The Ancient Void God - NEW Zelda Lore

[@BanditGames]

Do you want the next Zelda game to be in the timeline, or do you want them to just do away with the dang thing?

[@DreadeDragon]

Keep the timeline for sure!

[@Chris-gx1ei]

Since I like to connect the dots and have not a thing of Alternate stories like Marvel and DC do constantly, I'd say yes, the Timeline needs to stay

[@molduga]

It’s been a thing since 1987, no reason n to throw it out. Especially after the reveals in Echoes

[@trentdehut6226]

I just care about quality linear Zelda games

[@tsar3vich_thehistorian]

Even though I’d like a new, blank, clean slate, there is something homely about this chaotic, jumbled timeline.

[@JiveGuruXL]

Null is the space in the center of the Triforce. The Triforce is a PRISON!

[@capadociaash8003]

Tetraforce theory’s got confirmed in the most unexpected way

[@elizathegamer413]

this prison, to hold, me? -null

[@AugustA447]

Tetraforce confirmed?!?!

[@MobiusChickenStrip]

The space in the center of the Triforce is the Light Force, according to Minish Cap

[@devonm042690]

@@MobiusChickenStrip Am I forgetting something? When does Minish Cap confirm this?

[@DreadeDragon]

I don’t think Null trapped the Goddess’s, just their temples. If he could just trap them, I don’t think he’d feel the need to go through with his elaborate ‘get the Prime Energy by pretending to be Zelda’ plot.

[@kairi4640]

Idk about that. Goddesses could just be something Null can't replicate, and it needed another method to willingly get their power. Who knows? It's never clearly explained as usual.

[@specialnewb9821]

Imo he trapped part of them.

[@Shinntoku]

Yeah he didn't trap the goddesses themselves, just the places where Zelda could receive their sanctions

[@AnthonyDGreen]

Yeah I think that was a translation error. He trapped the lands of the goddess or something. I guess someone would have to check the original Japanese

[@infebris]

@@kairi4640why would null need to replicate them if hes more powerful than all 3 of them combined

[@cobaltprime9467]

Theory, Demise was the demon equivalent of Hylia but Null was the demon equivalent of the 3 goddesses. 3 needed create but 1 is needed to destroy.

[@Chris-gx1ei]

I don't know if he is even classified as an Oni at all, we gotta look into the Japanese for that, but from what we see he will destroy both Gods(Kami) and Demons(Oni) alike

[@Shinntoku]

Doesn't Tri say that the other Tris usually seal up Rifts quickly, but they've been slowed down by Null kidnapping them so Hylians became aware of the Rifts?

[@DreadKyller]

This is what makes the most sense to me, if Null only recently figured out how to capture the Tris then we haven't seen rifts before because they were simply too efficient at their job, and we never saw the Tris because except for a handful of exceptions you can't see them unless you've been in a rift, which again are dealt with before anyone even noticed anything. Now that they're being captured they can't close the rifts as quickly to the point where eventually they just can't keep up anymore on their own.

[@greykamasz656]

Another thing to add: the Golden Goddess created the Triforce to stabilize the land, as seen in A Link Betwen Worlds with Lorule. So by destroying the Triforce, the barrier trapping Null begins to decay. It’s interesting connecting this new lore to what we previously learned about the Triforce, the Goddess Hylia, and the prologue of Skyward Sword

[@capadociaash8003]

The Tri’s have to be related to the triforce. Maybe beyond being a source of energy it also controls the Tri’s, that’s why its wishes can change reality the Tri’s are changing the world

[@elizathegamer413]

@@capadociaash8003 also they have the same name lmao

[@elizathegamer413]

it makes sense, if you consider the tetraforce concept that the triforce literally traps the empty part in the middle and that lorule looks VERY MUCH like the still world actually -- random big gaps between places that can be entered and exited through entrances in the wall, much like still world portals -- it actually just seems like lorule is a more advanced and severe version of the still world where pretty much all of hyrule was taken in (although I guess the people weren't frozen)

[@greykamasz656]

@@capadociaash8003 the Tri’s and the Triforce are defiantly related. Both were made by the Golden Goddesses. Though, I don’t know if the Tri’s are responsible for making wishes on the Triforce come true. I think they descend when Null creates rifts. That seems to be their sole purpose

[@greykamasz656]

@@elizathegamer413 your theories makes a lot of sense. Lorule during A Link Between Worlds shares similar traits to the still world. That makes me wonder how the other realms in the Zelda Universe (Sacred, Lorule, Twilight, Silent, etc.) all relate to the new information in Echoes of Wisdom. Expanding the scope that large makes me kinda dizzy lol

[@cato3277]

This feels like the beginning of a Zelda theory renaissance. Love to see it.

[@minishhero5921]

I saw a super interesting theory stating that the reason Null only started leaving a big impact recently is due to the dimensional rifts opened in A Link Between Worlds which would make a ton of sense. It also would explain why nobody recognizes Ganon. The last time he appeared was in Link Between Worlds but only briefly before Yuga merges with him in Lorule. By the time Echoes happens hes likely nothing more than a mere legend

[@Pop_Shepski]

I seen a theory a while ago about the “fourth” part of the triforce in reference to the empty middle section. That is all starting make sense now

[@solracstormhunter3023]

Nintendo must've heard of those popular responses to the 25 years long "Tetraforce" theory and decided to answer many questions at once, like: "Why did the goddesses create the world?" and "Where did Demise come from?"

[@kairi4640]

I'm just hoping Null comes back as a reoccurring character. It just doesn't make sense that an entity on par with the goddesses, can just easily be defeated. And then Ganon, who's just Demise's curse manifested... whom might possibly be an extension of Null. Somehow that Ganon just remains the default enemy that isn't ever truly beaten. Part of me kinda hopes that Null remains Zelda's big bad, while Ganon remains Link's big bad. And we just constantly see this across new games. I would definitely love seeing playable Zelda games alongside Link games. That would be cool. But large part of me also thinks this is just a one-off from Nintendo trying to make a quick buck.

[@Chris-gx1ei]

There are three Timelines and Null just got errased in one, so who knows what might come next

[@DreadKyller]

Well if Null is the source of Demise and thus behind Ganon in some way, then it makes sense that if Ganon is destroyed/defeated that it can be remade/re-energized, etc. But if the source is destroyed that doesn't necessarily hold up. But we'll see, if Ganon exists via Demises curse where Demise may be an extension or aspect of Null, then why Ganon still exists in games after EoW in the timeline becomes complicated, unless of course as you suggest maybe Null isn't fully defeated, just severely weakened for the time.

[@Chris-gx1ei]

​​​​​@@DreadKyller Null doesnt seem to be behind Demise and the Demon tribe, considering that even Moblins get Petrified when they get swallowed by that huge Rift that Null created after getting the Triforce of Power, I think it is easy to assume That Demons are also part of the creation Null is willing to errase which is not Connectable to Demise's desire to bring the Demon Tribe to its glory Then the Question would be if Demise is rather an entity That was created by the Goddesses or - which is more likely - Demise popped up on his own along with the Demon Tribe and tried to escape from Null, yet the Gods denying them to be refugees or something. This gives us with two parties of evil against one Party of Good.

[@DemonicAdj]

I view that Null is entropy itself, it's just that in this occurance, it had a body.

[@Glockenspheal]

I think it's confirmed that Null uses Tri to create echoes itself, as seen in the final battle, it uses the Tri trapped in its claws and that's what creates the echoes it uses in the final battle. Would also explain how it is able to create echoes in general, it's a borrowed power as it really only is capable of destruction. On another note, We may have seen a manifestation of Null before, maybe? there are giant rifts appearing on Lorule, which would make sense since without a proper creation artifact, their Triforce, Null would be able to sip into reality once more. As for a connection to Demise, I don't think there is any direct relation between them, although I'll have to say it's interesting just how similar Majora and Null act when it comes to consumption and such, could Majora be the manifestation of Null in another timeline?

[@Chris-gx1ei]

I too doubt that there is a connection between Demise and Null First the fact that Demons as well become Petrified when being swallowed by rifts Secondly the Demon Tribe desires to live in a world where evil rules, Demise's Goal was for this exact wish, a World where Demons are in charge, which is by Definition Hell itself. Null seeks oblivion on the other hand

[@nathanapodaca3456]

Or a different plane of reality. If Termina is a parallel world to the one the Hero of Time came from, maybe Null can influence different planes of reality. We also see the Twili able to dematerialize and rematerialize objects like Bridges(like Midna does) and Teleport. Maybe their realm is one where they mastered the ability to control the Rifts

[@capadociaash8003]

I don’t like the idea that Null created Demise mainly because Null is a destroyer and not a creator. It borrowed the power to copy things that already exist but to create something new seems antithetical to its nature

[@Chris-gx1ei]

​@@capadociaash8003 Not to forget that Null also absorbs and petrifies Monsters why creating them in the first place?

[@tsar3vich_thehistorian]

I love how you are always able to seque seamlessly to the Z O N A I. “Everywhere I go I see his face”

[@Chris-gx1ei]

A possible explaination how Null could Trap the Goddesses is that the Triforce, the Allmighty Relic the Goddesses Created and Null is after, is actually the manifestation of the Power that has been given up by the Goddesses themselves for whatever reason, thus they were not all powerful themselves anymore and this may also explain why there are three Oracles named after them exist in Oracle of Seasons&Ages and Minish Cap

[@Shinntoku]

I don't think he even trapped the goddesses themselves, he just swallowed up the temples in rifts to block access to their sanctions(or to motivate Zelda to break in and get the sanctions anyways so he could Echo her with them)

[@MrLeFilipfloppyvelarde]

Auto building = echoes got me good, my mind melted

[@Chris-gx1ei]

Echoes can be remade repeatedly, Autobuild requires still materials

[@jamesjeckle92]

So I guess the empty space in the tri force technically could have had a meaning. Since it could be seen as the 3 goddess surrounding and "trapping" null/nothing.

[@randomlink8700]

Did you notice how the you restore areas from the rift in Echos of Wisdom, you can still see them in the rift? Meaning that everything the Tris restore is just an echo of that it previously was, excluding the people since they do ger rescued.

[@SeanGill-y2v]

Null is said to be an ancient evil as old as time that wants nothing to stand besides him. Then the 3 goddesses made the earth to trap him inside. Next, null created rifts to consume the world, so the goddesses made the tris, an army of celestial entities with the power to heal rifts. But null was cunning and corrupted the tris, then 1 meets you and the story goes on...

[@necromythos7339]

My own personal theory is that the void that Null dwells/dwelled within in Echoes of Wisdom is the same as the Bed of Chaos in Skyward Sword. I also believe this is where non-Ganon/non-Demise related monstrosities (Bellum and Malludus as examples) could’ve come from, since it’s stated in Echoes that other types of life just sorta appeared in this void before the goddesses created everything, even if Null did consume it almost immediately.

[@Chris-gx1ei]

I think Bellum, Malladus and Majora fit perfectly Bellum just feasts and consumes energy of Living beings, Malladus wants to destroy the World and Majora had been used for World Ending Rituals and became sentient

[@drake713]

I think Null is just the blob, manifistating tri-like having eaten so many of them that he is also an echo

[@DemonicAdj]

Or made Echo-matter via the captured Tris, in the same way that they replace missing ground.

[@jamesredline1352]

I love this series so much. I ignored it for so long because I wasn’t too much of a gamer but I jumped in with Breath of the Wild and was floored. Been playing through the games. Recently scored Minish Cap and Majora’s Mask for 20 bucks a pop 😎 anywho I loved EOW! That game was such a breath of fresh air. Keep up the good work Bandit.

[@Chris-gx1ei]

I think it is not quite right to talk about the "Light" of the Goddesses since the Tri can literally copy Demons too which are dark beings, but not neccesarily evil, the Goddesses are neither Holy nor unholy, neither Light nor dark, but they are certainly good

[@CurrentlyDuck1]

I don't think that Demise and the demon tribe came from Null. I think they are Lorule's equivalent to Hylia and the lesser deities.

[@nathanapodaca3456]

Could Demise be an Echo of Hylia, maybe? Some have suggested Girahim to be a polar opposite of Fi

[@specialnewb9821]

My theory is Demise is one of those spontaneous void generated entities that Null used to eat until it was trapped.

[@Plassenberg]

@@nathanapodaca3456 If the story of echoes of wisdom tracks, then Null doesn't actually have the ability to create echoes himself. Rather I think Null created Demise, intentionally or otherwise, as a direct counterpart to Hylia. If the goddesses have the ultimate power to create, and Null the ultimate power to destroy, perhaps Null can also reflect their other abilities, such as orchestrating a lesser deity (Demise/Hylia) to do their bidding.

[@CurrentlyDuck1]

@nathanapodaca3456 the problem with that is that Demise has different goals and motives from Null. Null seeks to consume all of existence, but Demise seeks to subjugate and oppress it. Those two goals are incompatible with each other, so they can't be working together and can't have originated together in any way.

[@nathanapodaca3456]

@Plassenberg Someone else on here just said the same thing in response to one of my other comments, so I'm thinking you might be right. Which adds complexity to the different villains and their overarching goals

[@BeefNinja7]

I kept on expecting someone to say "What is this some sort of Tri Force?"

[@RylixBlizzai]

i'm such a sucker for stories where ancient beings are angry that they were paved over to make cool stuff like a world with free will and junk, so i'm really interested to see what other forces and concepts could potentially be connected to null and the void like perhaps bellum from phantom hourglass appearing in the ocean king's realm or majora using skull kid to get to termina were null's want to destroy creation doing the incomprehensible god equivalent of trying to take towns near your enemy's city to have a stronger foothold when attacking them or we could consider that, being a bunch of floating islands in a vast nothing, a place like the twilight realm could be connected to the still world in some way, like maybe it's the very edge of the void, where some of creation's light can still get through, but enough void was also there to partially break terrain down into the floating islands we see, with void and light combining into the fun little concoction that is twilight there's so many things that we could reexamine through new lenses that i'm giddy with excitement to hear all the potentially massive shakeups to theories and our understanding of hyrule's world

[@specialnewb9821]

Demise came from a crack in the ground. And Lorule may be falling to Null's rifts without their Triforce to power the Tris.

[@Chris-gx1ei]

​@@specialnewb9821 Demise doesnt have the same mindset as Null. He wants to create a world for Demons to Rule. Null wants to destroy everything - including Demons as you see in the finale where that huge rift even swallows Moblins which do indeed get Petrified

[@aylaosuna1458]

I wonder if the Rifts might have any connection to Lorule or the Twilight Realm?

[@Chris-gx1ei]

Well, we swe what happens to Lorule without their Triforce, it falls appart and there are cracks leading into a bottomless void

[@makyeallen1764]

He's freakin' BACK!!! WOOOO!!! Let's GO!!

[@Sapphairis]

The zonai are so much more human and aware. I thought perhaps tri and the rod are parallels for fi and the sword

[@dantheman15]

Hey Bandit, loved the video and the lore explanation on Null. I was just curious though, would you be able to list the music you used in the video in the description? I would help all of us watching to better identify all the great music you use. For now, I'll try and list the music myself though. 0:03 - 0:33 Goron City from Breath of the Wild 0:40 - 2:44 Overworld Theme from Echoes of Wisdom 2:44 - 3:31 Rift Theme from Echoes of Wisdom 3:41 - 5:17 ??? from Echoes of Wisdom 5:24 - 8:44 Zonai Shrine from Tears of the Kingdom 8:57 - 9:12 Spirit Temple from Tears of the Kingdom 9:12 - 11:22 Sky Islands from Tears of the Kingdom 11:22 - 11:34 sans. from Undertale 11:34 - 12:35 ??? 12:35 -14:20 ??? from Echoes of Wisdom End: ???

[@BanditGames]

Oh sure thing! I’ll try to remember to add that when I’m back at my office. Actually, going forward, I may start to list the music on screen - thank you for the suggestion!

[@dantheman15]

@@BanditGames Thank you so much! That would be so helpful for us as viewers and fans of the series.

[@Chareddragon]

I don’t think that Null created Demise. Rather Demise and his demon ilk were uncontrolled creations of the Goddess of Power. Null can only create echoes by stealing that power from the Tri fairies. He also despises creation. As he wants the only thing to exist to be himself

[@claud77714]

Im pumped for this

[@boo1_gaming927]

I agree with what Bandit is saying here. Heck, I came with similar conclusions. With the timeline split, I theorize that Nulls from different universes, or different timelines, destroy any universe that could have been, but since the Tris are from different universes, they echoed enemies, locations, and different races that are unique in each timeline, this could explain the creation of the BotW/TotK world. We didn't have Zoras and Rito in the same game until BotW. We also don't see many Gorons in the Adult Timeline, at least in Wind Waker.

[@aceflare2431]

One thing that isn't touched upon a lot since the Null theories and lore became known. It's also possible that the demon tribe were fleeing the void entity, using it as an excuse to invade the surface.

[@ViviBuchlaw]

My favourite part of Bandit's videos is the part where he yells BANDIT BRINGER! And kills me

[@ShepherdsCreek]

Ooo I've been waiting for this video since your streams

[@aaronloveday4858]

So what was the catalyst for these rifts in echoes? Did ganon hit a tri with his spear by accident? Is Ganons spear a legendary weapon like the master sword? Could this catalyst be the thread that can eventually connects the hero of the wild to the rest of the timeline?

[@DemonicAdj]

The rifts were always a thing, they just got fixed when they were still tiny. It took Null a crazy amount of time to capture enough Tris to tip that scale to the point that rifts were noticeable. Ganon in Echoes was just an Echo. And has seemingly been gone so long that people just know him as "that blue creature"

[@aaronloveday4858]

@ the only thing that I’m confused about is the fact that the rifts became an issue in hyrule in the spot that ganons spear landed as soon as he dropped it and that’s too much of a coincidence to not become a plot point in later games

[@DemonicAdj]

@aaronloveday4858 That's gotta be just Null's influence. He was definitely using the Ganon echo to trap Link and Zelda. It could also be an ability given by Null. (We do know he can aim rifts, from what we saw in Hyrule Castle throne room). That said, your earlier comment did remind me: that trident MIGHT be special. I remembered that the Ganondorf of Four Swords Adventure was a different Ganondorf, who took the Trident from the Pyramid of Power. If they're the same weapon, than it might be special. But I still think the rifts are Null's alone.

[@ElliottYarnell]

Termina is just an echo of Hyrule

[@DemonicAdj]

Or at least full of Hylian echoes.

[@nathanapodaca3456]

Okay this video was mind blowing. Also, Raaru, while at Temple of Time instructing Link, mentions that Zelda may have communicated to him through an echo of sorts. My theory has also been that the Zonai were servants of the goddesses who were sent to Earth in order to create or rebuild(depending on who you ask) Hyrule as a bulwark against the curse of Demise, who may have been a servant of if not an echo created by Null. I actually had thought that the Depths in TOTK were the original Demon realm that Demise came from, and we do see a bottomless pit right outside of Gloom's lair(which is in the so-called "Temple of Light"). Maybe that was the gateway into Null's resting place, or as some have theorized, the Zelda universe's version of hell. We also see in Ocarina of Time the Ship in the Shadow Temple, which takes you to Bongo Bongo, sink into the Depths, with Navi warning you to get off just before it falls into nothing....just throwing it out there

[@andrewbrightwell914]

Welcome back, Bandit! Love this.

[@mentally_deranged70]

so, by going off of the theory that the Zonai are either a new form or early form of the tri-fairies, I feel like you're unironically connecting BotW and TotK to the fallen timeline, if not all three

[@Shinntoku]

1:29 we have an answer for the Wild Era games, they're at the end of the timelines after every other game

[@chaos4654]

Exactly. I've seen folks say Breath and Tears being seperate from a pre-Echoes of Wisdom timeline chart Nintendo made is "proof" they're on their own timeline or something. 😮‍💨 *But* I don't think people realize how stupidly redundant or visually boring it would've been to post the same two logos three times.

[@SECONDQUEST]

The timeline obsession drives me crazy. When I was in elementary school the timeline was a bunch of fans fighting about everything and nobody except forums online cared. Nintendo themselves did not care. There was no timeline. Connecting a bunch of previously unconnected games is not interesting.

[@unoriginalname7925]

It's clear that there's been an approximate timeline in place from the start, and it's been practically confirmed that the playable sections of both botw and totk are also in the past. What is less clear is the totk founding of hyrule (I will die on the hill that the Zonai lived and went extinct before SS)

[@MrChristopherharmon]

Yes, please continue these types of videos!

[@FireFox64000000]

Damnit, I gotta play Echoes of Wisdom before I watch this, don't I?

[@DreadeDragon]

Going with the theory that Null made and/or controlled Dhemise, whose curse caused Ganon, then if he’s defeated for good at the end of EoW, why does Hyrule keep falling into decline? Either he wasn’t defeated all the way, or at some point all the Ganon shenanigans got separated from his direct involvement.

[@BanditGames]

I think the creation of Demise introduced the world to the curse, which is why it continues onward with the Ganons/other demon kings. But I’ll be exploring more of this in an upcoming video

[@sheikuh7736]

​@@BanditGames Remember that Demise uses the dark master sword which could be considered a replica, maybe even Demise is a replica of Hylia

[@Chris-gx1ei]

​@@sheikuh7736 I'm sure Null makes 1:1 copies after he absorbed the Tri, meaning it must be another hot waifu that he spawned, yet Demise is looking too Masculine for that

[@Chris-gx1ei]

The big theory that contradicts this Statement is that Null is incapable of Creating Demons if all he does is destroying and copying. Also Demise represents the Will of the Demon Tribe which is not errasing everything - since the same Demons like Moblins get swallowed by rifts and even get petrified - which is implying that Demons are indeed part of creation thus they are also despised by Null - and the will of the Demon Tribe is to turn the World into a Realm for them to rule, which is by Definition literally hell, as for all Null wants is Oblivion.

[@boo-rian2717]

Good to have you back! And yes, dive into every last detail on this game I'm very curious about the lore implications, but I just hope Nintendo doesn't make this a one-off and never again consider it, because then any lore impact would be heavily muted.

[@stevenhoffman8292]

If the golden goddesses could not kill Null, I doubt that Zelda and Link could either. Although maybe Null weakened himself by using the power of the Tri's and Triforce. These are powers of creation, an antithesis to his own powers, which may have caused his own essence to weaken enough that Zelda and Link could defeat him.

[@specialnewb9821]

My assumption is that it will eventually reform.

[@capadociaash8003]

@@specialnewb9821I hope Null comes back but in order to make Echoes of Wisdom still feel meaningful Null should need help in order to exert influence on reality again

[@Chris-gx1ei]

The infinite Power of the Triforce cannot be used by a God, so there is the possibility that they themselves cannot use that Power fully, probably it wasnt even their own in the first place

[@Chris-gx1ei]

Also, why should Null seek for literally infinite Power if he himself is supposed to be above it?

[@stevenhoffman8292]

@Chris-gx1ei I felt like there was an implication that Nulls powers and the powers of the goddesses were about equal, rather than one being substantially greater than the other, which is why they were at a stalemate so long until the goddesses got "creative" (pun intended). So if Null got the triforce, he's be gaining power while weakening the goddesses, tipping the scales in his favor.

[@Neutra77]

I like the idea of the Tri's & Zonai being related. In my mind, it could be that they are created by the goddesses whenever said goddesses deem the world needs some kind of assistance or guidance. They're akin to messenger angels in that respect, imparting the goddesses' will and knowledge unto the world and acting in service of it. They're also molded to fit the purpose they are required for, accounting for differences in abilities and (especially) appearance. The Tri's weren't intended to directly interact with the people of Hyrule, and so aren't really designed in a way that said people would easily recognise or relate to (bell-like blobs). They're also given things like levitation and phasing because it helps them more quickly navigate the rifts Null creates, expediting their work. Zonai, meanwhile, are much more expressly intended to interact with and aid the people of Hyrule, and thus took much more humanoid forms that makes communication easier, even if they still appear like a unique species (goat-people). This also constrained their abilities somewhat, having them come under effect of gravity and limiting their phasing to certain situations.

[@toryunaminosaki1022]

Haven't finished totk yet, but the triforce was absolutely in botw, it was held by Zelda in its entirety and wasn't discovered by her until the last moment

[@Tabooist]

def looking forward to where you go with this

[@solracstormhunter3023]

3:40 Just like _Knull_ from _Marvel comics:_ An entire planet was build around the god of darkness/void/chaos. 12:00 I'm pretty sure we all theorized the possibility of there being a fourth goddess of darkness, who was Demise's patron, the same way the three golden goddesses were Hylia's patrons.

[@sirprise1420]

This game gives me hope that they'll fix the "fallen" time line and call it the "abandoned" time line because that has allways annoyed me

[@mikeydrago-dt8by]

I actually really like the idea that Null created Demise during the events of Skyward Sword. I guess he's just like a typical villain who always comes up with a new plan in an attempt to grant his wish of returning the world to a void. It could be that, or it could just be an offshoot lore like most of the Zelda games are, in a different multiverse of Hyrule.

[@gurgus]

Always stoked for a new Bandit upload!!

[@DemonicAdj]

One of the scariest words you'll ever hear: "Finally." Confirming in one stroke: It Can Think and that it has a plan.

[@DemonicAdj]

One thought is that Null also exists as a force of sorts: Entropy. It might be why bodies fall apart on death. There's no Life Force left in them, no divine energy to push against that destruction. We've seen life force take the forms of tiny triangles. Life might be the power of the Goddesses, subdivided. And the Triforce merely three giant chunks of it.

[@Radild1]

I love that I had this sort of theory (not 100%) WAYYY back when Twilight Princess released. "What if there is a 4th piece of the Triforce? what if it's the nothing in the middle? The Void Shard." Aside from that, I said it would be claimed by Vaati, I like Null much more.

[@philosophicaljay3449]

Lorule without a Triforce started to have Rifts appear everywhere. If Lorule has a Null trapped within its creation (or possibly all eorlds trap the same Null from different routes of escape), then it would suggest that if the Triforce is gone that the ability to stop Null weakens.

[@JoshyG]

I have been waiting for the insanity of lore implications that echos of wisdom has presented since it came out! I am so excited to see what you and your fellow zelda theorists come up with! (I also like the other content that you have been doing in the meantime too)

[@sarah03114]

I really like this theory, I honestly haven’t thought much since playing it but this has some wheels spinning.

[@doll1457]

You know, if someone busted into my crib, redecorated literally everything and then locked me in the closet I'd be pretty angry about it too.

[@MC_CN]

More your roommates who didn't like that you considered everything your crib, and that you wanted to forever keep it that way, made their own crib on top of yours for the sole purpose of keeping you in your now much smaller crib.

[@SimonSaysDeath]

​@MC_CN well, null WAS there BEFORE the goddesses, just like the other things null immediately destroyed, just that the goddesses were stronger than them. I cant believe myself, but here cones the "null was right all along" speech.

[@davidnystrom9059]

Very excited to have a game where the lore mattered and was respected. I think Null is meant to be more like a force of nature, trying to restore its natural state of being. Brings like Demise, Vatti, and Ganondorf were more intentionally antagonistic. The motivations of the latter aren’t tied to existence so much as they’re desire for power and control. Null wanted status quo. The closest villain from other Zelda games to Null is actually Majora. The ancient deity of chaos from an alternate universe, Termina. It could be that Termina was created as another option for the Goddesses to contain Null, which ended up manifesting as Majora. The Goddesses abandoned the land, Null consumed the world from the edges inward, and eventually the people turned against the Goddesses (see countless theories out there). Null eventually consumed all of that world and came back out into the Hyrule World. This could explain why we don’t see voids like the ones in Echoes in any of the games between. It also allows for these other baddies to exist with their own agency apart from The Curse of Demise. Okay. I went a little long in that and a touch off the rails from my original intent. Haha. But still, the floodgates were opened. Keep up the great work, Bandit!

[@Pirikala_]

In French, Demise is called "l'Avatar du Néant", hinting at him possibly being an... avatar, of Null, and I like this idea !

[@Icu282]

By Null manually reforming the Triforce do you mean by killing the other holders of the Triforce since it seems to grant a wish no matter what if you reform it after the pieces fly away if the person using it doesn't have balanced power wisdom and courage? Or do you mean you think Null was trying to create Echoes of the Triforce of power to complete it, making 3 pieces from the one? Because the 2nd option I don't think was happening, I think it was just an event similar to Twilight Princess, where the Triforce of Power allowed Ganondorf to resist his punishment of the sages and break out of his shackles, surviving with a glowing scar. So they needed to revoke the Triforce of Power by literally ripping it out of Null to be order to defeat them for real. Similarly to how Zant revoked his powers from Ganondorf to allow him to die in Twilight Princess.

[@emilysarzalejo9292]

I feel like I've fundamentally changed as a person after watching this skshsksbns, my entire understanding of Zelda lore has changed /pos

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

When I took on Null, I was very unimpressed by how the fight was in the first phase. I was also unimpressed with his design. Then the final phase got started and I went from unimpressed, to happily terrified. My whole thought process through the third phase was this is how a primordial dark deity fight should be.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

I don't think the Zonai have anything to do with the Tris...the Wild era is supposed to be many many many ages after every other game. Either that or the result of a timeline split in Skyward Sword (but that's unlikely since characters from OoT are directly referenced in TOTK). They could have originally come from the same place the Tris did though.

[@Chris-gx1ei]

Fujibayashi confirmed that the Founding of Hyrule in TotK was a Refounding actually meaning it is potentially also at the Very end

[@StormsparkPegasus]

@Chris-gx1ei I don't think he actually confirmed it, he just sort of passed it off as an idea. But he came as close as he's going to to actually confirming it.

[@videocrowsnest5251]

Here is one: Null might be related to or is the origins of evil (dark) magic, which tends to be destructive or leads to destruction. Wielded by those with wicked hearts whos actions will lead only to great calamities. Creating monsters in this vein might be tapping into Nulls ability to make destructive echoes. Why? Colour similarities, and quite a few monsters credited to Ganondorf cooking them up tend to fade to nothing after being defeated or destroyed. Same for many evil alligned creatures or grunts: after being slain they just fade to nothing or disappear with but at most a few scraps left behind of ever existing. Some come with a few bits of "fireworks" like blue flames or puffs of smoke, but the end result is the same. Fading from existence. Null might also in this vein be able to leak into the space between dimensions, where Ganondorf got his phantom minion version from. In Ocarina of Time after Link bested the phantom, Ganondorf decided to banish it to the void between dimensions for it's troubles. As such, evil magic to utilize by dark sorcereous types might require always finding a way to call forth power from this void itself and then attuning it to the desired end result. If good magic is the stuff of creation, then evil magic would be that of the void, or nonexistence and noncreation. It is corrupting stuff at the very least too, which sounds like something is spreading its influence with it's use to consume bits of the user itself.

[@videocrowsnest5251]

Even things like Majoras Mask, which is an item of dark magic and destruction, would lead only to that which exists being unmade. Key point is with life forms extinct or greatly reduced demonic entities can move freely with little to no opposition. End game, they would all but certainly find the Triforce or similar items of great power causing even further destruction to the fabric of creation. If not outright destroying it all. The only reason these items do not fall into or stay in the hands of evil is because of living beings choosing to keep them safe or to claim them back. No living things left except demonic void spawn capable of walking in the burnt out husk of a world, no opposition. Let the Triforce split as it's last security measure: it's their world. And their nature compels them to go after it.

[@Tilda_the_mage]

Given the placement on the timeline, I think the reason why Null is only just starting to make bigger plays to capture tri’s and go for the triforce is due to what happened with Lorule. It had no triforce and was gradually falling apart, presumably from Null gradually erasing everything and breaking free. The restoration of the Lorule Triforce would have resulted in the Tri’s reactivating and starting to repair the damage Null had done, giving it a direct link between the undoing of his destruction, and the Triforce itself and allowing it to realise that if it was to obtain or destroy a Triforce, it could wipe out reality once again unopposed.

[@ChapterIV-2911]

13:41 "I'm very interested to know what you're thinking right now-" THE TRIFORCE IS BACK!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I missed the triforce, okay?

[@melimsah]

It's a good day when Bandit comes in and brings us some good Zelda snacks ^_^

[@chadpeterson5698]

13:30 It’s permanent at least in the downfall timeline. Null might return in the other two timelines. The reason why I say it’s permanent is because of Nintendo’s “all one off villains who die must stay dead” rule

[@randomlink8700]

Another possibility about Nulls appearance is that the goddesses based the Tri's appearance on null since they are a foil meant to counter it.

[@TheHaddonfieldRegistry]

I much prefer the addition of new characters like Null that flesh out existing canon, vs. retroactively adding new layers to existing canon like learning Ganon is just an incarnation of Demise

[@erikwilliams5684]

@BanditGames I Really Missed Your Great Theory Videos & Seeing This Really Brought A Smile On My Face!!! I Can't Wait For Your Next One!!! 💪💪💪💪💪

[@Icu282]

Not anything canon or theory related, but I just realized the interesting fact that in Undertale the Dreemurr family crest (now known as the Deltarune) belonging to the Royal family of goat monsters is loosely based on the Hylian Crest. And then in ToTK, the royal family is descended from people that resemble goats. Which means their family's crest would eventually come to be the crest that the Deltarune is based on in the first place. Idk it just feels like even if it's not an intentional reference its now a cyclical one. A reference referencing another reference that references itself.

[@kennethsmith9746]

Null is most definitely the reason demons exist with all demon kings being extensions of itself, wishing for only destruction. It would also explain why evil gets sealed in the earth with the exception of Ganondorf when he is still human

[@BergmitetheBlueandPointy0712]

The idea of Null is truly exciting. The goddess trio’s equivalent of Demise, and a eldritch horror worse than all kinds of Ganon and Ganondorf.

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

I actually beat Echoes of Wisdom a few days ago, so this video came out at a good time.

[@noppornwongrassamee8941]

Now I want a sequel where Ganon fights Null for the right to be the franchise's Big Bad. Sure, Ganon came first IRL, and Null came first in-universe. But Ganon's goals are ultimately in conflict with Null's, so I think it'd be cool to see the two Big Bads fight it out.

[@lonku4788]

I hope we have more enemies like Null. Or rather, not-Ganondorf enemies. Since Demise's curse talked about his hatred and not his hatred in the form of Ganondorf. Having more personifications of the curse feels like a better and fresher idea than repeating the same enemy. That in MANY games, is even the same individual

[@Axecon1]

My theory is that we'll get a playable trio for the next Zelda game (Link, Zelda, & Ganondorf). Ganondorf's not fully evil, just the essence of power can sometimes be corrupted.

[@DayePlaye]

Maybe "Null" is subliminally represented by the upside down empty triangle in the triforce design, like a void...

[@mkjjoe]

9:30 The Zonai didn't go back into the sky, unless you consider it figuratively as maybe going "beyond" as spirits. Master Works explains they had a rapid decline in population and had to come back to the surface (which they left long before). I think they all died and Rauru/Mineru were the very last. It's interesting you talk about the Zonai as predating the Tris, I favor the theory that TOTK Hyrule isn't the first, so it's unclear how early the Zonai appeared.

[@brandondiotte2104]

The game and the existence of Null gave me Borderland vibes in that the world Pandora is used to contain the Destroyer and every few hundred years a Vault can be opened which serves to partly satisfy the monsters hunger preventing it from breaking out. Its almost like the Golden Goddesses planned something similar were every so often they would allow some of Nulls evil to seep up into a contained area to act as a pressure relief. Unfortunately for the land of Hyrule they are the contained area which is why it takes on the brunt of these attacks, with its neighbouring kingdoms getting attack on occasion.

[@murraydavidson4743]

The thumbnail looks like one of the lighthouse horror episodes I watch

[@majorasmask5523]

I hope he isn’t a one-off like Bellum, Malladus, Ghirahim, or yours truly.

[@icetea3595]

Exactly, he has a lot of potential since he is still out there in the adult and child timeline.

[@Andrewtheincubs]

We do have a reference to a rift opening in skyward sword that Dimise came out of. It can be argued that it's not the same type of rift but what if it is

[@Anu_Sol]

Zonai did it.

[@cadeshanley218]

First time I heard his name, I pictured the newest dark God of the Marvel Universe and creator of the Symbiotes: The King in Black; Knull.

[@brodonnellYT]

Null reminds me of Sithis from Elder Scrolls games. Sort of a "fundamental force" of the universe, not necessarily evil but whose only purpose is to undo the doing of creation.

[@LunaP1]

I already have my theory on where in the timeline this story fits. The Downfall Timeline, starting with OoT.

[@kharlanhero4428]

From what I understand, the developers said that the ancient past Zelda travelled to in TOTK is the distant future to any of the timelines. So the Zonai didnt existed in Hyrule before Skyward Sword

[@whitneykelley3580]

“We have just entered a new era of Zelda lore.” Yes, yes we have. I honestly lost interest in this topic after TOTK, but I’m so thrilled the theory videos are back and have EOW to draw from. Re-sub!

[@ajdove1823]

Oooooh boi, do I dare don the tinfoil hat to once again draw a Termina connection, or a Bongo-Bongo connection, or a Majora's Mask connection? It's raw entropic darkness gamer, I gotta!

[@phantomjoker5362]

Make sense... I always wondered about the space between the Triforce.

[@jonathantreleven1823]

What's funny to me as a lore head is that I thought the wild games were not in the Fallen Timeline because of the Fallen Zora. Now, with Echos of Wisdom, we got confirmation that there are both the regular and fallen Zora in the Fallen Timeline, which made my prediction worthless. 😂

[@GoeTeeks]

It's more likely that the Tris were diligent at closing up rifts before they became an issue. But as Null was able to capture more and more of them, their work slowed down, allowing rifts to get bigger and for Null to really begin his plan. I have my doubts he is connected to Demise or any of his ilk (Demise is a counter to the Goddess Hylia. Null is a counter to the Three Godesses).

[@trentdehut6226]

Zelda needs to hire a lore master

[@itzSprrw]

Crackpot theory, the separate timelines are also keeping Null sealed away.

[@trevorgray2287]

Watching this made me consider, are the enemies that Calamity Ganon spawns every blood moon related to Echoes in some way? Perhaps Echoes are something anyone with divine power can create, an intrinsic ability contained by each piece of the Triforce. Though it still begs the question how secret stones are related to all this, since apparently that's where Calamity Ganon got his power.

[@phoenixflameknight]

Another awesome video