The AOE4 Pro Scout Meta is Here!

[@sofianeelariak960]

very interesting ! thank you Beasty for you point of view about pro scout!

[@plightn]

I thought this was coming! The only limitation I saw was that it was 275g which slows age up. I am glad it's not just all about aging up fastest.

[@8plyz]

Drongo's reaction to Beasty going pro scouts 😂

[@NingJing]

to nerf it by not too much, they could simply put more deers but with lower food per deer, this way they can adjust however desired

[@CarKiller92]

Maybe a change that would affect not only pro-scouts but other greed plays like naked FC or 2TC is to just make feudal units a bit stronger or defenses a bit weaker so pushing is possible. I'd go with making units stronger so if the opponent makes units too, they can defend easily but the issue with 2tc is that there is so much arrow fire that unless you make like 3-4 rams, you're not gonna do anything - which takes a while on a 1tc eco. This would also discourage pro scouts as all kinds of units would kill them faster while also making the amount of resources invested into the tech more valuable as units.

[@jeffreylyons1531]

I like this a lot. It’s a no loss solution.

[@benni2862]

The Issue is that 2tc is too weak not too strong lol if anything right now you need to buff 2tc/fc or neef pro scouts

[@CarKiller92]

@@benni2862 Beasty literally said that if they just nerf PS, 2tc will be back. And it makes sense since that was the meta before. So I have no idea where you get that 2tc is weak.

[@benni2862]

@CarKiller92 the Video is literally about evrypne going pro scouts and noone being able to go 2tc because they just die. Where do you get from that 2tc is strong and needs to be nerfed?

[@CarKiller92]

@@benni2862 you are dented dude, I'm literally explaining that if they nerf pro scouts what will happen. Done talking to a retard who can't read

[@WorriedCoward]

3:43 who is gigiling

[@65kid54]

Scared the hell out of me

[@Lickies-6]

the one and only, aussiedrongo!

[@charlema9ne]

that gives me chills 😂

[@datman6266]

That was weird..

[@Snaphelio]

I got tired of everyone doing FC or DoubleTC, it need more Feudal action and this is okay so far. (it will get tiresome after some time, need a delicated balance between all these strategy)

[@moresah]

I would like a small nerf for all civs and a larger nerf for Delhi.

[@josephogunyemi7171]

@@moresahI’m new to the game and these dehli civs scare the life out of me, 😂 I’ve only just learnt how to counter the French killing me in feudal age with knights

[@deivytrajan]

FC or doube TC is good. Yoy have skill issue if you complain

[@Adribird]

​@@deivytrajanI believe it takes more skill to execute a good Feudal aggression than a FC. That almost nothing happens in a game for 7-8 minutes is not positive either.

[@Snaphelio]

@@deivytrajan you are forgeting that in the past there was more than the usual strategy remember when you had to stop Mongol trade, stop Fast Imperial HRE, stop the English Turtle to Imperial just to stomp you with infinite food and gold, fight for Sacred sites in 5 mins in the game because Delhi was already with 3 prelates capturing and having huge gold boost. nothing against the normal strategy, but why decrease possible strategies

[@Bonserak23]

if you get all the deer its 9,00 food and it gathers quick so you can mass units fast.

[@fakesweden5607]

When i play zhu yi legacy, I've noticed that the scouts tried to drop off the deer under the tc. Ofc i don't want that, i wqnt it under the mill fpr the imperial officer bonus. It only takes an extra click, but it is something people need to be aware of.

[@ilgiallo0]

I was lost with the game sales in this period , i finished metro and i'm 40 h in kindoms come . So thanks I will need these video

[@Ruony24]

The other day i was dreaming of a huge melee of pro scouts just picking dears and running off.

[@TheOverexaminedLife]

I dont mind this meta, at least its less passive than 2 tc and fc. Slightly more action

[@deivytrajan]

We need faster games like in aoe3. Rushes and defending them is fun

[@AlwaysCool69]

Maybe increase the cost of upgrade? Should be like extra 60 stone so that it slows down every civ by atleast 30sec + additionally scout movement speed with deer should be -50% (i think it's -35% currently)

[@deivytrajan]

Why nerf cool things?

[@MatthewDoughten]

Easy way to combat the pro scout is killing the deer packs like old Rus micro game. It makes it a lot harder to shift click bc you need line of sight on the ded deer

[@deivytrajan]

Noon strat

[@bonkers7888]

I think decreasing the amount of food per deer when using pro scouts. So going out on the map is actually worth it

[@cyrano-5539]

is that would be a good idea to choose between survival technics and pro scout ? like you can't had them both

[@royzeilstra8809]

Do you click deer one by one or how does it work?

[@spyemanciator7148]

Pro scouts are nice I almost never use them for multiplayer, mostly our of lazyness. I found it interesting how few words were spoken about the urgency of attempting to take opponents patches vs focusing on your close in deer first, but I guess its mostly self-explanatory, whatever works...

[@emissarygw2264]

"amateur scouts" lmao. I like that, if you research it then it allows you to use 2 villagers to slowly drag a deer home by its back legs. Goes faster if you have a wheelbarrow.

[@youennbogaer334]

3:45 fucking jumpscare

[@mint_fresch4329]

increase the research time by like 15 sec to nerv every civ (except china) and increase cost by like 50 gold to nerv every civ (except like french and delih) with this u nerv every ones u just need to get the right numbers to keep everything in balance, a good day i wish and now i wanting to watch the new pro scout fight in high level xD (please comment memes about the dear if u know some :) )

[@NoMereRanger73]

Inb4 Eagle Scout Meta

[@Inedible-nk6jy]

Eagle scouts carrying deer would be hilarious ngl

[@madmat114]

What about low level tower get your scouts in the tower then when they build a ram just use the scouts for deer in pro scouts

[@masononthedailymason3001]

I have a great idea; nerf huntable gathering rate OR just remove or lessen the amount of deer on some/certain maps, that way Beastys 25/25/25/25% of the strats used could actually be coming into play here!

[@masononthedailymason3001]

Say idk the map pool too well but on one map or whatever "we'll there's only 2 deer packs on this map and a lot of wood so maybe pro scouts is bad and I should go fast farms here, or if there's water so that fishing is more viable!"

[@Bonserak23]

the last few days almost every time I've gone 2 tc I lose lol I will be fighting off like 20 units 8 minutes in. I play the Abba and Aluuid but I think I will go scouts anyway just so I can zerg the zerg.

[@MrAtaguas]

Pro scouts as a strat isn't bad since it adds dimension to the game and opens up room for more diverse builds (and more exciting for ppl that hate camping). But to me it is no different than the multi TC meta or the cheap farm meta or anything that is done by every civ. It makes the game boring because all civs start to feel like the same. Pro scouts - fast castle - mass knight/MAA all in. I think they should remove pro scouts all together and add more deer in the pack or give each deer more food. This will reward ppl going for deer so they won't ignore the deer now but it will still require skill to go on hunt since you have to risk your vils and actively fight for your food.

[@ibrahimraysidrr4609]

If you drop a mill to a deer pack pro scout can't steal it maybe, so mill works as hunting cabin

[@HandicappedMind]

Its simple... if You dont pro.. you loose all your deer... minus the map or 2 that your deer spawn really close to your tc

[@Yourmomma568]

Too often they punish success. Nerfing is pointless. Players will always figure put clever counters. Nerfing just removes possibilities rather than balancing the game. If anything, they just need to promote counters. Techs could give bigger bonuses, meaning fast castle is a bigger advantage over numbers. Vills could be faster to produce, giving two tc an economic advantage. Trade buffs, etc. make the other stuff stronger, not everything that's good, worse. Especially for new players l, when you pearn an opening, and get good at it, having it nerfed sucks.

[@Pigeon075]

What about moving pro scouts to TC?

[@DaLoler1]

Why not just make scouts take bonus damage when carrying deer.

[@sheyl5203]

they already are slowed while carrying them, so much so they get killed by any unit

[@moresah]

Doesn't make sense. Maybe they should be even slower, why should they take more dmg? It would be a stupid mechanic. Better solution would be to increase cost of the upgrade.

[@charlema9ne]

but you still need to protect the scouts. and it requires investment.

[@jantzenwodehouse5293]

​@@moresahthat's a massive buff to civs with free upgrades though.. Reduce the amount of food per deer imo. That way if you go into farms or another food source the difference between the amount of food you get between either strategy isn't as detrimental to your long term economy

[@moresah]

@@jantzenwodehouse5293 Only Delhi has free upgrades, right? Simply increaseing research time will balance it.

[@beheerowner]

What if pro scouts is moved to caslte age?

[@macbobXD]

nah there has to be added another mechanic something of equal value that makes the players interact

[@emmanuelsampaio4687]

There needs more feudal action, not less. People fighting for the hunts is a good thing.

[@CarKiller92]

I think that would make it useless cause if you go FC and the other is making units, you can't go out to grab deer and you also need a lot of gold to do upgrades that makes FC worth the effort so investing 300g into PS is not nice. Also kinda guarantees that the opponent will eat at least one of their deer while you also kinda need to go out for deer unless you want to risk eating all the sheep and getting stuck in your base without food.

[@DeJake]

"Pro scout meta was used by very few civs, like Malians" 0:20 1111 Malians weren't even released during the first pro scout meta you fish

[@jepasdenom7643]

Hes not talking about first pro scout meta you gold 🥱

[@BeastyqtSC2]

The first pro scout meta was shortly after Malians & Ottomans released you dent, not the first pro scout clicked 1 day into the game release.

[@TOBINLAI-zq5hk]

Pro scouts just kinda seems like it should be removed entirely.

[@ogmatticus]

Kinda agree…if something broke the game take it away…OR make it 400 gold instead of 250?

[@jantzenwodehouse5293]

​@@ogmatticusnah because free upgrades exist in the game so it's a massive buff to free research. Just make the deer worth less food.

[@NhNeoN88]

I'll come back to the game when this pro scout meta is over. Got bored fighting over deer already.

[@shoe7525]

Worst meta since... I don't even know

[@emissarygw2264]

Idk I want to try and learn it

[@joshperez7731]

Dumb take, did you forget siege meta??

[@DeJake]

Since the last Pro Scout meta? Which sure wasn't when Malians was released like Beasty claims

[@jepasdenom7643]

Its not relevant for your level

[@jantzenwodehouse5293]

​@@DeJakebro the first pro scout meta was right after they released. He isn't talking about the very first pro scout ever made. he's talking about when it was an actual meta

[@Groovy1222]

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