The Angry Pilot Who Crashed His Plane | Armavia Flight 967

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This is the story of Armavia flight 967, on the 3rd of may 2006, Armavia flight 967 was on its way from Yerevan, Armenia to Sochi in russia with 113 people on board. At 4:55 pm the captain went over the weather predictions for their destination airport of sochi. The weather was within limits and he decided that it was safe to continue.At 8:39 pm the engines were started and by 8:47 pm the plane took off from yerevan bound for sochi.
As the plane climbed the pilots got a bit of bad news the controller at the Tbilisi regional center gave them the weather for sochi. It wasn't good. The weather at Sochi was below minima and if the weather didn't improve they wouldn't be able to land but The plane climbed and by 9:07 pm the plane was at 34,000 feet, its cruising altitude.
While still under the control of tbilisi regional control the captain decided to contact sochi approach control to get a first hand reading of the weather there. The controller at sochi had bad news, the cloud ceiling for runway 06 was 170 meters and visibility was 2KM that is 550 feet by 6500 feet respectively. It was pretty much the same thing for runway 02. The pilots enquired if the visibility would improve to 2500 meters in about an hour, if the weather improved in an hour then they'd be able to hold for a bit and then land. The controller went to check the weather forecasts, The 2 hour forecast said that visibility would drop to 1500 meters or 4900 feet. Instead of getting better the weather was expected to get worse. Their hands were tied the crew decided to turn back to yerevan. As they started to make the trip back to yerevan they tried the weather at sochi one more time, this time the pilots told the controllers at sochi that they had deputies on board, I guess in this context deputies are very important people, VIPs if you will, here's the thing though the crew lied there were no deputies on board this was just a ploy to get a favorable weather report from the Sochi controller. Soon the sochi controller got back to them, the weather had improved, the controller said “Armavia 967, visibility 3600, cloud ceiling 170, for 30 minutes. The weather is around the limit, but OK so far”. The weather was okay, for now, there was no guarantee that it would hold and with that they turned back to sochi.
As they flew they went over the go around briefing, just a discussion on what they'd do if they had to go around. But things were starting to unravel in the cockpit, the plane was being flown by the autopilot and the captain couldn't get the plane to descend as fast as he wanted, they thought that there was something wrong with the autopilot. So they disengaged autopilot two and switched to autopilot one.
It was 10 pm and the plane was in contact with the Sochi approach. The weather was good, visibility was at 4000 meters or 13,000 feet. But the controllers noticed that flight 967 was a bit too high, they told the crew quote “If able, expedite descent or you’ll overshoot the final turn.”end quote, they were a bit too high, nothing that can't be fixed. By 10:03 pm the plane was passing through 12000 feet and the controller cleared them down to 2000 feet as they made the turn to final.
As the autopilot flew the plane they went about their approach checklist, but they got some bad news, the visibility was good but the clouds were too low, the cloud base was at 160 meters or 500 feet, this crew were asked to not descend below 2000 feet. This pissed the pilots off, as they went through the checklist they hurled insults at the controller, for example, the captain said

[@MrKilarii]

Captain: "I got deputies " Controller: "Well why did you not say so buddy, we will move the weather on" What a loophole to change weather i never knew

[@minchmoorramblers6856]

Sounds like Jeremy DeWitte was talking to ATC!

[@marcodeodorico7618]

in any case, it's a pity there were no deputies on board...

[@seanoconnell5829]

Trump changed the weather

[@mauricedavis8261]

Unbelievable!!!🙏🛬😪

[@Relkond]

On the plus side.... this style of business management conforms well to Darwinian correction.

[@veronly2]

I’m not a pilot, but I love aviation, and one sad thing is, the rules in aviation are written in blood

[@AverageAlien]

same goes for everything else

[@ivechang6720]

Safety regulations in general. I'm constantly amazed at how easily we disregard them. Sadly myself included, not often though.😅

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

The sad thing is that many more rules still need to be written.

[@garylefevers]

Well said. Same in mining where my wife's grandfather and great grandfather were killed in Harlan County Ky. Other industries are not forward thinking either.

[@wahyudyatmika5119]

As an Aerospace Engineer student, I'd say about 80% of it written because someone did stupid/plain shitty things

[@hensontauro]

Such a shocking lack of professionalism from the pilots. It's a shame that they took so many blameless people with them.

[@foreverpinkf.7603]

In the end they all are human beings with all their failures. Third world airlines and their crews seem to be always problematic. Again computer control is working against human control. Result is stalling the plane, a golden thread in most of this accidents.

[@maurice7413]

@@foreverpinkf.7603 Armenia is not a third world country.

[@grundergesellscahftmkii6196]

@@maurice7413 cope

[@marinazagrai1623]

Ferrator…they were irresponsible, but also they suffered as the Egyptian pilot (who had 30K flying hours and flew in war) who crashed his plane when he was afflicted by vertigo (he pitched his plane because he thought he was going down too soon).

[@philipgibbs2015]

@Fidd88SIMPLIFY THE PROBLEM. When in any doubt...JUST FLY THE AIRCRAFT ! " I have control ! Autopilot off, Autothrust off, Power climb or TOGA, Flaps to approach, positive climb? Gear up! Fly as you were taught right in the beginning.. on the guages!

[@davidwheatcroft2797]

Seems like classic spiral dive to me. I have experienced it, narrowly escaping with my life because of superb RAF training.......in a spiral dive, pulling back on the stick does NOT make you go up. It merely TIGHTENS the turn. Is terrifying; against common sense, and you want to panic/quit. I remembered my instructor's calm voice, "Its not difficult. Power back to idle to reduce rate of descent. Roll wings LEVEL using artificial horizon; pull hard; hope; when the "little bird" well up into the blue (on AH), full power; trim as speed bleads off....." Surviving was like walking on air; was proud of myself.

[@gpaull2]

What?!?! After several decades in aviation I’ve never heard anybody call anything a “spiral dive”. Do you mean a stall or a spin? Your description is definitely NOT how to recover from a spin. I’d love to know how you got wings level on the artificial horizon with the nose painted straight down, and why that would even matter in a spin recovery???

[@millomweb]

Seems like a classic 'lost in space' - not understanding your orientation - and totally ignoring instruments !

[@larrydugan1441]

@@gpaull2 nonsense

[@davidwheatcroft2797]

@@gpaull2 I am an instrument pilot given a Permanent Commission by Her Majesty, and built my own aerobatic a/c. In a spin, the ASI shows a low steady speed. In a spiral dive, the speed increases very rapidly. As long as not tumbled, the AH of course will show your bank regardless of nose down angle. A spiral dive killed JFK junior, his wife and her sister. You are NOT a pilot. I am. Aerobatics, formation, low level, instruments. EVERY pilot knows about spiral dives - the IMPORTANT thing is that pulling back on the controls just makes things worse. You are showing your ignorance. I SURVIVED a spiral dive; over sped the engine and Vne - did not report it, as it would have been the end of my career,,,,,,,,trying to complete a Navex, I went thru clouds that got thicker, till totally socked in.......speed increasing, noise deafening.....

[@davidwheatcroft2797]

@Jay M Thank you. Facing death like that, changes you. Because my training saved me, I was not worried my next flight.....as young pilots, we had our own "batman" to clean our clothes and bring us tea in the morning - at 18! We also partied very hard, playing mess games, breaking the furniture! Fun. Nothing ever said. I got terrible nightmares when doing aeros - dreaming of auguring in, frantically pulling back; waking in a sweat. With our Officer's Pass, no speeding tickets! Best 3 years of my life.....got to see an H bomb! "Do not look at that thing!" Best wishes. CAVU skies!

[@kevinbarry71]

In my opinion; the pilot was demonstrating his incompetence by obeying his inner ear instead of his instruments like he supposed to

[@sarowie]

there are other incidents with faulty instruments where people complain about the opposite. It would be somewhat helpful to use simulator footage in bad weather, when that was a major contributor to the accident.

[@kevinbarry71]

@Fidd88 don't make excuses; it's one of the most basic skills you must learn when you're trying to fly and instruments. Simple incompetence got everybody killed

[@hayleyxyz]

I'm curious, do they test for this at all in training? Like in a full-motion simulator, simulate the same scenario that induces this illusion? I've seen a few crashes where this has been a factor.

[@hayleyxyz]

@Fidd88 Ah yeah I see, thanks for the explanation. Watching these accidents I'm internally screaming "look at your instruments!" so yeah I guess it is just a failure of the pilot not constantly verifying their situational awareness with instruments.

[@steves659]

@@sarowie The number of times the instruments are wrong in a transport category jet are minuscule ... the number of times the guy in the seat is wrong is far far greater!

[@PassiveSmoking]

He really expletived things up. Never fly angry. This is far from the only accident caused by a pilot in a bad mood.

[@sure5291]

Or one should not drive angry,

[@Milesco]

_"He really expletived things up."_ And he expletived it in _Russian,_ no less!

[@eddycarpenter8989]

Between this accident, the one with the drunken pilot and the one where the kid crashed the plane. I think I'll pass on flying with Russian airlines carriers

[@blvckgoogle]

@@eddycarpenter8989 this is Armenian airline

[@eddycarpenter8989]

@@blvckgoogle ah ok

[@tirsocanales8366]

I had flown with some of those “professional” pilots from the east...what happens in the video are my concerns every time I have to ride with them , no crm, no briefing, no sops, no aircraft knowledge ...but the worse thing is they have an Airbus A320 type rating, maybe they open the Kellogg’s box and is a license there!

[@alandauer8005]

Yet another reason to not travel to 3rd world countries. If crime, disease, food poisoning, or car accident won't get you, you still have the pilots to worry about. Those countries are filled with people who are too incompetent to get out.

[@dm-fw3qu]

@@alandauer8005 Exactly correct!

[@dm-fw3qu]

Right. They're called "shit holes" for a reason;)

[@julosx]

Actually, your words "license in the Kellogg's box" is actually real when it comes to driving cars. In Russia you're not expected to have go through an examination of your knowledge or your handiness at the controls of a car. You buy your license online and it's perfectly legal. That explains a lot of what we've been seeing on the interwebz for years.

[@dhatrishdixit6004]

@@alandauer8005 ya definitely the most competent west who cant even handle covid ,were fighting on whether to wear the mask or not 🤣🤣dont worry kid as they say this is Asia's century just wait and watch

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Honestly, I think stuff like this is why people are scared of flying. When you drive either you're in control or someone you know and trust is in control. When you're flying the guy who is guiding this giant hunk of explosive metal through the sky could either be the most intelligent, chill guy ever, or they could be a dumbass or asshole. No amount of "you're more likely to die driving to the airport than on the plane" will help calm the nerves of people who just don't trust the person they've never even seen who is entrusted to get them somewhere safely

[@Amanda-C.]

Fortunately, pilots are generally much more thoroughly trained, tested, and overseen than drivers. They have a redundant pilot in the cockpit, and very strong training requirements to both acquire and maintain their accreditation. Depending on the jurisdiction (and its vulnerability to corruption), these requirements are strictly enforced, with re-training and suspension available as options in case of even non-injurious incidents.

[@misseselise3864]

i think his training kicking in is why he pitched the nose down. he was being impatient about landing and that frustration affected his ability to actually look at the situation to decide what to do

[@amazinginformation2024]

Pilot: "Carrying Deputies" Controller: "Deputies?" Pilot over PA to passengers: Ladies and Gentleman, we got 'em Pilot to Controller: Depu-DEEZ NUTZ!

[@paulyoung7551]

6:46 Haha, your tail number is MINI-ACI. Nice touch!

[@dm-fw3qu]

yeah I caught that too, well done, MACI;)

[@fredorman2429]

Flying conditions are what they are. This pilot was immature and unprofessional.

[@Steampunksaly]

How do you know this?

[@DrSabot-A]

@@Steampunksaly Lying that they have VIPs onboard and demanded better weather just like the video said and explained?

[@andrzejwitowiak1353]

Love the channel branding on the plane, wonderful idea MINI-ACI :) Unobtrusive and elegant :)

[@alanemarson]

I was just about to comment on that too! Really great touch :)

[@8bitorgy]

yet another crash where the pilots were so mentally unprepared they forgot to retract the flaps. IT'S THE THING THAT CAUSES DRAG. IF YOU WANT TO FLY FORWARD YOU NEED TO RETRACT THOSE. But I get it, they were so pissed, they were flippant in their attitude with the go-around procedure.

[@pancake5830]

but if the flaps were extended wouldnt it create lift?

[@Userxyz-z2d]

The landing gear was down too

[@jillnye8371]

@@pancake5830 I know this was awhile ago lol but generally the first notch of flaps creates lots of lift, the second notch creates even more lift and a small amount of drag, and the last notch creates large amounts of drag.

[@TheLukebrace10]

I rarely comment but I just wanted to say I love your content. Very thorough! Thanks for the hard work

[@sarahalbers5555]

Same. I love Mini!

[@TheLukebrace10]

@@sarahalbers5555 yeah I used to wait ACI but this is equally as good or better!

[@manojbala6870]

Hey. Wonderful case study. You’re right about the gulf air case but the flydubai crash in Russia comes to mind. No doubt it was somatosensory illusion. But having flown in corporate, I can understand the stress on crew is understandable . Gethomeitis don’t you think Edit: tcas procedures for A320 tells the crew to disengage fd because we will be in speed mode (with both fd off, fm1 I the master). I didn’t quite get that point. Auto thrust should be active of course “pitch the plane DOWN to avoid the red bars”: is wrong. A big fan of your channel to bring these unheard/ lesser known cases into study

[@TedApelt]

I love the breathtaking clarity of your animations. Really beautiful.

[@liz-js7xc]

I’m pretty sure he uses Microsoft Flight Simulator for his videos. It is an incredibly accurate simulator with amazing graphics, if you have a good enough GPU to handle it.

[@ronniewall1481]

I THINK BEING OVERLY UPSET HAD SOMETHING POSSIBLY TO DO WITH IT. I'VE GOT VERTIGO FROM STRESS.

[@asteverino8569]

Heck if I know which theory is more likely. Thanks for another great episode. Flying takes ability to see what’s going on and getting yourself out of the equation. It’s not easy.

[@RatPfink66]

it's hideously complex. you're literally riding on a matrix of abstractions, and it is constantly shifting.

[@dennissharpe8356]

Thank you for your insight. I am learning to be a pilot and this was very helpful. I recognized some issues but, your description was very good.

[@TinyWords]

The aeroplane systems were doing what it was instructed and programmed to do to ensure the aircraft was safe but the pilots did not like what the aircraft systems was doing and the pilots overrode the systems. Before flying, the pilots should know everything about the autopilot and the systems of the aeroplane. The attitude of many eastern European people is 'I can do anything, I do not need to read or learn how to do something, and I do not need a machine or computer system or a controller telling me what to do and how to do it'. The pilots were determined to land.. 'I have VIP's on board, I'm going to land the plane whether you like it or not!!'

[@robertrobert5188]

hi tinywords. I suggest that the comment "the attitude of many eastern European people is ' I can do anything, I do not need to read or learn.......' might be racist. I am not eastern European. I am Australian. I have seen this attitude in all manner of people, no matter their background. I will acknowledge that Cockpit Resource Management is adversely affected where status is too highly valued. This is as true of Eastern Europe as it is of Asia, Central and South America and Africa. More work needs to be done in addressing the cultural "big man, little man" idea. Acknowledging that 2 functioning heads are better than their sum parts as much as 2 non- functioning heads are worse than one would be a good start.

[@abebuckingham8198]

@@robertrobert5188 I agree. Anytime you generalize about a few billion people you're making a mistake. It just can't possibly be true.

[@Awest101784]

I can’t even begin to imagine what was going through passengers heads…knowing they literally were minutes away from landing….

[@bigdaddy6196]

He sounds like he’s reading a bedtime story 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AaronWandinger]

Kudos to you never begging for a sub/comment/like like all the others. That’s one of the reasons i started following.

[@Rincypoopoo]

I would like Gulf Air covered by you. I am curious as to why BOTH pilots were so keen on landing ? Why not just go back ? They had "getonthegrounditis" really bad. Witness the last minute go around and rage. Both pilots again. I wonder if they were a bit pissed (drunk) and going home would have resulted in them being caught... ? Or was money involved ? Something. The confusion and mistakes in the cockpit could indicate intoxication of some kind. Either way the fact that their moods were identical and that they just HAD to land strikes me as odd. The pitch down is old school. Any hint of a stall and you power on , nose down. Instinctive esp if you are off of it on something

[@mikewoodman2872]

I agree, there is another piece of this story that needs to be told to understand the motivations of the pilots. Based on the fact that they both became highly irritated to the point of dangerous incompetence, it leads me to believe they knew each other (as opposed to "shiftwork" where pilots arrive for work and may or may not be paired with someone they have previously flown with). That being the case, what could it be? What could lead both pilots to commit such grievous infractions? Were they intoxicated as you posit? Did they have some family emergency to get to? Had they been overworked to point of exhaustion? Or had they both gotten in hack with the airline for consistently arriving late to their destinations, thereby costing the airline $ and pushing those pilots to arrive on time, safety be damned? Perhaps one day we will find out.

[@Croz89]

@@mikewoodman2872 It could be as simple as the delay eating into precious time off, they might not be able to take another day to compensate, the airline would allow them their minimums and then put them straight back on the flight deck. Other airlines might pull in a standby crew so this crew could get the full time off they requested, but with an airline on a tight budget, they might not do that. Especially if the crew were overworked as you say, and had to fight for time off, I could see that being a very strong incentive to get home ASAP.

[@rolandguiscard]

Having watched so many of these videos, and also being more familiar with model and toy aircraft, it astounds me how incredibly narrow flight envelope is for a commercial airliner. You really don't think about it, but in order to optimize both passenger capability and fuel economy, you really have to keep the plane within a very narrow area of speed and angle at all times, and a failure to maintain that speed and angle can be very quickly dangerous.

[@philhughes3882]

I remember the very early simulators and having no understanding of the parameters you describe, 747s would drop out the sky at the drop of a hat - or the tilt of a wing. My 100% record of total hull loss crashes opened my eyes to the complexities involved. Grim Reaper Airlines closed after two weeks.

[@rolandguiscard]

@@philhughes3882 The only aircraft I've ever actually flown in real life are ultralights and parachute gliders, and the amount of input you can throw into those things without ever exceeding their flight envelope is incredible when compared to commercial airliners. They are deliberately designed to give you an extremely large margin of safety, and the more I watch these videos, the more drastic I realize that Margin actually is.

[@politenonparticipant4859]

Tremendous tragedy for the loss of lives of the passengers. Slightly smaller tragedy there were no deputies aboard when it went down, would have massively improved millions of lives had the plane been full of corrupt monsters. And something of a tragedy that the arrogant pilot lost his life instead of merely losing his license. Either way, he can't endanger passengers anymore, so that's one problem sorted at the highest cost possible. (Yes, there is some dark humor in this, but please understand I do feel a great sadness for the loss of human life)

[@jjquinn2004]

When you first referenced a Gulf Air flight, I thought you meant the one that crashed in the UAE desert, GF 771. It crashed in 1983, but the report didn't come out until 1987 - 4 years later. In the interim, I moved to Dubai and the place was rife with speculation that it had accidentally been brought down by a surface-to-air missile set off by the GCC defense force. The report stated that a bomb brought it down, but given that the report took so long to be issued, rumors persisted of a cover-up. However, I can also believe the reason for the crash as stated in NTSB's report. Regardless of the reason, it would be very interesting to have you create a video on the crash.

[@glamdolly30]

Yes please, would love one of your superb videos on the Gulf Air crash. This was a fantastic reconstruction - just tragic, they were so close to avoiding disaster.

[@Suburp212]

Excellent video. With all that swearing, the pilots proved they were incapable of flying this plane.

[@michaelshea5165]

Anger distorts perception because it directs attention inappropriately leading to a high probability of wrong actions. Road rage can happen in the air as well as on the ground. People who can't control their passions have no more business flying or driving than someone who has been drinking.

[@stuartlee6622]

Please do the Electra whirlmode crashes. Northwest 710 and the Braniff Buffalo, Texas one.

[@dennissharpe8356]

The capt was trying to level the plane per the co-pilot but while the flaps were down the power to climb was inhibited and caused the plane to continue a roll right. When they increased the power they ended up forcing the right roll even harder and lost critical altitude. Does this sound right?

[@Cobra-ky9bt]

I can still hear my CFII all these years later in my headset: "Smaller corrections sooner, smaller corrections sooner. Watch your AI, what's it doing? Smaller corrections sooner." My guess is on top of the get-there-itis, the captain decided his inner ear knew better than his instrument cluster. And the F.O. should have verbally called for control if he knew what was up. Both of them are to blame.

[@TheFULLMETALCHEF]

How can you be a full captain and not understand autopilot?

[@tomstravels520]

You could have just moved from one aircraft to the other. You don’t loose your rank when switching aircraft

[@halojump123]

Here in the States the answer would be AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

[@christhorney]

perhaps he was pushing the nose down because the low speed warning

[@battyjoe]

FlyDubai 981 was also an instance of somatogravic illusion (amongst other things) leading to a crash. I think this Armavia crash was exactly that, it was dark cloudy with no visual references, I somehow doubt that it was reverting to TCAS procedures. I don’t know the details of the approach and minima, but if it was a Cat I ILS the conditions don’t sound bad for it. 190m is around 600ft and Cat I is normally 200ft, the visibility minimum fo Cat I generally is 550m so this sounded like it should have been OK. Well presented video.

[@PinkAgaricus]

I would say it's probably a combination of both with a lot of other factors, especially the captain (main pilot) not fully understanding the auto-pilot. That pilot sounds like they'd do better behind a full manual plane.

[@b.t.356]

TBH I feel like that this is more of a case of unprofessional pilot behaviors especially since one of them said *expletive* the controller

[@Chumon30]

Audio quality is sub-par in this video. Other than that, short but filled with critical details as usual. Always excited for a new MACI

[@vilasshinde5820]

If the ATC would have instructed the crew "not cleared to land. Go around" this accident wouldn't hàve happened. The çrew would have executed the standard go around procedure of TOGA power and Flaps one step retracted. Instead ATC told them to stop descent and climb to 2100ft and right turn. The fatigued and stressed out crew tried literally to carry out the ATC instructions in climb mode with gear and full flaps down and climb power. As the aircraft struggled to climb in climb power dropping speed they didn't know what to do. They did hit TOGA eventually with dropping speed but unnecessarily disengaged the AP. Trying to fly manually in disoriented state carried out excessive inputs and crashed.

[@ioanniskomitas6196]

Its a miracle there are no more crashes…

[@EstorilEm]

New drinking game, take a shot every time “Sochi” is mispronounced lol. Normally I don’t care, but that was brutal.

[@deversandbello]

Couldn’t he have pitched the nose down in order to avoid stalling out? The speed speed speed warning would have signified a potential stall, even at low altitudes it would be neccesary for the pilot to pitch the nose down to increase airflow over the wings regardless of how much power is being sent to the engines. Many other mistakes were made but this could be an excusable attempt to save the plane

[@Ronin4614]

Egos - V- Weather = Weather always wins.

[@stevensteven3417]

low terrain......pull up, low terrain......pull up.

[@R.-.]

Two pilots cancelling each other's controls is like two opposing political ideals controlling one country. A disaster.

[@congq6825]

The controller didn’t used the correct Go-Around phraseology which might lead to them did not execute the correct Go-Around procedure(flaps retraction& gear up) which might eventually lead to the lack of power and excessive drag?

[@mathieu3201]

The lack of blame put on ATC is surprising. One of the 1st event that lead to the crash is the weather "clearing" when ATC learnt of the deputies. Deputies shouldn't influence weather given by ATC. Then there is what happened for the landing: first, clearing to land, then interrupting the landing because of weather. Surely the weather didn't suddenly worsen during the landing? Also, why didn't ATC order a go around instead of a weird "climb"?

[@semsemeini7905]

Lesson: Don't fly at night.

[@markokelly2494]

"The deputies made me do it!"

[@steveskipper6473]

Captain on his way to meet his mistress in Sochi.

[@kevinbarry71]

More incompetent pilots. By the way, what kind of airplane was it?

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

I was wondering which model as well. No mention of it. Could it be the Sukhoi Superjet 100 ?

[@razzberry4756]

very good and informative video, you’ve earned a sub :)

[@stevenspilly]

Armenian's be like "my coffee was a bit cold, fuck y'all, I'ma crash this plane"

[@Adam_hc]

The real meaning of rage quit

[@supertekkel1]

The averaging of dissimilar pilot input still amazes me.

[@stanhankins3175]

It’s very important to have a good pilot !!

[@Biodegradable-Trash9005]

I commented on another videos- so if you see me again hi Ig- There were other versions I heard of armavias fate, one of them being that the pilots were pissed because the air traffic controller kept telling them to go around the airport. Once the airplane finished the first round the air traffic controller told them to go for a second round, and during that time the pilot said they can't because if they did the plain would fall due to extreme low fuel, that's what made the pilots nervous. During that second round it was already to late, the plane ran out of fuel and quickly started falling. If you heard different versions of this planes fate pls tell me here! Also please don't go at me its just what I heard-

[@macandrewes]

The right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing. Just like AF447. Scarebus gamer-driven engineering strikes again. Just one of several crashes that wouldn't have happened in a Boeing. "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going."

[@dodoubleg2356]

Just curious...If the PIC see's an over-speed/red bar indication, why would he/she pitch the aircraft down, since a nose down attitude would almost certainly increase the plane's airspeed, unless they threw out the speed brakes?? Not arguing or disagreeing w/your statements, I'm genuinely just curious.

[@skullyjones8234]

Tragic. They sent a fully functional Plane into the Ocean....😢😢

[@pummyy]

looks like they fly on approximation wow !!

[@dodoubleg2356]

Since the difference between their current altitude & target altitude was greater than 1,200ft, the AP will pitch the aircraft up at a sharper angle but WON'T increase the thrust from CLIMB POWER to TOGA POWER?? Seems counter intuitive to me. Does that have anything to do w/the AUTO-THROTTLE system which may have been turned off since they were landing 🛬 (or trying to)?? Just trying to better understand, thx. 😉

[@tomstravels520]

No that’s not what it means. If the thrust levers are set to CLB detent then the maximum thrust that is allowed is climb power. When an OPEN CLIMB is selected the autothrust will set climb power and aircraft will pitch to maintain the selected speed. At smaller altitude differences it will use less thrust and still pitch to maintain speed. Ideally though you would use V/S mode

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Hey btw, not quite sure why but it feels like the audio is worse in this video than most of your others. Not a big issue, just sorta weird

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

Is it there for the entire video? Or just the start?

[@Wayfarer-Sailing]

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation - For me more noticeable at the start, but maybe I got used to it subsequently. A lack of higher frequencies in your voice, making the audio sound slightly muffled. Still very enjoyable (if that's an appropriate description) as are all your videos :)

[@beargryllsstungbybees3186]

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation just at the start

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation yeah it's just at the start it seems. Idk why haha, kinda weird. Only stood out because your audio is usually really good

[@marinazagrai1623]

Oh my god! This was just it wotked during communist times! No politicians or party personnel were expected to wait for better weather. Many, here in the comment section, don’t realize that some of these pilots did their training during the era that followed the fall of communism and it was a disaster - the former countries that made up the former USSR were learning how to govern themselves and having a system of checks and balances for agencies that control pilot testing, qualification etc…all that involves public safety. It would take a whole page to explain this!

[@mikederucki]

Seems like these autopilot related accidents always involve a pilot that somehow forgets how to hand-fly an aircraft.

[@obombabeenlaid5101]

So, did the deputies perish too?

[@oscarjosefsson9300]

So, I think it is quite stupid that the auto pilot will attempt a steep climb if it is very inappropriate to do so. Like in this case when they don't have full throttle, the landing gear is down and flaps are applied. Also the function that the plane averages out the inputs from the two pilots. The pilots need to agree on what to do and they need to know what the other person is doing. That is I think the planes should be designed so that you can feel what the other person is doing.

[@htspencer9084]

Two things: 1) Why on earth would an autopilot opt for a pitch angle when there wasn't enough throttle to support it? That seems like a major design fault. 2) Imho, plane's shouldn't allow for simultaneous pilot input, one yoke should be master and when that is supplying input, the other should be completely ignored. I see no justification for how a simultaneous "average" of the inputs to be in any way helpful. Yes there was a lot of pilot error in this crash, but I genuinely think these facts about the autopilot (if true) are massive oversights.

[@tomstravels520]

So what if one pilot is pushing down and the other pilot realises they are about to crash? Then they aren't able to do anything because the other pilot is pitching down

[@serge9492]

deputies are the VERY important people. They work in the council or kind of like that

[@dzxstche6864]

atc: sorry bro you gotta go around pilot: *VISIBLE FRUSTRATION* moments later the plane crashed

[@coca-colayes1958]

I not sure how to answer , it’s sad really , thanks mate , love your work

[@LtNduati]

Get home-itis is possibly the worst reason for a crash. The plane is fine, the airport is fine, there are backups, it's damn near entirely preventable, and most forms of disorientation stem from unnecessary added stress in conditions that the industry specifically says shouldn't be flown in because it's unsafe, and usually these types of crashes are not survivable because they are CFIT (controlled flight into terrain). Worse still is that fundamentally if proper procedures were followed it would not have happened at all, or if it started to go wrong, there's usually enough time to correct the issue.

[@PeterNGloor]

If you show an Airbus 320 - they normally have autoland capability. Was it a different type, or was the airport not so equipped?

[@alwandminasyan3579]

The pilot turned it off so he could did it himself

[@MegaSunspark]

Another great video. But in this crash, personally I think it was stupidogravic illusion.

[@evolancer211]

What's up with the moon? It's shaped like a guitar pick lol

[@richardshiggins704]

Pity there were no pilot deputies onboard .

[@mikemoreno4469]

Could it be he pitched the nose down when he heard the slow-speed warning?

[@WasifChowdhury737]

Short horror story in a few words.... “Captain didn’t understand the autopilot system fully”

[@MM-tt7hy]

Its like a mechanic that doesn't understand how a wrench works.

[@setoman1]

@MM1989 Ahahahaha. Our shop retired wrenches a long time ago. Labor/hour is a thing, impact drivers save a lot of money.

[@ByzantineDarkwraith]

@@setoman1 does your shop repair vehicles for russian troop--I mean, separatist militants, mr. novorossiya?

[@setoman1]

@Byzantine Darkwraith Negative. Russian planes don't need repair. They are perfect by design. Mr usurper.

[@WasifChowdhury737]

@@setoman1 can't argue with that

[@GREGORYABUTLER]

"Deputies" = members of parliament (equivalent to congressmen here in the US)

[@Dr.K.Wette_BE]

Oh, and can they also change the weather at will ? 😁

[@chasedavidson2855]

@@Dr.K.Wette_BE the govt can but we're not supposed to know that (joke)

[@Dr.K.Wette_BE]

@@chasedavidson2855 They can make worse. It might be sunny outside but they can make thousands of people feel like rainy day with just on stupid speech !

[@SomePerson_Online]

Autopilot: *trying to save the plane* Pilot: “Nah we got this.” Autopilot: Mother-

[@iamReddington]

Human error is always, always at fault in situations like this.

[@4realjacob637]

@@iamReddington I wouldn't say that much. Many pilots save planes from certain doom

[@holyfordus]

@@4realjacob637 That is definitely the case in many instances, but in the modern context crashes and hull losses are due to pilot error more often than not.

[@4realjacob637]

@@holyfordus for small planes yeah. There's so many safety features and training for pilots on commerical planes that everything needs to go wrong for a fatal crash

[@marjoriemorris5849]

@@4realjacob637 that is why these documentaries always show that multiple things went wrong to cause a crash. Only one thing goes wrong and you can probably correct the issue and save the plane. If you can’t save the plane, it’s because several things are happening that are coming together in a perfect storm. (For those who aren’t familiar with the term “perfect storm,” it’s a figure of speech - I’m not saying there’s necessarily a literal storm in the context of discussing a plane crash.)

[@suzannehartmann946]

I don't care why the captain pushed the nose down he should have returned to the previous airport when told the weather was too bad to land not demanded a better weather report like he could command the skies.

[@dm-fw3qu]

Thank you. Problem solved. The pilot's ego was the main problem.

[@razzberry4756]

fully agree

[@lyte561]

it was greed because we get paid for flight hours so going back would have been shorter and this is a domestic flight so if one cycle is ruined the entire days flight plane would have to be canceled , this is why non stop flight pilots puh the margin just so they can get paid more , and if I was the captain ( I am a a340 f/o in real life) I would have done a go around or a flyby but they were to fatigued I guess.

[@adotintheshark4848]

First they BS'd the controllers about the "deputies" to get a bogus weather report, then when things didn't go their way they cussed out the controller and each other, in Russian no less. What could possibly go wrong?

[@arohlfing527]

@KombatBard ,,,

[@douro20]

Not Armenian?

[@adotintheshark4848]

@@douro20 I don't speak either language, so it all sounds Greek to me

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

why does it matter if it is Russian?

[@jimimeldhedegaardkristense6066]

I don't think they got a bogus report, but they did push the ACC controller to checking it again. Most ATCO's wouldn't bend a weather report for pilots.

[@uneseulenuit]

“Deputies” could refer to members of the Armenian parliament, as other European parliamentary democracies use that term for their elected officials

[@minchmoorramblers6856]

It could mean state certified deputies of Metro State Services.

[@tomsommer8372]

Armenia is neither Europen nor a parliamentary democracy.

[@smcdonald9991]

@@tomsommer8372 Armenia has a parliament (National Assembly) and its members are called Deputies.

[@cohen200]

I think deputies were also commonly used for government officials during Soviet times, the captain might just be showing his age.

[@MrKotBonifacy]

Yes, "депутаты" (plural of депутат) is commonly used in Russia (and former Soviet states) in a sense "MP's" (members of parliament), so saying "we have deputies" would be akin to someone saying "we got [important] members" (on board) - obviously not referring to "members of the crew" or his own "members" (or even THE member of his). So yes, in essence it would be like saying "we got VIPs".

[@tomstravels520]

If he saw the red bars and mistook them for TCAS that doesn’t make a lot of sense. The TCAS RA indicator is on the right hand side and the overspeed would be on the left. And if it were an overspeed warning you wouldn’t pitch down you’d pitch up if anything.

[@togafly.]

No no listen again thats not what he meant

[@togafly.]

Lets say you are at a low alltitude and low speed if tcas tells you to climb you may stall the aircraft. To prevent this additional training is given

[@tomstravels520]

@@togafly. what he said was he may have seen what he thought was the TCAS red bars above his vertical speed and had to pitch down to avoid entering the red area. But the display is on the opposite side so why would it confuses him?

[@williamhuang8309]

@@Grauenwolf Also they were already pretty stressed, making the situation even worse.

[@caw7007]

Yes please do the Gulf Air accident. Great videos. It's like a non-dramatized, and therefore concise version of "Air Disasters". Telling the story in straightforward factual manner is great. Love it

[@RupertReynolds1962]

Mayday/Air Crash Investigation only succeeded as long as there was nothing better. They treat us like goldfish and repeat everything 3 or 4 times. KZbin channels like this one have raised the bar A LOT :-)

[@mauricedavis8261]

I agree, excellent channel!!!🙏🛫😷

[@hayleyxyz]

@@RupertReynolds1962 Hey hey ACI is still good. They do over-dramatise a lot, and keep the real outcome of the investigation secret until the very end, but it's still a great show. I grew up on it, and it's what sparked my love for aviation. It's a different feel, but I love the immersion of the reenactment, even if it's a bit cheesy. Maybe nostalgia idk 🤷‍♀️

[@erichusmann5145]

I was going to say: Asking if this crowd wants another video is like asking Winnie the Pooh if he wants more honey. Don't bother asking just start planning for where to slot it in.

[@mauricedavis8261]

@@erichusmann5145 that's the ticket!!!🙏🛫👍😷

[@preacherF-15]

I'm a former F15C/D fighter pilot and a retired Airline Captain with Continental. This is one of the worst cases of poor/inadequate flight crew training I've seen. A serious lack of fundamental understanding of basic flight crew coordination, a complete lack of understanding when it came to flight control systems, an inability to apply proper training techniques or implement emergency checklists- a seeming inability to even recognize a developing

[@jellybeans6533]

Got to love pilots that cannot control their egos, let alone their aircraft. They were completely unprofessional and had not place in the cockpit.

[@HEDGE1011]

I don’t understand your TCAS conjecture around the 11:00 mark. You’re talking about how the best way to avoid the TCAS “red bars” is to pitch the plane down. While it’s true that in a TCAS RA we are trained to avoid the red sector of the VSI tape and fly to the green, the red sector can be above or below you depending on where the conflict is; further, an RA will be accompanied by a vocal alert telling the pilot what to do. Was this something discussed in the accident report (I haven’t read it)? I’m currently on the Airbus and having flown it off and on since 1995, this is baffling to me; I’ve never seen anyone make this error in the sim (or certainly on the line).

[@Cosmic_Taco]

You just keep pumping out these high quality vids! How do you do it?

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

I’ve done like 150 of these give or take so I’ve learned to optimize.

[@georgepapadopoulos9495]

Those comments led me somehow to the conclusion that people nowadays are deeply corrupted. You may just keep that you deseve to monetize the channel.

[@hayleyxyz]

@@georgepapadopoulos9495 Um what?

[@arvindramesh1830]

@@georgepapadopoulos9495 lol wtf, are you in the right place

[@Mike--Oxmall]

by reading wikipedia

[@erictaylor5462]

Do they expect that the controller is controlling the weather? Weather is the one thing ATC can't control. All they can do is report it. Getting pissed off doesn't help.

[@janstozek4850]

2:05 - In Russian "депутат" stands for Members of Parliament (MoP) - and in the former Soviet Union Russian is used as lingua franca.

[@crashmancer]

Classic former USSR. “Sochi airport, what is the visibility?” “Too dangerous to land here.” “What if we have government officials on board and they really want to land there?” “In that case visibility is 3.6 kilometers. Not great, not terrible.”

[@aveshmahagaokar]

Nice video ! The somatogravic illusion was the basis of introducing the Go Around Soft function in the A320 Neo

[@rherman9085]

Wow, excellent presentation! Yes on the Gulf Air video please. That "Gotta-Get" itis kills everytime. Just getting the gear up probably would have helped immensely.

[@markscarborough7580]

I like how the weather changes based on passenger status

[@davidalexander8649]

Reminds me of a flight I took from Aswan to Abu Simbel. Never been on a flight before or since! No Cabin briefing, safety briefing. AS soon as the doors closed we where rolling! It was like getting on a Bus but more dodgy! I would not do it again!

[@epixbear5594]

hahahah

[@andrews13]

😂😂

[@maverickhistorian6488]

Did trap doors open up under the seats at the runway, and were you instructed by the crew to start running Flintstones style? 😀😀

[@myobboy9973]

I have not flown for 40-years and I never did much instrument training. But I can still hear my instructor from 50-years ago. NEVER NEVER NEVER trust you sense of ballance, trust the AHI and instruments only, you get this one wrong and you die, it is that simple. So, if a low hour 40-year retired (non IFR) former PPL knows all about these inner ear illusions and even had the human body physics explained to him 50-years ago, who still thinks that pilot training today is good enough?

[@Tadesan]

I suspect that students today have trouble following rules. They need an intimate sense of personal control.

[@myobboy9973]

@@Tadesan I think it goes a bit deeper. The most important part of all IFR flight training is overcoming the personal sensations and learning to ignore them. Even in a $10 million so-called "full motion" simulator, there are no personal illusions to overcome. So the student spends far too much time playing daft computer games with no real steady accelerations or long term rotational effects to overcome and ends up bloodly clueless the moment he is scared witless and fears for his life. This is compounded by a say 16,000 hour jet jockey who has spent 15,800 hours letting the autopilot do all the work and probably has less than ten hours experience with flying a real plane by hand with zero outside visual reference.

[@matthanson6438]

I feel like one potential reason the pilot lowered the nose is because of the speed warning. The low speed warning notified the crew that they were approaching a stall. One of the things you learn very early on in your training is that in the event of a stall or approaching a stall you LOWER THE NOSE. This reduces the angle of attack away from the critical angle (stall) and allows speed to build. I wouldn't be surprised if he fell back to that training. If I was unprepared and probably scared like the pilots I could see myself doing the same. But I'm shocked that the pilots even let themselves get into that situation. However I can't claim to know a single thing about flying anything near the size of that aircraft.