What other wadcutter is there , you like the full wadcutter. Get back with me. And thank you for information I'm learning

[@craigfinley2507]

How well did the LRN penetrate , do you think it would do as well as wadcutter

[@christophernemeth421]

The performance of the 32 S&W Long was impressive. For someone with weak hands that would be a great option compared to a 38 spl. They would also be a great choice as a carry round in general

[@willknowdoggs4764]

The .32 S&W impressed me as a great round for a low recoil snubby. The .32 H&R suffers from the XTP bullet which needs a higher velocities, it suffers in .38Spl as well. The .327 Mag, should be more popular as it is quite the round. Great info Sam.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. I have tried the American Gunner .38 Special with the XTP and have often wondered why make that load. Now the XTP in a 125 gr for reloading .38 Special is excellent and a great plinker, just not going to do well if expansion is intended.

[@W1ldt1m]

The 125 xtp doesn't open up until you get to magnum velocities. I'd love to see that semi jacketed magtech loaded in the h&r mag another hundred fps would really make it perform.

[@mkshffr4936]

I think for the S&W and H&R I would use wad cutters for defense and save the HP (Rem 100gr gold dot) for the Fed Mag.

[@jtem9313]

P.S. I am still amazed at the accuracy of the .32 magnum. It may not be as cheap as the .32 long or as devastating as the .327 but, my God, that accuracy has to count for something!

[@xxxYYZxxx]

Thanks for the analysis. It's so hard to find information about real differences between cartridges, like the rim thickness you mentioned. You also mention how loud the rounds are. Sound and muzzle blast aren't popular topics but are very important to consider. Consider the worst case scenario, like shooting in a dark hallway, not just outdoors with ear protection. No one gets to use ear (or eye) protection in a split second self defense scenario. No one anticipates being temporarily blinded or deafened by their own weapon, but they probably should.

[@markmuch1295]

Thanks for this, Gun Sam. I love my Ruger SP101 .327 with a 3" barrel which has much less recoil than your Ruger LCR. I keep it loaded with Hydro Shok 85 grain .327 magnum SJHP. In bear country or wild boar country I would use American Eagle .327 magnum 100 grain, and when I get old I'll use .32 S&W long. I hope this great gun will become more popular so the ammo will be more available locally, but the ammo can be found online. Revolvers rule!

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching! That Hydrashok is the round I also keep loaded in the LCR. I like it because the recoil is about the same as .38 Special+P but a good 10-20% more energy than .38 Special+P.

[@kb2cyf]

Double tap has a 120gr, hardcast for the woods. 1250fps out of a 3" sp101. Might be better for bear county.

[@la_old_salt2241]

​@@kb2cyfBuffalo Bore also has a 130gr hardcast Keith style load they call the Outdoorsman. That's in both 32 H&R mag, and 327 FM. In fact, they have a hardcast load for the 32 S&W Long also. Pretty handy outdoors loads. Gunwriter Richard Mann has taken a deer with the 32 H&R Keith load at about 25-30 yards out of a Ruger 5.5 inch Single-Seven.

[@ea6871]

Thanks for your hard work. I never really took the .32 acp and s&w short seriously out of the lcr (x) other than a novelty. The s&w long is really good news. That surprised me. Just goes to show you the correct bullet design weight and powder load combined together break some of the; most intuitive assumptions. Forget arthritis and old bones it is great to have a light weight snub that you can unload six super controlable good performing rounds in a defensive situation without apprehension of sound and blast, not that you would be thinking about that under stress but you never know. Dare I say also affordable, atleast on line. Another great thing is you can carry 4 s&w longs and two. 327 mags at the end of that sentence. For the price point h&r mags are pricey and not that impressive. If I find them I'll usually take them though. I guess there's a reason why 32s&w long was a favorite round for many, for almost 100 years. Overall underrated revolver platform with a plethora of options, glad I highly rated it and got one lol.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching! I think by then end of .327 testing I will plan to test everything, probably even .32 ACP and S&W just to see how they do.

[@christophernemeth421]

I agree with your idea of carrying 4 longs and 2 327's. That's how I would carry. Back when I carried a 340PD I loaded it with 3 38's and a 357 ad the last round. The lighter rounds give you good control and follow up shots, while you have the 357 power available if the fight lasts that long. The blast and recoil of the 357 also gives a clear indication that you are out of ammo in the heat if the moment

[@randythorold7352]

That's an excellent idea. 4 S&W long, then two 327. Thanks.

[@r64g]

I'm very impressed by the Magtech 32 SJHP round. I think the soft lead and the SJHP design allowing the large frontal opening makes that expansion possible with such a low velocity. I just ordered some for my wife's LCR as her low recoil option carry round. Hard to imagine such performance for such a low recoil round.

[@x2malandy]

My 2 cents. I had a 32 revolver about 45 years ago. What I liked is when I shot the 32 shorts, I could watch the bullet and know where it was going to hit before it got to the target.

[@denniscraven8438]

Thanks for doing this! As I’m getting an LCR (32). Very well done!

[@Me2Lancer]

Very impressive, Sam. Can't believe I traded my 32 H&R magnum a few years back. That said, being able to shoot from .32 S&W through .327 Magnum looks like an attractive personal defense option. So tempting!

[@GunSam]

Thanks! I really love the .32 caliber but it's one of those ones where you probably need to hand load them to shoot a lot. I haven't hand loaded any yet but I certainly plan to as soon as I get a decent brass supply.

[@la_old_salt2241]

That is exactly why I bought the Ruger LCR in this clambering, versatility. Now I want a Ruger SP101 3inch for the same reason. Hey Sam, have you re-run this test with the ballistic jell? If not, I'd like to see you do that at some point. God bless, Rob

[@surgeyibrahimovic5013]

I’ve been looking for months and finally scored a ruger lcr chambered in 327 fed magnum. I’m a happy camper

[@michigunsanta8680]

That’s cool! I’ve got a few boxes of that magtech 32S&W long, thats what I leave in my LCR for my wife when I work nights. She doesn’t like recoil or loud blast. 👍🏻

[@scottmorgan1016]

That 327 mag is an impressive round. Watched Buffaloes channel and he impressed me also with this cartridge. But that 32 sw long would be good for wife. Still checking out revolvers for her. Your work helps a lot in search thanks

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching! I watched his video recently with the .327 from that rifle at 100 yards. Impressive performance.

[@inaz1963]

H&R 732 or 733. May not be pretty, but their built like a brick s--t house.

[@la_old_salt2241]

The 32 S&W Long would be good for anyone.

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

The .32 S&W Long is what Charles Bronson used to waste muggers in the first 'Death Wish' film.

[@jamesleadabrand7986]

Too bad Charles wasn't in NY this past summer!

[@howardschwartz1462]

I have a S&w 332 ti h&r 6 shot revolver. The revolver is light with aluminum and titanium. I load it with 32 S&w long wad cutters.

[@livincincy4498]

I never realized that the 100 grain 32 Federal Magnum goes 1600 fps. A 100 grain 380 ACP is doing half. The additional energy from 7-800 fps squared is significant.

[@GunSam]

It's a decent round. The 100 gr American Eagle soft point is rated at 1,500 FPS so that will be an interesting test as well.

[@zzxxooooxxzz4964]

Ohh yeah no question about it 327mag is alot stronger than 380 i would estimate that its probably as much as a difference as 9mm vs 357 The 327 is truly moving at an extreme velocity

[@zzxxooooxxzz4964]

Hey Sam you own any revolvers chambered in 32-20, 32WCF ?? If so make a video comparing it to the 327.. Love it in the S&W 1905 K frame The thing is a beast.. I dont know if there's really anything with a short barrel? The 1 im talking about is 6' long not really sure if there are many other revolvers chambered for it the only other Firearms I've ever seen for 32WCF is lever action rifles

[@r64g]

You won't get anywhere near 1600fps out of a snub nose revolver. You will get somewhere around 1050-1300 depending on the load. Yes it is still a *lot* better than 380ACP out of a subcompact autoloader

[@Gieszkanne]

That additional energy will also go to your eardrum!

[@revv45acp71]

Thanks, Sam. Your videos are always very informative.

[@W1ldt1m]

You have me so looking at the charter Arms professional right now.

[@MarkTarsis]

Appreciate the revolver love on your channel and your 327 vids are one reason I picked up a 327 LCR-X(I like hammers on my revolvers). I have to say though that it's nearly impossible to find 32 ammo in the middle of Florida. I'm basically taking up reloading just for this caliber. As for 32 SW short, one reason to shoot it is that it'd be slightly cheaper to reload for(half the powder), pretty easy to throw cast lead out of(real low velocities) and just a fun little light popper of a cartridge to toss at cans. According to my Lyman book, 32 short is safe to shoot out of 32 long chambered guns. Though the case specs there are different than what you seem to be measuring out in the real world. When my Starline brass gets delivered I'll take some measurements of those cases and see if they match my Lyman book specs: 0.54 rim and 0.339 base/neck. Hopefully it's good brass and it's just the ammo manufacturers being cheap. Anyway, keep up the great work on your videos. They're appreciated.

[@GunSam]

Thanks! I do reload ammo but I have been putting off getting a .32 caliber die set until I have a good .32 caliber brass supply. From what I understand there is no .327 Magnum dies specifically with most companies, but you can easily reload .327 on the .32 H&R dies along with the others (I believe). I guess one advantage of a .32 S&W also would be you could probably not even crimp them lol, not enough recoil to cause the bullets left in the gun to do anything.

[@MarkTarsis]

@@GunSam Hey, I wanted to follow up on this as I got my Starline Brass in today. 327, 32 H&R Mag, SW Long and SW Short are all measuring 0.334 diameter and 0.052 rim on their brass. Overall length on each is 1.194, 1.071, 0.913 and 0.598. My measurements might be a tad under on each dimension because I'm applying a good deal of force on the calipers and that might be throwing the zero off a tad. But in the least it's showing that Starline 32 Short is measuring the same as the other pistol calibers for rim/diameter. So reloads on that brass should be good to go.

[@JohnDoe-vq8bg]

Factory recommendations and good judgment. You've got a lot to live for! Be nice to have all your fingers and eyes to retire with! Great work Sam and best regards!

[@GunSam]

Thank you. I feel like the user manual says what it says for a reason. I know a lot of people that are of the opinion, if it fits fire it lol, watching a vid now where a guy is gonna fire .380 through a 9mm revolver. Just seems like a bad idea to me :)

[@JohnDoe-vq8bg]

I reload for the 380 and 9mm, so modifying both charges would be easy enough. Still, I wouldn't do it. But some people are numb from the neck up! Be safe and happy is my motto! Life is too much fun to see it through one eye!

[@heikopanzlaff3789]

. 32 S& W L WC is widely used here in Germany for competition shooting in , beleve it or not, a semiautomatic pistol- the Walther GSP. Have one ...

[@jalan8171]

Up to the 1960's a number of center fire mid-caliber target shooters utilized revolvers ( particularly the Smith K-32 ) in .32 long in America. A very select few opted for expensive import auto loaders. Even Elmer Keith saw reason for the continued existence of the .32 Long as a target and short range small game round. In his era, he considered the only .32 caliber round worthy of self defense from a revolver was the 32-20.

[@AndyPhelps-BOG]

Man thanks for these tests you have helped me out a shit ton

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching! They are fun to film and test around with.

[@mtthwpnn]

I've enjoyed consuming your content. We share an appreciation for the LCR in 327. I appreciate the direct engagement too.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching!

[@nomadebachet1]

Sr, I appreciate the work you do!!! just subscribed!!!

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@robertnation3077]

Liked that Sam, pretty cool! Not much info on any .32cal.ammo on the web. Keep ‘em coming!

[@GunSam]

Thanks! I definitely have more. Testing some solid lead semi wadcutter in .32 H&R mag VS the same bullet style in .38 Special, both standard pressure. And I also have the .327 Federal in the 85 gr American Eagle soft point VS the American Eagle 158 gr .357 mag soft point. The latter mention isn't "fair", but I really want to see how that 85 gr does before I move on to the 100 gr soft point. I may at some point try .32 S&W and .32 ACP just to see what my experience is.

[@theplinkerslodge6361]

This is a really good vid, I was unaware of the relationships of these rounds. Also, very attractive for a future firearm purchase. I can see absolute damage and over time with your testing setup comparative damage to so many other rounds. Great work, thank you.

[@GunSam]

Thanks.

[@jw-sigp2258]

I absolutely loved this video. I also absolutely love the 32 s&w long round. I have a colt police positive with a 4 inch barrel. My favorite 32 long hand load to use in it is with rim rock 100 grain full wadcutter at 900 FPS.

[@unclemonkey8285]

Confusing and everything you read on the internet is not true. But very very helpful and well explained. Follow the manual!!! Injured my back and have become a recoil weenie. Might have to go S+W longs...

[@louishuelsman6698]

Another great video and thanks for letting US learn with YOU !!!

[@dirtpitoutdoors2045]

I love my 327 mag! Good video brother!

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@jameslarsen3184]

Nice review. This is my new favorite carry gun, and yes Im getting older😂. I am also one of those guys that got 5 boxes of 32 short for free, I had no idea about the difference in rim diameter,and went on advice from someone who already had the revolver. I have shot about 2 boxes without issue, will probably shoot the rest then stay away from them. Anyways, this is a gun that with the 32 long you can go to the range and put some serious time in very comfortably, love it! Per usual with you a great review without the nonsense.

[@GunSam]

Thanks! Lol on the free ammo.

[@patrickrossetti5685]

That lcr 327 is a terrific gun for reasons you just demonstrated. Great video. Thanks👍!

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@JuncTown-]

Awesome! Good to hear the info about the ACP & Short cartridges, thanks.

[@GingerNinja83]

Thanks for this video. Not many people do videos this informative on the 32 family. This inspired me into the ruger lcr in 327 and I'm loving it.

[@jeffschultz8817]

I wish the .327 LCR was the same weight as the .38 version. I understand why it’s steel, but I’d gladly forgo .327 mag to have a super light BUG that shot the .32 S&W or .32 H&R mag. I guess locating the S&W unubtanium 332 Ti is in order!

[@MPGunther1]

I've got to get me one of those if for nothing more than for the versatility of the firearm

[@DanTheWolfman]

Nice Vid Sam Gun Sam! While not for me, a .32 ACP Beretta 81BB, or the 7-shot .32 H&R Charter Arms Professional 3" Barrel if one rare bird can be found, or the .380 Smith EZ are prob the best choices for granny/arthritic or certain disabled types (I'm speaking as someone with the disability of Lupus and bad hand pain )

[@richarddixon7276]

Ballistic tests like this will always get Me coming back for More ! , there don't appear to be a lot of the .32 calibre pistol cartridge tests out there so this was really appreciated . Please Sam "Can We Have Some More" , Thanks Sam . Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .

[@ted.angell7609]

If you’re on the fence about this round because of ammo availability, here are my thoughts based on current events. Right now we’ve got the big toilet paper shortage going on: people panicked and bought everything in sight, not just one brand, color scent, whatever. So my takeaway is if you want a supply of ammo in a crisis, you’ll want to buy it in advance no matter what caliber; if panic buying kicks in, the shelves will get cleaned out, period. As I write this, scalpers are selling toilet paper on Facebook Marketplace, and they’d probably be doing something similar with ammo. So with .32/.327, you have to plan ahead on ammo purchases and probably purchase online even in good times, and you should stock up in advance in case of bad times. Regarding the cost difference between this and 9mm, there isn’t a whole lot of difference in cost for premium self-defense rounds, considering the number of rounds you’ll actually shoot. In practice rounds, you can get .32 wadcutters starting at $.30 per round, and you’ll tend to shoot fewer rounds more carefully out of a wheelgun than out of a high-capacity 9mm.

[@thefusilier4702]

Great video Sam, keep em coming, I'm really liking the .32 platform, this round has been slow to take off, yet I hear a lot good about the round, thnx's to your channel, & you ballistics testing, where as the Average Joe can make his own decision.... Hopefully we could see you spike, In sales bringing the cost of ammo down... Wishful thinking...

[@GunSam]

Thanks! What I have noticed is that between maybe 2008 and 2011 the .327 was big and some excitement about it, but then it died. I think it was 2015 that the LCR came out in .327 which had some resirgance, but overall not very popular.

[@thefusilier4702]

@@GunSam huh, I've only heard good about the LCR revolver, I would think chambered in 327 magnum should be a bonus... Do you have any other information to share on the lcr flaws, or point me in the direction, of a past video I may have over looked....?

[@Pointblank2U]

@@thefusilier4702 As the previous owner of that revolver the only thing I can say slightly negative about LCRs in general is that they are harder to reload with speed loaders due to the minimal size of the cylinder and the larger grip. 5 Star makes speed loaders specifically for the 327 Ruger and they work ok.

[@marco529]

I've used an old H&R .32 S&W Long for years now. I have the 4" and 2" bbl both shoot better than my Taurus .38.

[@GunSam]

I have heard they are more accurate than lots of other cartridges. I may have to see what I can do with other .32 Long ammo.

[@dmgthree6051]

Sam , try some of that Buffalo bore hard cast lead 32 S&W long ammo , I hear it’s about the best you can do for self defense in that cartridge!

[@jerryhammack1318]

I had a ruger single six in .32 h&r mag. It accounted for a lot of coyotes in West Texas! Miss that little gun. Light accurate and deadly ! Just had small kids who loved to play with daddy's gun! For their safety I sold it! They grew up and I'm looking for a replacement now!

[@EvanPantazi]

Would love to see this revisited with your new gel block testing... great work through the years.

[@stephanieroberts1394]

Learned so much and I enjoyed this demonstration. Thank you.

[@mitubogoogle]

Great factual info as always

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@Bobby6thAve]

Thank you. For my wife, I had been considering .32S&W (short) but you gave excellent reasons why it might cause problems; I’ll buy the .32S&W Long instead.

[@LarryeWhite61]

Absolute best ammo testing videos. I've been lookin 4 a centerfire pocket revolver and the LCR in 327 Federal Mag will be my next purchase.

[@anthonyguidas2012]

That Gold Dot hollow point is impressive out of that short barrel.👍

[@Neaptide184]

I have two 327 revolvers, LCR and SP 101. Both were lower quality pistols (in manufacturing quality, customer support particularity awful on the SP 101). Spent about $150 fixing the bent parts on the SP101, two returns to Ruger, unimpressed with their “workmanship. Almost gave up on the 327, but started shooting and reloading a lot after fixing the SP, and just fell in love with the options, especially with the 32 H&R. The LCR has a great trigger, and its amazingly easy to draw, shoots very accurately. Now, looking for Smith in 32 H&R.

[@WhoWouldWantThisName]

I pretty much already said everything in the Patreon viewing, but I wanted to just give this video some added support for the channel, so here I am :). Likes, views, and comments right Sam? Anyway, I think that .32 S&W Long is seriously impressive for what it is, but the H&R Mag. was just the opposite. I thought it would be a close contender for the .327, not just a slightly more potent S&W Long. That H&R needs an easier to expand bullet like the Long has. I fully expected good things from the .327 so I'm not surprised it performed really well. For me it's a contest between the .327 Fed. Mag. and the .38 Spl.+P. (with a good load of course). Please keep these .32 cal. videos coming Sam, I especially like to see these things that others don't cover so much, it's one of the great things about this channel.

[@Pointblank2U]

The XTP bullet is primarily designed for hunting. I have no idea why Federal loads this in a self defense pistol cartridge. You can be sure though that the XTP 32 H&R Magnum round will easily defeat any heavy clothing as well as bone. As they say, over penetration will get you sued, but under penetration will get you killed.

[@GunSam]

As pointblank said, the bullet is a hunting bullet and not ideal for 2 legged beasts. I think the reason why the XTP bullet is used is that there really are not enough cost effective options for a mainstream company to use. For instance on Midwayusa's reloading section, the only hollow point .312" bullets are the XTP and the Sierra Sports Master 90 gr SJHP (which would be excellent instead of the XTP), but looking at the price of $25.99 for 100 of the Sierra VS $19.99 for 100 XTP's, it's obvious that Federal just took the cheap option as why not, the .32 H&R is on the verge of being a cult following/obsolete creation. I see this with a lot of rounds that were never around long enough to be classics or overly popular, but then overshadowed by something similar but more powerful which destroys that cartridge. I see it with cartridges that seem to be a great idea but are not practical and the classic version makes a comeback and overshadows the cartridge that could be great. The .32 S&W Long is a great classic but the .327 Mag is "better" so goodbye .32 H&R, or the .45 ACP is a classic, and the .45 GAP seemed great but now days 9mm is more practical so going to a .45 caliber is a nostalgia thing, so there's no practical use for the .45 GAP. I could probably come up with 20 more examples if I got on WIKI and started scrolling the handgun cartridge list of all cartridges ever created.

[@ExpatGringo]

Informative, entertaining vid. Thanks! I have the same exact gun, and it has replaced my.380 and 9mm pistols as my cool weather EDC. I've chosen to load it with Buffalo Bore .32 H&R Magnum +P, as I believe it strikes the right balance FOR ME. The hot .327 Magnum loads were a little too hot! I use .32 Long for practice instead of .32 ACP for the reasons you mentioned. Thanks again.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. You could also try the Hydrashok .327 Mag as they were less powerful than the Buffalo Bore .32 H&R+P yet they performed just as well but with better bullet expansion than the Buffalo Bore.

[@Ruweisat]

Thanks for your excellent videos. You’ve sold me on the LCR in .327. I wish there were more choices in .32 snub other than Ruger & Charter Arms.

[@jonclark8155]

We don’t have the 327 down here in the south. We have the 30 super carry 32 acp. With that being said I’m liking the 327 it’s kinda like the 357 with multiple rounds and it gives you choices. Thanks for your work on this video and good shooting.

[@hunterhoughton7843]

👍🤠 god I wish 327 was cheaper and more available. Awesome little caliber

[@Pointblank2U]

I get all mine online via ammoseek.com

[@paulc5817]

Love this channel.

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@marcogram1216]

If we all get on Ruger's website and ask, they may produce a 3" .327 LCR.

[@GunSam]

Would be nice, but since there's an SP101 in 3" they might not.

[@mkshffr4936]

If I had money to buy it I would lobby for a 3" LCRx and a 7 shot SP101.

[@torozal52]

I have sp101 327 3inch with front nightsights and is ported, nice to shoot

[@alabamayankee7217]

I've been carrying the LCR 327 close to three years and I think it's a great carry gun. I actually split loaded I have the first three bullets as 32 h&r mags and the last as the 327 s. Since most gun exchanges are over in two or three bullets I believe that the accuracy of the 32 h & R's provide a big benefit. Also the sound from the 327 coming out of the LCR is absolutely deafening. I hope I never reach the last three in a gun exchange. at the range shooting this gun actually disturbs the people next to me even though they have hearing protection if I have it loaded with the 327. despite all of this I think it's a darn good carry gun and one you can depend on to go bang when you pull that trigger. I really enjoyed the video and thank you for the comparison. I pity those poor Bologna's may they rest in peace.

[@GunSam]

I now carry this .327 mag. It took some time, but after doing a number of more tests, reloading the .32 H&R, and shooting at long range I have found that the .327 Mag is literally the best carry cartridge out there. I carry light .327's in the range of high end .32 H&R, the takeaway of the .327 snub is that it's basically as good as a 9mm for ballistics, but with less recoil, more reliability and more reliable hollow point expansion. It possesses every positive attribute you want in a carry cartridge even down to having decent capacity at 6. I can take out this LCR and wildly fire at 7 yards and place all my shots in maybe a 12" pattern, which don't sound impressive but in the real world doing something like that with no control over the gun and still getting that is unheard of. Other guns in the same size range would be like 3 on a full size silhouette and the rest misses.

[@davidkachel]

After more than half a century I finally figured it out... If you're old enough, you remember that the Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers, Gene Autry and most of the heroes on TV and in cowboy movies, would all THROW the bullets out of their guns. I always wondered why, but now I know. The guns were all in .32 S&W Long and therefore needed that little bit of extra help to make it out the end of the barrel!!!

[@GunSam]

I wasn't born until 1980, but I do recall even watching an old James Bond movie where one of the 'good guys' was shooting his revolver as if he was cracking a whip. Looks so dumb, but probably seemed legit to viewers at the time, they bought it just like they bought that crappy "Judo" they would do that was made up.

[@ratagris21]

Thanks for your explanations and presentations. They're very informative and entertaining as a part of learning of these cartridges. Great job!

[@GunSam]

Many thanks!

[@jeffkelly5972]

Great video and I love your loading bench .

[@stephanieroberts1394]

Thank you for this very important information.

[@TheJerrys1]

I have an LCR .327 that I bought for my daughter. It is loaded with the Magtech .32 S&W Long 98 gr. sjhp because the .32S&W Long is the round she can shoot the best of the three. I got the sjhp with nothing more than delusional hopes of expansion. I have to say your test showed this Magtech round to be superior to any competition in this caliber for self defense. I'm half tempted to say it was a fluke box that was loaded properly and the next box would be watered down. Thanks for posting great videos.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. I may have to test another box of it someday!

[@freedomfirst5420]

Another great video!👍👍

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@albertforletta1498]

Good info. Thank You Sam!

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@williammccaslin8527]

More powder = more bang, pretty simple physics I would say, thx for the vid.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching! However that .32 Long had some help with that soft point. I love how pure lead alters outcomes like with soft points or even pure lead bullets gaining 100 fps over their jacketed counterparts with the reduced friction.

[@charlene2400]

I use an old H&R 732 snubbie, with 32 S&W long wadcutters, only stuff I can find for it. Nice old gun, and worked for Leroy Brown

[@CeltKnight]

Another excellent video! Thanks for this one! As I've said before, the .32 is close to my heart and my current J-frame is a 6-shot in .32 S&W Long. I have a spare cylinder (I used to buy up parts like crazy long ago) that I've contemplated having reamed to .32 H&R (if memory serves, it only needs about .155" greater depth to chamber .32 H&R and I've heard rumors of some escaping the factory long ago that will Juuuusssst take a .32 H&R but never seen such). Anyway, after watching this, I think I'll just save that money and put it in the "buy the lightest .38 airlight I can find and afford" fund. I was VERY impressed with that Magtec .32 S&W Long round! I honestly expected no expansion but it did quite a bit of alright. A quick check online and I see them available for between $22 and $25 for a box of 50 (where available ... they apparently sell out quickly ... gee, I wonder why). That puts it really not much more than the cheapest RNL rounds and cheaper than some others. I'm still betting on these 115 gr hard cast lead flat points because I've seen them tumble so readily in water jugs, but I'm gonna see if I can find any of those Magtec JHPs around in any local shops too. Oh, you made some excellent points so I stand corrected on the .32 S&W (not long) comment from a while back. I based my experience on older ammo and manuals. I wasn't aware that industry standard was loading them with thinner rims now. In any case, you're right that even if it was a viable alternative round, most likely you aren't going to find them anywhere you can't find .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R. If one were in a terrible situation of needing his/her .32 revolver to go bang and could only lay hands upon .32 S&W rounds, I suspect they'd have much greater concerns than potentially piercing a primer on a very low pressure round, anyway. I have a Colt Police Positive in .32 Colt New Police (.32 S&W Long ... Colt wasn't about to put "S&W" on their barrel). It came to me with what I suppose is an out-of-spec firing pin as I found after shooting it WAY more fouling than I expected and upon inspecting the fired cases, found nearly every primer was pierced. Yet I was not burned and my glasses had no discernible extra bits of nastiness thereupon. Still, though, not a good thing at all and there's no need to fool with rounds that have that potential! Long, long ago I carried .32 acp round in my aforementioned j-frame .32. My old dept issued some good .32 acp ammo for backup guns so as it was essentially free ammo and worked in my gun (I ran a box through it to be sure), I used it. But I found reliability was very dependent upon brand (most worked but some did not). This of course meant I might have a box that worked but the next box from a different lot number might not so ... yeah ... silly idea on my part.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching! I think I may try some .32 ACP and .32 S&W at some point as people will probably want to see what I think. You're probably right about brand as primers can vary. If I were going to fire .32 ACP i'd probably do Federal as their primers are soft and what tuned out lightened revolvers prefer, so I would imagine they would be more reliable. I saw this same thing yesterday on a video, a guy was shooting .380 through a 9mm revolver and sure enough, some failed due to the same headspace/rim issue being further away, but the Federal ammo he tried all went bang as where others did not!

[@CeltKnight]

@@GunSam - Interesting. IIRC, the .32 acp round that worked in my revolver were Gold Dots and I THINK federal (and maybe WWB) FMJs worked for the limited amount of shooting I did. PPU ammo, however, had a significant failure rate of one or two per cylinder not going bang. Between ammo variances and variances in the specs of individual guns, it's all a hit-or-miss thing I'd assume. And man, .32 acp rattles like crazy when carried in a .32 S&W L revolver due to those thinner rim. LOL, almost gives it away that you're carrying. ;) Now days I like to think I'm more wise and save the .32 ACPs for my semi-autos and the .32 S&W (not longs) for my old break-top S&W Safety Hammerless.

[@mouthagapeape8732]

Another unexpected outcome Sam. Thanks for the video.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching!

[@robertfarrow4256]

The .327 Federal Magnum is easily overlooked, but this round is much less of a handful than .357 Mag. and looks pretty effective. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

[@GunSam]

In my experience, when the .327 Federal Mag gets into similar energy to a true snub .357 Mag like this .327 Federal Gold Dot does, the recoil is only a tiny amount less than .357 Mag. However, with normal low end .357 Mag VS mid range .327 Mag where both push out around 350 ft lbs energy, at that point the .327 Federal Mag has significantly less recoil than anything in it's power class even less than a similar weight 9mm pistol.

[@richardkut3976]

Thanks again.

[@ronparks7516]

Excellent video. The 327 Federal is an excellent short barrel cartridge. I would have liked to see all three cartridges tested with identical 85 grain bullets. Still informative.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. Ammo is difficult to find in the same bullet weight and especially the same bullet style. I may have to go get a die set for .32 H&R Mag, then maybe.

[@CHEECHMUN]

Nice. I have the Ruger SP101 for the .327

[@josephwinlock1429]

Me too ...any sticky empty rds in cylinder??? Just hear stories

[@scubaguy007]

As much as I like the idea of the .327 Federal magnum I personally just can’t add a new caliber (.32 calibers) to my collection. If I ever win the lottery I would definitely add this one. The Ruger SP101 has been on my lust for a long time. 😏 I would also love to have a Henry rifle chambered in the .327 Federal magnum. Thanks for all your videos, I find them entertaining and informative.

[@GeographyCzar]

Four hundred foot pounds from a snubbie? No wonder it felt like a 357 Magnum! H*** S***! I had no idea... 327 Federal is for real!

[@GunSam]

It was giving me more power in the summer with the same round. I really am hesitant to try Buffalo Bore's .327 Federal magnum!

[@charlesschenck911]

.32 S&W "short" is a really great Plinking round.

[@Nutty.357]

Would be cool to see a modern remake of this one with some gel and practical accuracy like you're currently doing! I am glad to have some of that magtech hard to find! I really like the 327 mag be a good one to have! 👍

[@GunSam]

.327 Federal Gold Dot: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4qTmX2NmrWUq5o Magtech .32 Long SJHP: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIbLi4qwn8-BnLs And if I have tested the .32 H&R in gel, I can't remember what the video is called.

[@Nutty.357]

Thanks I am going to watch that 32 sjhp one!

[@Nutty.357]

Again* lol

[@kirkboswell2575]

Your reasoning is sound and your explanations clear and on point. But I disagree with the exclusion of the 32 S&W short. The Short has always been considered an acceptable substitute in revolvers chambered in 32 Long. This was even with revolvers with fixed firing pins and firing pins now are generally floating which reduces the chances of piercing. Add the fact that the Short only reaches 650 fps with an 88 grain bullet - Its not a high pressure round. In fact it's considered an obsolete cartridge. You are quite right about cost. A box of Shorts runs $35/50 - if you can find them. Longs are about half that. The only real reason for using Shorts is to bring a new shooter along who is recoil sensitive, so they can transition to better cartridges without developing bad habits. Yes, about the 32 acp. Yes, they will fire, but I don't know anyone who is knowledgeable who considers the practice a good idea.

[@GunSam]

The issue I have with .32 S&W Short beyond the rim thickness is that the base and neck diameter are .035" and .034" as where the .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R and .327 all have a rim and neck diameter of .037". I know this is splitting hairs but I feel like it's not truly compatible even if it fires fine.

[@kirkboswell2575]

@@GunSam - Fair enough. Sometimes splitting hairs is a good thing.

[@joshuabrown4030]

I would not have believed a 32 s&w long would expand (at all) and penetrate that nicely. Really thought it was pushing the velocity floor.

[@patriciastauffer3278]

I use to run a trap line and occasionally would see a fox or coyote at a distance I didn't want to shoot him at with a .22 lr revolver. I got a .32 H&R mag and use .32 S&W (short) for trapped animals. It worked very well for the intended purpose. Using this method allowed me to chamber one mild round with 5 "full house" rounds very quickly changing from one to another depending on the situation.

[@GunSam]

Revolvers are awesome like that. I also like how the .357 can chamber 4 cartridges but both platforms are not even for ammo availability. Of course .357/.38 is by far more popular than .327/.32 H&R, however going down the .32 S&W Long, that one is 20 times more available than .38 Long Colt and .32 ACP is probably 10 times more available than .38 Short Colt

[@gamerdaddy8597]

Informative.

[@advrajeevpandey8014]

Very nice and informative video brother. I keep a .32 bore revolver.

[@MarkA6]

Would like to get the 327 and use 32 S&W long for the wife and kids to practice with. But concerned that the ammo might not be around enough to justify the cost. Might make more sense to use the 22LR.. but… just love the idea of using 3 different types of ammo in one revolver!

[@janmale7767]

Here in sunny South Africa ,32 ammo is almost twice the price of .38 special and hard to come by!

[@Ford360CID]

Sam that was well informative not many people would have taken the time let alone research the spec's of each cartridge to really determine whether the .32 a.c.p and .32 s&w were safe to fire safely in the revolver designed to fire a cartridge with a rim thickness smaller than that of the 3 .32 caliber cartridges mentioned and most likely the shooter using the .32 a.c.p and .32 s&w were using factory ammo which resulted in a very modest loading, had somebody hand loaded those cartridges to a max charge could of had different results, as always Sam great video's with your .32 caliber series BTW you may want to look up the history of the arming of police in the U.S.A starting in 1896 in new York city by our then former president city police commissioner Theodore Roosevelt arming and starting a firearms training program that the rest of the big cities in the u.s would follow..all were issued the colt 4" bbl .32 s&w long with a 98gn lead RN cartridge until about 1920's when the police felt they needed more stopping power and switched over to the .38 spl. thou the .38 spl was used way before that during the beginning of the 20th century but the .32 long was not entirely fazed out from police duty just yet.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. I will have to do some more research!

[@COPDAD60632]

Great video as always,

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@l.peytonadams8570]

Very informative and well done.

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@jamesmarkov9570]

Great presentation as usual. Taurus squeezed 6 rounds in a 38 snub nose with the m856. Heard charter arms is tinkering with a 7 shot 32 magnum?

[@GunSam]

Thanks. I have heard of that Charter Arms Professional. Sort of an interesting concept.

[@Pointblank2U]

Charter also makes a 5 shot Undercoverette in 32 H&R.

[@noahmercy-mann4323]

Weird tidbit: SAAMI pressures for the old 32 S&W are actually higher than the 32 S&W Long. I load 32 S&W for some old top-breaks in that caliber, so I mic'ed the rim thickness on some of my brass just to see if I could run it in my 327 without worrying about primer setback or piercing. Vintage Remington brass (circa 1960s/1970s), and it measured .043", so it is fine for use in other 32-chambered firearms, but obviously there can be dramatic variations in dimensions by manufacturer and date, so your advice to steer clear of the mouse cartridges is solid for the average shooter. I figure the ACP and 32 S&W are best relegated to "SHTF" duty if nothing more appropriate is available.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for the info. I think at some point I will try .32 ACP and or .32 S&W just to see how it does, but if I were to load them i'd probably use Federal primers for sure.

[@richki.24]

I've been considering the Ruger SP101 4.2" bbl in 327 Federal Mag ...

[@michigunsanta8680]

I have the LCR which is my winter coat pocket carry but my favorite is my 6” GP 100 with the rubber grips it really tamed the federal magnums the thing is a tank! I never shot the SP101...

[@talon2pro]

My wife has one as her primary weapon. 100g projectile moving at 1500.327 is her carry load. 500 ft-lbs. of nasty Muzzle Energy.

[@richki.24]

@@talon2pro Nice ...

[@JoeMama-vj8es]

Yep... 3" would be perfect!!

[@chrissizemore745]

ruger sp 101

[@jtns2845]

i just added a 327 barrel to my bond arms derringer because the only ammo to be had now at not unreasonable prices is various 32 revolver ammo.

[@ТатьянаГордюшина-х4д]

.32 Rules!!!

[@richardphillips2251]

Awesome as usual

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@Jerry-Parker]

Excellent video !

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@tomconner2326]

Finally someone found a use for bologna.