The Arkham Batman Is Alive - The Suicide Squad Game Is Dead

[@DegenerateJay]

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[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

DC gamers: “Tell me.” To rocksteady management. “Do you bleed?”

[@jj_grabes]

I'm still so mind boggled how this game axed Wonder Woman in the same story they introduced the character after her being the one hero in this game that isn't the butt of weird edgy humor.

[@Ryx1990]

They should have killed Amanda Waller. I can't stand her character! I would love it if she was put in a purple stasis thing.

[@SpiderSora]

They may not have killed Arkham Batman but they definitely killed any reputation Rocksteady had left

[@lordcheesus1013]

Most of the crew who worked for Rocksteady at the time the og Arkham Trilogy was made had long since left anyways. So of course anything Arkham related coming out now is a pale imitation anyways. Any passion for DC comics or Batman himself is long gone. It's all about the paycheck and pushing messages now.

[@DegenerateJay]

Unfortunately yes. The higher ups who pushed this game, whether it's just the co-founders who left (and took a bunch of their prior teammates with them) or the top WB executives (Depends who you ask who pushed it) damaged the reputation here.

[@jonathanbarr9764]

@@DegenerateJay Based off of everything I've read about this games production, there's plenty of blame to go around whether it's Warner Bros forcing Rocksteady to make another super hero game when the developers were dealing with burn out, the developers having no prior experience in making a live service and decided to not consult anybody who did have experience about what to do. The team that wrote the story and decided to leave the reveal about the Justice League being alive hidden in DLC. There's just so many examples and if it wasn't for NDA's I'd love to see a documentary about this games development with interviews with various team members about everything that went so wrong.

[@ataridc]

Arkham origins was the best one anyway, LOL

[@jonathanbarr9764]

@@ataridc To each their own. Actually I posted a comment about this game on a community post and someone responded to me that I should try to give this game another chance even though I've never played it due to the poor handling of pretty much everything. I didn't really think about it at the time but that was probably one of the few people who loved this game. Before you ask I let them down as gently as possible telling them why I couldn't.

[@jj_grabes]

Rest in Peace Arkham Wonder Woman, we barely knew thee

[@RacingSnails64]

Genuinely one of the few good parts of this game. Wish she had been the protag.

[@lordcheesus1013]

Eh. All they have to do is bring in another version of her from the multi-verse. Or use Braniac's tech to revive her since they have control of his ship. Not that it matters. This fake game can rot for all I care. It's not cannon anyways.

[@B50-j1n]

Yeah she was THE GOAT in this game, but hey, in dlc deathstroke mentions that she can come back cause from clay and stuff. I hope so (btw she was a baddie in this game DAMNN)

[@ultron_sigma]

Except this isn't arkham, this is just an alternative version including batman. The real arkham ended with arkham knight

[@KaizerSozaye]

I hate to be that person but it’s We *Hardly* knew *Yee*

[@WrestlingGod-f4v]

It’s not only they kill wonder, woman, but they also killed Robin as well

[@thatoneguy5347]

No way! They killed Wonder AND Woman??

[@WrestlingGod-f4v]

@@thatoneguy5347 yes the wonder of all the woman’s is dead technically technically not but I’ll explain to you if you want to

[@DegenerateJay]

I always thought that one was a bit up in the air though. Unless I missed something all they found was a little blood and his mask. He might be dead though and that was a dangling plot thread for whatever reason.

[@WrestlingGod-f4v]

@ yeah but I might have a theory to all of this how it could make sense and I couldn’t research something of how the clone thing wasn’t actual thing if you want to hear about it

[@josep754]

​@@thatoneguy5347 yeah, they killed the sence of wonder in my heart, lmao

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

Suicide squad developers: “See fans we told you the league was alive.” DC Gamers: “And what was your game again?”

[@DegenerateJay]

Suicide Squad : Kill The Justice League's Clones, Watch Wonder Woman Die and Make Bad Jokes - The Movie - The Game™

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

@ Deadpool: “Lame! These gamers should totally play my awesome ultra combo 4th wall breaking bad@$$ game. That, mind you, has cameos galore, great story, and one manliness of men. Me!”

[@Avalon64]

@@DegenerateJay oh you mean the game where it doesn't matter if I pick the shark or the unfunny groomer clown girl...because they ALL play the same?

[@KaizerSozaye]

Confirmed sequel: Justice League Kill The Suicide Squad.

[@offtheshelfET]

It feels like a comedian who begins his act by telling the audience to go f themselves and then closes it by announcing to the empty seats that he was only kidding

[@marcoasturias8520]

I seriously hate how the concept of multiverses is used to write as cowardly and insipidly as possible

[@duvallxavier4368]

Welcome to comic books, even the best stories chicken out with multiverse shenanigans

[@sad_cheese67]

man, the only good uses of it i've seen in writing are the spider verse movies and the "better world" episodes in the old justice league show, followed by the cadmus storyline in justice league unlimited. but cadmus had hardly anything to do with the multiverse at all, it just happened as a result of the discovery of the multiverse. the multiverse can work, but lately, writers just use it for... too much.

[@comicfan1324]

Anyone else find it hilarious that Green Lantern, the flash, and even Superman needed the squad to cause enough damage to brainiac’s ship to free them… but Batman was seemingly able to escape on his own Damn. Even the game that tried to kill him in the most humiliating way possible can’t help but give this guy MVP status

[@Seanmyers2000]

As it stands Arkham knight is the definitive ending for this universe, I hope they make more single player games to continue the franchise

[@lehahiah81]

under a different company

[@dionysisnance4204]

Let be honest the only reason this game got any Attention is because it was in the arkham verse otherwise this game would've been forgotten like gotham knights

[@lordcheesus1013]

It's still forgotten anyways. That's the laughy part. As Jay said, only when someone mocks it is when people bring it up. It failed so miserably, 'tis glorious. Anyone with half a brain knew the JLA wouldn't actually be killed off. Not really. This was just another stunt pulled to push some messaging through.

[@offtheshelfET]

Oh shoot, I forgot about that game. That game that despite its flaws still managed to write an incredible Batman death scene

[@mac1991seth]

I bought the Gotham Knights, forgot to play it, found a review, learned that it's a looter shooter minus the shooting, tried to refund it (never even launched it) but Steam refused. No more pre-orders. The next Batman(ish) game I'm buying will be after very thorough research plus all patches applied.

[@claytongentry6417]

It is hard to care for something when you didn't see at as canon in the first place

[@xoler2167]

Arkham Batman will always live through us. We’re done with Rocksteadys bad standup routine. Without Paul Dini, it fell apart

[@jaxxpool9630]

Respectfully disagree. I honestly think Paul Dini’s plans for Arkham Knight were very shallow and Hush’s buildup in City doesn’t really make sense after re-evaluating. The people who wrote KTJL list their edge after Arkham Knight.

[@DegenerateJay]

Kind of crazy how heavy his involvement helped elevate the prior games before Knight too. Idk if you're aware, But he did work heavily on the Batman The Adventures Continue DCAU comics in recent years. So if you're a fan of his work, I know a lot of people don't know about those comics, I would check them out. Pretty fun.

[@DegenerateJay]

@@jaxxpool9630 Unless I'm unaware of something, did we ever even see Dini's full plans? All I've ever seen is he planned to focus on Scarecrow and Hush, and no more confirmed details than that.

[@jaxxpool9630]

@@DegenerateJay There was never a full confirmation of everything he planned outside of Scarecrow, Hush and Harley having a baby. But honestly, I don’t think his ideas would’ve been good either way. Like the Hush mission in Arkham City relies on a lot of contrivances like Hush leaving bodies out in the open for Batman when he could’ve hid them in much better places like the sewers and Batman giving up on chasing Hush when it can take him like three minutes to catch up and catch him. So it’s my unpopular take that we’re better off with what we got in Knight.

[@mac1991seth]

Batman TAS on IMDB is 9.0 with 125k ratings. Batman Caped Crusader is 7.3 with 14k ratings. Paul Dini was involved with both. It feels like even the most renowned authors have lost their edge.

[@Dylanisa_BasketCase]

To quote one of my favorite bands. "In The End it doesn't even matter."

[@Squishy246]

"you tried so hard and got so far but in the end it doesn't even matter" 😔 time to replay Arkham Knight

[@Joe_Kerr_9797]

When I hear "It doesn't matter" I think of Owlman from Justice League Crisis On Two Earths.

[@Avalon64]

they even tried so (no no they didn't actually) hard to lose it all too!

[@nootn00tdoot13]

If there is any justice Red Hood will kill Harley. It was absolutely gross seeing them glorify Arkham Harley who is without a doubt the most evil version of her.

[@featherguardian6023]

This Curse is finally over and now I’m just going to say it, Rocksteady should stay away from DC as I’m never trusting them again

[@DegenerateJay]

I think a lot of people feel this same way. For me it depends who is working on it, who is in charge and what their motive is.

[@TheGreenManiac10]

Nah DC want more Batman Games bro

[@josep754]

​@@TheGreenManiac10 DC wants more Batman but they're gonna have to earn the trust back

[@comicfan1324]

Here’s my question: is Robin still dead? Technically, we don’t see a body, but the scene with his bloody mass on the ground definitely is supposed to imply he’s dead. Although I guess you could argue, maybe Robin was bleeding a lot and lost his mask, but managed to slip away from clone Batman. I mean, if this Batman can lose to four morons with some rusty old guns, something tells me the clone doesn’t quite live up to the original.

[@offtheshelfET]

What infuriates me is that they just ended up making this a multiverse story anyway, so there was literally no point in making the Justice league you kill be the arkhamverse ones

[@lehahiah81]

Makes sense to head canon this out of the Arkham franchise, because it already does that on it's own with the amount of contradictions to the previous games, and it wasn't created by the people that made the trilogy.

[@jacknite625]

this one game brought down an entire company if you really think about it

[@TheSsjJoker]

Gotta say this whole game was pointless, if anyone liked it that’s fine but this game is just bad…all I know it’s non canon idc what anyone says.

[@simmat6419]

Same. I would give the game a 5/10 "mediocre"

[@TheSsjJoker]

@ that’s fair but for me I say a fucking 2/10 lol 1. For good voice acting 2. Kevin’s performance specifically

[@Jasonbowgaming]

Same the ending was crap and trash don’t even care if I spoil myself but after seeing the ending it makes me not want to play this awful game anymore is still trash even Arkham Knight is 10 times better then this horrible game

[@primal8724]

Well like it or not it is Canon if RE fans can accept Resident Evil 6 as Canon then you can accept this game as canon

[@mac1991seth]

@@primal8724 RE6 has fumbled the gameplay but I don't think that many people have a problem with the story, the story is very much on brand. Suicide Squad fumbled the story hard.

[@stanco1273]

Arkham batman being the final blow to defeat brainiac is perfect

[@michaeljordan9664]

Watching this game is like trying to watch the Wizards every single time I was not on the team. 🏀

[@TevyaSmolka]

Rest in peace suicide squad kill the justice league you will not be missed because this game was bad and freaking garbage in my opinion.

[@C.R.Cole331]

So we can imagine that the entire game doesn't exist or its events didn't happen? Good.

[@TheSauceYouGetLostin]

I'm glad the Justice League is alive, WB now have the option to redeem themselves with some stand alone games for the JL members. The OPTION. Although now they have a Batman with no voice, which is heartbreaking.

[@duvallxavier4368]

They can just...hire a new viice actor

[@davidbeer5015]

Roger Craig Smith did a good job with the times he did it for Arkham.

[@mac1991seth]

I kinda dig Jason O'Mara from the Justice League: War animated movie.

[@Astartes-6969]

I think the Arkham Shadows Devs, Camouflage, should develop the next Batman game or just any DC Game in general. Rocksteady has tarnished their own reputation.

[@CoolGuyJ84]

I don't care what Rocksteady says, I will never accept this game as my head canon. For me (and most likely majority of Arkham fans out there), this game never happened. I do think the devs; well at least the ones at the top, such as Rocksteady founders Sefton Hill & Jaime Walker, deserve to get the blame though? I mean people love to shift the blame towards WB with this matter, but at the end of the day, Hill & Walker both knew what the story of this game was gonna be, given it was done with their supervision. It's just that they jumped ship to form their company so remaining devs are left to take brunt of the blame. Honestly, even if this game had Suicide Squad collaborating with Justice League to fight alt universe villains like Justice Lords, I'm not even sure it would have sold as well, cause I just don't think people care about Suicide Squad all that much. Probably should have just made it a Justice League game instead I think. Well, at least it's put out of its misery now lol.

[@DegenerateJay]

On top, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Studio heads/directors and the people who wrote the narrative. Everyone clocking in to do their job with no input though? I don't think anyone should really blame them, and believe it or not, a lot of people do.

[@mac1991seth]

I think if the Justice League was just MIA and the game put forward obviously bizarro/mutated-clones Justice League as boss fights (you know, just be honest about them being clones from day 1) it would be much more acceptable. You don't even have to change the story that much, just change the dialogue a bit. You know, the Suicide Squad captures clone-Batman and interrogates him about TJL whereabouts, he lies, tells you Brainiac killed them, and in season pass finale you find out they're alive as you accidentally free them. Since bizarro Batman is allowed to lie, he can actually do plot twist part 1: "I am the real Batman" and then finale is plot twist part 2: bizarro Batman was lying.

[@reginaldmcgrady]

Superman has never been written this naive. Yeah, Superman always wants to see the best in everyone, but he's not Stupid. 😆

[@aaronbood1999]

I'd argue that the clones idea was made, when people were pissed that the justice league was dead. I assume originally they were going to keep them dead, just to spit in the fans faces.

[@mac1991seth]

Nah, there were telltale signs. Fake Flash regrowing his fingers, the Latnern ring acting all weird after Fake Lantern died (first it just allowed King Shark to use it, then it slipped away without looking for the next Green Lantern), Supes was immune to kryptonite. It all never made a lot of sense, but the marketing for the game insisted that "You're fighting the Justice League fr fr" so people took it for granted.

[@Handyrandy2233]

Tim drake is still dead,yeah so clones for him he’s just dead

[@jj_grabes]

So is Arkham Wonder Woman

[@KaizerSozaye]

Which brings me to my next point if Brainiac can clone metahumans like flash and a green lantern ring and a freaking Kryptonian then why not make an Army of them???

[@Ryx1990]

Dear God let this be the end of sweet baby inc. I am baffled by there choices! They literally crank the woke nob on this game to 11!

[@lordcheesus1013]

Even Wonder Woman's "death" doesn't have to be permanent. Sure, their universe's version of her is dead, but with the multi-verse now open to them as a deus ex machina, couldn't they just find a version of her who lost everything but survived and bring her to their Arkham World as a replacement? Not that it matters. I, like Jay, knew all along there wasn't a snowballs chance they'd let the JLA's death in it's entirety last. They knew they couldn't stand the backlash so of course they'd be forced to backpedal. Why do you think most of the management in charge of the early game production fled long before? Thankfully, this game isn't even real in my eyes. Just another "what not to do" model for a gaming IP. That's all. It's not cannon, it doesn't exist. I'm still waiting on a TRUE Arkham Knight sequel, thank you very much. And I'd like some Arkham pre/sequel games that fill in some timeline gaps between Origins and Asylum. This last, sad "nail in the coffin" for KTJL just confirmed that this game really was a lame joke from the Woke crowd. Another loss in their column.

[@michaelwayman9600]

Sadly it will still not be the same Wonder Woman from that earth that was familiar with that earths green lantern, Superman, Flash, Batman. Just cause another Wonder Woman exists doesn’t take away the history that Wonder Woman had with that league. Vice versa it’ll be a whole new league to even Wonder Woman and the Diana that was killed is permanent.

[@therealtt]

All the people that were defending this games saying "Their clones they aren't really dead" are kinda dumb because it doesn't even matter. They "killed the Justice League" in the most shocking and disrespectful ways possible and pissed people off, but they don't even commit to it in the end. So the game was pointless essentially.

[@michaelcurtin524]

Most of the blame goes to Sweet Baby Inc

[@zaneheaston8254]

And nothing of value was lost

[@realbluestar2846]

The fact that the ending is not even made on engine says it all 😂😂

[@hordakprime6172]

I hope they go in a Batman Beyond direction and we get a Jokerized Tim in a later game.

[@JaniacTheHedgehog]

What makes me sad is that even though Batman is alive, the Arkham batman is essentially still gone, because without Kevin Conroy, it's just not gonna be the same, and the fact Kevin's last lines in the Arkhamverse was getting shot in the head (I know they didn't intend for that, just saying they really shouldn't have made this story in the first place, this was just a bullet to the foot with what happened). Since we never got to hear Kevin voice Batman's return, the Batman we know and love died on the bench and he's never coming back.

[@mac1991seth]

This is sort of the conundrum of a modern day developer within a renowned IP or a whole beloved franchise. You put out a trailer for your game and you tell people "In this game you will kill the Justice League". Naturally, people will start speculating, people will look back at the common comic book tropes and start guessing: you're fighting clones, you're fighting otherworld variants, you're not really killing the heroes. Whoever wrote the story will be angry that people figured it out way ahead of schedule, the studio will feel obligated to start lying and they will come out and say "No, this is the real deal, you're killing THE Justice League". This is how they fumbled the Arkham Knight plot twist and they fumbled the Suicide Squad plot twist. But what else could they do? If the fan theory spoils not even the game, but a whole season pass, how do you deal with that? Do you lie or do you come clean, do you keep quiet? And to all those @#$%!^@$% who said "Why you hatin', it's in the title? It's called KTJL, what did you think you was gonna do?": egg on your face. The title is a LIE and y'all were wrong.

[@danielcastaneda4975]

11:15 emm no ?? Dude they are the DEVELOPERS . They are responsible and they decided to do all the things we saw

[@adorkableidiot7544]

To DefenerateJay I really didn't like the excuse Rocksteady and WB executives had did to the Arkham community by making inconsistencies to the lore of multiverse to live service approach, making Harley Quinn a live action (Margot Robbie) rip off and changing Deadshot into a worst swap by turning him into Will Smith. Adding more problems is the Justice League characters having bad mistreatment just because the live action films didn't do well. It's bad enough that WB executives did not establish character arcs and films and Tv series, they had to go out of their way to disrespect their own properties just like treating Superman as a dumb brute. I feel bad because the Arkham games means so much to me even when Kevin Conroy pass away. Nowadays…I only play the Arkham games and ignoring Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League. I just wish someone removes the executives responsible for causing this mess and hire actual people respecting the source materials without any interference.

[@mangafurie7698]

I consider this game not a canon to Arkham, and I’m glad it’s over. We can finally move on

[@Avalon64]

I had a hunch they were gonna pull this trick...kill the heroes for the as you said it shock value...but then expected people to actually stick around, buy ALL the season pass stuff play more of the exact same game using DLC characters that all again play exactly the same only to get to the end and learn...ta dah see none of your heroes are dead! Now you can stop being mad at us...this entire game was a mastercraft on what NOT to do game mechanic wise (another hero shooter in the sea of hero shooters) and writing wise (killing off favourite heroes, expecting the player to STILL stick around after doing so and only then can they learn everything got taken back)

[@suttondeath7330]

When the teaser dropped I knew for a fact that it was not a good idea and that it was gonna flop. And it was so disheartening seeing so many fans being excited for it because the idea for the game really just makes no sense.

[@damagedskvll]

This game should be scrubbed from the Canon, and make a game where batman comes out of retirement and goes to metropolis with the batfamily to save the justice league and the world from brainiac. (Nutshell version of my idea for the next game). As you find justice league members, they are added to characters you can play as.

[@ryanbalkwill6609]

Rest in Peace Rocksteady I haven't played your last game yet, but not the type of game I want.

[@RichwoodCman5]

We survived…We survived 5 nights of suicide squad kill the justice league.ITS FINALLY OVER😭

[@comicfan1324]

8:56 honestly I thought the same thing after playing the story mode. Since they decided to involve the Multiverse in this game, why not just have the evil justice league be from another universe? Heck, I would love it if there was a “choose your own adventure” style narrative, where the boss fights play out where the good and the bad version of a league member fight, and you get to choose in real time who you want to support Do you want to bring kryptonite to the fight between Ultraman and Superman to help the crime syndicate (since kryptonite actually makes Ultraman stronger) or will you bring solar light guns to weekend Ultraman and make Superman stronger?

[@jaxxpool9630]

To answer your question, no I do care that Batman is back. I do not care that the evil Justice League were clones and I do not about any games that takes place after KTJL. No amount of backtracking will fix how dogshit this game already. Batman is already character assassinated by coming out of hiding after Arkham Knight, the Suicide Squad (not to be confused with the Squad from Assault on Arkham who are arguably way better) are awful characters after they done stuff like putting bombs into kids and Wonder Woman, Earth 1 Lex Luthor and Robin are still dead. This game has the worst story I’ve ever seen in fiction and nothing can remedy that. I honestly don’t think this game had any good ideas in paper and the Suicide Squad probably aren’t good enough to even carry their own game. If they really wanted an evil Justice League game, I would’ve done two options. One is a Teen Titans vs Justice League game that isn’t set in the Arkhamverse. It would be about the young heroes facing impossible odds in saving their mentors. Two is make an actual sequel to Arkham Knight, but it’s about Batman emerging from the shadows to save the mind controlled Justice League. It would be called Justice League: Doom and I know it’s not original, but it fits since it’s Batman using contingency plans against the League. Also, either option would have Starro or Despero as the villain. Brainiac doesn’t really work as the mind control guy outside of Lego Batman 3 and that one episode of Superman: TAS. As for the Arkhamverse right now, I would only be excited for a game set between Origins and Asylum involving the Bat Family. Otherwise, they should just leave this universe behind.

[@b1ackspid3r43]

Ok, this seems to be my last chance to say this but I’ve had an idea of what they could’ve done if Rocksteady made a Justice League game, ideas about characters, gameplay, even a bit of story: Background info: Takes place 5 years after Arkham Knight, earlier the JLA reformed to stop a massive threat (which forced Batman back into the light again), the JLA was formed once before but disbanded shortly before Arkham Asylum, the playable League members are the same in SS but there will be references to other JLA members that just aren’t there. Story: My idea for the story is that the Justice League opens the Hall of Justice for the people to celebrate the League returning, but that same day there’s an invasion. The crime syndicate have invaded Earth 1, later after meeting Lex Luthor from Earth 3 we learn they are trying to build a bomb that could destroy an entire planet (I’m taking most of my ideas from JL animated movie). At the end after the League each defeats a member of the Syndicate, Owlman takes the bomb to a different Earth & Batman follows, so the final fight will be Batman vs Owlman. Characters: - Batman: He will have similar gameplay that was in Arkham Knight, free flow combat, predator, etc. the only thing I would change is his traversal, instead of gliding or driving the Batwing, he will have a jetpack that uses his cape for the wings so he can fly, this is so Batman can keep up with the rest of the League - Superman: He will have free flow combat too & his powers (heat vision, super breath, etc.) Superman will obviously fly but I he will have a health bar - Wonder Woman: Very similar to Batman, combat & all that, she will also be able to fly as well - Green Lantern: GL can use his ring for basically all his moves for combat, traversal, & he’s the only character that can generate a shield - Flash: He will be the fastest character but also the only character that can’t fly, so he will use his speed to jump across buildings & large distances Enemies: The bosses of the game will be the Crime Syndicate, each member will mirror a League member, and the goons in the map will each have a power belonging to a random DC character (Black Canary’s scream, Flash’s speed, etc.) that way characters that are usually invincible *cough* Superman *cough* can take damage, and this will be a threat only the Justice League can stop Sorry if it was a bit long, I’ve just had this on my mind for a while now, and the reason I’m making it so the JLA was formed once before is so if this game had been made we could’ve gotten another game where the JLA first forms to stop Starro

[@DiamondBlade11]

Whose idea was it to take characters with superpowers and give them friggin guns instead of having them use said superpowers? And why? It really does baffle me.

[@kaylemain2006]

The ending for the legendary Arkham universe folks.

[@theinfinitynerd4954]

I don't think canon or not really matters here. Any future Batman games would be set in Gotham so the events of Suicide Squad would essentially be just referenced in some throwaway lines from thugs or something

[@R1SE101]

Honestly Jay, I stopped caring for this game when it was announced that the gameplay would be looter shooter based and a live service model. Just goes to show that most games are lazily made and aren't made for people who actually care to have a good story and good gameplay to match. I'm afraid of whatever future this franchise will have going forward.

[@ian7064]

I think this game nuked any enthusiasm folks may have had for future Arkham projects. The ship has sailed

[@vinegar4556]

I still just don't get why they didn't try to make a Suicide Squad story that could at least feel like it comes from the Arkhamverse. The Arkham games have generally flirted with the fantastical, yes, but they always retained a sense of groundedness. A Suicide Squad game about the gang having to infiltrate and destabilise a foreign regime or other actual black ops-style missions with a hint at the more surreal aspects of the world would have felt a lot more in keeping with the series' tone than all the wacky gods and aliens and multiple dimensions nonsense. Even if KTJL's story had been told well (which is wasn't even close to), it still would have just felt like this weird, unpleasant offbrand.

[@Thatguy-uc3dy]

I think it's too late the damage is already done, a lot of people will meet this with apathy, remember that this is basically kevin conroy last performance as the Arkham Batman and the character didn't get to go on high note and when the character returned, it didn't return with his voice, so it's just not going to be the same.

[@richardfranklin6003]

I think they were originally planned to be the real Justice League. Brainiac recovering the bodies and the earlier line about Flash's resurrection doing a number on his nervous system suggests that, and the we went rogue and Waller hates us audio which I think never made it into the game? There is probably a longer story arc in a vault somewhere that has real 3D cutscenes but ends with a cliff hanger and doesn't have you rescue the whole league yet because it was meant to be paired with another year of content that never got made. It seems like for this season, they deliberately created content and recorded audio to wrap up the story as cheaply as possible with the clones confirmation. Not to mention they've probably seen many people hoping for the clones theory to be real online and it is an easy way to not deal with these characters having to carry the guilt of mass murder on their conscience.

[@richardfranklin6003]

I think the reality is, Rocksteady will go straight into a Batman game in the time gap between Arkham Origins, Arkham Shadow and Arkham Asylum. That way several major characters including the Joker are no longer dead, and they can just pick up with the Origins cast. Either that or they will try to remake Arkham Asylum... not sure how I feel about that. But if Rocksteady did make a Justice League game, no doubt they will minimize references to Suicide Squad to one or two lines. And they'll probably just already have a Wonder Woman to go that has joined the team from an Elseworld, with a few throwaway lines about how her original team died and she is adjusting to the new team and vice versa. They cherry pick any characters from the Elseworlds that they want to appear, and they won't necessarily be the variants from Suicide Squad. Heck, they might even start such a game with a Flashpoint like reset.

[@jesussilva9140]

It's not Rocksteady's fault. It's WB's. They did the exact same thing with Shadow of War.

[@brittanyjones2902]

dang, Wonder Woman really got clapped 😂😂😂

[@Ominvus]

Are we sure that their original for this game wasn't Suicide Squad Kills the Justice League?

[@handsome_oaf]

I'm ready for the Arkhamverse to be done. My dream is for the Arkham Asylum remake to secretly end differently and take new sequels in a whole new direction. That is, since that's a thing we're getting anyway. The pros to this would be 1) you can entirely get rid of the final boss and replace it with something else. 2) you can continue "Arkham" without the baggage of the preexisting games. I'd like to just reboot and get away from Arkham and have a new Batman game series that evolves the combat and stuff further, but Arkham is such a brand of its own, I think of it as a good compromise

[@RiverKing-s9e]

Well i don't care about the game I absolutely don't care about the game but i care that at LEAST batman is alive so they can make another batman Arkham game or batman superman game but with the miss they made with sskjl i don't trust them with making another batman Arkham game wither its a sequel to batman Arkham knight to batman Arkham knight or wither its a reboot or a remake of the franchise I really don't trust them with making another batman Arkham game or another superhero game like a superman game i think if they want to make another superhero game or another batman game they're gonna make the worst Arkham game ever just like sskjl

[@firekitten0444]

Considering this is the ending they decided to go with, if they hadn’t essentially drip fed the main story people likely still would have been disappointed in the game but gone ah that’s stupid and then been interested to see the els-worlds which then could have been given in the live service format, but they wanted the shock factor of Killing the Justice League in hopes that’d draw people in to fund the rest of the story

[@firekitten0444]

Plus they really should have gone more out there with the els-worlds and done zombies, vampires, everyone’s a fish person or a robot, even if they didn’t have ideas for new stuff theirs so many different variant universes in the comics already to pull from

[@RedSpectre]

Assault on Arkham is canon. Suicide Squad is “fan” fiction

[@nameistron6622]

Am i dumb or does the cutscene with flash stopping the bullet from batmans gun make no sense now and also with green lantern and flah being none controlled at the start?

[@mijofalco6355]

I mean, technically yes, I do care because I love the arkham series and I want batman to live. The issue is, what's even the point now? Where can they go from here? They could make a new arkham game, but, idk. I guess maybe an arkham game set before batman joins the Justice League. See how he met them and was convinced to join.

[@NECRAZ78]

Rocksteady still did one thing right, the environment and architecture but that isn't enough for them to gain our trust again.

[@WrestlingGod-f4v]

Batman does fake his death a lot so I don’t think this is like a problem or anything it’s just that fan bases they get all upset before stuff gets any reason why it happened and I understand. I just glad that it’s canon and that he didn’t actually die.

[@Andy-kg1wk]

This game is a joke - revealing that the Justice League is still alive in a motion comic rather than a cutscene is just the cherry on top for how little this studio cared about their own characters

[@ZER000BLACKHAWK]

I'm honestly taken aback by how awful this ending is. The ending slideshow didn't even fully fix the universe. The bat family and Wonder woman died in this shit storm of garbage

[@phelix_3816]

I’m not SSKJL fan, I’m an Arkham fan

[@awyehh]

It's insanely depressing to think sucide squad started off with a beautiful ggi trailer that persented a fairly promising game to ending off with a cheap 2D art cutscene, narriated by harley's annoying ass dialog. They really did waste rocksteady's 10 years of work and time, and that's a downright tragedy.

[@badfoody]

time to play this after it goes on a low low sale

[@shadowbyname2802]

So does this mean we'll get the next real installment in the Arkham series from Rocksteady and DC, Batman: Arkham Apology? Certainly hope so

[@and-o1482]

At this point the dumb flashpoint ending that was going around before release would've been preferable; Them being alive doesn't mean much. Batman's Family is possibly still dead, world is in ruins, Wonder Woman is dead, and Arkham Cannon has lost any sense of Groundedness it had along with it feeling disrespected still. Also don't know if he has a Audio tape or something added in this update but I don't think we've heard any of the recordings Kevin did for this game's post game that they said they did.

[@brackincrackin6052]

Even after that I still don’t understand why have Arkham Batman it just makes no sense to me after Arkham knight.

[@StickySp0T]

Am I alone in saying if the enemy variety and writing was far better the game would have lasted much longer? It would have also been far more respected.

[@patflann29]

So the big reveal at the end of Kill the Justice is that you didn’t kill the Justice League?

[@RyanParreno]

Not that important but they confirmed Tim Drake died fighting Bruce's clone, and it's implied Batgirl and the other Robins died too. Probably also Alfred

[@infernobat8325]

no she is not dead yet in the game batman clone said that the ss hacker will be a good addition alongside oracle too

[@RyanParreno]

@@infernobat8325 thanks for correcting me! I'm now wondering if this was a productive use of my time LOL

[@blacksnow1966]

They should do another arkham game since Wayne is alive

[@saturn_wolf]

They may have tried to write themselves out of the corner they originally wrote themselves into... But the damage is still kind of done. Wonder Woman is still dead dead so unless you want to do stupid multiverse stuff again, you can't do anything with her already. You could use Flash, but that would again contribute to the problem of him only ever being pulled out when WB is panicking and needing to hit the reset button. Arkham Knight still had the perfect ending set up for a Batman Beyond-esque followup, and ending for this Batman in general, but they decided to do a "he's dead, wait nevermind he's fine" which is just _dumb_ I just don't understand why WB is so allergic to Batman Beyond. You could get even more games/stories/you know, money out of the torch being passed to the next generation (and not to mention, Arkham Shadow and the rumored Asylum remake prove other studios could pick up the slack) and getting games on other characters, but they just decided for the most nuclear solution possible and tanking any goodwill the studio had

[@RacingSnails64]

It's not even funny to talk about anymore. It's honestly just sad. I hope the employees who were just doing their jobs are doing well.

[@timetovibe2939]

I would say it gives peace of mind to fans that I believe we deserved and I was not to angry with the ending I believe that we should have gotten more closure maybe a 3d animation and not a motion comic

[@wardog-lz7sv]

Finally the nightmare js over

[@BrandonJames2016]

The one good thing this game did was not actually kill off Arkham Batman but that doesn’t make this game any better like glad this game is a failure bc the lack of respect for the previous games show. Wonder Woman died for nothing and I can’t wait for when they announce it’s not canon anymore

[@ohitsthatguy8079]

This is a band aid on a bullet wound

[@ohitsthatguy8079]

Also imo, a JL or Superman game where they just ignore this game would be cool.

[@blacksnow1966]

Wayne is alive but what about the rest of the batfamily ?

[@Liam1991]

Its good to see this game finally ending 🙂

[@simmat6419]

i just finnished the suicide squad game on sunday... ima be honest... it aint that bad. It is just another crappy looter shooter, which are not my type of game i like to play

[@Dylanisa_BasketCase]

No because Arkham Knight is the end lol

[@eliteghost1001]

I dont care about this game arkham knight is the end

[@PunkRockJay]

I couldnt WAIT to get a PS5 to play the new Rocksteady game. Finally got a PS5 over Christmas and have NO desire to play this game. Im hoping Gotham Knights is a sleeper like Arkham Origins was. People ripped it but I enjoyed it. Ill play it when I can pry the console outta my sons room

[@brianwilcox1686]

Now that Superman is alive, how about we actually get a Superman game? I mean it’s been done before look at Superman returns for the Xbox 360 so clearly they can do it. They just choose not to which is really sad because I don’t want Batman games all the time I want flash and like different varieties of superhero games from DC

[@Theottselmaster]

Hopefully, it'll be stripped from canon.

[@sad_cheese67]

better game idea: live service justice league! fuck live service games, but hey, warner bros wants one so i'm just considering that factor. each season could be based on a different villain with a new hero too, it'd have arkham-based gameplay(modified to suit each character accordingly ofc). that'd probably do infinitely better than WB having what was presented as the original arkham batman killed by 4 dumbasses that he could've beaten easily

[@aydensimpson3809]

Honest I think this game could have done better as an Injustice 3. Superman became Brainac in the bad ending so killing already evil versions should be less outrageous. In truth this game wasn't given the budget to be good which makes me sad because I bought this game from the jump expecting it to be great.

[@jesussilva9140]

I'm here because it was at $2 and I said why not. Good game, but live service ruined it.

[@matthewmcghee2004]

Sorry for the length For me, the game didn't disrespect Batman, or Kevin Conroy, it disrespects the Batman Arkham fans who loves the character(s). I truly believe that there can be another good live service superhero game (outside of Marvel Rivals). It just needs a good studio that worked with live service games before and good communication/marketing. I do like the gameplay (traversal and gun handling) but there was no mission variety at all. I do like the Performances, with Lawless being an exception. I do like the graphics but it is a little worse than Arkham Knight. I do like that the Justice League is back but its weird to me that Wonder Woman is not back. I would have thought that they would have brought her back. (She still can as she was made from clay). Bad characterization: I believe that Batman still went to the Brianiac ship as he knew he would get outvoted by other JL members. He wanted to meet the Brianiac in person. Superman sees the good in people. Always. That is why he's so trusting. He sees the bright side of everything. Would also be weird to the public if the JL didn't go to the ship. "Who and what is that in the sky?" type thing. For future games after this one: Batman Beyond game, a proper JL game, more prequel games (none of these being live service) I do think that the game has its problems though (the lack of content, mission variety, in game store cosmetics). the story is mid. Final game score: 5 or 6 out of 10.

[@glennparker7028]

At least you all got what you wanted: The end Of The Suicide Squad game!!! At least you guys can stop complaining about it now!!!