The Antichrist and His System | Tribulation Trouble | Calvary of Tampa with Pastor Jesse Martinez

[@arfermo853]

Thankyou for your time

[@Darren-dh1zh]

A total waste of time, no one answered my questions but stand by this pre trib rubbish! Anyone given Grace is unwise to think that's it! That is contempt of God. You must pray and fast! Jesus suffered for our sins but this bunch of heritics believe they will not suffer at all... Just raptured before any trouble! Lol!

[@doreenhelena3714]

Amen this was such an inspirational service. Bless you brother in Christ

[@marshallgiles6255]

I pray that individuals will read the scriptures daily. Do not let anyone deceive you. 2nd Timothy Chp 3. 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 2.

[@lisawilson7332]

Thank you so much for the in-depth study of prophecy! I was raised in the Baptist Church but converted to the Church of Christ in 1993 through my late husband who was also raised in the Baptist church but converted also before me. We were taught there was no rapture of the church? It seemed more like a works based gospel than faith based. I even remember after losing my late husband and 3 years later I was remarrying a widower who was a member of the Baptist Church that I had two elders from my church who wanted to meet with me regarding the upcoming marriage to my husband now. They wanted to show me in scripture that I could remarry but I had to remarry "in Christ" meaning my fiance needed to be converted to the Church of Christ before we were married. They did not consider him a Christian or saved but doomed to hell if he was not converted. Very sad time in my life and I never went back to that church after spending almost 20 years there.

[@mossymaple]

nothing impure.. let no one deceive you with vain an empty words. Hebrews 3. let no one try in any way to EXCUSE ANY SIN AT ALL......1 JOHN 3..... ANYONE WHO CONTINUES TO SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD.....EVER..... AND THEY ARE OF THEIR FATHER THE DEVIL....HEBREWS 10...IF ANYONE CONTINUES TO PRACTICE ANY SIN IMPURITY THEY ARE OF THE DEVIL AND HAVE NEVER KNOWN GOD, AND THEY HAVE ABUSED THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE, AND HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN, AND CHRISTS SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, BUT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGEMENT AND FIRE WRATH...... THEY REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH I SPEAK OF GODS WORD THAT IS LACKING,,, AND GOD SENDS THOSE WHO REFUSE TO OBEY GOD FULL CONTEXTUAL TRUTH IN HIS WORDS, A POWERFUL DILUSUION, TO BELIEVE LIES, AND THAT ALL WHO REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH, WILL BE DAMNED....REPENT... NO ONE CAN EVER BOAST IN THEIR WORKS, BUT YOU CAN BE SURE IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY OUR FAITH, AND BY NOT ABUSING THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE.. MATHEW 25........WITH LOVE FOR THE HEARERS TO STOP REJECTING THE WORDS OF GOD I PROVIDE THAT ARE BEING REJECTED AND REBELLED AGAINST..... FOR REBELLION TO INCLUDE AND HOLD ONTO THE FULL CONTEXT OF GODS WORD IS THE SAME SIN AS DIVINATION/WITCHCRAFT/SORCERY, WARLOCKS/WITCHES...1 SAMUEL 15...... THERE IS ALSO A WAY THAT SEEM RIGHT TO A MAN, BUT IT LEADS TO DEATH.....GOD WILL DEPART FR4OM THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO PRACTICE DELIBERATE SIN OF ANY SIN IMPURITY........YOU HAVE BEEN FOREWARNED.....WITH LOVE , MERCY, MIXED WITH FEAR.....REMEMBERING ALWAYS UNLESS WE REPENT FROM ABSOLUTELY ALL DELIBERATE PRACTICED SIN , WE WILL PERISH....

[@BibleLine]

Thank you for the kind words. Sorry all that happened to you. Many churches confuse the truth of the gospel by adding works to it, but the Bible is very clear that we are saved by faith alone in Christ alone plus nothing else. Works are profitable, but they don’t save us from eternal life. Don’t let a legalist tell you any different. Thank you for sharing with us! Part two is this Sunday! - Trent

[@mossymaple]

@@BibleLine you DISTORTED THE WORD AGAIN???...HERE IS THE TRUTH....YOU FOOLISH PERSON YOU WANT PROOF/EVIDENCE FAITH WITHOUT WORKS/DEEDS IS USELESS/VAIN, DEAD? EVEN DEMONS HAVE FAITH/BELIEVE, AND THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH =, JAMES SAID INSPIRED BY GOD!!!!!!! THAT'S FROM THE HOLY BOOK OF JAMES FROM OUR HOLY BIBLE FROM GOD ALMIGHTY.. THEY DISGUISE THEMSELVES AS ANGELS OF LIGHT..... nothing impure.. let no one deceive you with vain an empty words. Hebrews 3. let no one try in any way to EXCUSE ANY SIN AT ALL......1 JOHN 3..... ANYONE WHO CONTINUES TO SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD.....EVER..... AND THEY ARE OF THEIR FATHER THE DEVIL....HEBREWS 10...IF ANYONE CONTINUES TO PRACTICE ANY SIN IMPURITY THEY ARE OF THE DEVIL AND HAVE NEVER KNOWN GOD, AND THEY HAVE ABUSED THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE, AND HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN, AND CHRISTS SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, BUT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGEMENT AND FIRE WRATH...... THEY REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH I SPEAK OF GODS WORD THAT IS LACKING,,, AND GOD SENDS THOSE WHO REFUSE TO OBEY GOD FULL CONTEXTUAL TRUTH IN HIS WORDS, A POWERFUL DILUSUION, TO BELIEVE LIES, AND THAT ALL WHO REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH, WILL BE DAMNED....REPENT... NO ONE CAN EVER BOAST IN THEIR WORKS, BUT YOU CAN BE SURE IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY OUR FAITH, AND BY NOT ABUSING THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE.. MATHEW 25........WITH LOVE FOR THE HEARERS TO STOP REJECTING THE WORDS OF GOD I PROVIDE THAT ARE BEING REJECTED AND REBELLED AGAINST..... FOR REBELLION TO INCLUDE AND HOLD ONTO THE FULL CONTEXT OF GODS WORD IS THE SAME SIN AS DIVINATION/WITCHCRAFT/SORCERY, WARLOCKS/WITCHES...1 SAMUEL 15...... THERE IS ALSO A WAY THAT SEEM RIGHT TO A MAN, BUT IT LEADS TO DEATH.....GOD WILL DEPART FR4OM THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO PRACTICE DELIBERATE SIN OF ANY SIN IMPURITY........YOU HAVE BEEN FOREWARNED.....WITH LOVE , MERCY, MIXED WITH FEAR.....REMEMBERING ALWAYS UNLESS WE REPENT FROM ABSOLUTELY ALL DELIBERATE PRACTICED SIN , WE WILL PERISH....

[@Brujo2016]

Wow, are we living in the last days?

[@BibleLine]

I’d say so. - Trent

[@Classyconservative1321]

We have been since the day Jesus resurrected

[@RiseUpUNAFRAID4614]

Maybe im weird, but I don't fear death. I just survived, ONLY with the Lord Jesus, 4 tornadoes and a hurricane in the mountains of Western NC 🙏. My home is currently uninhabitable, but I was NOT scared am Im not presently scared. Our Father is so GOOD. Go look at the cross splintered in one of the trees that fell on my property & home. He was there with us, Amen 🙏.

[@billygoat5468]

The GOSPEL is 1ST Corinthians 15:1-4 Believe it and receive it by FAITH TAKING GOD AT HIS Word . Amen JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY AMEN JESUS SAVES NOT RELIGION ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE YOUR SOUL BRO

[@debtyler2814]

Thank you Pastor Jesse. Johnny and Deborah Hickory nc

[@mossymaple]

HE DISTORTED THE WORD....HERE IS THE TRUTH....YOU FOOLISH PERSON YOU WANT PROOF/EVIDENCE FAITH WITHOUT WORKS/DEEDS IS USELESS/VAIN, DEAD? EVEN demons have faith and shutter, FAITH ALONE IF NOT ACCOMPANIED BY GOOD WORKS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH....WE CANNOT BOAST IN OUR WORKS , BUT WE ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE THEM BY OUR FAITH....THATS FROM THE HOLY BOOK OF JAMES FROM OUR HOLY BIBLE FROM GOD ALMIGHTY.. THEY DISGUISE THEMSELVES AS ANGELS OF LIGHT..... nothing impure.. let no one deceive you with vain an empty words. Hebrews 3. let no one try in any way to EXCUSE ANY SIN AT ALL......1 JOHN 3..... ANYONE WHO CONTINUES TO SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD.....EVER..... AND THEY ARE OF THEIR FATHER THE DEVIL....HEBREWS 10...IF ANYONE CONTINUES TO PRACTICE ANY SIN IMPURITY THEY ARE OF THE DEVIL AND HAVE NEVER KNOWN GOD, AND THEY HAVE ABUSED THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE, AND HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN, AND CHRISTS SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, BUT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGEMENT AND FIRE WRATH...... THEY REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH I SPEAK OF GODS WORD THAT IS LACKING,,, AND GOD SENDS THOSE WHO REFUSE TO OBEY GOD FULL CONTEXTUAL TRUTH IN HIS WORDS, A POWERFUL DILUSUION, TO BELIEVE LIES, AND THAT ALL WHO REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH, WILL BE DAMNED....REPENT... NO ONE CAN EVER BOAST IN THEIR WORKS, BUT YOU CAN BE SURE IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY OUR FAITH, AND BY NOT ABUSING THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE.. MATHEW 25........WITH LOVE FOR THE HEARERS TO STOP REJECTING THE WORDS OF GOD I PROVIDE THAT ARE BEING REJECTED AND REBELLED AGAINST..... FOR REBELLION TO INCLUDE AND HOLD ONTO THE FULL CONTEXT OF GODS WORD IS THE SAME SIN AS DIVINATION/WITCHCRAFT/SORCERY, WARLOCKS/WITCHES...1 SAMUEL 15...... THERE IS ALSO A WAY THAT SEEM RIGHT TO A MAN, BUT IT LEADS TO DEATH.....GOD WILL DEPART FR4OM THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO PRACTICE DELIBERATE SIN OF ANY SIN IMPURITY........YOU HAVE BEEN FOREWARNED.....WITH LOVE , MERCY, MIXED WITH FEAR.....REMEMBERING ALWAYS UNLESS WE REPENT FROM ABSOLUTELY ALL DELIBERATE PRACTICED SIN , WE WILL PERISH....

[@mossymaple]

HE DISTORTED THE WORD....HERE IS THE TRUTH....YOU FOOLISH PERSON YOU WANT PROOF/EVIDENCE FAITH WITHOUT WORKS/DEEDS IS USELESS/VAIN, DEAD? THATS FROM THE HOLY BOOK OF JAMES FROM OUR HOLY BIBLE FROM GOD ALMIGHTY.. THEY DISGUISE THEMSELVES AS ANGELS OF LIGHT..... nothing impure.. let no one deceive you with vain an empty words. Hebrews 3. let no one try in any way to EXCUSE ANY SIN AT ALL......1 JOHN 3..... ANYONE WHO CONTINUES TO SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD.....EVER..... AND THEY ARE OF THEIR FATHER THE DEVIL....HEBREWS 10...IF ANYONE CONTINUES TO PRACTICE ANY SIN IMPURITY THEY ARE OF THE DEVIL AND HAVE NEVER KNOWN GOD, AND THEY HAVE ABUSED THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE, AND HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN, AND CHRISTS SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, BUT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGEMENT AND FIRE WRATH...... THEY REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH I SPEAK OF GODS WORD THAT IS LACKING,,, AND GOD SENDS THOSE WHO REFUSE TO OBEY GOD FULL CONTEXTUAL TRUTH IN HIS WORDS, A POWERFUL DILUSUION, TO BELIEVE LIES, AND THAT ALL WHO REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH, WILL BE DAMNED....REPENT... NO ONE CAN EVER BOAST IN THEIR WORKS, BUT YOU CAN BE SURE IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY OUR FAITH, AND BY NOT ABUSING THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE.. MATHEW 25........WITH LOVE FOR THE HEARERS TO STOP REJECTING THE WORDS OF GOD I PROVIDE THAT ARE BEING REJECTED AND REBELLED AGAINST..... FOR REBELLION TO INCLUDE AND HOLD ONTO THE FULL CONTEXT OF GODS WORD IS THE SAME SIN AS DIVINATION/WITCHCRAFT/SORCERY, WARLOCKS/WITCHES...1 SAMUEL 15...... THERE IS ALSO A WAY THAT SEEM RIGHT TO A MAN, BUT IT LEADS TO DEATH.....GOD WILL DEPART FR4OM THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO PRACTICE DELIBERATE SIN OF ANY SIN IMPURITY........YOU HAVE BEEN FOREWARNED.....WITH LOVE , MERCY, MIXED WITH FEAR.....REMEMBERING ALWAYS UNLESS WE REPENT FROM ABSOLUTELY ALL DELIBERATE PRACTICED SIN , WE WILL PERISH....HE DISTORTED THE WORD....HERE IS THE TRUTH....YOU FOOLISH PERSON YOU WANT PROOF/EVIDENCE FAITH WITHOUT WORKS/DEEDS IS USELESS/VAIN, DEAD? THATS FROM THE HOLY BOOK OF JAMES FROM OUR HOLY BIBLE FROM GOD ALMIGHTY.. THEY DISGUISE THEMSELVES AS ANGELS OF LIGHT..... nothing impure.. let no one deceive you with vain an empty words. Hebrews 3. let no one try in any way to EXCUSE ANY SIN AT ALL......1 JOHN 3..... ANYONE WHO CONTINUES TO SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD.....EVER..... AND THEY ARE OF THEIR FATHER THE DEVIL....HEBREWS 10...IF ANYONE CONTINUES TO PRACTICE ANY SIN IMPURITY THEY ARE OF THE DEVIL AND HAVE NEVER KNOWN GOD, AND THEY HAVE ABUSED THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE, AND HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN, AND CHRISTS SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, BUT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGEMENT AND FIRE WRATH...... THEY REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH I SPEAK OF GODS WORD THAT IS LACKING,,, AND GOD SENDS THOSE WHO REFUSE TO OBEY GOD FULL CONTEXTUAL TRUTH IN HIS WORDS, A POWERFUL DILUSUION, TO BELIEVE LIES, AND THAT ALL WHO REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH, WILL BE DAMNED....REPENT... NO ONE CAN EVER BOAST IN THEIR WORKS, BUT YOU CAN BE SURE IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY OUR FAITH, AND BY NOT ABUSING THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE.. MATHEW 25........WITH LOVE FOR THE HEARERS TO STOP REJECTING THE WORDS OF GOD I PROVIDE THAT ARE BEING REJECTED AND REBELLED AGAINST..... FOR REBELLION TO INCLUDE AND HOLD ONTO THE FULL CONTEXT OF GODS WORD IS THE SAME SIN AS DIVINATION/WITCHCRAFT/SORCERY, WARLOCKS/WITCHES...1 SAMUEL 15...... THERE IS ALSO A WAY THAT SEEM RIGHT TO A MAN, BUT IT LEADS TO DEATH.....GOD WILL DEPART FR4OM THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO PRACTICE DELIBERATE SIN OF ANY SIN IMPURITY........YOU HAVE BEEN FOREWARNED.....WITH LOVE , MERCY, MIXED WITH FEAR.....REMEMBERING ALWAYS UNLESS WE REPENT FROM ABSOLUTELY ALL DELIBERATE PRACTICED SIN , WE WILL PERISH....

[@TrueM-qc7kd]

Is this Yankee Arnold's church?

[@BibleLine]

Yankee was the Pastor before Jesse. Yankee mentored Jesse. - Trent

[@TrueM-qc7kd]

@@BibleLine Thank you

[@vinrodney9958]

To really understand Revelation you need to know all the world players and their systems, other cultures beliefs, the natural order of things and cycles there is more remember Hosea 4:6 KJV

[@BibleLine]

Oh surely this study could be exhaustive! We definitely place prophecy and revelation into the category that we don’t argue over too much. Our main purpose is pointing people to Jesus through the study of prophecy! Part 2 to this sermon is this Sunday also. - Trent

[@vinrodney9958]

@@BibleLine you are chasing more people away from Jesus Christ than you are leading to Christ the numbers show it

[@vinrodney9958]

@@BibleLine read Mathew 15:3 Peter 1:8 and read what else is said about tradition

[@vinrodney9958]

@@BibleLine oh I always use KJV of Bible

[@vinrodney9958]

Peter 2:18 KJV tradition

[@pretribtruth]

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. We see a clear reference back to the resurrection. Since the "dead in Christ" rise first there has to be a resurrection of the dead before we are raptured. 1Co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 1Co 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. And again here in 1Co 15 there are very clear references to a resurrection as part of our rapture. 1Th4 tells us the resurrection happens first before we are raptured. So really it is quite simple from that point on. All we have to do is find the resurrection in scripture and see if we can deduce the timing from the resurrection verses. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Here is what is referred to as the "first" resurrection and this group reigns with Christ as priests during the 1,000 year millennium. Since I see people who refused the mark of the beast included in the "first" resurrection I can say the timing has to be at some point after the MOB has started. Unless you can find me another resurrection to look at I have to conclude that the dead in Christ rise after the antichrist has required the mark of the beast. Peace, PTT

[@BibleLine]

Hey there! I love your use of the scripture. This is always good to see. We do believe the rapture comes before the tribulation/mark of the beast and anything to do with the 7 year prophecy of Daniel. Some of our reasons are Daniel 9:24-27. This seems to indicate the church is not involved (Jew plus Gentile in the Body). 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 - the separation between the rapture and second coming (of power) seem pretty distinct. And the idea of the rapture being spoken of as a mystery in 1 Cor. 15. There are some other reasons, but we desire to reach souls more than debating over prophecy. Do you agree that the scripture is clear about salvation? Faith alone in Christ alone plus nothing = saved. - Trent

[@pretribtruth]

@@BibleLine "Some of our reasons are Daniel 9:24-27. This seems to indicate the church is not involved (Jew plus Gentile in the Body)." Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. Neither Gentile or Jew would know God at this point in time here so who is Daniel referencing here? Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. The Jews don't know Jesus at this point in time so they can't be the saints here. Can't be Gentiles either or they would be called Gentiles. So who are the saints here? "2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 - the separation between the rapture and second coming (of power) seem pretty distinct." 2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; This one totally demolishes pre-trib. You can't get any clearer ... by the coming of our Lord Jesus and our gathering to Him. When are we gathered to Him...at the rapture of coarse. Don't let any man deceive you by any means our gathering to Jesus will not come until there is a falling away and the man of sin is revealed. "And the idea of the rapture being spoken of as a mystery in 1 Cor. 15" 1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. This gets us back to my original post. The dead will be raised incorruptible which requires a resurrection prior to our rapture. Where is this resurrection shown in scripture? Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. This is the "first" resurrection and includes those who rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years. If this is not where the dead are raised in 1Co 15:52 where is the resurrection you speak of? "There are some other reasons, but we desire to reach souls more than debating over prophecy." What if your pre-trib doctrine is incorrect and someone thinks that it is impossible for them to take the MOB because they will not be here. You could very well be losing souls with incorrect pre-trib doctrine. Plus there are not any scriptures that support pre-trib so you are teaching them incorrect doctrine. Do you worry about teaching a provable false doctrine? Peace, PTT

[@Darren-dh1zh]

If the tribulation is pre or mid then Jesus will have to come back a third time! We will meet the Lord in the air at the final Trump, which means we will go through at least 6years of trib! Also if it's Just Grace through faith why does Jesus say faith without works is dead so we need to at least observe the commandments including Sabbath (Saturday!)... If you love me keep my commandments!.... and if you break one you break all! KJV is the best English interpretation of the truth as it doesn't let you carve wooden and stone idols in the commandments! Don't be decieved if you're true believers. God bless through Jesus Christ!

[@mossymaple]

LOVING GOD IS NOT OLD MOSAIC LAWS, BUT INDEED MORAL LAWS OF GOD WRITTEN ON OUR HEARTS. HONORING THE SABBATH BASED ON OLD LAW IS DEAD.... ROMANS 14.... DONT FORSAKE GATHERING,, BUT NOT MAKING IT A LAW TO GATHER AT 9 AM SERVICE OR YOUVE MADE IT A LAW AGAIN.... UNLESS WE DO THIS BASED ON OUR HEARTS INTENT TO SET APART GOD AS ONE PERSON SEE FIT, THEN ITS NOT A LAW,, AND TO ANOTHER PERSON WHO MAY ESTEEM MULTIPLE DAYS TO SET APART GOD TO REST IN CHRIST... BOTH PEOPLE WILL BE JUSTIFED FOR THEIR HEARTS INTENT.. BUT THERE IS NO SABBATH AS IN THE OLD LAW ANYMORE IT MUST ONLT BE IN OUR HEARTS INTENT TO CELEBRATE CHRIST BY RESTING IN HIM AND HIS WORD BY DEDICATING TIME FOR GOD,....BUT NOT MAKING IT A SABBATH DAY OLD COVENANT LAW, OR WE WILL BE JUDGED FOR KEEPING ALL OF THE LAW.. GALATIANS 3 ANS 4 ,, YE FOOLISH GALATIANS , WHO BEWITCHED YOU, THAT YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE OLD LAW AND CELEBRATE SEASONS , DAYS, AND YEARS( WHI9CH INCLUDES THE OLD WAY OF OF OBEYING THE SABBATH DAY AS A LAW... THAT IS WRONG... MOST EVERYONE ON EARTH IS IN ERROR ON THE NEW SABBATH, WHICH IS NOT AN ORDINANCE OR OLD LAW, BUT CHRIST IS THE SABBATH....AND IF WE HONOR CHRIST , IT IS IN OUR HEART THAT WE ABSOLUTELY MUST HONOR GOD , OR SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH OUR HEART,, BUT WHEN WE DO HONOR THE NEW SABBATH , WHICH IS CHRIST, IT IS NOT AN OLD COVENANT OBLIGATION LAW, BUT OUR HEARTS INTENT FOR EACH PERSON TO DO IT HOW THEY DEEM RIGHTEOUS TO GOD ...AND IT WILL BE DIFFERENT FOR EACH PERSON, ROMANS 14 MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR HOW GOD WILL JUSTIFY EACH PERSONS INTENT , UNIQUELY...

[@Darren-dh1zh]

@@mossymaple I don't observe anything at 9am at anytime. I just don't work and do as little as possible on Saturday. (If you love me you will keep my commandments)! So by YOUR logic it's ok to kill, steal, and forego all of God's Law? Shouting out your txt does not validate your theory! Why did Jesus say ... I say that if you look at a woman a certain way you have already committed adultery in your heart? You are not of the spirit!!

[@BibleLine]

I'll comment toward the "true believers" part, and I'll leave the rest on the table for now. You can find our position on the pre trib rapture in multiple videos. Regarding days and years; that is not even worth arguing, seeing though the scripture is clear on the matter. We also agree that the KJV is the best translation. I am curious what you mean by "true believer." If you mean a person who has put their faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior, then we agree. If you mean a true believer is one who WILL persevere/do/work/endure, then we have a problem. The scripture is clear that those who believe have both the sinful flesh (1st birth) and the Holy Spirit (2nd Birth). The flesh always sins, and the Spirit cannot ever sin. Therefore the believer battles daily between which "master" to serve. Therefore my salvation standing is not based upon my doings, but it is solely based upon what Christ has done on the cross for me. I believed, therefore I received. I was saved, am saved, and will always be saved since I believed. Idk if you intended anything deeper that the agreeing statement above, but we have a lot of traffic from supporters of Washer and Macarthur. Thanks and God Bless, - Trent

[@Darren-dh1zh]

@@BibleLine so you have a problem with a true believer t hat thinks that the commandments are better off observed that means that you don't have to observe the others! Is this correct? I think a true believer is both of your statements but you must not suggest who I follow as a preacher as McArthur is one of the worst! I have been brought up on Derek Prince, Chuck Misler and Carter Conlan. I don't celebrate Christmas or Easter as these are pagan holidays! Yes it's all about Christ on the Cross and the shedding of his precious blood which is why I don't work Saturday and don't kill, steal and the like! So your stating that you can do what you like and repent! And I have a problem with your attitude towards believers who suffer! Because. The few I Know have constantly struggled, me included. They're called demonic attacks in a spiritual war! You still haven't cleared up my comment! Jesus is Lord!!!

[@Darren-dh1zh]

@@BibleLine also if you truly would like to go deep and spiritual we can always discuss the shape of the Earth!

[@mossymaple]

nothing impure.. let no one deceive you with vain an empty words. Hebrews 3. let no one try in any way to EXCUSE ANY SIN AT ALL......1 JOHN 3..... ANYONE WHO CONTINUES TO SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD.....EVER..... AND THEY ARE OF THEIR FATHER THE DEVIL....HEBREWS 10...IF ANYONE CONTINUES TO PRACTICE ANY SIN IMPURITY THEY ARE OF THE DEVIL AND HAVE NEVER KNOWN GOD, AND THEY HAVE ABUSED THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE, AND HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN, AND CHRISTS SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, BUT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGEMENT AND FIRE WRATH...... THEY REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH I SPEAK OF GODS WORD THAT IS LACKING,,, AND GOD SENDS THOSE WHO REFUSE TO OBEY GOD FULL CONTEXTUAL TRUTH IN HIS WORDS, A POWERFUL DILUSUION, TO BELIEVE LIES, AND THAT ALL WHO REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH, WILL BE DAMNED....REPENT... NO ONE CAN EVER BOAST IN THEIR WORKS, BUT YOU CAN BE SURE IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY OUR FAITH, AND BY NOT ABUSING THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE.. MATHEW 25........WITH LOVE FOR THE HEARERS TO STOP REJECTING THE WORDS OF GOD I PROVIDE THAT ARE BEING REJECTED AND REBELLED AGAINST..... FOR REBELLION TO INCLUDE AND HOLD ONTO THE FULL CONTEXT OF GODS WORD IS THE SAME SIN AS DIVINATION/WITCHCRAFT/SORCERY, WARLOCKS/WITCHES...1 SAMUEL 15...... THERE IS ALSO A WAY THAT SEEM RIGHT TO A MAN, BUT IT LEADS TO DEATH.....GOD WILL DEPART FR4OM THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO PRACTICE DELIBERATE SIN OF ANY SIN IMPURITY........YOU HAVE BEEN FOREWARNED.....WITH LOVE , MERCY, MIXED WITH FEAR.....REMEMBERING ALWAYS UNLESS WE REPENT FROM ABSOLUTELY ALL DELIBERATE PRACTICED SIN , WE WILL PERISH....

[@alexgarmin8457]

You are reading Tribulation passages and trying to apply them to the Body of Christ.... Learn to Rightly Divide the Word of Truth... Christ took all our sins... all of them including the sins of the whole world upon himself on that Cross and paid for them all by shedding every drop of His sinless blood. So to say that if we sin after we are saved we will go to hell Totally contradicts what salvation is... Salvation is Jesus Christ... What He did in our place as the substitutionary lamb that went to the slaughter for our sins on our behalf... He paid for our sins with His blood was buried and rose again the 3rd day.. His resurrection is proof that Father God accepted the payment and Now imputes to anyone Christ Righteousness simply by our faith in Christ.... After the Rapture happens sure people will Go back into Faith + Works under OT Covenants which they will have to endure till the end to be saved... With faith in God + their own righteousness.... But not now............. That is not the Gospel for today... and if you do not know this you are not saved and you are trusting in your own righteousness to get to heaven and not what Jesus Christ did on your behalf. You will hear depart from me ye who work iniquity... Because that is what you are bringing to God as payment for sin... Your imperfect self sacrifice which God already concluded to be dead works.... The only reason why works will be alloyed in the tribulation is to separate the wheat from the Goats... People will Have the Knowledge of Gods Law in their Hearts which will make it easier than your conscience to know good from wrong... They will have no excuse... Today we are simply saved by Gods Grace through faith in the only begotten son of God, Jesus Christ death for our sins , burial, resurrection on the 3rd day If you accepted the free gift that Jesus Christ paid for your sin debt in full with His blood and righteousness you are saved and if not you are hell bound it is really that simple. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:20-28

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A way that seems right to man. Indeed. And what does every man made religion demand? A turning away from the things the deity of that religion hates and to do the good deeds the deity of that religion demands. If you do these things then every man made religion promises you may enter whatever paradise that religion promises. Only God promises forgiveness and eternal life in return for simple belief. God also promises rewards for faithful living, for turning away from sin and living a godly life. But God justifies all who believe. The Bible states this simple truth over and over again, only the most spiritually blind would ignore it in favor of promoting their own righteousness. Just as every hebrew who looked up at the bronze serpent was healed, so must we look up at Christ and what he did for us, believe in that, and we will receive forgiveness of our sins. This anger you feel is nothing but the spirit of Cain. Cain brought the fruits of his labors before God and God turned away from him, for Abel knew that only blood could pay for sin. That was why God favored Abel and not Cain. If you have somehow managed to attain perfect sinlessness then I don't believe you, but if somehow you have, congratulations. However, you sound very much like the pharisee, thanking God that he was not like other men, while the humble publican, the sinner, went before God begging for mercy. Which one went away justified? Answer these questions. What constitutes a practice of sin? How do you explain that the original Greek writings use a singular word for 'commit' (as in, 'Any born of God do not COMMIT (singular) sin') in those verses but almost every modern translation changes it to a 'practice' of sins? Seems more like we're being taught about our born again spirit which cannot sin against God even while our flesh still does (which is also taught multiple times). How many sins must one commit to lose salvation or prove one was never saved? How many sins must one turn away from in order to receive salvation? How many good deeds must one perform to attain salvation? Why are you so angry? If we are merely deceived, shouldn't you be correcting us in love and gentleness? To refuse to do that, which you are, is a sin. How many angry comments like this do you make? Is it enough to lose your salvation or prove you were never saved? I hope not, I hope very much that you are saved and that I can dwell in heaven forever, serving and worshipping God beside you. Every sin is deliberate, a lack of self control or ignorance is no excuse. So how many times a day do you deliberately sin? Be honest. Why do you want to take away the joy and hope of salvation from believers? Those being saved in the NT usually react with joy, but with your beliefs there is no certainty, there can be no certainty. You can't ever know if you're saved, if you did good enough, until you end and go to heaven or hell. If you are certain you've done well enough by these standards you've laid out then I'd say you're treading on very dangerous grounds, that being pride. God resists the proud, why would he make an exception for you? Finally, how do you explain Jonah 3:10? "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not." God regards the turning away from evil ways as works, and if repentance has anything to do with sin then...are you calling God a sinner? That's kind of blasphemous... Of course, if you know what it actually means in the Bible, a change of mind, then it makes perfect sense. God changes his mind here when the people of Ninevah turned from their evil ways, and Jesus urged the stubborn people of Israel to change their mind about trusting their own righteousness and their relation to Abraham and instead trust in him for their salvation. Please address these questions. Or, better yet, examine yourself and see if you really do believe that Jesus has paid the price for your sins and rose again for your justification. If you believe your salvation is even 1% your work...that's a dangerous place to be. Please find it in your heart to believe in Jesus and trust in him and his finished work on the cross alone for your salvation and find it in your heart to love your fellow believers. May God bless you and keep you.