The Archaeology Iceberg Explained

[@phexchen]

My favorite archaeological factoid is the story of Ea Nasir. He was basically a babylonian con artist who sold shitty copper. We only know about him because - for some reason - he kept all the complaints people send him via stone tablets

[@laescalera747]

he probably found it funny!

[@thecrtf4953]

@@laescalera747 I love the idea he's so smug and proud of his con work they were like trophies to him

[@ericcloud1023]

Lmao, oh now I'm off to dive into another rabbit hole. Thank you for the tidbit stranger

[@kiwibird__]

There is a subreddit dedicated to memes about him r/ReallyShittyCopper

[@tacokoneko]

i havent read them but what if the copper was actually good and the complaints were from bronze age karens and his collection was the equivalent of youtubers making hate comment compilations today

[@GustavoSor3y]

as a historian, one of the hardest things to cope in my profession was "so much has been lost". When I truly grasped how much was lost or just destroyed by the time I got depressed for a full week, 3 years later I still get depressed if I think too much about it

[@theswagman1263]

I just try to feel grateful we have anything at all, our understanding of history is far better than it was a couple centuries ago at least. still very depressing tho yea

[@Tetragonoloba]

True dat. The worst part about the loss to me is that a lot of it was destroyed on purpose. It makes me cringe so hard anytime I hear about artifacts, art, books, etc getting intentionally destroyed by some bitchy enemy or invading force.

[@NightTimeDay]

@@Tetragonoloba destruction is a human artifact, in a sense

[@LadyViscera]

It gets even worse when you consider all of prehistory and how little is actually represented by the fossil record

[@Jotari]

Really makes one wonder how future historians and archeologists will view out era. We've now given a recording device to almost every single human on the planet. Either future historians will either be completed inundated with info about the modern era, so much so that sifting through the bias would be a herculean task, or they'll have only vague summaries because digital recording isn't nearly as reliable as it seems.

[@Fort976]

Believing that Troy was real when nobody else did, seeing it as his life's mission, defying all odds to actually find it, only to single-handedly destroy it, ironically sounds like a Greek tragedy.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

Well it's definitely ironic and it could definitely be seen as tragic in a way similar to a Greek tragedy, but I don't think it's both of those things at once. Rather it's fittingly like a Greek tragedy, I'd say.

[@m1000-n8w]

@@MidlifeCrisisJoe Just be quiet

[@charlie_conn235]

@@MidlifeCrisisJoe wow that’s a lot of words to say nothing

[@SkreltNL]

history is written

[@DaniilHomyak]

Definitely catching strong Herostratus vibes here 🤔

[@DeltaAsherHill]

Thanks for adding jazz instead of eerie music that usually get used for no reason.

[@IisLasagna]

"Ya like jazz~?"

[@maddsthegamer]

@@IisLasagnaoh god

[@dukromeo]

thanks for this comment. ☝

[@Suspressable]

@@IisLasagna🐝

[@filipmilosevic4000]

​@@Suspressable 🐝

[@legosaurg7979]

I like how Schliemann has his own layer, like none of the other topics want to be associated with him in any way.

[@coryman125]

He was originally in a different layer, but he got confused about where he was and the dynamite damaged too much of it, so he ended up there instead ;)

[@Gildedmuse]

@@coryman125 that iceberg use to be at least 150 meters larger before Schliemann decided to look for the lost continent of Atlantis.

[@skinnylinguinejeremy9028]

@@Gildedmuse This is the best joke I've come across in years. Thank you.

[@cheerstoall3492]

Surprisingly many people may not know but the Schliemann layer also exists as the tenth layer of hell. Because when he was sent there he accidentally used too much dynamite and ended making his own level where he now stays forever.

[@favoritemustard3542]

...it's due to the _Schliemalaise_ associated with the man's killegacy...

[@edisonlima4647]

Some of those reminded me of Agatha Christie saying that royal artifacts are nice and all, but that the best archaeological findings are ordinary items from ordinary people, because they tell you how life at the time ACTUALLY was without the pomp and protocol, and you always ends up finding that, for the common folk, the day to day aspects of life are very often quite relatable.

[@redeye4516]

Reminds me of that one Bronze Age tablet of a guy complaining about the shitty ingots he was sold.

[@adonaiyah2196]

Exactly

[@fernandacappucci8412]

My favorite example of this is how much people from medieval eras actually mocked nobility and priests en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabliau while we're depicting everyone from those times as prude, ultra religious doormat peasants, they were making scatological jokes

[@seaweedwithrice]

@@redeye4516 that sounds interesting lmao, where did you heard/know of it? i would love to know more

[@sendmorerum8241]

@@seaweedwithrice It's the story of Ea Nasir. A comment lower mentions he was basically a Babylonian con artist who sold shitty copper. We only know about him because - for some reason - he kept all the complaints people send him via clay tablets. Can be found on Wikipedia.

[@BPBegha]

I like how you can clearly hear Trey holding his laughter when he read the "as per my previous tablet" piece. I love reading stuff like that, reminds us that even in ancient times people were still just regular people with regular issues.

[@Scrufflord]

my sesame is dying

[@kaliyuga1476]

Timestalp

[@Bloodray19]

THE SESAME WILL DIE!!!! Life as we know it will end forever

[@alexjames7144]

@random boy How dare you

[@justalostlocal]

@@Scrufflord Don't I didn't tell you MY SESAME IS DYING. THEY WILL DIE.

[@5tinygrapes]

I recently took a class on Ancient Egyptian art and I knew that a lot of stuff would be lost, but what surprised me is how many new discoveries are still being found. Watching an archeologist tear up because she might have found evidence of Cleopatra's tomb made it hard for me to be too cynical about what hasn't survived, because there's still so much that did

[@TomMorrison-cc6xw]

Yup. Still finding plenty of stuff under the shifting sands. I think that's how they'll uncover a "Rosetta Stone" for Minion Lineal A -- there's lots of Cretan wall painting in Egypt's delta palaces, so at some point there'll be a document in both hieroglyphics (which we can read) AND Lineal A.

[@notwhite6743]

I love how hilarious the “As per my previous tablet” entry is. You can just tell how mad the guy writing was. “The sesame is visibly dying” is fucking hilarious

[@amazingdollart4676]

Just like emails, people really never change

[@thereseclaire9806]

HAHAHA I knooow I thought it be so formal before but we still the same. I find this funny as it is very relatable😂

[@smileyface81mc77]

Same, man. I can practically hear his voice. “The sesame is *visibly* dying, bro! I didn’t get any water!”

[@steveanton763]

There is an ancient Sumerian receipt said to be one of the oldest written things we have. It's a letter and receipt accusing the copper merchant of selling him an inferior product. People have always tried to get one over on each other.

[@roryfriththetraveller4982]

i love how people have always been the same, and especially petty 🤣

[@warriorboltz8817]

I think it’s weirdly wholesome to know that ancient people acted just like modern humans today. From cavemen making prehistoric animations to entertain themselves to people drawing dicks on things, placing (name) was here everywhere and the medieval boy doodling on his homework and drawing sketches of himself being scolded by his teacher. It’s super neat

[@lopiklop]

Exactly. Time really is just a number. 10 years when you're 10 years old feels like a lifetime, that because it literally is in this relative analogy. 10 years after you're 20 feels like nothing. Just because it seems like forever ago doesn't mean it really was.

[@XYKelseyyy]

Your moms neat

[@markotunjic5384]

Biggest mistake most people do is to think everyone born before them is worse in every regard. Just think about "inventing fire". If you somehow made all humans to forget all non primal skills how long would it take for fire to start again?

[@DolphinSneeze69]

@@markotunjic5384 i like to think about that alot i feel like for a long time we would witness fire as an extreme monster or demon due to fires caused naturally by lightning but the first guy who figures out how to make it and control it would be the coolest kid on the block for sure

[@monseurwanksalotte3477]

remember the wall writings that were basicly proto forum-posting? History's a damn loop innit

[@mamaharumi]

It's always bothered me how people think ancient humans were "primitive" and lacked intelligence. They were just as capable, no matter the time period. As one example - just take a look at the Mayan's zeolite water filtration and reservoir system in Tikal. It is impressive even by modern standards.

[@milkjug4237]

I feel this comes in some part because "they believed in weird myths!" but the thing is, if you're born in a time before widespread communication or scientific method, literally what could you believe in? Imagine trying to learn the world without Google, you wouldn't know jack. People don't think that much about history, but it's a genuine wonder we've been able to progress this far and get so connected.

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

It's not that they lack intelligence, it's that they have less information available to them. How does someone figure out how to lift like 10 ton slabs of rock and place it on top of stonehenge? I can't figure it out, and if you gave me 100 years I'd still never figure it out. I couldn't even make it on my own if you told me exactly how. The only reason why people don't have the same problem accepting marvels of engineering invented over a 100 years ago, like the light bulb or telephone, is because it was recent enough that we have very detailed historical records on how it was done.

[@riteshyeddu]

@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 true

[@maxxor-overworldhero6730]

Similar to the walking Moai, the Welsh found clever ways to transport and construct Stonehenge. And I mention that because when the Romans came through and found Stonehenge, they asked the locals what advanced civilization had come there before and built it. And of course they didn't believe the locals saying that they put the stones up.

[@andysawyer647]

@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 they were moving obsidian slabs over distances 71,000 years ago.

[@bendkok]

I have a story that is similar to the Caligula coffee table one. In the 90s/00s there was an effort by the Ibsen Museum in Oslo to recreate the last apartment that Henrik Ibsen lived in, and turn it into a museum. Most of the items there had been sold or given away, so a lot of effort was put into returning them. One thing in particular they struggled with was finding his bathtub. Eventually it was found on a random farm, where it was used as a water trough for the cows.

[@apostolispouliakis7401]

Fun fact in some areas here in Greece there were "domesticated" non-venomous snakes in houses as pest control before the import of cats from Egypt

[@cdogthehedgehog6923]

Sources? Not because I don't believe you, but because I want to see the hilarious art that is sure to ensue lmao

[@johanps4893]

And I thought my Chihuahua was badass

[@gabrieldelatortilla1]

@@johanps4893 He is, Johan. He is.

[@Lenlon703]

lets bring back non-venomous or mildly venomous snakes (native ofc lets not mess the ecosystem even more) as pest control I knew my idea from years ago wasn't stupid

[@lawrencescales9864]

There weren’t any cats in Greece? Huh

[@freeTeu]

Mesoamerican gigachad: -invents the wheel -only uses it in children's toys -refuses to elaborate

[@sambradley9091]

@@doctorwhoknows6348 dude wdym it was outside contact that killed them cause contact era europeans were walking plagues

[@brq267]

@@doctorwhoknows6348 -Trades sweet potatoes with Polynesians

[@jacobrhome180]

@@sendmorerum8241 no one asked

[@tskmaster3837]

The part about no suitable Beasts of Burden to pull them is possible but then why no wheelbarrows or carts?

[@RocketSlacker]

@@tskmaster3837 If I recall correctly, Tenochtitlan at least had a shit ton of waterways, so you could just move around stuff in canoes! So at least the Aztecs had that covered! Someone will likely correct me if I'm wrong though, since this is just from what I remember in history class.

[@xaviervasquez4657]

I work as a carpenter and I always write “xavier was here” somewhere where it can’t be seen when we’re framing I hope someone discovers them in 500 years

[@zenushi9ray866]

i doubt that humanity would last that long

[@ozymandias3456]

In a few hundred years there’s going to be an obscure “Xavier Mystery” of the same persons signing being in many places. This comment is probably going to be traced a few years after the mystery becomes somewhat popular. Good job, you just fueled future peoples fascination

[@-FutureTaken-]

@@ozymandias3456 he better sell them in other countries to really _sell_ the mystery

[@Xanderboof]

@@zenushi9ray866 oh it will, the question is how civilized will we be haha

[@-FutureTaken-]

@Kosh giup its the same as signing your work, get over it

[@notearth783]

the way pseudo archologists are like 'ancient civilisations were more advanced than you think!!' and then the civilisations build anything impressive and theyre like 'omggg it was alienssss'

[@bryanbee1604]

Naw more like if the inventor they found wasn’t white… it was Alienss ! 🤣

[@peril7531]

i love how the facts get more interesting and niche rather than the usual iceberg tradition of just getting creepier

[@TheTiredPirate]

Icebergs are supposed to be laid out with less known subjects being at the lowest and most known being at the highest, regardless of topic

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@TheTiredPirate Usually the deeper it gets the more conspiracionist it gets though in this type of format. Glad it wasn't the case (almost the inverse)

[@singletona082]

And then you get to the Schliemann layer and want to learn how to resurrect the dead... purely to strangle him to death.

[@Unit_00]

Yeah, icebergs are supposed to put less known stuff the deeper you go, but people really suck at getting the themes of things so they started making muh creepy eyes berg

[@billdoyle9896]

@@singletona082 You are too kind and way too forgiving... Unless the point is further resurrections to repeat and embellish

[@ryanbraud2813]

"So much has been lost." This is the one thing ALL history nerds share and loathe regardless of what part of history we study.

[@hedgehog3180]

That's the thing about history that sucks, it's the one science where we can't just gather new data.

[@thelegend8570]

@@hedgehog3180 I'd never thought of it that way, now I literally can't stop. Damn it, that's so much worse than just "a lot of information was lost".

[@wormwoodbecomedelphinus4131]

Mfw no more research can be done without a time machine due to lost, corrupted and destroyed information. Paleontology shares the same issue, if not to a greater degree - a billion years of evolution, all those unique living things - not only extinct, but often without leaving fossils. So much has been lost, but we should still be happy with what we could salvage...

[@rascal342]

It’s what we’ve lost that makes what we do have so precious.

[@Gildedmuse]

Not just history nerds. Literature lovers weep at the thought of the library of Alexandria or the Tigris running black with ink. Rivers running red with blood with blood? Sure, heard it, war is terrible, blah blah blah.... Wait, it ran black? Like from pre industrial pollution by waste? Feom... from ink..!? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY DESTROYED ALL THAT WRITING!?

[@EmperorTigerstar]

When you hear the smooth jazz and see the video run time, that’s when you know you’re in for a good one.

[@sinanyucel3373]

It’s always amazing to see one of your favorite KZbinrs watching one of your other favorite KZbinrs. Thanks for the fantastic content emperortigerstar 😁

[@theshenpartei]

You know it

[@orth0man]

The tiger has arrived

[@SHDUStudios]

Fancy seeing another favorite here.

[@mariovsspongebob56536]

I'm surprised you haven't made a geography iceberg lol.

[@bludgeonedgoober868]

The lost Giant Aztec Snake Statue entry really intrigues me like it really makes you wanna go back in tims to truly see what became of it

[@corncockalot3307]

The worst part of archaeology is the more you learn the less you know, there will always be a plethora of information that is out of reach or lost during each era. So many questions that can never be answered.

[@daeusuntpinza1296]

this is applied to everything

[@-ah]

What is your pfp tffff

[@RobMacKendrick]

Also the best part of archaeology.

[@z9elka]

I tell myself, that when I'll die, I will know the answers 😂

[@dredhead117]

it's ritual

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

The whole rich people eating mummies thing just fully solidifies my theory that rich people have always been weird.

[@Hemostat]

Not to mention painting with them

[@ZephLodwick]

Some people have objectively too much money.

[@fattiger6957]

Just look at the Hapsbergs for proof of that.

[@kenm1167]

Not just rich but I think it's a result of having more leisure time

[@isaiahsimmons5776]

it corrupts

[@ludiprice]

Schliemann actually stole the location of the Troy site from another archaeologist called Frank Calvert. The only reason Schliemann was able to go ahead with the digs was because he had enough capital - and a complete disregard for following the rules. Calvert thought at first that Schliemann was just going to fund the digs and he would lead them; instead Schliemann took it over, gained all the glory, stole a lot of the finds, and nearly destroyed the site. The relationship between the two was understandably rocky after that, with Schliemann being a complete ass of an ingrate. I often wonder how superior our knowledge of Troy would be now if it was Calvert who'd been in charge of the site.

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

Damn! 😬 Weirdly, when I was learning about archaeology in the 1990s none of the sources I read (mostly intended for general audiences) commented on any of that, OR on his atrocious field methods... all they hyped up was his finding the site of Troy. Seems very strange in retrospect - were the authors trying to brush the less respectable antecedents of their field under the rug??

[@ludiprice]

@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 I don't think the authors were intentionally trying to bury the truth. The trouble is that Schliemann was such a flamboyant character, and he actively tried to bury Calvert's involvement in the discovery of Troy... like, he completely omitted Calvert's role from his diaries, and made it seem like the discovery was all his, so he got all the glory. I think his skullduggery was eclipsed by the awesomeness of his find, and the fact that he was a great self-promoter. If you want to learn more, there's a great book on it called 'Finding the Walls of Troy' by Susan Heuck Allen, which I really recommend. 😊

[@99Plastics]

and literally 0 evidence to support this theory lol

[@ludiprice]

@@99Plastics read 'Finding the Walls of Troy' by Susan Heuck Allen. Plenty of evidence based on primary sources in there. I really recommend it to anyone interested in the discovery of Troy.

[@AArbiter]

You can just wonder thanks to schliemann. he is the historical textbook representation of the people on twitter who say zoosexual is an actual sexuality.

[@thethiccwarrior6675]

25:06 I once saw a photo of a native American individual, holding a Katana, whilst wearing what seemed to be foreign clothes, and wearing a revolver along with it the connections this person must’ve had or the conquest experience must’ve been insane

[@kingofmtakina]

Holy shit where can I find that

[@thethiccwarrior6675]

@@kingofmtakina look up US military saber versus Tomahawk by scholagladiatoria he shows this photo early in the video probably about like eight minutes or less into the video Marcus Vance has a KZbin short on the subject with an additional photo of a separate individual

[@charlemagned]

As a classical art historian, just seeing the name Heinrich Schliemann coming up on the iceberg filled me with visceral rage. It's on sight in the afterlife

[@igloo.550]

I'm actually livid

[@ericcloud1023]

He's the definition of dumb luck. And it's fade on sight in any afterlife! Lol dude's going to have a line of angry historian's ready to kick his Keister up and down the pearly gates!

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Turns out: His personal Hell is literally getting his ass beat by every Archeologist and Historian on their way to Heaven or their respective religious beliefs.

[@drakengarfinkel3133]

Agreed.

[@jonathancampbell7798]

I felt the urge to dislike the video because what he did fills me with rage

[@hi-il7ug]

It’s quite comforting how similar and “human” past humans were. I’ve always been under the ignorant impression that past humans were animalistic and stupid. It seems as though humans have always been intelligent and creative, funny, and warm. All the faults of past humans are still present in our societies.

[@akiyachef_5213]

Perfectly said

[@sungjinotes]

omg yes i think about that all the time

[@CosmicKingEvol]

Were you just born last week or something? I guess my hope was too high that this was common knowledge. I apologize.

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

The next layer of THAT iceberg is that many animals are way more intelligent than we give them credit for. Corvids are smarter than we used to think cavemen were. Chimps engage in commerce and fashion of an extremely limited sort, and we knew for a while already that they can learn sign language. It's arguable that elephants follow an animistic pre-religion. Many animals are past the line many of us draw for personhood, so are they people? Or will we move the goalposts to, say, "must be hominid" or "must exhibit ubiquitous tool use?" Because basically all apes meet those. Tool manufacture? That depends on what you consider manufacture, and corvids will modify objects too, albeit not physically capable of things like flint knapping. I could go on, but this comment's already long and this aluminum skullcap's getting itchy.

[@aregulargenericname8794]

@@NieroshaiTheSable The sign langauge thing has been proven to be false fyi

[@SolidPlay]

What fascinates me about Schliemann is how he found Troy despite the fact most scientists thout it dosen't even existed. It's like someone today ventured to find El Dorado, Hyperborea or Hollow Earth entrance and succeded. What a madlad.

[@feasthomer]

We know where hyperborea is

[@Stormfin]

@@feasthomer In our hearts.

[@andrewnorris7642]

@@feasthomer you tell em GG

[@BibliaOfficial]

@@feasthomer in the heroin stash GG

[@tryingtobebetter7235]

and then proceeded to blow the place up.

[@gwenchapman5068]

I saw something interesting about the painting of old statues. Somebody theorized that the recreations of their painting may not be fully accurate because the traces of paint that would survive would be from the base layer. They then showed how minifigures are painted and the base layers of paint often don’t show at all the complexity of the final product which is interesting

[@lonestarr1490]

Yes, that makes a lot of sense for several reasons. Painting has always been a process of adding a multitude of layers. Why would they approach statues differently? Furthermore, in ye olden days nobody really understood how light and shadow works. So they might have added shadows to their statues (at least the ambient occlusion). Also, they would have been more than capable of depicting patterns, fabric, and other texture. Why would they omit that? And finally: carving such a statue is an immensely time consuming undertaking. Why would anyone, after such a lengthy process, just slap a bunch of colors on the thing and call it a day? I wouldn't be surprised if they took the same amount of time---if not more---painting a statue than carving it. These things were probably incredibly life-like. Given that, I'd assume there has been way more than just one female statue acquiring "the Stain".

[@bagelman10]

I... genuinely loved this iceberg. Mostly because it's actually researched and relevant to us as people

[@driveasandwich6734]

@@pufflepoint send the Mario 64 LARP fanfic iceberg please

[@VGMASRFY]

And it also has funny entry titles every so often, which is pretty uncommon for iceberg memes

[@vadernation1233]

@@VGMASRFY let us not forget a whole ass layer dedicated to Schliemann

[@nathanielbarraza760]

Diehold Foundation and Mudfossils university on KZbin

[@ash.r9k]

Broaden your interests

[@falkets7888]

the story of two brothers, mocked as boiler boys, having adventures all over the ancient world is absolutely the stuff of legends

[@justayeageristwithwifi345]

They should make it into a TV show unironically, it would be a great story

[@leserpentvert3364]

Like a real life Don Quixote

[@mercistephens7325]

@@leserpentvert3364 I don't think you've ever read Don Quixote...

[@leserpentvert3364]

@@mercistephens7325 Okay, I’ll admit the links are tenuous.

[@ayevince8857]

Two brothers … just two brothers

[@katofphats3689]

Getting all the way to layer 8 and hearing about the the cursed grilled cheese was like seeing an old best friend in a room full of interesting strangers.

[@No-cs2xf]

You typed "the" twice

[@neonflights5951]

@@No-cs2xf Yes

[@HolyRomanEmpire962-1806]

@@No-cs2xf Yes

[@rpmf95]

LL

[@gyattlover413]

Yes

[@djakfkanfnanfajfiajdjajdjd6719]

THE PAINTED PARTHENON?!?!?!? Oh my GOSH what I wouldn’t GIVE to go back in time to see that…also, the first female statue that had color on it reminded me almost of how some Russian Nesting Dolls are painted. I know that’s probably coincidence but I think that makes it cooler - even though there are different places and times, there are very similar underlying threads in music, art, culture, and so on…

[@Alyrulz421]

The thing that really hurts is that Schliemann is just the most awful example in recent memory. There's no telling how many guys like him were running around long before him fucking up priceless pieces of history

[@z-beeblebrox]

Hell, think of the Valley of the Kings, which only exists because in like 1500 BC Egyptian Pharaohs noticed THEIR ancient ancestors' giant pyramid tombs were getting looted and robbed, and they didn't want that happening to them. Fucking up priceless pieces of history is so time honored, it predates most priceless pieces of history

[@piepo5002]

He's as bad as ISIS.

[@theflipper404]

Julius Caesar helped In the destruction the Library of Alexandria lol. That to me is one of the most unforgivable acts anyone ever did in history.

[@circlebodo991]

and yet he is well known (tv shows with "Schliemann" in the title etc.). People with money can do anything in still be famous in history, doesnt matter how much harm they really did.

[@Nat-ls1uo]

Tbh I feel like everyone knows that was kinda the standard for around those times... Just greedy and horrendous people

[@errortryagainlater4240]

I'm on the second layer and I'm already blown away by the "cave art was primitive animation" entry. That's so unbelievably cool, especially since they managed it with such a "simple" technique.

[@crowsoto9612]

especially because that's a smear, an actual animation technique humans really have not changed

[@forrestgreene1139]

Perhaps it's also a representation of a herd. Jus sayin'.

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@forrestgreene1139 First thing that came to my mind, the description of many animals together. Just like you draw skyscrapers on top of each other to describe a big city.

[@KLAWNINETY]

...allegedly

[@franl155]

There's a documentary about whether Australian Aborigines could have reached Tierra Del Fuego, at the tip of South America and settled there. They showed a rock carving of what looks like a line of men holding spears facing another man; the man at the front of the line stabs the lone man. They reckon it's a "strip cartoon" of one man advancing on another and then killing him. I've got it on video somewhere; must see if I can convert it and upload it

[@pb7199]

i remember learning about Schliemann in high school! we watched a documentary about him and after each one of this blunders the class would go NOOOOOO in an increasingly more distressed tone

[@monroe7532]

I love collective emotional moments like this, especially when in school

[@Nugcon]

Appropriate response honestly

[@mongolianfishingvillages1371]

oh myyyy this is hilarious and totally relatable HAHAHAHA

[@lodxt]

what gets me the most is exactly the so much has been lost part, like how much we don't get just because we lack the context and have found just a fragment of something that existed thousands of years ago

[@knightofendor8384]

Absolutely in love with the “i was here” and the cracked stone obelisk, because I can just imagine some Viking reaching up as high as he can manage on whatever structure he was on and shakily writing his name like a middle schooler writing his name on the underside of the bleachers, or the mental image of a commissioned egyptian stone mason who just got a new commission from the government, and the new hire accidentally cracks the thing while it was 40% done so you just go whatever the regional equivalent of “...shit” is because now you *know* you aren’t gonna make the commission on time now. It all just feels so god damned human.

[@youwasattheclub4104]

And us talking thousands of years later about it. Just shows how sucsesful his Plan was💀😂

[@justanaverageguy912]

my favourite one is the inscription found in an odd place in a cave. It is basically scratched into the wall where it almost meets the ceiling in a very high place. People climbed up there, to find what ancient wisdom he may have left for these brave explorers. After diligently taking their photos and after translation, they found out it said: "This place is pretty high, huh?"

[@youwasattheclub4104]

@@justanaverageguy912 😂😂😂

[@PenumbranWolf]

So there is a funny story behind the viking graffiti on the Hagia Sophia. Apparently the people who studied the Sophia didn't know it was Runes until, now don't quote me on this I could be wrong, the advent of the internet. The story I remember is that they thought it was some sort of forgotten form of mesopotamian or mediterainian language until a chance meeting with a archeologist of scandinavia mentioned it was runes offhandedly. It turned out there were a couple of such bits of graffiti on the temple.

[@maxmagnus377]

@@PenumbranWolf I find that hard to believe that people working on studying the Hagia Sophia in the time of the early internet didn't know about the Varangian guard. The Byzantine emperors employed Scandinavians that had gone a-Viking, travelling south mostly via rivers, and ended up in Greece being paid handsomely as a personal elite imperial guard for quite a while. I could be wrong. This knowledge might have been lost to the people living and working in Istanbul at some point, but them not knowing this by the early to mid-nineties and calling it some lost Mesopotamian script seems to me more like something an overly enthusiastic but ill-informed tour guide would tell tourists.

[@doodle7342]

Part of what I love about the terracotta warriors was that they were so insignificant to Emperor Qin Shi Huang that they weren't included in the historical record books which is why we were so shocked when we discovered them. I just love that this man had so many side burial pits that he was like 'oh this room full of hand-crafted individual figurines, we can just not include that it's whatever'

[@hadesoneiroi]

Maybe he omitted it to plan a surprise party for those who would open it later lol

[@doodle7342]

@@hadesoneiroi I love that idea so much 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kekero540]

actually them not being included could have been an attempt to prevent looting

[@doodle7342]

@@kekero540 interesting point. I haven’t heard it looked at like that before that’s a really good idea!

[@kekero540]

@@doodle7342 they are also quite useless for a tomb looter to find.

[@Caprifoolaceae]

"it's ritual" being the Archeological equivalent of the "it depends on the species" I was taught as a Biologist warms my heart 🥺

[@youtubeuser206]

is eugenics popular amongst biologists

[@KaiserCeaser]

@@youtubeuser206 in Canada

[@snek7915]

@@youtubeuser206 depends on the species

[@irimiriam2934]

“Its ✨symbolism✨” in literature

[@WalterWhite-sp3uz]

that and the "close female friends buried together" thing...

[@stonebutch]

i remember i took an art history class in college that had schliemann’s “mask of Agamemnon” on the cover. when we learned about schliemann and the debated legitimacy of the mask, we were SHOCKED that it had somehow made it to the cover of our Art History Textbook 😭

[@veanbei]

Off topic but i like your pfp

[@stonebutch]

@@veanbei love and peace

[@matilde_5]

Is the moustache thing true??

[@user-rv8yv4yh9n]

It's always refreshing to see that despite being thousands of years apart, doodling on homework, bragging about lifting and shitposting on bathroom walls remains just as common. Time may be moving forward but some things never change

[@dreyri2736]

You can't even ritually slaughter animals now.

[@90enemies]

@@dreyri2736 Qurban is still a thing in many Countries

[@BlastinRope]

The material world changes with time, the human spirit does not

[@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis]

@@dreyri2736 what the hell's stopping you form dedicating fresh hunt to gods above in a ritual sacrifice?

[@user-qu6ij5sl1v]

Times change people dont

[@JoRiver11]

The 'blasting with dynamite' technique of archaeology was used by Walcott when he was searching for Burgess Shale specimens as well. If I remember correctly, it is now thought that the blasting muddled together different layers of creatures that would not have coexisted. Walcott, not realising this, documented them as being from the same layer. If it's true that they're separate, that means that the Burgess Shale exhibit at the Tyrell Museum is not accurate. (It's still one of my absolute favourite exhibits though.)

[@saulgoodmanKAZAKH]

"If ye like bownes and deenamyte, why not combine them, eh?"

[@adonaiyah2196]

@@saulgoodmanKAZAKH what the fuck are you talking about

[@Chris.Davies]

Dude, the Burgess Shales are an extensive area that have been excavated since its discovery more than 100 years ago. Walcott's findings were completely discredited , and nothing he proposed is accepted as true in 2021. All his mistakes have been obliterated by the facts.

[@Crow0567]

@@Chris.Davies heh. obliterated.

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

@@adonaiyah2196 Presumably is attempting a mockery of an accent

[@panickyandy8291]

What irritates me about the whole "ancient statues used to be painted" is that their recreations are so bland and flat. Like those are just the base colors, I'm sure there were other paints and pigments over top that added shading and other details.

[@anarchy_79]

"We are letting legendary Phidias carve the Parthenon for us, it will be known throughout the world for it's genius!" "Aye sir, and who should we have paint it afterwards?" "Eh, some sugar hyped five year olds."

[@JBlades88WV]

I agree, they looked a lot more beautiful and elegant without paint, imo.

[@Silva-avliS]

they probably dont have enough data to know the finer details, only the basic colors

[@desireer6915]

Truuuuueeee

[@edisonlima4647]

​@@anarchy_79 Lol Nonetheless... friendly reminder that "sugar rush" doesn't really exist, that's just American folklore.

[@TheAnthroScene]

As a History buff, I really enjoyed this iceberg, and how you debunked some of the ridiculous theories such as aliens in a cold, hard way. Easily one of my favorite icebergs!

[@RenoLaringo]

Depends on what we mean when we say ''aliens''. I would rather refer to them as human ''neighbours'' from another continent (beyond forbidden 60th parallel) than creatures from the skies. There's something off with our timeline and all the architecture left behind after the 1890 reset. There is NO WAY the 19th century cart and horse people could have built hundreds of thousands of those colossal capitols and ''Victorian'' buildings and cathedrals at the stage of technological development they were in. Strangely enough, every major city on mother earth has been burnt to the ground in absurd ''great Fires'' and reconstructed within a few years. Totally impossible even nowadays. Any serious study of the official narrative screams utter BS.

[@theredgoblin562]

He debunked it by calling it racist. Dont call yourself a history buff if thats enough for you. Im not saying it was aliens, but there is obviously lost technology. We werent cutting tons of granite with mm precision by grinding rocks

[@jimmythe-gent]

And yeah, he perpetuates dumb theories like a black cheddar man

[@Sepi-chu_loves_moths]

​@RenoLaringo if all your houses are simple and made of timber and pitch with no planning or regulations on what you make, I imagine it would both be a lot easier to burn everything down and to build it back up than nowadays. Id wager that might be a bit more likely than aliens from Antarctica doing it (for what reason?!). Literally some common sense and a quick Google search debunks your arguments lol

[@nyalan8385]

@@RenoLaringothis is either really funny satire or you are genuinely incapable of processing anything outside of what you interact with day to day in a small sheltered existence

[@Nyveria]

I’m actually blown away by the coffin paintings, genuinely thought they were from the renaissance era, was there more classical art that was painted that beautifully? Or is it lost to time now?

[@juanjuri6127]

there's written accounts of greek authors describing paintings and painters of their time, suggesting it was as lifelike as their sculptures (the coffin paintings shown in the video would likely come from the greek tradition, since they date to roman egypt, where there'd been a lot of cultural hellenization). There's practically no surviving examples of canvas paintings from that era, though, since in most conditions (other than being buried in desert sand) neither tempera paint nor canvas are particularly long-lived materials in the scale of time we're working with.

[@ROBLOXobama1337]

there are some frescoes that survive to the present day which exhibit amazing technique. i know there are early classical italic paintings in campania and a decent number of hellenistic paintings throughout the old greek world, but the best are from the early 1st c. bc in pompeii and herculaneum.

[@acolyte1951]

It was preserved very well because they're from Egypt. I think it was painted on Papyrus. If you look at ancient roman mosaics, some of those are also well done, so the idea of them painting a human face early reconnaissance level isn't unthinkable due to art skills. Certainly is awesome.

[@errortryagainlater4240]

@@zogwort1522 art snobs have been plaguing humanity since early civilisation it seems 💀

[@four-en-tee]

@@zogwort1522 Plato was a fucking dork then apparently.

[@homelessperson5455]

I like to imagine that the Voynich manuscript is genuinely fictitious. That the author made the entire thing as his little fantasy world with a whole fantasy language. Like an ancient Tolkien.

[@LoudWaffle]

I think that's the generally accepted consensus right now, since so many of the things depicted within the manuscript, such as most/all of the fauna, simply do not exist on Earth. It is definitely fun bait for conspiracy theories or a spark for fiction stories, though.

[@lurji]

its thought to be a womens health manual written in an invented language because the church wouldnt handle the information in it well

[@azkiin601]

Wasn't it written in a premative form of Turkish ?

[@alienrat-z3g]

that would be pretty cool I wish we could read it though

[@EcoCrat]

@@azkiin601 No.

[@Bob3D2000]

9:30 The same applies to medieval armour. The Victorians have given us the idea of bright, polished steel armour but in reality they would have been painted with the colours of their house, to match their standards. There are a very small number of surviving suits of armour with the paint intact.

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

To top it off, gluing on a layer of fabric was pretty common. As is true for much of Medieval fabrics, these were usually very colorful and bright instead of undyed or dark.

[@Xxx_Haliaetus_420_xxX]

Tbh most medieval armour was just metallic metal, andmost of the colour was from tabards, shields and banners etc. There is examples of painted armour but they're the exception not the rule.

[@TeeloTheH0neyBee]

I had this video in my “watch later” for over a year and finally caved into to watching it and I really wish I did sooner, as a history enthusiast, it’s so fascinating to see what differences us and people of the past had, as well as the SCARY similarities, I still see kids write “I was here” on random school properties or graffiti still being a concept, so interesting, though it’s scary to think one day our modern society could end up in the same vein as ancient relics within hundreds of thousands of years, if we were to lady that long, or maybe another sentient race will come along… OR ALIENS-

[@caslikes]

The "viking was a job description" thing is actually relatively common knowledge here in scandinavia. At least it's not as obscure as the other things in that tier. In school in sweden we learnt about the viking ages, how people lived etc, but they were just pre-christian nordic people. "viking" was never an ethnic description.

[@glenbe4026]

i think it is pretty common knowledge outside of North America. I am a new zealander and live in Australia, and it is a fairly well known thing

[@iscander_s]

Well, this iceberg probably was made from the North American point of view. For example for us Russians, Onfim doodles and birch barks letters as a whole is Level 1-2 knowledge, but a lot of stuff from this Iceberg's first levels is generally unknown.

[@BigWheel.]

I thought viking was the ethnicity of those guys on the TV who wear the purple clothes and throw the ball in Minnesota

[@vasculus3152]

Vikings weren't from around europe though. They were almost entirely Scandinavian.

[@glenbe4026]

@@vasculus3152 That is not technically true. Parts of Ireland, France, Russia, Scotland, England were under their direct control, whilst they also affected large parts of the rest. FFS they even served the Byzantine Emperor as his personal Varangian Guard.

[@DiamondsDroog]

idk the "Halfdan was here" (and other little ephemera like it) gets me every time. It's hard to say what Halfdan himself felt when he carved it, and it's unlikely he knew it would stand as a declaration of personhood that would survive for over a thousand years, but it's impossible for me to not get teared up over it. A human being who otherwise has been erased entirely by the decaying hand of time, but nevertheless is survived by a tiny metaphorical fingerprint smudged in the sand, reminding us that he once lived. "Halfdan was here" You sure were buddy, you sure were.

[@dabtican4953]

I enjoyed your comment but pull yourself together man!

[@VincentGonzalezVeg]

Would it be weird to sorta . . . Truman show? Like people talk about aliens possibly being just watchers what if we did that and every time he had a win in his life we're like "yeah you get it man" but like non-interactive probes that are way too far away for him to see The excitement is palpable

[@Runix1]

I think you'd love the 30 or so engravings in the Maes Howe burial chamber in Orkney, Scotland. My favourite is found high up on the ceiling: _"Tholfir Kolbeinsson carved these runes high up"_

[@miyuu1317]

I feel the exact same looking at the ancient Roman graffitis. So many people, so many little lives as colorful and dramatic and as plenty as any, that we just catch a glimpse of.

[@screamindog8772]

I’m gonna go to the moon, trace my name in a protected, hidden area, and 5000 years from now some people living there are gonna find it and I’ll be famous for eons to come! genius!

[@pastaconnoisseur8441]

Imagine you're an ancient Egyptian pharaoh (named Tutankhamun) and you watch a star literally fall from the sky. You'd imagine that it holds some kind of crazy power, but when you investigate, you find a smoking hot rock, so you have your best blacksmith forge this fallen star into a ceremonial dagger that you take to your tomb and it turns out to be lame old iron

[@mothmanafterdark5924]

Ok but King tuts meteor dagger is a killer boss wepon

[@pastaconnoisseur8441]

@@CARILYNF True lol

[@mi.an.8678]

It was the strongest metal known at the time though, they probably looked at it like we would look at captain America's shield in modern times(if adamantium existed)

[@AndyHappyGuy]

Tbh, he probably just found a cool rock had it made into a knife. He probably never knew it was made of iron, let alone from a meteorite. That meteorite probably crashed onto earth hundreds of years before him, and he just found a fragment of it.

[@MorganFreemanIsLife]

He had a dagger forged from the heart of a fallen star, and you call THAT lame? That's some mythical level shit!

[@keikodarling]

This was great and I was surprised at how many I knew! Being a student of archaeology for the last 40 years or so, I have read a lot and so much of this really was a trip down memory lane for me. Schliemann in particular was a field of study for me and I have a lot of books about him and one of just his letters My favorite, however, that wasn't mentioned was how Sir Arthur Evans is said to have repainted Knossos to what he thought it should look like. And how it moved things around to take pictures so that it looked nicer. He was weird.

[@dredhead117]

The "Boiler Boys" potentially traveling thousands of miles from Mesopotamia to modern day India, then thousands MORE miles all the way to Germany, in/around the year 235 AD is actually mind-blowing.

[@mickdipiano8768]

Precontact dogs is the video that brought me to your Chanel

[@norgepalm7315]

@@mickdipiano8768 your comment is very mysterious. Who are you talking to, why, and what does Chanel have to do with anything? Who influenced you to buy a purse?

[@Outthere115]

One of my favorite books "The Long Ships" by Frans G Bengtsson is basically about this. A badass Scandinavian guy is enslaved into Vikingry and ends up traveling clear across Europe. Really enjoyable historical fiction :D

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@norgepalm7315 Chanel is a purse!? I thought it was a perfume. Also, ignore the possible time -traveler.- tourist

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@Outthere115 Also probable, since the Vikings ended up as the Eastern Roman Emperor's bodyguard's

[@DONKFORTRESS6956]

I like how the whole "I will not water my sesame fields" are essentially telling the person who received them that they shouldn't come running back to them when they have no food

[@derelbenkoenig]

The lost Aztec serpent statue? Simply apply occam's razor here: the snake wasn't one of the statues in the exhibit. It was just an actual giant snake that showed up to the exhibit and ate a guy, and that's what the sketches are depicting

[@adonaiyah2196]

Is this supposed to be funny

[@osamintv6135]

@@adonaiyah2196 get a life

[@adonaiyah2196]

@@osamintv6135 get a sense of humour

[@babblefish5295]

@@adonaiyah2196 You got a shiny glass house buddy

[@cptnomar492]

@@adonaiyah2196 get ratioed

[@Osaka13]

"Don't tell me later I didn't write to you" made me laugh. It sounds so modern, like I have probably written or said that while dealing with my internet service provider or insurance company.

[@LeprosuGnome]

The "as per my previous tablet" and "bybon's stone" somehow made me realize that our ancestors were, well, humans! School books and articles always seemed to depict ancient humans as animals, irrational or incomprehensible. Seeing silly stuff I'd do myself connects me to a 10000 year old man who lifted a rock.

[@JavierEscuella1911]

It’s kind of strange that the human spirit has survived for so long

[@Luciens10]

@@JavierEscuella1911 the indomitable human spirit shall not be defeated by the cruel universe

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

Hate to break it to you, but even modern civilisations can be rather weird, like Egyptians with the genital mutilation of their children. What's to say of the human sacrifices in Cartage and Mesoamerica? - Adûnâi

[@rayanderson5797]

Nice to know that passive-aggressive bureaucracy has always existed since the invention of writing.

[@SolsisEquone]

@@rayanderson5797 probably longer tbh

[@yesyouarecorrect1315]

I love how instead of it getting creepy the iceberg gets more interesting and makes you curious. Also I like how light hearted this video feels and the few jokes sprinkled here and there. Makes me feel more comfy lol. Keep up the good work my dude!

[@marcovenerbautista6142]

09:33 "oh hi doggy" Edit: time stamp

[@realleechan]

i know i hate watching these iceberg videos that keep me awake at night. This is the content i enjoy. Although the song that played on the transitions spooked me a bit

[@birdsamora9925]

I agree

[@comicfan8350]

​@@realleechan THIS! I want to see interesting icebergs like this. Not some stuff that will make me depressed and scared.

[@realleechan]

@@comicfan8350 like dawg i came to learn, not to shit my pants before bed

[@ethoatom668]

Pertaining to the Sweet Potatoes on layer 8, one piece of evidence supports the idea that the Polynesians (likely the Rapa Nui or Marquesans) traded for them. The Quechua name for the Sweet Potato is "Cumal." In Rapa Nui and Aotearoa, the Sweet Potato is called the Kumara (The L became an R, and a vowel was added at the end since Polynesian words do not end with consonants.) It traveled from Polynesia, and the name evolved with each place it went to. In the Marquesas, they are called the "Kumaʻa," in Sāmoa, they are "ʻUmala," and in Hawaiʻi, they are called "ʻUala." This is all in line with how sounds shift as you travel throughout Polynesia. - Source, lives in Hawaiʻi.

[@TREYtheExplainer]

Very enlightening thank you so much

[@Ziiphyr]

Wow that’s pretty freaking neat!

[@tsriftsal3581]

Like Hernando and Fernando?

[@wikansaktianto9215]

In Japanese, sweet potato is called Imo Jaga. Does that mean they also contribute the name of Sweet Potato? In other news, Javanese folks called Sweet Potato Telā and we know that some Dutch Archeologist agreed that Polynesian branched from the people of Greater and Lesser Sunda's Archipelago. So, Telā rules Pacific Ocean.

[@ethoatom668]

@@wikansaktianto9215 many things go by the name "sweet potato," many of them not even closely related to each other. And many of them are now found in Polynesia; The first is the one originating from South America (With orange skin and white flesh)and is where the name Kumara/ʻUala originates and is the first sweet potato to arrive in Polynesia. Ironically, I'd say this variant has been usurped by other sweet potatoes in popularity where I live. The purple yam (Ube) (with purple skin and flesh) is very popular in Japan, Korea, and Hawaiʻi; it's known that these types of sweet potatoes were one of the many other canoe plants brought to Polynesia, though I haven't been able to find anything that confirms whether nor if their native Polynesian name is telā (At least not in Hawaiian). The Okinawan Purple Sweet Potato (Beni Imo) (With white skin and purple flesh) originates from well... Okinawa and is arguably the most popular variant in Hawaiʻi (and my personal favorite to work with great for making sweet potato pudding.) and are also called 'Uala. The Murasaki Sweet Potato (Satsumaimo) (With purple skin and yellow flesh) also originates from Japan and is very popular. The Sweet Yam (Sometimes also called a sweet potato) is another variant brought to Polynesia pre-European contact and is called Uhi in Hawaiian and Ufi in Sāmoan. There's probably more, but those are the only ones I remember (and can back confidently with information.) Some such as the Okinawan and Murasaki sweet potato were introduced post-European contact and are thus just have had the label of "ʻUala" attached to them, at least in Hawaiʻi.

[@Monodug]

Hello! ☕️ I know this video is over two years old now, but I wanted to comment a quick thank you for all the effort put into this video! What started as me just saying “I’ll watch 10 minutes while I drink my afternoon coffee” turned into me sitting down and taking actual notes of topics I want to research later, that I was shocked I’d never heard of before. Video is engaging without being overdramatic, and entertaining without being fictitious. Kind of weird to be typing out a whole comment for this, but I just wanted to express some appreciation and say good work! :)

[@brokenbiscuit3609]

Imagine someone who doesn't know that the Star Wars crew left their props in the desert and they just come across this abandoned ship.

[@registrado54]

I would be crying and shitting myself if I came across the krayt dragon skeleton

[@jerimeyperry3282]

@@registrado54 or in 500 years someone finds a lightsaber prop

[@DZrache]

11:40 The theory I'm most convinced by re: this manuscript is that it's author made it up as a kind of fantasy world-building. It reminds me of when I came across a book about fantasy creatures (maybe D&D) on a demo disk when I was a kid, and how I lacked context to understand why someone was writing about these fantasy creatures in such a serious seeming manner.

[@JrgPt96]

wasn't the manuscript recently decrypted? and it turned out to be women's health stuff? I might be misremembering, but I can remember reading that somewhere in the past two years or so.

[@hobbesfield1082]

@@JrgPt96 theres numerous claims of decrypting it every once in a while but i dont think anythings been like. peer reviewed

[@adamhayche8412]

I think you have the wrong timestamp? The time stamp you gave links to the hobby lobby section, instead of that book of cipher and drawings I think you meant to mention

[@DZrache]

@@adamhayche8412 You're right! Darn tiny phone keyboards lol Thanks :)

[@mistyminnie5922]

@@JrgPt96 there was another one of these books that was decoded into an extensive woman's health, medicine, and biology encyclopedia. can't remember what it whas called, though

[@twin6494]

A one HOUR trey the explainer video?! It really is a Christmas miracle.

[@TREYtheExplainer]

Hehe ^^

[@-elliott-averagedragonenjo1812]

A hour long video with a gay caveman conversation somewhere hidden within it!

[@carvoloco4229]

Santa came early this year. Well, that sounds misleading!

[@splumpy8469]

@@TREYtheExplainer plz make more longer videos!

[@danielrc6107]

Omg this didnt feel like an hour

[@RustiesCrusties]

It's nice to see that even thousands of years ago we still had a tendency to do random things in the spur of the moment, some dude was in this random place and decided to do the infamous " {name} was here ". I also appreciate the random doodles they did whenever they were bored.

[@patsysolatzzo2962]

I am so glad the painted statues are being brought up because I have several religious statues from Italy that are not white they are painted. I bought them from a man who claimed that his type of works dates back to ancient Roman times. I put them in my home and everyone tells me “they look wrong” or “ugly” but not to me. I think they look the way our ancestors enjoyed them and therefore I have more enjoyment of them.

[@hewhoplugwalks]

Now you have me thinking about the possibility of a Roman parent buying a small, handmade statue for their kid to paint bc they know it's fun to them 🥺🥺

[@Banana-zi8lu]

@@hewhoplugwalks aww thats so cute to think about

[@maddieb.4282]

Honestly I would be so insulted if a GUEST came into my home and said ANYTHING I own is ugly. I have unique taste and it would hurt my feelings. Luckily I can’t imagine any of my friends or family being so rude. Who are these people and why are you inviting them over??

[@patsysolatzzo2962]

@@maddieb.4282 yes I am not offended. They say the paint is ugly because they expect white which is not how they looked. A lot of my friends aren’t religious therefore do not have an appreciation for religious statues. It’s nothing I get hurt about because my simple Italian style is not what they have seen. It’s certainly not for everybody but I love their honesty and opportunities to tell them about the statues and their history

[@nightfall1249]

Why do you have religious statues? Shouldn't they be in a museum or gallery of some sort?

[@RRyleM]

I can picture Schliemann saying “How could they say that I’ve destroyed Greek artifacts!? I love Greek culture! My wife is Greek!”

[@pcpolice2518]

It's like the republicans who go "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!" lmao

[@joshuavidrine889]

@@pcpolice2518 "I'm not a racist, look, see! I'm part of a group that calls ourselves Anti-Racists! Don't mind that we promote hiring and firing people based on their skin color, that's not racism!" Or "You can't tell me I'm acting like a fascist, I'm in Anti-Fascist Action! I just attack people in the streets and vandalise businesses when they don't use symbology from or support the movements that make up my side of the isle!"

[@benadrylcumberbun]

@@joshuavidrine889 It's really easy to murder a straw man, huh?

[@joshuavidrine889]

@@benadrylcumberbun It's really easy to slap an "insert fallacy" label on something that makes you uncomfortable or goes against your ideology, isn't it?

[@calpines]

@@joshuavidrine889 ratio

[@alre1368]

As Native American I REALLY appreciate how accurate your research is on indigenous history.

[@alliebean3235]

He dropped the ball on the sweet potatoes bit, it discounts a lot of indigenous pacifika oral history on where they came from. The rest of the video is really good, its just that one point that engages in a light little bit of neocolonialism that rubs me the wrong way, as someone from Aotearoa. Like, he's seriously saying sweet potatoes making it through the south pacific alongside groups of people known for their navigational ability and nautical prowess is still a mystery, as if such a journey wasn't proven to be possible in fucking 1947.

[@Candle1ights25]

Oh hey! I’m actually Native American too!

[@gbae636]

Hey how are ya hey how are ya hey how are ya.

[@808fishman8]

@@alliebean3235 hello cousin, i always wanted to meet someone from aotearoa. im from Hawai‘i, do you folks have any legends of migrating from hee ?

[@alliebean3235]

@@808fishman8 i'm not māori myself, but i know they do have stories of migrating from Hawaiki, although the general consensus afaik is that Hawaiki is different from Hawai'i? Much love to you e hoa, mauri ora!

[@Kyuuwai]

13:12 I can consider my handwriting as "Unreadable Scripts"

[@subtotalaljar3620]

This goes to show how little I know about the field. I didn't even know the Sphinx used to have a beard. It makes so much sense.

[@TREYtheExplainer]

To be honest I had no idea either until editing. Apparently it was a later addition by a later pharaoh and not in the original construct.

[@subtotalaljar3620]

@@TREYtheExplainer interesting, thank you though. Helps to know that I'm not the only one that didn't know.

[@darkmessiah2832]

actually the spHinx was Anubis..was stuck down by lightning and the chest became the head of kufu who attempted to reconstruction..the story is on the Stella,,sheesh

[@sambradley9091]

@@darkmessiah2832 that's just one theory, not necessarily agreed upon and we can't know for sure

[@darkmessiah2832]

@@TREYtheExplainer sorry if i sounded snarky..new tech yielded new results..and the prior testing had been shown to be contaminated from a later era(s).. to me, it seemed he had become light, and that left a negative image in the cloth..here's a wild theory..what if in his travels to Egypt, he learned how to meditate and Astral travel past the veil and had done so many times..it was like the breath, it just happens without thinking, that he learned that if you deny yourself nirvana after passing, you become something more than what you were, and then tried to re-occupie your body, it would be absorbed and converted into the new body of light that you became..you cannot give energy back to something without some cost to the physical matter that you used..maybe, I'm way off lol

[@ShamirAndres]

On minute 24:00 When you're talking about why "Mesoamerica" Lacked the wagons or chariots there's a very simple reason for this; The terrain is far too complex for them to work, that's it. If you've ever traveled to these countries, you'd see for yourself. We still used wheels and stuff for normal usage and transportation with manual labor.

[@Robocopnik]

Yeah, you'd need some kind of emergency brake or something, which I'd imagine is quite a bit more complicated.

[@gandalf6751]

And the Americas didn’t have beasts of burden, like horses and oxen, generally used to pull big carts.

[@turtleboy1188]

They worked on their cardio

[@artsysub-zero1082]

@@gandalf6751 but couldn’t they just have used like an army of goats or sheep if that was the reason

[@kakonthebed]

@@artsysub-zero1082 perhaps, but goats and sheep are also lowkey dumb. Goats in particular tend to fight with one another a lot. So actually getting those animals to pull things may be met with mixed results

[@pastedtomato]

I love how much of history and archeology has happened and been preserved by pure chance and luck.

[@Verm0nte]

now imagine the amount of things that have been lost too, really makes you wonder

[@schz2589]

​@@Verm0nteIt reminds me a lot of how dinosaur fossils are only naturally created in certain environments, meaning there could be entire continent-defining species or groups of species that we will never know about. Imagine travelling back in time to when dinosaurs existed and finding tons of unknown creatures living everywhere, but because of their biology or the environment they died in there were just no fossils.

[@BananaRama1312]

Yea its obvious and called surviver bias

[@jasonmunoz334]

It's not luck, some maybe not legit but check this archeological,historical, and scientific evidences, that bible is the truth and Jesus is Lord! And God of the bible is the only God kzbin.info/aero/PL0xrHj0s3vCET1Px5xmcQDfb3uvyBUAXi&si=2hT1S7KNiwSr-dFf

[@sadmeowmeow5157]

​@@BananaRama1312smart alec 🤓

[@Stonehenge-Man]

One of the reasons why I love studying archeology is even when we don't have all the answers, sometimes it can still inspire good fiction.

[@maxobb7259]

The main thing I learned was that I knew a hell of a lot more about archaeology than I originally though.

[@gavinmcphie6936]

I realized that I didn't know nearly enough. What a great video.

[@satan1189]

Boom 666th like

[@violetstellanova4470]

I learned in a college art history class that Schliemann may have even tampered with the “mask of Agamemnon” because the beard style seems too contemporary (handlebar mustache), as if they were hammered onto the metal recently.

[@notseenontv4819]

what the actual fuck heinrich schliemann, not cool

[@familjenfurumark788]

Dude,uncool

[@NorthernChimp]

I heard he did some wall painting in Knossos as well.

[@cara-seyun]

Oh my that style is simply so old-fashioned! Here, let me assist you in keeping up with the times.

[@AzayBae]

Imagine this chad looking at this old piece of art and saying, “I dislike his cut, I’m not showing off a mask of a loser with yee-yee ass facial hair.”

[@ED-yy4te]

There are plenty of "bizarre" archeological stuffs in Asia like Roman coin in a Japanese castle, the gear bracelets in Thailand, the debt clearance inscribed in a copper plate in Philippines, lost tomb of Cao Cao somewhere in China

[@thursoberwick1948]

Early Central Asia is largely a mystery. The Germans took away a lot of archaeological material in the thirties, but unfortunately it was bombed during the war. The area was a crossroads for many little known cultures and there is evidence that Romans were trading with Chinese in the region- that type of thing.

[@invictus_1245]

The Roman coin in Japan doesn't seem that implausible, Japan and China obviously traded and interacted in antiquity and the Chinese allegedly spoke to Europeans in Latin in the 18th century so they interacted with Rome or Roman speakers.

[@ED-yy4te]

@@invictus_1245 It came from silk road obviously but still very rare to travel that far.

[@redstarling5171]

Yea im sure people found coin collecting to be an interesting hobby even back then.

[@thursoberwick1948]

@@redstarling5171 Not far off. Used as good luck charms and all.

[@atgfam8679]

On the sweet potatoe thing. I'm from the island of Samoa. And our word for them is the same as some native America's. And we have a large chocolate culture that we had before european contact, even if scientists keep trying to tell us it was brought over by them haha

[@BananaRama1312]

wE wuZ KanGz CleOpaTra WaS bLaCk cUuH 🤡

[@fhigashi]

Peruvian here. And yes, in school we are taught how an Inca ruler sailed to Samoa and some other islands with a simple boat or ship.

[@acklesis]

@@BananaRama1312 what are you yapping about

[@LuXangoCain]

@BananaRama1312 WE WAZ VIKANGZ AND ARYANZ 🤡

[@BananaRama1312]

@@LuXangoCain 🤣 pathetic Response None ever says that lmao Did i hurt your 3rd world Feelings? Haha

[@edwardglass9602]

I don't think I've ever been so personally angry at a historical figure than at Schliemann

[@freakishuproar1168]

I wanna go back in time, grab him by the shoulders and just shake him, yelling "why are you like this?!"

[@nobleststrive]

At the beginning of that layer I was angry, but by the end I was laughing in disbelief.

[@leelu9236]

That's intentional I think. The way academics talk about him seems curated to produce hate. He's undeniably portrayed a specific way. He absolutely made huge mistakes out of ignorance in how to properly handle artifacts, something thats actually not uncommon in earlier archeology. I think what the crux of the issue really ends up being is that he humiliated the established academics of his time by actually discovering something they emphatically denied existed. There's a rather long history (no pun intended) of those in academia downplaying, stealing or demonizing the work of those outside of it. To have an amateur so publicly prove them wrong would be unacceptable. There's nothing so petty as a butthurt academic. A more balanced discussion of his work would acknowledge that his discovery was almost certainly the impetus for a number of other digs involving sites that the academic establishment had deemed nonexistent. People may hate him but his discovery of Troy was ultimately a shift in perspective that the field of archeology desperately needed. His influence was enormous.

[@lopnezk1320]

Maybe a person like Schliemann was needed to find ancient Troy.

[@iamsueshii8529]

im so mixed on him. one if he didn't do what he did, i wouldn't have a job (i study troy) but also, so much of my work is lost. but also, baller for him to go against the common notion that troy was fake

[@nb5437]

One of the archaeologists who discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls is still alive. He's currently 106 years old. Edit: he died 8 days after I posted this

[@ericb.4313]

If there is a god, that's probably his way of thanking him for finding that.

[@saintofkildas]

It’s like items in games, +2 Health and +2.2 Piety

[@azhariarif]

I thought it was a farmer who found it.

[@biggibbs4678]

He secretly found something else in those caves

[@WalterWhite-sp3uz]

Chucked the scrolls at the world and kept the grail...

[@Kikabopom]

as soon as i saw that Schliemann had a whole layer to himself i knew this was legit, only man crazy enough to use dynamite in an archaeological dig site.

[@Taaot17]

That boo effect got me to like instantly oml that was funny. I really love your work, your voice is great and you’re more linear than others I’ve watched before

[@justanotherdreamer.8669]

48:14 “Massive prehistoric stone jars made by an unkown prehistoric civilisation with frog like humanoids depicted on them.” I have read enough Lovecraft to know where this is going.

[@johannageisel5390]

They probably made fermented "frog" legs in them.

[@justanotherdreamer.8669]

@@johannageisel5390 You could be right but I am keeping my book of ancient forbidden rituals close at hand JUST IN CASE we do discover a highly advanced humanoid frog society that worships gods out of space😂

[@johannageisel5390]

@@justanotherdreamer.8669 They definitely worship Tsathoggua.

[@tehMilkboy]

It surprised me and warmed my heart that you talked about the plain of jars in Laos, as my mother was born there. The explanation is quite simple : back when (giant) ogres used to roam the land, the jars contained alcohol and served as a dowry for the wedding of an ogre king and a human princess. Or so I've been told anyways. Jokes aside, well crafted video, I don't know the first thing about archeology but liked every piece of it.

[@MariaM11]

thank you for sharing !

[@drsharkboy6568]

So you’re telling us that Laos is where Shrek and Fiona go to get hammered? /j

[@hopernim]

Same here! I'm of Lao blood as well, and I was so excited when he mentioned laos and xiangkhouang! 🥰 gave me more context as per the jars too, because ive only really ever thought that they were used to store alcohol and not that they would have been used as burial sites.

[@FSEThompson]

I like the first person Venus theory - even though prehistoric people could see their reflection in water, that doesn't mean they felt the need to record or express their body in third person format. After all, everyone sees you in third person, but only you know what you see when looking down at your own body.

[@philipsawicki9550]

What about other people? They could have obviously seen other people. Why should think that they look so different then?

[@FSEThompson]

@@philipsawicki9550 i didnt mean to imply ancient people thought that they appeared to have those exact proportions in the eyes of their peers, my point was more that these figures could be an attempt to capture how one felt when looking down at themself. You are the only person who knows what you look like from that angle after all, so it could be an attempt to express, record and share that perspective, not in an attempt to capture an "objective" view of the self, but to invite others into the experience of seeing yourself the way you do. (or to record that experience for yourself as a form of self actualisation, or all sorts of reasons which we can never "know", but which could be centred on the sensation of looking at yourself from inside yourself, rather than expressing how you look to others)

[@philipsawicki9550]

@@FSEThompson Aaaah got it! Thanks for explaining

[@jasonhommas1775]

@@FSEThompson When I look at those figures I think about all the times I’ve doodled myself and the room around me from my own perspective, just as a fun exercise. My theory is that they weren’t meant, necessarily, as self-expressive art, but just as a fun hobby you could do from anywhere, which would explain why they didn’t bother making the faces when they could technically have seen their reflection in a puddle-they could just work on it while laying down or sitting when they had some spare time, and it spread around like a trend

[@haileyo450]

i thought that one was super interesting too!

[@yaboyonlinerage]

this will always be one of my favourite falling asleep listening to-explainings thank you trey :3

[@sadshiver]

The Schliemann layer was gold. It is good to let people know what they lost because of him.

[@plaunetery317]

that part physicallt hurt me as a Turkish person who is in love with greek mythology 😢

[@notsocrates5979]

That "So much has been lost." bit hits hard after you hear about Caligula's Coffee Table and the Schliemann layer. How many things have been found after being lost just to be destroyed in the end? How much is there that is only lost because of our own wanton destruction? How much has been lost due to misguided and haphazard attempts at trying to find those things?

[@scockery]

Lost cuz no one wanted them. TROY WAS THE OAK ISLAND OF ITS DAY. Everyone thought it was bullshat. Schlieman proved them wrong and they HATED him for it. Bookworms owned by destructive German. If ya gotta destroy history to build science, so be it....Jedi...

[@IronDeath79]

@@scockery If you've got to destroy history to improve science, science isn't worth improving.

[@scockery]

@@joshuagoh6383 History is like modern news, it's about hyperbole, not the often mundane truth.

[@kw1n__]

@@scockery i dont think we hated him for proving us wrong. as stated by another commenter before, the site was already found by another called Frank Calvert. we only started hating on schlieman not because he excavated troy, but because he BLEW most of it UP

[@cara-seyun]

I think about the Dead Sea scrolls, how many other documents weren’t brought to archeologists and instead used as kindling for a family fire?

[@paperclip9558]

The idea of humans living in pre-mirror time never once crossed in my mind before, holy crap.

[@imbaby5499]

My parents, who come from a very rural part of Afghanistan, also didn't have mirrors when they were very young.

[@tianna1116]

@@imbaby5499that’s crazy! Did they know what they looked like?

[@imbaby5499]

@@tianna1116 yeah, they had pots with water that they used. But it was frowned upon for younger people to do that for whatever reason (they were adolescents at the time).

[@lleon79]

@@tianna1116 with water

[@BarknoorZ]

Timestamp please?

[@lfigueroa2986]

"Do not tell me later you did not write to me" IS THE FUNNIEST THING EVER DSICOVERED TO BE WRITTEN

[@jakobc.2558]

"So much had been lost." So true. So many artifacts just simply do not survive the test of time. It is entirely possible that a ancient civilisation existed some 60000 years ago but all evidence is litteraly erroded.

[@Jeroen_Penninck]

probably not

[@gonzodidonato4852]

@Li F bruh

[@unoriginalhazard]

@@Jeroen_Penninck well recently they've managed to discover evidence of humans dating back to 300k years. Which is a big game changer.

[@marton8288]

@@unoriginalhazard there’s quite a gap between humans existing 300k years ago and an entire civilization existing 50k years before writing existed. it’s possible, just not likely

[@unoriginalhazard]

@@marton8288 its more possible than you originally believe.

[@YAH2121]

Imagine the countless artifacts lost due to fires and wars over the centuries. WW2 alone saw entire cities (dresden, etc.) set ablaze. The Nemi ships are an example of what war can do to relics. That doesn't include when early modern,medieval or ancient armies would sack and wipe whole villages and cities off the map or religious iconoclasm, or plain old looting and smuggling. Just in the past decade we had jihadists destroying old temples and museum artifacts in Iraq and Syria.

[@FumblsTheSniper]

The most in-tact dinosaur fossil was destroyed in an Allied bombing raid of Germany. It was a stegosaurus and somewhere over 70% complete.

[@burritodog3634]

@@FumblsTheSniper great job allies 👏i guess they did what they had to do

[@mangoboy4924]

@@FumblsTheSniper plus the only complete Spinosaurus fossil :(

[@woody500z]

Makes you think perhaps we should move all artifacts to a cave deep inside Antarctica or something for safe keeping. It would have to be heavily guarded too.. Or maybe that would just make a single point of failure incase something goes wrong...

[@Doublemonk0506]

Want to know something worse? Some artifacts might have been destroyed because the person's grasp slipped and.... Crack! No more artifact

[@TheLonesomeRanger596]

The "so much has been lost" really hits home personally with how much indigenous history has been lost overtime in the americas especially over the course of colonization, there's so many beautiful cultures and stories we'll never know.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Eh, they also erased each other for millennia. Seems that'd destroy more than the new arrivals ever could.

[@BandAid350z]

That could be said about any culture that we know little or nothing about. Colonization was not specific and only of Europeans. I wonder why you chose that specific region to be upset about.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

@@BandAid350z We both know why.

[@sharanski]

you’re 100% correct-i hope you can ignore the tone deaf replies to your comment, it’s sad that people will dedicate their lives to nationalism for a country that will never repay or defend them. it doesn’t take much learning to understand and acknowledge the effects of colonialism through history

[@MeanBeanComedy]

@@sharanski 🤡 It doesn't take any learning at all. It just takes some propaganda, but you have to start young!

[@vaguelyspecific9955]

I'm just seeing this a year old, but I gotta congratulate and thank you. This was a GREAT piece and must have been a ton of work. Great job,! Very entertaining

[@TREYtheExplainer]

Hey thank you so much! That really means a lot. I'm so happy to hear you enjoyed it!

[@Pepececillo.]

There are some evidence that shows the people of the easter island had trade with mapuche people in chile (in isla mocha if i remember right), and the mapuche had trade with incas, so there you can have the possible route of the sweet potatoes to the pacific islands. (Sorry for my bad english, im from chile)

[@sharanski]

that’s crazy, i had no idea. thank you for sharing. your english is perfect!!

[@octaviogutierrez9158]

The incas actually arrived in polynesian islands when the prince Tupac Yupanqui went into the ocean with hundreds of totora boats and warriors. In the easter island there's a stone wall built with inca megalithic style so similar to the walls only found in Cusco, ollantaytambo, pisac, vilcabamba or machu picchu.

[@Pepececillo.]

@@octaviogutierrez9158 wow, didn't know that, so is clear how the potatoes came to the pacific

[@davidls187]

Many small artifacts clearly meant to be small versions of clay tablewear have been found in many Aztec archeological sites. Some people had interpreted them as religious pieces made for rituals, other more outlandish theories claimed Aztecs had contact with civilizations of tiny goblin like creatures. Turns out it was just toys. For children to play with.

[@donjuan2001]

It's interesting to think about how the most unremarkable item or person can become unimaginably valuable from an Archeological standpoint. No matter how insignifigant you may feel, remember that someone thousands of years from now may uncover your remains or belongings and study it extensively.

[@pigwigley4537]

Can I steal this quote for my Twitter

[@lilTwigLP]

They talk about that in Indiana Jones. The one guy says this watch doesn’t cost this much but put it in the ground for 2000 years and some people might kill each other over it

[@BlackBoxMysteries]

The author really knows how to create unexpected twists, making the story even more exciting.

[@itsumayo]

Here’s a cool fact about Mayan archeology that I learned in Belize. Many of the buildings and temples are somewhat underground. Let me explain. Many of them are so old that they’re covered in a thin layer of dirt and plants that make them look like hills rather than structures. So there are a lot of structures (especially near the border of Guatemala) just waiting to be uncovered.

[@mkx9095]

I dont believe the layer theory cause other ancient building are in top . So it was a buring or a flood imo

[@Sashazur]

Over the past few years they’ve done LIDAR scans of central and South American jungles and have detected hundreds or thousands of buried structures.

[@wabc2336]

WE HAVE LOST SO MUCH

[@LSUrugby8]

The pyramids in Egypt were dug up as well.

[@desireer6915]

​@@mkx9095 Friendly counter-thought to your thought: different terrains in different climates and regions have different, varrying levels of erosion and soil build up. The Mayan ruins are located in in various places deep in the jungle. They were built over 2,000 years ago. From what I understand the jungle they were built in has been a jungle throughout that time. What happens when leaves fall and trees falls? Eventually they decay and become topsoil. After years of this happening (2,000+ years of it) a structure built on the surface will gradually get covered with layers and layers of dirt and leaves. Which is why we are still discovering and unearthing Mayan ruins to this day. And why a lot of Mayan ruins were "burried" by the jungle.

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

Ancient artifacts give me a sense of existential connection. To feel something made by a long forgotten fellow human’s hands. As if they’re reaching out and saying to me, “I was here.”

[@BelcarrigFarm]

Halfdan was here

[@leonelnm963]

Your comment reminded me of that kurzgesagt video

[@zehrad3994]

I really love how you can mix archaeology and humor together with modern memes, this video was really interesting and overall taught me a lot unlike a lot of other videos i've watched. Thank you, I'm definitely subscribing.

[@zehrad3994]

@@zogwort1522 Who told you that I wasn't a facebook grandma?

[@marzipan24]

Archaeology is definitely one of the fields with the most memes, at least in my experience

[@Jablan11]

The Schliemann i made it up meme killed me, 11/10

[@harmonious_choir]

Okay but the fucking jumpscare WASNT FUNNY

[@TakeWalker]

I am here to inform you that "creeping feathered serpent shadow" can be sung to the tune of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

[@johnindigo5477]

8ish syllables