The Angerstein Railway and the Lost Lines of the Greenwich Peninsula

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Jago Hazzard

Jago Hazzard

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That sounds like the name of a prog rock group. In this video, a look at a hidden railway in South East London.
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@g_e_o_m9369
@g_e_o_m9369 3 жыл бұрын
"I've been burned before when getting superlative on railway matters, so don't @ me in the comments" .......And just like that we have the first quote on a T-Shirt in the Jago Hazard webstore.
@alzeNL
@alzeNL 3 жыл бұрын
Jago Hazard webstore ? - TAKE MY MONEY!
@KarimElhoussami
@KarimElhoussami 3 жыл бұрын
I would buy that shirt
@alexritchie4586
@alexritchie4586 3 жыл бұрын
Your friend Kevin may be correct. Desert sand isn't good for concrete. It's too fine and rounded to provide much surface area for the particulates to adhere and lock together. Sand from the former Doggerland, i.e. the central North Sea, is perfect for concrete because it is a mixture of sandstone and oolitic limestone that was then rapidly buried under sediment when sea levels suddenly rose at the end of the last Ice Age, stopping the grains' sharp and jagged edges from eroding further. That's why the Romans were so keen on dredging Northern European beaches and carrying the sand back to Rome, rather than just skimming it off the Sahara and sailing it back over the Mediterranean. It's also why if you ever take a walk along a Northeastern English or Scottish beach on a dry, windy day, you're likely to get the ever living bejesus stung out of your cheeks from all of the scratchy little sharp grains flying in your face :p Fantastic video as always! Keep them coming :)
@peterallam6494
@peterallam6494 3 жыл бұрын
Blue Circle cement were'nt too far away down near the Dartford Crossing - not sure if they're still around.
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 3 жыл бұрын
Australia supplies a lot of sand to Saudi Arabia and Egypt too for sand blasting and concrete.
@Butlerbob
@Butlerbob 3 жыл бұрын
I myself have worked in the concrete industry and what I know about the "operator" is the following, not all sand that is available on this earth can be used for concrete or masonry, not even all the water from a river or even from The sea, which is salt water and unusable, just as well as sand from the North Sea, is also too salty as long as one has an installation that removes the salt from the sand, but that seems to me to be a costly undertaking. Here river sand is used in the Netherlands as the Rhine or other inland rivers such as the Meuse coming from France country. Water that is used for the masonry mortar and concrete is usually purified when it is taken from the river, because it can contain all kinds of things that can affect the quality of the mortar or concrete. Here is an impression of the construction of the aqueduct under the River Gouwe near Gouda from the late 1970s. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH-1d5avf8x7hs0
@EllieMaes-Grandad
@EllieMaes-Grandad 3 жыл бұрын
@@Butlerbob The British Dredging Company [formerly Bowles] used sand suction vessels [coaster size] to collect raw materials from the sea bed in the Bristol Channel and North Sea. Bristol and South Wales had lots of stone, but little or no sand in commercial quantities. Material would be sucked-up at sea and pumped into the open hold of ships, excess water discharging via spillways at the sides. Grab cranes would offload 'stuff' into hoppers and then it was fed by conveyor belts to washing and grading plants [passing over mesh screens with different hole sizes]. Looks like that was happening at Angerstein Wharf. [for a pic of a ship, look up 'Bowqueen', her of the Thames disaster] correction ~ Bowbelle (see below)
@Butlerbob
@Butlerbob 3 жыл бұрын
@@EllieMaes-Grandad Aha well that is good information thanks, by the way that is also a method to desalinate sand, anyway here we have enough sand from the countless rivers that find their way to the North Sea in our country, ha ha
@paulbaker916
@paulbaker916 3 жыл бұрын
"A little bit The Sweeney" sums up so much with so few words.
@hegeliansours1312
@hegeliansours1312 3 жыл бұрын
Can you explain it for uncultured foreigners like me pls?
@triviabuff5682
@triviabuff5682 3 жыл бұрын
Was it my imagination, or did every episode end with a massive punch up in a derelict dockside?
@johnchurch4705
@johnchurch4705 3 жыл бұрын
@@hegeliansours1312 The Sweeney was a 70s tv show filmed in the U.K. Its about the Metropolitan Police Flying Squad( hence the Cockney rhyming slang Sweeney Todd- Flying squad) who are detectives that go after villains, you will find clips on KZbin.
@jerribee1
@jerribee1 3 жыл бұрын
@@hegeliansours1312 Google "The Sweeney TV series". It quite often had car chases around run-down or derelict areas of London.
@annother3350
@annother3350 3 жыл бұрын
I do love speeding through those old streets with the cardboard boxes flying everywhere
@borderlands6606
@borderlands6606 3 жыл бұрын
It's vitally important you bring us particulars of the edgelands and other liminal places, so we can be enthralled from afar and not go anywhere near them in person.
@chukty
@chukty 3 жыл бұрын
The "photogenicness" of a place is relative, I find the images of abandoned/derelict factories to be weirdly pretty
@ashleyjarvis954
@ashleyjarvis954 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree!
@barrydysert2974
@barrydysert2974 3 жыл бұрын
Lifelong AGREED!:-) 🖖
@stephenswift9868
@stephenswift9868 3 жыл бұрын
They are interesting!
@ThePainTrain765
@ThePainTrain765 3 жыл бұрын
As Fred Didnah put it; “There’s beauty in this ugliness”
@BigGoucho
@BigGoucho 3 жыл бұрын
This is just a quick comment to let you know how much your videos have stopped me descending into blind panic in the dead of night with worry over my Dad who's in hospital. When I've felt the panic rising in my throat I've started another one of your films and it's helped the terror subside. Thank you. More than you might ever know.
@JagoHazzard
@JagoHazzard 3 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome! Glad I could help!
@turbo.panther
@turbo.panther 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my, you're in very fine form with this one. Every few seconds there's another bit of sarcasm, snark, clever reference, and biting wit - all the while delivering another gem of interestingness.
@pugwashsecond
@pugwashsecond 3 жыл бұрын
I worked for both RMC Marine and CEMEX as Master on one of the dredgers that discharged at Angerstein Wharf. During all of that time I never did see the narrow gauge line in use for the movement of ship's stores though as some previous comments point out it is/has probably been used for transporting heavy machine parts for repair works. The CEMEX wharf at Northfleet also had a narrow gauge line on it and I do remember pushing stores along it it to the ship. The comments about sand going to Saudi is not too far from the truth. Sand quality is quite a complicated science - which explains why on some sandy beaches you can make sand castles and other sandy beaches you can't. I did hear that sand was being shipped out to the Gulf as the desert sand was no good for the filtration plants, I could be wrong, naturally :-)
@laxfich_gecko
@laxfich_gecko 3 жыл бұрын
sand: it's about the shape. desert sand has flat particles, that stick together and are no good. good sand has round, ball-like particles.
@y2keef
@y2keef 3 жыл бұрын
For some reason I can't ever watch a 'jago's trains' without thinking of Jesse's diets from the fast show This week I will be mostly talking about trains
@thomasadrian3019
@thomasadrian3019 3 жыл бұрын
Tom Servo got there first! I live in Dubai and can confirm that the UAE, and I presume the rest of the Arabian Peninsular, including KSA, import a lot of sand for building purposes. The desert sand here is far too fine for use in concrete production.
@JagoHazzard
@JagoHazzard 3 жыл бұрын
It would appear that many a true word is spoken in jest!
@heidirabenau511
@heidirabenau511 2 жыл бұрын
Did you know that Iceland imports ice
@alzeNL
@alzeNL 3 жыл бұрын
All aboard the Jago Express !
@iangoddard8679
@iangoddard8679 3 жыл бұрын
CHOO CHOO!
@morthren
@morthren 3 жыл бұрын
Now this looks familiar! You have a way of telling them Jago. Nice video 👍
@upstagedbyadog
@upstagedbyadog 3 жыл бұрын
"Tart anchors"? ... oooh, Tar tankers! 🤦‍♂️
@althejazzman
@althejazzman 3 жыл бұрын
Odour Eaters? Oh Doritos (Yorkshire accent required)
@2H80vids
@2H80vids 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@simongregory3114
@simongregory3114 3 жыл бұрын
I thought that too,brought to mind the Twon Ronnies sketch ... fork 'andles?
@sarabaldeschwieler7763
@sarabaldeschwieler7763 3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@brianartillery
@brianartillery 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video! I first found out about this odd little railway line, by being recommended, by Thou Cylinder, a video by a bloke who uses the Nom de Urbex of 'Morthren'. He's very fond of long-forgotten railway branches, and spurs that go nowhere anymore. I have a feeling, that he's probably a lift or electrical engineer, by trade, as he often has the keys for junction boxes, etc. You never see his face, or hear his voice, but he uses very precise captions. His videos, like yours, are oddly calming.
@Trevor_Austin
@Trevor_Austin 3 жыл бұрын
As a person who enjoys modelling “grot” your pictures were great.
@annother3350
@annother3350 3 жыл бұрын
You're in the porn industry?!
@brianartillery
@brianartillery 3 жыл бұрын
I see 'Grot' I think of Reginald Perrin, and his 'Grot' empire. Shops that sell nothing but utterly useless rubbish, at exorbitant prices, which is lapped up by hipsters. It could never happen in the real... world... er... hang on a minute... Oh.
@windward563
@windward563 3 жыл бұрын
@@annother3350 he looks like a pilot to me, I could be wrong tho
@cargy930
@cargy930 3 жыл бұрын
@@annother3350 Well, they _did_ used to have "fluffers" on the tubes!
@joeottsoulbikes415
@joeottsoulbikes415 3 жыл бұрын
Those colorful, artisticly constructed buildings you call the west side looks sort of cool. I like the use of red, yellow, orange along with the natural building material. The mix of modern human made buildings mingling with open green space. We call that a breathing city. You are right about the bit we saw of east side looking very car geared (hahah, geared). Very much of America is like that. Americans love cars and most of our towns and cities have big, fast moving 4 lane roads making it dangerous to walk or bike any place. My dad lives in a tiny town of 6,000 people and I almost got hit by cars at least five times trying to walk 2 miles from his house to the art store. I live in Seattle with 645,000 in city limits but 3.6 million in the metropolitan area. They say we have 34,580 people in my 10 block radius neighborhood alone. We have several apartments that are 43 stories high or more. The point is even with all my neighbors I can safely walk to the store, bike to the park or play with my dog without worry of a car hitting me. That is if I stay off the 8 lane, double stackn 65 miles per hour Interstate across the street from my front door. I really like all the areas you show me. This West Side Peninsula, Brixton, Soho, Coilers Wood and Blackfriers. I maybe have all those names wrong but they all look smaller, older and a good bit more livable than my hood of Cascade. I will try to film a walking informational clip of my area soon and invite you along to experience the north west America if you would like?
@johnsharpTravelandAviation.
@johnsharpTravelandAviation. 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this film. Until I retired 18 months ago `I was an envirocrime officer for the peoples republic of Greenwich and spent many hours involved in waste issues in this area. Happy days.
@18robsmith
@18robsmith 3 жыл бұрын
That's an area of London I must have a wander around one day when we are free to wander.
@AtheistOrphan
@AtheistOrphan 3 жыл бұрын
@@rocketscience4516 - Some ‘rough’ parts are still in evidence, as shown and mentioned in this video, which was shot a few days before posting. Probably won’t be long before they’re gone as well though.
@18robsmith
@18robsmith 3 жыл бұрын
@@rocketscience4516 I frequently walked through the area in the 1970s so I want to see just how much it has changed - for the "better" or "worse".
@martinheath5947
@martinheath5947 3 жыл бұрын
Set yourself free
@paulqueripel3493
@paulqueripel3493 3 жыл бұрын
@@rocketscience4516 I think Brentford's undergoing the same fate.
@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus
@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus 3 жыл бұрын
As well as loading empty trains at Angerstein they also have loaded trains arrive from Bardon Hill (and possibly other places) carrying various grades of stone from the Leicestershire Quarry. I used to drive them in the late 1990s (headcode 6O59) but only from Leicester to Acton Central, a Hither Green driver would relieve you and take it forward......happy days!
@stuarthall6631
@stuarthall6631 3 жыл бұрын
I recall that when I worked at Charing Cross Control Room (making announcements and flicking the leaves of the Solari departure board) someone organised a "special" to Angerstein Wharf using a Hastings diesel unit. This would have been in around 1982'ish. Happy days! Thank you, Jago!
@srfurley
@srfurley 3 жыл бұрын
I did the line once with Hertfordshire Railtours, but it can’t have been the same one as it was later than that. The first of their tours great I went on was in 1984.
@dodgydruid
@dodgydruid 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the Angerstein signal works :D Its funny in back in the sixties, my late father after his long overdue breakdown over the atrocity he witnessed as a young box boy at St Johns, returned to signalling at Charlton working relief from the long gone art deco signalbox covering Charlton Lane, up as far as North Kent Jnc and down as far as Woolwich Arsenal, he used to go on about the wharf and the long long gone Deptford branches and on occasion flagging and linesman duty at Angerstein which he hated as there was no tea to be had. There used to be another fenced off line down towards Erith/Slade Green way you used to be able to see from the London bound trains on the right. My youngest was born in Greenwich, very sad to hear the hospital was pilfered by the property maggots and closed down not that long after :( Do regret leaving my old stamping grounds but the London I knew by the 90's had long gone and was fast becoming a city of people having no sense or idea of community, of people who fawned for those with a penny more than them and despised those with a penny less.
@dodgydruid
@dodgydruid 3 жыл бұрын
Oh forgot to mention, Hither Green's class 71's were assigned to the two engine sheds as the wharf was at one point overhead third rail supply with two of them that languished at HG for years until they were towed for scrapping with a couple of 74's. Those engines despite being weather worn on the outside were kept in remarkable condition by the motive power depot at HG, I think they were taken at first to Stewarts Lane and I remember my father saying he saw a pair of them taken down through Wimbledon A one day and I purposefully went from Bromley South to Victoria to work next day to see if they had moved from Stewarts Lane and yes, they had gone :(
@ANDRSNS
@ANDRSNS 3 жыл бұрын
Yet one more hearty video from Jago to watch sipping a hearty cup of burning hot tea. Thank you for your work, good sir!
@jr1821
@jr1821 3 жыл бұрын
Subscribed. I'm not from the UK, but have visited London on occasion. I'm always intrigued how history shaped a metropolis. And I've found several youtube channels that gave some valuable insights: Londonist Ltd, and Jay Foreman with his excellent Map Men. And now Jago Hazzard. Keep up the good work.
@reynardbizzar5461
@reynardbizzar5461 3 жыл бұрын
Your channel is the only one I watch with regard to railway content. Too many people are just promoting themselves; they are egotistical, conceited and vain. They hurriedly put together something after they’ve been exploring and upload it. Your videos are exceptional, and always good entertainment. We don’t see you; we don’t need to. The topics are varied and the editing of the camera work is very professional. You speak from a good script and in an educated voice. Thank you for uploads
@ExLionTamer2
@ExLionTamer2 3 жыл бұрын
Very happy to see this video about my local area. I live near the Euromix site on Deptford creek, which still sends boats on short journeys down river to the sand works to pick up supplies. It is currently having to use a smaller boat because the lifting bridge on Creek Road is out of use
@countottovanshanoo822
@countottovanshanoo822 2 жыл бұрын
When the Thames Barrier was being built there was a daily (weekday) train of 41 MSV 'tippler' stone wagons (1500 tons give or take) from the Mendips to Angerstein Warf carrying mostly large rocks (boulders really). Never realised how close the barrier is to the warf. Quite how that was handled at the warf end I don't know, we only took it as far as Acton Yard. It was know as the 'Angryswine' turn, it don't think it was personal... Nice to see where it actually went to.
@RobertBrown-ty7he
@RobertBrown-ty7he 3 жыл бұрын
Re the Sweeney, I well remember one incident at a time in the 1990's when I was known as the only bank manager south of the Thames on the monopoly board. We became the most raided bank branch in the country. The Sweeney had offices just up the road, but, on one occasion, they got beaten to the ones being the first to arrive by a WPC on a push bike.
@joshuahalla.k.a.controlla6333
@joshuahalla.k.a.controlla6333 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Edit: This is near my local area. Anyways, after watching another one of ur videos yesterday or a couple or so days ago, I just subscribed to your KZbin channel. ☺️
@michals4249
@michals4249 3 жыл бұрын
This crossing used to be on my route to work , I never really pay any attention to it , only one train over the months , but from now on I see it in deferent light. Thank you
@richardpentelow655
@richardpentelow655 3 жыл бұрын
An old Seagull outboard motor at 1:15. Supposedly a WWII invention as semi-disposable, now mounted on a base with a plaque.
@Aengus42
@Aengus42 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Brixham, Devon & the tenders that took people out to their moored yachts, or trawlers if they weren't at quayside, invariably used a seagull. Absolutely ubiquitous!
@richardpentelow655
@richardpentelow655 3 жыл бұрын
Wikipedia says it started in the 30s and continued to the 90s, although spares are still available. I had one in the 70s, second hand, used it for five years and sold for much the same money. Probably still going if not sunk or destroyed.
@zig_ziggy
@zig_ziggy 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a new Seagull in 1985 and took it across to the Caribbean, where several other British yachts also had seagulls. Sadly they never bred . . .
@highdownmartin
@highdownmartin 3 жыл бұрын
@@zig_ziggy they make a fair amount of noise and mess though
@zig_ziggy
@zig_ziggy 3 жыл бұрын
@@highdownmartin I can't say I noticed more noise and mess than the Mercury I used to replace it - but it was some years ago.
@FergieW93
@FergieW93 3 жыл бұрын
I always find videos about the wharf fascinating. I work on one of the dredgers and we aren’t allowed off the ship to explore here so this was very informative.
@JagoHazzard
@JagoHazzard 3 жыл бұрын
I’m always interested by those dredgers. It feels incongruous to see such a large vessel in London.
@joncrawford3485
@joncrawford3485 3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't everyone have a "mate called Kevin" who makes comments that are almost as sarcastic as Mr Jago's?
@Correon28
@Correon28 3 жыл бұрын
I tried searching among my own friends and mates to see who would be my "mate called Kevin", until Im realised that I am the mate called Kevin...
@jackiebayliss
@jackiebayliss 3 жыл бұрын
My ex was Kevin 🙄 he wasn't intelligent enough to be sarcastic. He was an Asshole.
@AcornElectron
@AcornElectron 3 жыл бұрын
My friends called Kevin (two of them) are nowhere near as witty though. In fact, they’re a bit thick ..... 😂
@AcornElectron
@AcornElectron 3 жыл бұрын
@Jay Tee I’m sure he’s his mothers little golden boy 😉
@joncrawford3485
@joncrawford3485 3 жыл бұрын
Has he got a degree in economics ... Maths, physics and bionics?
@goesbysteve
@goesbysteve 3 жыл бұрын
Very welcome video this morning. Thanks Jago
@cjr6564
@cjr6564 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Jago. I often wondered where that odd bit of railway went. I often see it if I am on the train if it goes via Blackheath. There is quite a busy looking series of tracks where the Blackheath line and the Greenwich line meet up as the levels change quite a bit so it affords a good view. Growing up in Erith which is just a bit further down stream from Greenwich I marvelled at the number of light railways that were active in the area. The area around Crabtree manorway which is south of the North Kent mainline had a light railway serving BICC, BOCM Hercules powder works and Doultons to name but a few then furher East was the Erith light Railway which ran from the Pier in West Street Erith, Through GEC Parsons engineering works and then into Erith sand and Gravel Pits. Alas all now gone. There were a few rails showing in the road in West Street and also a few showing past the site of the old Vox Jennings (Burndepts Electronics) factory famous for their amplifiers and musical instruments as used by some popular beat combos of the 1960s. The Beatles being one well know users. These factory railways were every where when I was growing up. Could always find use for a "Tart Anchor" myself!
@legionnairegonk4425
@legionnairegonk4425 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I often go to North Greenwich peninsula when in London, and walk from the O2 down that pathway past the aggregate docks to my favourite London pub - the Anchor & Hope (worth a visit btw). Never realised this railway was in the vicinity! Despite having watched the video from Geoff and another chap about the crossing before him. So +1 for JH for putting the wider area into context. I shall look out for it next time I go down there...
@nicklowe536
@nicklowe536 3 жыл бұрын
As the south has alot of chalk greak for school boards but bad for roads concrete etc. There are ships that come down from Scotland with quarries stone they used to drop off round there the last time I was last working down on That London
@jacquesmertens3369
@jacquesmertens3369 3 жыл бұрын
Just found my new favourite channel. Eat your heart out, National Geographic.
@Petecope
@Petecope 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant as ever and one with personal resonance. My daughter lives down the road from the entrance to the crossing and when, last year (following Geoff's video) I went exploring there she couldn't have been less impressed. Great that I now have the chance to try and further ignite her interest with all the intriguing facts from your video. [p.s. Eat Turkish - featured in your shot of the Angerstein bridge across the Charlton Road is b!**&y excellent!]
@andyoncam1
@andyoncam1 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating as ever. There's an interesting French website that has maps of every line and station, past and present, in a number of world cities including London. And there on the London map, in detail, is this very line. There's an other little known line that runs from Southall Station for 3 miles down to the West London Waste transfer depot just short of the A4 in Brentford. In days past it continued on to Brentford Dock on the Thames. Along its route there was a tiny stopping point called Trumpers Crossing Halt, and there is also the unique Three Bridges in Hanwell where the line passes under the Grand Union Canal whilst Windmill Lane passes over the top. West London has another similar goods line running from West Drayton Station to Colnbrook. It can passes through the middle of the M25/M4 cloverleaf, and can be seen as one drives along, fitting snuggly between the southbound M25 to westbound M4 and the northbound M25 to eastbound M4 links. In a hat tip to the Three Bridges in Hanwell, the line at this point is directly under the M4 which in turn is under the M25 which is under two more link lanes above. carto.metro.free.fr/documents/CartoMetroLondon.v3.6.pdf
@ianhelps3749
@ianhelps3749 3 жыл бұрын
The line ran from West Drayton to Staines West, ( not connected to the present SWR Staines station). It was severed when the M25 was built.
@JagoHazzard
@JagoHazzard 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I should check that out!
@iankemp1131
@iankemp1131 3 жыл бұрын
I went on a railtour along the Brentford and Colnbrook lines a couple of years ago, but have never seen one on offer to Angerstein Wharf - hadn't realised the line still existed, and it looks in good well-used condition.
@ashleyjarvis954
@ashleyjarvis954 3 жыл бұрын
All very familiar scenes - I live near that crossing, so so handy for the train station! You caught the “character” of the area well :)
@stewartellinson8846
@stewartellinson8846 3 жыл бұрын
Angerstein Wharf and the Angerstein railway were heavily used by the SECR / Southern railway / BR for the delivery of ballast, rails and suchlike things. It was one of the SECR / SR (Eastern sections) major permament way depots. It was also where the SECR planned to build a power station for their suburban electrification although this never went ahead and the planned plant was never built.
@simonwhitlock9189
@simonwhitlock9189 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Oz and thanks for another great video, most enjoyable as always. Good luck and stay safe.
@maryreichle7623
@maryreichle7623 3 жыл бұрын
More greetings from Oz. Thanks for your exceptional research.
@brucewilliams8714
@brucewilliams8714 3 жыл бұрын
@@maryreichle7623 Ditto to both.
@andrewwebster6025
@andrewwebster6025 3 жыл бұрын
There used to be a sports ground in Horn lane where my Dad worked. I can remember back in the 60’s there was shunting going on all day. The line into the sidings was electrified for a while with overhead wire for electric locomotives that normally worked off the third rail but that had disappeared by end of 60’s.
@Omalleypike
@Omalleypike 3 жыл бұрын
I used to live a couple of roads over from this! Used to use the crossing when I was commuting into London via Westcombe Park. Always thought it was odd, only ever saw 1 train use it.
@DaveRyan
@DaveRyan 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent work. I used to live next to the railway with my garden backing on to it. This was back in the 90s and diesel trains often ran along that line, usually on a Sunday morning to my annoyance. Our preferred way he was from the crossing along the line over the bridge and down the bank in to my garden. It was a lot safer than using the road at 2am.
@benmay138
@benmay138 3 жыл бұрын
westcombe park is my local station, Facinating to know more history of the area
@AlfiiSamLe
@AlfiiSamLe 3 жыл бұрын
Everytime my train goes past Westcombe Park I see the track below and wondered what it was for, thanks for making a great video! Looking forward to more 🥰
@pauldemsey1020
@pauldemsey1020 3 жыл бұрын
I saw the narrow gauge in use as a school boy in the mid sixties. It ran from British Ropes ltd and the motive power was a Landover.the line originally ran Futher south to a sand pit now Charlton Football ground but this but closed around the turn of the last century. The Angerstien line also fed industries to the east of the peninsula is British Glass and G A Harvey's who had their own sentinel shunter. Also the tram depot and later Thames metal, Redpath Brown and Thames Metal. Hope this helps fill in some blanks in history of this line.
@danielboulton98
@danielboulton98 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, I live in the area and walked past the end of the line along the river today lol. Saw a DB freight car
@send2gl
@send2gl 3 жыл бұрын
That was an interesting video. Seen Geoff Marshall's video, he dealt with crossing more, your video covered history of the area.
@ROCKINGMAN
@ROCKINGMAN 3 жыл бұрын
I work for Southeatern and live Westcombe Park/Blackheath and was once monitering a diesel loco leaving Angerstein's Wharf with a load of aggregate in tow. The route was via Charlton, Slade Green, Crayford, Sidcup, Hither Green, Lewisham, Peckham Rye, Stewart's Lane, Kensington Olympia, and up towards Leicester. Journey was about 10 hours if I remember correctely. Intersting story of Angerstein. Near Blackheath there is Angerstein's Lane too. I understand there was a track to Blackheath at one time, long since gone. Great video.
@JonathanRichardsonUK
@JonathanRichardsonUK 3 жыл бұрын
Empty carriages head to the wharf around 5.30pm on Fridays. And while you were at the wharf you were right by where the trains parked (or whatever the railway terminology is). It also serves as the boundary between Greenwich and Charlton, if you care about that kind of thing.
@hazelbrewer4590
@hazelbrewer4590 3 жыл бұрын
Further to the Greenwich & District NGRS Zoom meeting last night: - Industrial Railways & Locomotives of the County of London (Industrial Railway Society, 2008) lists Flower & Everett Ltd. as being at Angerstein’s Wharf, Charlton. They were lightermen, wharfingers, dredging contractors, removers of refuse and barge owners. In 1896 they took delivery of a 2’6” gauge 0-4-0ST from Sharp Stewart & Co. (SS 4154) which was named FRED. Later they also had two Kerr Stuart 0-4-0STs (KS 653 of 1899 and 810 of 1903) named BILL and JOE. All three locos were disposed of at an unknown date, probably for scrap but this is not certain. Also, an old OS map shows a timber yard on Christie's Wharf next to Angerstein's Wharf.
@bellamagpie
@bellamagpie 3 жыл бұрын
Oooh, fascinating. I did a photo shoot standing in the bit of track at Angerstein Wharf recently. As I stood there I was pondering the history of the track with the photographer. Then completely by chance a friend sent me your enlightening video. Thank you for the history lesson of my ends 🙏🏻👏🏻
@eattherich9215
@eattherich9215 3 жыл бұрын
I used to live in Humber Road and Westcombe Park was the nearest station. My brothers probably crossed the Angerstein railway line, but I never did. I also never used that footbridge over the Blackwall Tunnel Southern Approach. Scary.
@steves5172
@steves5172 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating to those of us who live some distance away! Thanks Jags.
@robertstorey7476
@robertstorey7476 3 жыл бұрын
very interesting indeed. more please!
@GreenJimll
@GreenJimll 3 жыл бұрын
Industrial dereliction can be surprisingly photogenic. Thanks for another interesting and informative video.
@shaunwest3612
@shaunwest3612 3 жыл бұрын
Great video jago, great to see the old lines in situe, I'm sure they could be reinstated for some use👍👌😀
@SimonRML2456
@SimonRML2456 3 жыл бұрын
Such great commentary to these videos, always look forward to seeing new ones..
@devileddoll
@devileddoll 3 жыл бұрын
It is a lovely walk along the Thames from the flood barriers to Greenwich. Very photogenic and I have taken alot of photos of the Angerstein pier.
@xavierpaquin
@xavierpaquin 3 жыл бұрын
These are so good, great photography. Thanks for sharing your corner of the world.
@wackyrc1394
@wackyrc1394 3 жыл бұрын
You have created your own variant of urban exploration and what a great review of magical London 😎
@tomservo5007
@tomservo5007 3 жыл бұрын
Saudi Arabia probably does buy the sand ... for making concrete
@daveayerstdavies
@daveayerstdavies 3 жыл бұрын
They do kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2PCgXR6p5Wdd6M
@mistywolf312
@mistywolf312 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Arab desert nations sand is too fine and rounded to be used as building materials so they have to import it, ironically some countries also "import" camels from Australia as well!
@somerandomalbinodude
@somerandomalbinodude 3 жыл бұрын
Surprisingly they import sand and camels from Australia as well, because apparently our sand is better for making concrete and apparently Australian camels give better quality meat than what you can get from the camels in Saudi Arabia
@adrianthoroughgood1191
@adrianthoroughgood1191 3 жыл бұрын
@@daveayerstdavies I came to the comments to post that video, but I'm 12 hours too late!
@pulaski1
@pulaski1 3 жыл бұрын
@Coach Camel_Pill Also for making molds for casting iron and steel.
@henryjohnfacey8213
@henryjohnfacey8213 3 жыл бұрын
Defiantly. Lots of potential their. Great video thanks
@DylanWebb101
@DylanWebb101 3 жыл бұрын
The kids are calling it the o2 now 🤣🤣
@cyclist3969
@cyclist3969 6 ай бұрын
One belief is the Angerstein River Wharf is a reserved strategic loading/unloading facility for construction materials in the case of an emergency situation in London
@texaco2735
@texaco2735 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! SO nice to see a video on this line and crossing with actual history and information alongside it!
@likklej8
@likklej8 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the 80s at Lewes I with a friend went to look for the branch to the Bluebell line. Then It was obvious there is a turnout from the station. There was a builders yard carpark backing onto where the trackbed once was. Behind a wire fencing there was a broken track level marker and similarly vandalised LBSR sign. Been back in 2002 all gone.
@gt1957
@gt1957 3 жыл бұрын
Subbed. Watched several of your videos and think you do great work. An American interested in history and seeing the world. Keep up the good work!
@adamvernon82
@adamvernon82 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for all the brilliant content in your videos. Love the way they are narrated. So informative and interesting 👍🙂
@mikesaunders4775
@mikesaunders4775 3 жыл бұрын
A fascinating piece of reportage,illuminating little-known aspects of London's history. What on earth could have upset the lone individual that gave this the thumbs-down .
@Roblilley999
@Roblilley999 3 жыл бұрын
How very dare anyone question any of your excellent knowledge. Another great video Jago
@badbearfilms2017
@badbearfilms2017 3 жыл бұрын
I used to play sometimes in sidings on Sunday mornings when I was young. Back then the track wasn't fenced off and anyone could just walk into them from the footpath that used to run along the Thames. Never saw any trains in operation, just lots of wagons. These days you can't get to it; even a lot of the footpath has changed with little access to the Thames foreshore.
@RUOKH
@RUOKH 3 жыл бұрын
Great audio-presentation of one of the forgotten railways of London. In the mid-1970's I worked for the Permanent Way department of the BR Southern Region and we had a regular train from Angerstein Wharf to (I think) Bricklayers Arms and then down to Redbridge, Southampton, conveying PW equipment, probably concrete sleepers. I am sure that this line could form the focus of a public transport shuttle service from Charlton to Angerstein, similar to the Stourbridge Town People Carrier. What do you think?
@brianparker663
@brianparker663 3 жыл бұрын
I spent six long years doing RICS exams and now you at last tell me that aggregate is "stuff". Where were you 40 years ago? You'd have saved me a whole lot of time and grief! Thanks for nothing ; )
@rolandharmer6402
@rolandharmer6402 3 жыл бұрын
Attractive concept: Apply railway and the place will become more civilised. Thanks Jago.
@PlanetoftheDeaf
@PlanetoftheDeaf 3 жыл бұрын
I'm happy with how the railway is. It's only a short single track branch line, but it serves a really useful function enabling aggregate to be transported around by rail instead of by truck. That area is well served by buses anyway, using what was the busway built for the Millennium Dome
@MrGreatplum
@MrGreatplum 3 жыл бұрын
Splendid stuff, Jago. I only knew of this railway thanks to the foot crossing and the video from a certain Mr G. Marshall. Your video expanded on it and now I can answer quiz questions about a part of London I’m never likely to visit 😀
@nickmorse1970
@nickmorse1970 3 жыл бұрын
As always a very enjoyable short. What you invoke is as interesting as what we see. You have a similar knack at making a story interesting as did Richard Holmes , the military historian did on his series War Walks. He could stand by a lone scraggy old tree beside a long pathway across a barren field on a misty morning in the middle of winter and hold you enthralled about a battle that occurred near there a 100 years ago. You have a similar ability as your narrative covers a remote buddlia covered wall with a rusty metal gate covered in graffiti by a river or rail line and the narrative does the rest. I think it was Tom Stoppard describing a young boys comments about preferring listening to the radio rather than watching TV ‘because the pictures are always so much better’ Thank you once again !!!
@JagoHazzard
@JagoHazzard 3 жыл бұрын
And thank you for the compliment!
@DarrenBates
@DarrenBates 3 жыл бұрын
These are absolutely brilliant.
@TheGalacticEmperorOfLabels
@TheGalacticEmperorOfLabels 3 жыл бұрын
I really like your channel. Thanks for posting.
@Richard_OKeeffe
@Richard_OKeeffe 3 жыл бұрын
The narrow gauge could be used by the mechanics to move parts out to the end of pier when things break, may just be hand pushed trucks now or small battery powered things ............ Just a thought!!!
@chuckboyle8456
@chuckboyle8456 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video again, thanks. Great content of a significantly underserved area begging for improved public service transportation. Very nice distance shot of the mighty River Thames Flood Barrier. That masterpiece in itself is worthy of your exploration...from a land transportation perspective.
@seanbonella
@seanbonella Жыл бұрын
i seen Geoff's ideo not too long along ago. through his video's i seen your's Jago. the best 2 there is, well done. both of you should do a duo vid or something, would be great fun...
@nigelhall6714
@nigelhall6714 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Another wonderful insight into the forgotten areas of London and beyond. Thank you!
@barbarawebster3203
@barbarawebster3203 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your sharing your videos.
@michaela1560
@michaela1560 3 жыл бұрын
Went up it on a Hastings Unit special, then onto Isle of Grain oil terminal. An interesting nerdy day out....
@rin_etoware_2989
@rin_etoware_2989 3 жыл бұрын
"swish" yet another word to add to my usual vocabulary, thank you very much for this
@bryansmith1920
@bryansmith1920 3 жыл бұрын
And he's not talking about the curtain track manufacturer
@MrJonno85
@MrJonno85 3 жыл бұрын
I used to work in this area in the late 80s - I used to wonder about the line contained in the railway bridge above the road. There used to be (maybe there still is) a pub called, I think, the Angerstein Hotel nearby.
@petervenables8857
@petervenables8857 3 жыл бұрын
There is a train most Tuesdays of 2000 tons of granite from Bardon Hill quarry in Leicestershire. This is the aggregates that are dealt with at the wharf.
@TheBenchPressMan
@TheBenchPressMan 3 жыл бұрын
Like the Isle of Dogs, a big surrounding wall and 1 bus route, up until the Canary Wharf development. Thanks for the video!
@marcelvanlimbeek8391
@marcelvanlimbeek8391 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all these great videos. Would you please consider a making video about Bricklayers Arms?
@SeamusMartin1
@SeamusMartin1 3 жыл бұрын
I love your commentary! You should have your own TV show!
@daveconyard8946
@daveconyard8946 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jago great post , Keep safe Dave
@XalphYT
@XalphYT 3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea any of this ever existed. Thank you.
@nigelstringfellow5187
@nigelstringfellow5187 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video ! thanks Jago.
@marcc3514
@marcc3514 3 жыл бұрын
Nice narrative. Thanks
@davidfalconer8913
@davidfalconer8913 2 жыл бұрын
There are a surprising number of videos about this line ( another spotted potential is a great area for the paint spray can enthusiasts , judging by the street art along / around this line ) ...... ( ? ) ........
@cyclist3969
@cyclist3969 6 ай бұрын
The Angerstein Wharf branch was equipped with Southern Railway Overhead 750V DC catenery for powering electric locomotives on the line,
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