The Ancient Greek Arrow Machine Gun! | MythBusters | Season 7 Episode 19 | Full Episode

[@krokodil191]

I am teenager again...watching this on Discovery Channel with subtitles in parents living room. Good old times. Thank you Mythbusters for great memories.

[@rustythecrown9317]

Twas a great show indeed. I loved how they evolved , but the last couple of seasons were a slight let down.

[@capitalknockers666]

@@rustythecrown9317 The producers didn't think Kari, Tory and Grant were worth the money, and the show suffered for it. Still good, but it just wasn't the same.

[@DeezNuts-kl2te]

same

[@udalix]

I watch nearly everything with subtitles, if their available that is.. damn you just called me old.

[@nacl4988]

The Arrow machine's rate of fire also has another benefit. In a tightly packed group, It doesn't matter if you miss the target, You'll hit someone else. And if they had more than... like 5 days to make it, It would probably turn out pretty robust

[@friskydrinklunkybank1108]

Another thing to add is, it would be easier to get people to turn a crank rather than train them how to shoot with accuracy and proper form should this be a thing in the past.

[@Jebu911]

@@friskydrinklunkybank1108 Alltho this design seems pretty bad compared to scorpio ballista. Those required only one operator and still do a decent 4+ shots a minute. Could also increase the crew size to 2 with reloader to reach even higher firerates.

[@friskydrinklunkybank1108]

@Jebu911 no denying that for sure. I was just pointing out that even if its not the most ideal version. A weapon that you can hand to your average joe and that person is able to use rather effectively is great in theory.

[@KandiKlover]

I'm also kind of doubtful it was arrows. That would be pointless and a waste of time. The original design papers looked more like an Arbalest built in the style of a chinese repeating crossbow. Whereas jamie used a weak hand bow.

[@joshualingard6676]

you would hit a car going through a red light just metres in front of you whether you were sober or not lol

[@borntoclimb7116]

Correct

[@kevinmorrice]

grew up on a street with traffic lights, and someone died on it almost twice a year, once had a crash happen about 5 feet away from me where it was fatal on impact edit: it was a countryside crossroads with a very long straight section, so dumb teens floor it and run lights just to see how fast they can go, usually these kids were only just new drivers, and the fatalities were usually the innocent people trying to drive home after work

[@dungeonsanddobbers2683]

If they wanted to properly test the myth, they should have had Kari and Tory drive the circuits sober in order to get baseline data on how good their driving was before having them do the circuits in an effected state.

[@Inklenation]

Yes!… but if you’re drunk it won’t hurt as much?!

[@idkcba]

That is true

[@eenayeah]

Adam: "I'm gonna go eat something that was living." One of the funniest things I've ever heard on this show 🤣🤣

[@karelhoogendoorn]

Mythbusters might be the best long running "reality" show ever made. The mix of science and humor is so good. When Kari, Grant and Tori left it wasn't the same and the quality went down, but I still love watching this!

[@chaoticdragoncherry6939]

Grant is dead

[@AeonLibertas]

@@chaoticdragoncherry6939 Yes, he died *after* leaving the show together with the other two. Your point being...?

[@chaoticdragoncherry6939]

@@AeonLibertas one to inform, 2 not for you

[@udalix]

Best part of the show is how badly they mess up their experiments and leave their audience to argue how they could have done it better.

[@haroldcruz8550]

Though they should have needed more work in their costume dept. The machine gun like arrow was about a Greek myth yet they wear Roman replica armor lorica segmentata

[@snowywelsh]

The ingenuity in the arrow machine gun is tremendous. I'd forgotten how good it was.

[@lukasr.5839]

8:00 "Drinking & driving": During my studies 20 years ago in Switzerland (Kanton Schwyz) I was told that some 100 years ago a man there caused a car accident and injured a person while being drunk was acquitted in court on this ground: "It wasn't his fault because he was drunk and therefore "naturally" couldn't react in time!" - Good old times! :D

[@idkcba]

Now THAT is a defence for the ages

[@timthompson7205]

As a truck driver I don't feel like this was an accurate test. The problem with driving sleep deprived isn't just being tired. It's more so the fact that you're sitting still in the exact same place the entire time. It's as if you're laying in bed. These guys are getting in and out of the vehicle and doing this during the day time. They're getting fresh air and moving around. That's not the case for truck drivers. We can't just pull over anywhere we want to get out and stretch. That's why we end up sleep deprived in the first place, we have to get to the next truck stop which can be hours away.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yup, sitting down is close enough to lying down, you keep napping off.

[@alaric_]

Also usually people crank the heater to the comfortable level which is 'warm'. Staying put, warm, soft seat and usually the driving while tired is done during night so it's dark. Literally the perfect conditions to falling asleep. This is why truck drivers are mandated by law to have rest periods. They can be monitored with the electric logging devices. Passenger vehicles and individuals simply can't due to the sheer numbers. Although in Finland being very tired can be used equally with DUI to issue penalties as both impairs driving. No other tests for it but the policeman's investigation on the road but unlike in US, cops here are fair and overwhelmingly trusted.

[@timthompson7205]

@@alaric_ here in Canada we do have regulations regarding breaks. However it only states that you have to have at least 2 30 minute breaks in a 14 hour shift. I used to drive through the Rocky Mountains. Sometimes it's 2 hours before the next stop. If it's a small town or just a truck stop there's a good chance it's full too. The roads can't accommodate people sleeping on the side of the road. You really have to plan ahead and even then you still drive tired sometimes.

[@flykintoun]

The test was that sleep deprivation is as bad as being intoxicated, this pretty much proved that, and what you're saying reinforces that

[@timthompson7205]

@@flykintoun no shit you fucking moron. You know how to read?

[@JohnSmith-ef2rn]

I absolutely agree. I've made the mistake of driving while tired twice - the first time I was so tired I used a slip lane without checking and hit a ute, damaging the back of it a little (it was a low speed accident - no one was hurt, but I was very rattled). The second time was during highway driving and I scared the hell out of myself when I found myself in the middle of the road, covering both lanes, and the worst thing is that I didn't even know how long I was doing that for! Luckily there was no one sharing that stretch of road with me, but I could have killed someone else. It was horribly irresponsible for me to do it, and I never will drive tired again, under any circumstances. And yes, both times, driving in the city is relatively safe, but minute I got onto a long stretch of highway, where I had to do nothing but go straight - that was when my eyelids felt heavy and my I felt like sleeping. Driving while tired absolutely kills people. Do not do it.

[@JaceTan-90]

I would say, for highway driving, mentally prep yourself with activities that could make you awake, like checking your mirrors, seeing which cars pass by, check the sceneries in between, listening to some good music and singing along with it, basically anything to keep you awake but not agitate you or too calming.

[@herrgrabarske]

Jörg had to see this and Adam has to watch the instant Legolas.

[@CH3FFI3]

Todd would be foaming at the mouth if he sees this.

[@herrgrabarske]

@@CH3FFI3 I hope!

[@Yorick257]

I think Todd saw it. He was working in a similar field. I also think that both will find it plausible too. Todd bashed on a Hollywood tiny arrow machine gun, but this thing is like his catapult

[@MrProthall]

Jörg Sprave? Kinda sad he became such a cunt.

[@Cahirable]

I remember this episode. I can remember trying to "design" a pump action crossbow based on plans I found for the polybolos on the internet and having ideas about water mill powered versions. There are so many issues with their design that I see now, as someone who was inspired by them to look into ancient siege engines, but *damn* it's such a good memory.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The idea is indeed plausible, but there were weakpoints. The repeated feeding issues and the broken bow are good examples. Guess I would've stringed the bow in instead of using a bolt, to avoid it breaking at the exact point their bow broke. And the polybolos is interesting. Leads you down a rabbit hole of ancient weaponry.

[@asdads3948]

Water mill powered? I see two situations where this weapon could be useful, in the field or on the wall of a castle defending a city. Both make it very, very impractical to be powered by water.

[@Cahirable]

@@HappyBeezerStudios The original would have been torsion, rather than tension, powered, so that removes another failure point. The original cammed feed mechanism probably also would have been less prone to jamming, despite a little more complexity.

[@Cahirable]

@@asdads3948 not as difficult, on the face of it, as you'd think, but 14 year old me really didn't understand friction losses or how close to the mill it would need to be to avoid them.

[@rayzalaf8988]

I always drink before I drive, there's nothing worse than having an accident when you're stone cold sober.

[@rogytomaru586]

more and more day i appreciate the animation from editor which simple, goffy, understandable and relatable in many ways

[@Valfaun]

i'm most surprised about how close the performance of the launcher and the archer were. i was certain that even an average trained archer would've beaten or at least matched the machine. but i guess taking aim to hit distant targets takes longer than i thought

[@nighthunter3039]

And now imagine it was tourge based like a Balista or Scorpion, you would get much more power out of it than Adam and Jamie did with their construction

[@MrMarinus18]

Ancient archery was different from modern archery. They didn't have the precise machining that we have today or all the stabilizing mechanics so long range accuracy was not really possible. What you see in movies where an archer take aim at someone several hundreds meters away and hits him perfectly is pure fiction. Sniping only really came into existence when rifles were well developed and even then remained fairly niche until WW1. Ancient archery was much more about strength and rate of fire than accuracy. Ancient bows were almost twice as heavy to pull back as modern bows so archers were usually big burly men.

[@nighthunter3039]

​@MrMarinus18 and often hade deformations in the shoulder and arm bones from useing bows.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Reports of ancient and medieval archery went up to 12 arrows per minute. Which means three archers instead of three men operating the machine could loose over 30 arrows per minute. The sheer volume of fire would outperform the machine. And bows were much heavier than the 70 lb bow they built. That is basically the lower end for medieval warbows, they can go up to 130-150 lb, and some examples were 180+

[@Phosphorcracker-lw4oo]

The distance makes the difference. At 10 yards the archer would have triple the shots per minute if not even faster when sacrificing accuracy for speed.

[@PlutoTheSecond]

They forgot to do a control on the driving test.

[@omnirath]

It wasn’t needed the myth was drunk vs sleep deprived not how much those two influences one’s driving abilities

[@leatherman6328]

You’re right. Maybe Kari drives that bad sober!

[@Red0Leader]

They probably did do one I just suspect it got cut for time. The crew have been pretty open about the fact a lot of stuff gets left out of the show for one reason or another.

[@asbjrnmaus7666]

@@Red0Leader in that case they should show it on the chart.

[@flykintoun]

There's no need, they're not comparing an impaired state to an unimpaired state, they're comparing two impaired states to each other

[@triumvir_hunt]

jorg sprave has made a mashinegun crosbow that can do what they tried. all with old fashioned materials and crafts

[@wombat4191]

Might be based on the Chinese Chu-ko-nu. Quite a neat little invention, though I'm not sure if they had the same range and stopping power.

[@gurdimeikenskjaldi5060]

@@wombat4191 I didn't check Jorg Sprave but I've seen various reconstruction, working ones too, of what is probably this repeating crossbow. You usually see it used in roman reenactment (it's likely it's been used by romans in a few situations) but the project was of Ellenistic greek world origin. if the Chu-ko-nu is what I think is, it should be that sort of repeating crossbow that vaguely works like a lever action rifle, is it?

[@maszkalman3676]

It's an ameriocan "reality show" don't expect them to be actually based on reality myth busters msotly oaky but soem episodes are like the ghost hunting shows... 🤣😆🤣😆

[@noobiesmurf]

The historical record is pretty Spartan.

[@fuzzyhair321]

Ancient greece, shows roman legionaries

[@CostaZaf]

pissed me right off

[@VeilingSun]

21:03 Just gotta say, as impressive as the auto-ballista was, this was even more impressive.

[@qoilmdimibmliopqoilmdimibm7589]

I remember this one, def my favourite, I love when they are building/engeneering something❤

[@sagrud]

That tired vs. tipsy car driving is one of my most vivid memories of the entire Mythbusters show. Nice to see it once more

[@tsm688]

why were you so mad?

[@sagrud]

@@tsm688 lost in translation

[@AbedIsBatman]

One of their best episodes

[@aaronjaggan]

When you see that blank screen before the rolling credits at the end...you continue to hope that the show would go longer...and when the credits and song come up..ur heart sink to the floor in disappointment.

[@heetsees]

The fact that these episodes are free is a gift from Christ.

[@888johnmac]

i remember this episode from being a kid ... as an adult i LOL'd at the blow-up soldiers ..... may have to see how many other gags went straight over my head

[@vlad3967]

It would be fun for Adams Tested to take a look at Jorge Spraves Instant Legolas :D

[@richardelder6519]

I LOVE this Episode!🤩🤩🤩Bloody BRILLIANT!!😍🥰😎

[@dudamesh9541]

one of my favorite episodes

[@laladieladada]

Cool to see kari was already making her burned skulls way back then. 32:04

[@hypermonk33y56]

being sleep deprived is the same as being a zombie. trust me i experienced it before. sure when you were younger you can recover faster but as you get older its harder

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

You'Ve experienced being a zombie?!?!?!? 🤣

[@ADI121195]

That tipsy driving test was flawed because the sensors for the lines were not within the cars body they stuck out loads

[@borntoclimb7116]

The greek machine gun works pretty well in the end, this remind me on the slingshot channel.

[@AntonsVoice]

And the tinkering required was why Siege Engineers were a necessity for any armies with siege engines in them. Yes. The Scorpion auto ballista is classed as a siege engine, though it was more meant to hit groups of tightly packed infantry, then wooden walls or gates.

[@konstas26]

Alright from Greece.only one thing....i think savage was dressed like a roman legeonarious than greek...

[@ao1778]

And he keeps calling Jamie a "centurion" 🤦🏻‍♂️. Complete idiot.

[@maszkalman3676]

A spirit halloween roman to be sure... but that's just shows how inteligent americans are...

[@iamme625]

@@maszkalman3676 Or maybe he just wore whatever he had on hand and didn't bother getting an entirely new costume for one episode

[@IIIAnchani]

Here in Germany, legal limit is .05% BAC. At that amount, I already feel quite drunk and wouldn't drive. Can't believe the legal limit in the US is .08%. Unless you're a regular drinker that amount makes you hella drunk.

[@leatherman6328]

.08% here in Canada as well.

[@Megoover]

After just one can I walk less straight and cautious, forget driving

[@bradyelich2745]

@@leatherman6328 Provincial laws are tougher with 24 hour suspensions at 0.04 (SK) or 0.05 except PQ and Yukon. PQ is still federal 0.08 and Yukon is police has reasonable grounds driver is impaired. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impaired_driving_in_Canada

[@rustythecrown9317]

''Of course I'm driving , I'm too drunk to walk''.

[@MrMarinus18]

In the US cars are mandatory in many parts. Transit sucks, bicycle roads don't exist and even in cities speeds are so high it's suicide to be on the road in anything other than a car.

[@simonstergaard]

finally an episode i have not seen before...i dont have flow tv

[@IgorDefranchi]

Best quote ever 46:53

[@Not_An_EV]

Them: "Describe what its like to be an engineer in one sentence" Me: 0:27

[@eenayeah]

That arrow machine gun is an engineering marvel... Absolutely love it and would love to use in real life...

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

first problem was th

[@Gencrossbones]

Tbh a ballista is a giant crossbow and these are the ones that ancient greece did use. And there are medium sized designs which is called the Scorpio (yes its a roman name but both romans and greeks use the same thing) which are basically the in between the Ballista and the Crossbow (basically its larger than a crossbow but smaller than a ballista) The greeks can make a repeating version of the medium sized one since those things already use a crank to pull the spring back. Edit my sleep deprived brain wrote this wrong i meant the what is essentially mounted larger crossbow is the Scorpio not the Scorpio being a repeating system

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

@@Gencrossbones no it isn't a balista and crossbow are two very different devices,.

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

@@Gencrossbones the polibolos is a system from the first century CE, the scorpion is a small balista but it was not a repeating system, learn before saying things.

[@Gencrossbones]

@@JoaoSoares-rs6ec i said the greeks can make a scorpio work similar to the chinese Chi Ku Nu which has a crossbow and a scorpio sized which is the entire point of this episode and I'm they did made one. And I was wrong with the Ballista since it has a different system and its design to be a siege weapon.

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

@@Gencrossbones that's not the scorpion, the one you are referring to it's the polibolos. The point of the myth is about a balista, that thing is a crossbow, the chi ku nu is a crossbow, the scorpion is a balista, the polibolos is a balista.

[@dazisback2]

Centurion Bilko ready for service sir :)

[@mathewhill5161]

Man .. if they could work out all the kinks in the repeater arrow firing device .. imagine what a couple hundred of them would do to an ancient battlefield.

[@redartifice]

The tpu dovetail should be printed in a different orientation- the shear force is along the same vector as where the weight is, it's likely to split

[@DeetexSeraphine]

I would argue that this counts as the most literal interpritation of a Chain Gun.

[@krikkrakvollenbak5892]

They shouldnt have used a rat in the driving test, a remote control traffic light would have been better. Choosing between hitting a rat and possibly losing control over your car to avoid it the choice is easily made, a stopping light doesnt have that.

[@robreneau2959]

They made the assumption that Kari and Tory could drive the course sober without making mistakes. A regular bow and arrow can be lethal but they never tested the lethality of their device at range.

[@siwone532]

Tod's Workshop has a cool video on a catapulta that fires larger bolts and is more historically accurate but not a repeater. Would be cool to see someone build this repeater to use larger bolts like it probably would've at the time if it existed.

[@LaraCroftCP]

@35:23 Ouch! Sensible parts were hit.

[@Redneck-kw6hh]

bit overkill with the sprockets and chains o.O still awsome

[@PlutoTheSecond]

I always laugh at 31:28. 😂

[@scopsowl123]

Wish theyed added an extra to the sleep deprived myth, apparently even a 15 minute sleep can revive you enough to drive properly, wish theyed added that factor in.

[@michew5451]

From a design perspective, placing the eyes on the side of the lion's head is preferable. This is because the lion is typically viewed from the sides to avoid being in the line of fire. Additionally, it pays homage to medieval and Viking times (whether intentional or not), when the figureheads of boats often had considerable detail on the sides rather than the front. From a realism perspective, the eyes should be on the front, as the lion is a predator. Forward-facing eyes allow predators to use binocular vision, allowing them to focus on a target and determine how far away it is.

[@janzizka9963]

This is calling for Jorg Sprave, The Slingshot channel.

[@JohnTrustworthy]

I guess the main reason the machine crossbow isn't a mainstay thing is cause you can just get the guys towing it to do the jobs the machine automates. Still, I wonder if it is possible to increase its "caliber" and make several cranks so that everyone can be taking part in it, so that you have the speed of an archer but a far larger bolt.

[@TheNIX001]

That whole demonstration scene at around 7:15 is totally messed up. Arrows change from red to wooden ones, arrows disappear or come out from no where...

[@dannyherbert4482]

The danger with driving tired is long straight stretches of road, if you're weaving in and out of cones you're gonna stay aware and awake. You'd have to do another test on a long straight to get the full picture

[@harlyquin]

21:55 roads aren't this narrow and what they show would not be endangering peoples lives when they say crossing over the line, looks like most of it was the large sensor sticking out the side

[@Wampa842]

I used to work in a factory with morning/night/afternoon shifts rotating weekly, getting poor quality sleep and existing in constant jet lag, for three years straight. I can confidently say one thing: microsleep is an insidious fucker. Fortunately it only happened twice, and at a red light. I pulled into a parking lot and slept until noon. When I told my doctor, she took me off work for two weeks with 100% pay (yay for actual healthcare laws) and basically told me to find another job before I unalived myself or someone else. I don't know about driving tipsy (yay for zero tolerance laws too), but I was definitely a danger when I was sleep-deprived.

[@fabianmckenna8197]

Absolutely........ Did two different fulltime jobs of dayshift driving and nightshift 24 hour service station getting three hours maximum sleep per night which you surprisingly get used to. Problem occurred when I got only one hour sleep one evening so after 23 hours awake , I did another eight hours driving and it was hell as I tried to concentrate! Never again as I approached my motorway exit, I zoned out and "woke up" two miles away on the wrong road, stopped at a roundabout with a car beeping behind me. Three hours sleep per night was hard going but I made it Sunday night to Friday evening and just died at the weekend to recover. Not recommended......

[@patrikhjorth3291]

So, do you think Adam dressed up as a roman soldier to test a myth about Ancient Greece just because he knew it would draw lots of comments?

[@TheGreatThicc]

Round about that time was when Rome conquered Greece so it kinda works.

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

Kinda makes me wanna have a go at making one for myself.

[@red.menace0074]

Wanna do it? 😏

[@salvadorsempere1701]

Dionysious of Alexandria build. Adams wears an Imperial Roman Armour. About as accurate as if you wear an English civil war suit with an M-16

[@omnirath]

I think Adams do cosplay because he enjoys it not because he seeks any kind of historical accuracy

[@skeevythewizzard5465]

@@omnirath Indded. Also don`t think any roman ever wear jeans.

[@georgg.5730]

@@omnirath Of course he does. But I'd have liked to see what would have happened in the comments when he had worn napoleonic French duds in a US civil war episode...

[@888johnmac]

lol , pretty sure those aren't period correct jeans either

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

pair the roman armor with the M16 and you get 40k in a nutshell

[@DarkInos]

Yee oldie bows are completely different... the olympic shooting is on precision, heavy bow.. not heavy load on the string. Completely different.

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

Yeah, "let's compare our machine with what a human soldier could do instead" - and they get the best archer from a country of several hundred million people with a stabilized, CAD-designed Olympic archery bow... That's like, "Let's compare our replacement machine for a moderately trained boxer with Mike Tyson in his best years!" They have some really good tests every now and then, but then we get these reminders that this was first and foremost an entertainment show.

[@jelle839]

Its not ment to be 100% accuracy, its to give you an idea. You can still decide for yourself based on the results. These things are impossible to test at home

[@finnbriscoe82]

Yeah war bows were in excess of 100 pound draw weight. And the target bows are about 50 pounds.

[@Hato1992]

With arrow machine gun there are few things guys didn't take account for: 1. Back then they used much heavier bows than nowadays. Bow that is concidered heavy today it around 80lb. Back in medieval times it was medium bow. Heavy bows had 120lb. And it was probably similar to ancient times. 2. During medieval times archers invented different type of shoting. They put 6 arrows into ground in line. Then when they shot arrow, they grabbed arrow with string right from ground and while was straight up they already draw bow, because there is different method to draw such heavy bow. You draw it with your backs, not your hands. 3. Lastly, archer formations never tried to shot a single soldier. They usually shot arrows into air, creating flurry of arrows rain on enemies heads. Of course I listed all medieval tactics, but in ancient times it probably was somehow similar to this.

[@humanafterallTF2]

The Greek bow gun would have benefitted having rope spring system. Rope spring feels like it would be very long lasting solution. I just quickly glanced at the roman scorpio bow gun and it had a system like that.

[@tsm688]

That flaming rat out of context made me laugh

[@Decastorm666]

One of my family members was tired and drunk while driving and he managed to parralel park his 2019 nissan between a minivan and a telsa without touching them. How is still a mystery

[@mweskamppp]

Jörg Sprave would be proud of it, as he made the automatic Legoals for archers. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIWtn6yHYseNgrc And then you have the real modern legolas. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHaqXp-vbtmEfc0 lots of discussion - some unnecessary things in the video but look at this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/opqrnXaIpbhqZs0 i would prefer the mongolian army as cavalry. He does not say this is how the comanche did it but what people wrote about what the comanche were capable of is possible. He uses mostly a 50 pounds bow what is not considered a war bow by old english standard but good enough for hunting and against unprotected enemies.

[@joserizal9845]

You have to love that evil laugh of Adam

[@888johnmac]

naah , Jamies evil laugh is even more disturbing .. lol

[@harlyquin]

24:59 when people run a red light you generally hit or get hit by them weather your have been drinking or not

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

Kari Byron with the "Smokin'" tshirt... Yeah she was 😍 Hell she's still got it.

[@pelleban]

The most amazing thing about this is that USA has a legal limit which in my country would lead to suspended license and a lot of public shame. Driving a car legally at 0,07 is insane.

[@dextrmkvii]

the fact i can watch this on yt for free with skippable ads, compared to amazon prime where im watching 3 unskippable ads in a row per episode and im paying $14CAD a month, bUt aT lEaSt i cAn wAtCh eVeRy ePiSoDe

[@TheHutchy01]

Is 45ml a standard US shot? Here in the UK 25ml is a statutory single, and 50ml a double. Also the arrow machine gun does make a little sense when you remember the old aphorism that to make a good archer, you start with his grandfather whereas anyone could use the machine bow.

[@600wheel]

Those chains and sprockets are a little overkill we use those in sawmills for hauling tons of logs across a deck

[@tsm688]

a bicycle chain would have done, but that's fancy enough metalwork the ancient greeks might have problems.

[@xibzorx]

yep those alcohol limits are bs. got even better lap times on track after few beers 😂

[@techpriest4787]

I do not think that it is about fire rate but strength instead. A normal arrow may perhaps not penetrate heavy armor with one shot? Essentially it is the canon of the arrow world. Big weapons against big targets. Perhaps animals too? Also it could be used as a cover against enemy arrows. But that would require a few upgrades. It is a very special weapon that requires very special handling. Its maintenance is nightmare. Its use case could cover narrow city streets because its frankly slow aim rate. Real targets will not just stand around. But in tight streets you just gun down amybody who tries to storm it.

[@MrMarinus18]

A problem at the time though is that armies didn't really have supply lines, they just lived off the land. With a complex machine like that things will break so you need a constant stream of spare parts. Making new parts on sight just takes way too long and you also didn't have stationary armies as they would starve. On top of that getting accurate components for machines in large numbers was very hard since they all had to be made by hand by imperfect humans. Machines didn't really enter the battlefield until the middle of the 19th century when trains and mass manufacturing allowed for both the supply and the transport of massive number of spare parts, when mandatory public education made sure you had a vast number of people who knew to read instructions and have the communication equipment for large scale logestic operations. In industrial warfare the supply of spare parts and having an educated average soldier is critical. You have professional mechanics but they don't have the time to fix every minor problem so you need people who can read and understand mechanics.

[@MrMarinus18]

A sophisticated machine is only useful if you have the sophisticated logistics, manufacturing and soldery to support it and in ancient Greece that was clearly not the case. After all you don't want to go through the hassle of lugging that massive thing around and spend enormous amounts of money to maintain it only for it to not work on the day of battle.

[@techpriest4787]

@MrMarinus18 Yep. I am sure we can thank the 2 industrial revolutions for WW1 and 2. WW3 is just in time around the corner for the 4th industrial revolution.

[@fabianmckenna8197]

Looks like our "Greek heroes" figured it out in the field so what's the odds that the Greeks would have used testing to finally solve their problems. Also using several of those as defensive weapons behind city walls you'd have great distance advantage especially against mounted riders as those things would easily take out a horse.

[@AkiSan0]

now if they used something like a 200 pound string and full size arrows.. this would be deadly for sure.

[@DeadAndAliveCat]

Lmao it's hilarious to rewatch as an adult and realize just how hard they overplayed their drunkenness every time they test a myth where they have to drink

[@leoa4c]

I think that the "tipsy vs tired test" was somewhat erroneous, as they did not establish a sober and rested baseline. For all we know, some of the penalties were just simple driving errors, not necessarily due to any other factors.

[@XxDemon23xX]

at 15:47 that a poor visual representation of the data? Range = 600ft + 200yards, with the result being 690ft / 230 yards. I get what they mean, but the way its posed as an equation makes it nonsense. Or is that just me?

[@MantraHerbInchSin]

I usually get pretty strong visual and some auditory hallucinations when I get to 3 days of no sleep. Like, seeing stuff move on the periphery, hearing stuff. Happened many times to me unfortunately. Some times I just can´t fall asleep for days. Btw... Are you even allowed to sleep in your car? I know that in some places, that is a big no. For some divinely thought up reason

[@roelantverhoeven371]

i think its clear that was a novelty weapon that did not catch on, too expensive and time consuming to build against too much risk of misfires because of technical problems with all those moving parts!

[@JayM409]

Myth busters seems confused about the differences between Greeks and Romans.

[@mementomori5580]

The thing is, even if the "Arrow Machine Gun" wasn't as good as a Human Archer, it would still be good to have for the same reason that we have the Crossbow: Much less training needed to be effective with it! Being a good Archer is HARD and needs a lot of training and strength to be able to do it. But with this contraption, that falls all out of the window, which is the reason that the Crossbow was so successful, because with a minimum amount of training you could arm a peasant army with it and be very deadly and effective.

[@MrMarinus18]

12:43 That is the size of a real brown rat. They are a lot larger than many people think they are.

[@monofame]

After watching I have the slight feeling that they don’t just tell the myths…

[@andrew-know]

R.I.P Grant

[@sharkforce8147]

... 5 rounds a minute, so... he managed to invent a crew-served weapon that shoots arrows a little further than an actual archer, but at a much slower rate of fire then? I have a guess as to why there are no surviving copies of this machine: you can do the same job with one person and without the need to carry around a heavy machine, so they only made one. (not the mythbusters, their version has a pretty solid rate of fire, though they had a few kinks to work out. The ancient Greek inventor, on the other hand...)

[@ao1778]

Do they seriously not realize that there's a difference between Greeks and Romans...? Why tf are they calling each other "centurion" 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@icemanespoo2977]

For americans Greece and Italy are close enough. Also time difference of couple hundred years about two thousand years is also close enough.

[@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid]

@@icemanespoo2977 😂🤦‍♂👎

[@Jethro.Maloku-le.Rey.Kalsitran]

I drove a lot of time drunk when teenager and never loose control but I awoke once rolling on the ground between the opposite lanes of an highway when I drove back home after a concert and had to sleep (badly) on a chair in a station... the highway is the worse scenario when you need some sleep. from own experiments, tipsy vs drunk conclusions totally confirmed : if tired and have to drive, drink some alcohol before to go to avoid having a crash stupidly sober 😂

[@jarrodbright5231]

Wow I never knew Dionysus the Elder visited the High Elves of Ulthuan!

[@darrellbeets7758]

its best to combine the 2, drive drunk and sleepy.

[@zsoltbocsi7546]

I think they would use torsion artillery instead of a big bow one

[@aurochf1]

At least being tired doesn't make you overconfident.

[@SpeedBrain666]

This proved my point driving tired is worse than tipsy... But having a upper so you can do your driving job not as tired is wrong?

[@ryttyr14]

Did he say "Both are technically legal"? At least where I live both driving tipsy and driving whilst so tired it affects your driving are highly illegal.

[@steveforster9764]

Five arrows a minute the English/Welsh longbowman could 10 + a minute but it was tiring

[@MichaelKingsfordGray]

But for the cost of that machine and its transport, they could have hired 100 bowmen, in ranks!

[@kyuofcosmic]

@@MichaelKingsfordGrayyeah but the machine won’t talk back

[@docholiday7975]

Although archers had issues with being on campaign. Lack of sleep, poor rations, cold, exhaustion and illness could all conspire to make an archer unable to draw their bow properly. It's off the back of this that Humphrey Barwick argued for the adoption of firearms over continuing to use longbows amongst other reasons back in the 16th C. With a bit of maintenance and care you can have machine do what a person does all day long with tiring.

[@pelleban]

35:40 that is not Ellisons arrow.

[@rjspires]

They cut Adam wheel chair joke in the UK version.

[@pirotechnika3914]

This show is engineering quote central

[@TheTrueBatBrain]

"I am going to eat something that was living" surprisingly being one of them

[@-droid-j7-225]

Soon we are going to run out of thing that can go wrong and then it will work.

[@rozza2012]

O.K who's going to make the 'keeping up Kari/Tory/both' all night line first?