The ASRock TRX50 WS Motherboard: HEDT Connectivity For Days!

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[@carbongrip2108]

You overlooked the coolest feature of this board... the PCIe layout is spaced in a manner that you can install 2 - 2 slot blower GPUs and still have access to all your PCIe slots. Plus the single slot between your 2 GPUs allows better air intake into the blower.

[@keylanoslokj1806]

This should be a feature today on even 200$ boards. That's why mobo industry is a scam

[@owlmostdead9492]

Threadripper has become “We have epyc at home” as opposed to Zen on roids.

[@rdiznfriends]

wendell youre looking quite healthy. love the enthusiasm as always, ur the best

[@opshlds]

I love geeking out to Wendell's vids. Appreciate you folks at Level1Techs!

[@ericthedesigner]

I've never seen you so excited! Just as excited as me. Been 12 years since I've had a WS motherboard. Really looking forward to the upgrade from ryzen 9 and actually have some pcie lanes.

[@dualbeardedtech]

Grants drawings are getting so good! Keep up the great work lil' guy! 😂

[@Beansimus]

Thanks for the info Wendell. Appreciate the work

[@FrenziedManbeast]

AFK taking out a home equity loan for my next PC machine. 😂🤣

[@hotstovejer]

Same, fam. I think I've priced out the parts and new monitors and it's around 10k...

[@Nec89]

More cores equals more whor... oh wait, no. That isn't right because I spent all my money on TRX50 and a 7980X for my home lab and now I'm divorced and too broke to afford them 😢

[@wryd4sound]

That is financial mismanagement, i would have simply sold a lung

[@oscarcharliezulu]

The hard decisions had to be made.

[@hugevibez]

I wish either ASRock Rack or Gigabyte's server department would give TRX50 a shot, that would be the golden ticket in terms of connectivity (and a bmc would be nice too). As it stands I've been looking at these and I guess this is the one? Dealing with the slot config and big GPUs seems to be the main concern but at least I could deal with it since it does have the slots and extra chipset PCIe. Still unsure wether getting all this is going to be completely worth it, but I'm happy we finnaly got some lanes.

[@sgredsch]

its another net price increase. you pay threadripper 5000 pro money for even more cut down HEDT version. just another amd milking session. and it shows, aibs dont even bother releasing boards. x399 and trx40 had at least 3 boards per AIB, now we have 3 boards in total of which not one is in stock. id say dont buy it, amd will drop hedt threadripper in a few months like amd dropped threadripper multiple times already. expecting something else with that track record is pure insanity.

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@sgredsch I don't see a point to this board when the WRX90 boards are just better, even though the cpu cost more. What do I lose on the WRX90 boards compared to the TRX50?

[@sgredsch]

@@kevinerbs2778 you lose nothing, overall better product, but more expensive. you can only use pro CPUs in it and boards come even even later to diy. wont be available until q1 or q2 2024

[@YtterbiumUK]

My WRX80 board seems to be made by ASRock Rack, the IPMI even says Rack, I imagine that the WRX90 board might be made by Rack, as other said I don't see how they will be that different

[@movax20h]

​@@sgredschI don't really care if they drop support. I update once every 5 years. So I buy what is available now, and in 5 years, it will be complete new systems, so board or memory is not even usable anyway. (in 5 years we will have ddr6, pci6, new storage options, new usb, new power requirements, etc). I am on te 2950x atm, an can upgrade a little while staying on same mobo and ram, but I don't see a point. Going in for tr 7970x, and existing system will be sold or repurposed for other tasks.

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

I've found a case cheat code way back when I bought a cooler master cosmos. A larger case makes for less headaches - you can easily fit just about anything, the build looks cleaner, and airflow is reasonably good. The only downsides are that a big case is, well, big, and in the case of cosmos specifically - extremely heavy (which has its own benefits).

[@paulomarf628]

Great to see Asrock doing such good boards for the professional market. I remember the days they were just known by overclockers...

[@movax20h]

Nice review. Thanks for pointing out all options, bios settings, Linux compatibility. I think slot placement is optimal. Wish there was more mcio ports, but that would do. Question. So u.2 and miniSAS are basically dead connectors? What about oculink? Also do you think we will see 64GB and 96GB modules with 6400MT/s speeds? I saw hyniz mention they offer 6000MT/s in preproduction, and 6400MT/s in design, but couldn't find anything. Also it is generally super hard to find 64GB models with Expo and ecc, and above jedac minimums.

[@nal_er]

Would be nice to see a more in-depth explanation of how you set up the bios on this board (and other boards you review) for different configurations; particularly with memory speeds vs how many dims and pcie lane speeds vs how many slots used. Thank you! (Blender. C4D & After Effects user)

[@TheDataWorkshop]

I have two RTX 4090s, the one shot of a 4080 on this board made it look really tight, can I reliably hold two 4090s with a threadripper 7980 on this board? Or will that require a lot of intentional and reasoned design? I'm building a system for both high end simulation and machine learning applications, as well as rendering jobs I'm doing for fun/practice.

[@jackdoan6459]

Have you heard anything about when Newegg or Microcenter might actually have this board in stock?

[@Level1Techs]

they are juuuust getting to mc, next week generally I bet.

[@JBrinx18]

It's not HEDT if it's too expensive for 99% of desktop users. It's workstation, regardless of mb designation

[@nadtz]

This board not that much more expensive than the top of the line consumer desktop boards (at MSRP). I'd argue HEDT isn't meant for most desktop users and while expensive is pretty feature packed for the price, especially compared to the Asus and Gigabyte boards. That said I do wish it was a little less expensive but given the lack of PCIE on modern consumer stuff I'll probably be building one of these when I get around to upgrading my workstation next year.

[@morosis82]

HEDT has always been too expensive for 99% of users. 9980xe was $2k for 18 cores 5 years ago. I fail to see how $500 less than that for a waaaaay faster 24 core CPU with a ton more memory bandwidth and connectivity is too expensive.

[@SrChalice]

Consumer desktop boards are pure garbage and a rip off. That's what pushed me to HEDT. If I'm to pay that much for motherboard, might as well get resources (lanes). Only an idiot pay that much for 24 lanes, haha. Gamers are surely dumb as hell.

[@antonicholernik1747]

HEDT is a desktop in that sense that it's not rack format. It could come at any cost.

[@baldknobby]

Where'd you get that? I've had one on pre-order at NewEgg for over 3 weeks now.... When will they start shipping these in USA?

[@legion3343]

Think he said in the other video asrock sent it to him

[@seanpalmer8472]

"Artist's Rendition" lol, love it

[@salmiakki5638]

Will you get your hands on any WRX90 (& threadripper pro) in the near future?

[@hackjealousy]

Yeah, when are these coming out?

[@sylvainlapierre102]

Newegg GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D sTR5 AMD TRX50 EATX Motherboard - DDR5, PCIe 5.0 M.2, PCIe 5.0, USB4 Type-C, Wi-Fi 7, Marvell 10GbE for 590 $ Is the difference of price justified by what you got in the Asrock Trx50 WS ?? Normally i prefered Asrock motherboard over Gigabyte one. May be an others Gigabyte motherboard review in the bucket list ? ;-) Thanks for yours videosssss

[@lemmonsinmyeyes]

There are USB4 AIC?? Where?? I’d really like to see that for theeadripper

[@charleskrueger5523]

Does it have a ThunderBolt header? If so, I’d like to see you test that.

[@ProjectPhysX]

It is beyond me how ASRock messed up the spacing of the PCIe slots so bad that you can't plug in 4x 2-slot GPUs.

[@andrewr7820]

Only so much real estate on eATX board IMO.

[@movax20h]

But you can put 2x 3-slot GPUs, and still have two more slots to use. I think spacing is good. I cannot think of any better spacing honestly.

[@ProjectPhysX]

@@movax20h if they moved the second slot from the bottom, they could support both 3x 3-slot or 4x 2-slot. Or if they provided 7 slots. But the 20ct per additional slot would probably eat into profit margins.

[@abdulsadiq8873]

cant wait to sleep to a buildzoid video of the motherboard breakdown....lol

[@hwy9nightkid]

itd be fun to watch Wendel load this thing up with a single 4090 .. and 1 TB of RAM or whatever.. and load the Hugging Face Leaderboard LLMs to try to see how they perform

[@dikbozo]

18+3+3 power delivery. we're going to put that to the test. OMG, Wendell never under delivers. I hope the power company is ready. 10K for RAM? WHOOOOOOOOOP! Just ouside my price range, for the next 10 years at least, cumulatively.

[@spg3331]

nice video but whats the test bench? i really really need something like that myself

[@revoconner]

How is the kioxia cm7 4TB compared to the T700 4TB?

[@seanbrannon158]

Four motherboard fanssssssssssss. You buy the whole board but you only need the V. R. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

[@garrettkajmowicz]

This is a very nice board. And the overall platform cost is just too high to justify.

[@chadmcdonald8299]

Question for you? Could you please link me to that style of open chassis that you are using?

[@TripleMachine]

Can you please explain what you mean about the Megaraid cards? They need backplanes for nvme drives?

[@twitchbook-1]

The wifi anthena came with any scale of bandwidth transmission amplitude!?

[@Richardus33]

Wendel is facking cool dude.

[@awetisimgaming7473]

I feel like people really dogged on liquid cooling m.2 drives, but I'm beginning to think they were onto something

[@SuperMari026]

Doing more research into servers for ML calcs and development but the difference between epyc, threadripper and pro is a bit confusing me. Does anyone have a good resource to help me figure this out? I am watching all L1T vids about this as we speak 😅

[@dominusbelial]

Can you do some stable diffusion tests

[@Ptrmrkks]

What woukd happen if i used the dual system psu from phanteks and plugged in all the connectors ... would that be safe?

[@cracklingice]

Would anyone please explain why 4 NUMA offers lower latency if the IOD has all 4 of the memory channels? Is it simply a matter of more capacity lowers latency like with cache? Perhaps this 4 NUMA node thing is why there is no 12 and 16 core Threadripper with 4 being the minimum number of CCDs possible - also explaining why the 12C Threadripper Pro is only $100 cheaper than the 24C Threadripper non pro.

[@kevinerbs2778]

there are 12 core Threadripper's they are WX models only. 7945wx is a 12 core threadripper

[@cracklingice]

@@kevinerbs2778 Point 1 - it's just $100 cheaper than the 24 core Threadripper non pro. Point 2 - it could use four tri or quad core CCDs to get to the 12 and 16 core and that is why it costs nearly the same as a 24 core Threadripper non pro.

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@cracklingice you forgot the 128 pci-express 5.0 lanes from the I/O die & Octo channel ram for the 7945wx. The 7960x you speak of only has 48 pci-express 5.0 lanes, while the rest are all 4.0 lanes, & only Quad channel ram.

[@cracklingice]

@@kevinerbs2778 I haven't forgotten that. But they both have the same IOD so they're not really more expensive to make. Though as I said, it probably uses four CCDs.

[@andrewr7820]

"Only" he says. I went to my TRX40/3960X configuration so I could move beyond the 24-lane limit on B550/X570. Now I have 3x PCIe x16 slots for dGPU and 2x ASUS Hyper M.2 cards. SSD RAID is sooooo sweet.

[@NJRoadfan]

All that connectivity and not a single Thund.... eh USB4 port to be seen.

[@yogugl]

No right angle connectors at the bottom? Really? Is this considered too expensive for the non pro plattform?!?!

[@movax20h]

The price would be the same. Cents.

[@XxSpYxX]

I didn't know they use SP6 sockets. Does this mean you can use EPYC 8004 on these mainboards?

[@movax20h]

You cannot. Chipset and bios does not support it. I didn't see AMD manuals, but some sources say the sockets is the same , but pinout is different (i.e. more pins for power and ground), so you could fry EPYC on these boards. But that is speculation at the moment.

[@tek_soup]

yep, that's a Cool Tool. 😀😀

[@dfgdfg_]

Enough asrock adverts

[@SolaAesir]

For a HEDT with a massive GPU like this, you should be running a custom water loop anyway, which should get rid of most of those issues with the GPU overheating the drive and other motherboard components. We're just dumping too much power into the case now between CPU and GPU TDPs, combined with the heat generated by modern memory and SSDs, for you to get enough airflow through all of the components with standard air coolers. Just between the physical size of the GPU and air cooler you have on there, it's hard for air to move around the rest of the components within the case without being blocked. It's time to upgrade your cooling solution with the modern generation that's coming out.

[@spiralout112]

Now if I could get m.2 to mcio to 8x sata... That would be real nice.

[@DavidCNavas]

idle power use on this board?

[@offspringfan89]

Yes.

[@SirReal14]

IOMMU groups?

[@alt5494]

Are the vrm fans 50mm?

[@andrewr7820]

For some of the OP's, to paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "It's the PCIe lanes, stupid". Getting beyond 24 PCIe lanes is the only draw for me here. I've been very happy with my TRX40/3960X combo. Only wish it had 10GbE on the board...

[@GlobalWahrman]

I am pretty sure, not totally sure, but pretty sure, that it was a campaign strategist for Bill Clinton that said "It's the economy, stupid" and that became the unofficial slogan at Clinton HQ. I think it was James Carville in the 92 campaign. I wish Asrock would produce these damn boards so we could all move on.

[@andrewr7820]

​@GlobalWahrman Ronald Reagan during a debate, I believe.

[@Kylian381]

Not really HEDT IMO. a price tag of 5K is way above it.

[@maximilianocarrillo7592]

Look if you really want better signal, a tinfoil hat that im selling called the Winfoil®™© hat attaches to your phone via headphone jack and connects to satellites globally. -WARNING: side effects may include the smell of burnt hair and possibly being struck by lightning. Also comes in beautiful "2nd place" silver coloring

[@ОнуфрийНечепуренко]

I want his keyboаrd 🤤

[@christopherjackson2157]

How freebsd support

[@movax20h]

It should work for most parts . But WiFi , ethernet and sound will probably not work at the moment.

[@amirishere]

And it's made in Vietnam. Noice.

[@HontasFarmer80]

Show us Qubes OS on this platform.

[@andrewr7820]

Qubes absolutely hates Nvidia cards (ask me how I know). I don't understand why the project won't expand their "supported platform" focus beyond a *very* limited set of ageing laptops with open BIOS. "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Don't they think there is interest on the part of desktop users in their security model?

[@dieselphiend]

Bank Ripper.

[@ChrisM541]

Once again, we have a 'big name tech channel' being told by AMD "Do not EVER compare TRX50 motherboards with TRX40". Want a shocking eye opener? compare every non-pro TRX50 previewed (of course, you can't buy any!) with the greatly extended feature sets of TRX40, in particular, asking yourself "Where are the Zenith II / Aourus Extremes etc etc??". For your answer, ask MSI - they pulled out of supporting TRX50, primarily because of how AMD treated every customer and motherboard maker of TRX40... AMD themselves said that "non-pro TRX50 is a welcome return for the desktop HEDT enthusiast". That is, exactly 4 years ago, after they publicly baited potential buyers with "long term support promises" for their then new TR system, TRX40, and then proceeded to lie to every TRX40 purchaser by breaking those promises in immediately EOLing it. No more expected CPU's. AMD literally killed their own non pro HEDT userbase! So, what about TRX50? Well, in truth, TRX50 is a shocking, feature-depleted embarrassing shell of what TRX40 was and stood for, a shell that not even The Braindead enthusiast would purchase.

[@thewarriorpainter9159]

Eh, these TRX boards are very disappointing to me. Where are all the true enthusiasts boards, where is the Asus Zenith II/III extreme? None of these boards really do what I want them to do, not enough dims, no D.2 NVMe, not enough slots for NVMes, the PCIe slot layouts are odd and I know it doesn’t matter that much but these boards are ugly, when you are paying $1k+ for a board, it should look nice!

[@rudypieplenbosch6752]

Why not buy a Genoa workstation board, plenty of MCIO ports, plenty of memory slots, more PCIe ×16, IPMI, more processor choices, why buy threadripper,,ok your motherboard looks like a consumer board only rgb is missing 😅. Your bios will get updates etc etc TyanS8050GM4NE is all you need.

[@movax20h]

Threadripper has way higher base and boost clocks than EPYC and has higher power budget if I am not mistaken, higher DDR5 speeds, plus has some builit in usb controllers. and if you look for comparable products epyc is more expensive.

[@rudypieplenbosch6752]

@@movax20h Epyc Officially goes to ddr5 4800, but higher will work, like with Threadripper. Genoa has more memory bandwidth, more PcIE lanes, and you get much better support from the server manufacturers with bios updates and you have a socket with much more choices, ok the usb you can fix with some add-in cards. I really don't see a reason to buy threadripper if its only 10% more expensive. AMD left threadripper owners hung out to dry before, with Genoa it won't happen

[@cracklingice]

TRX50 is Lite Workstation, not HEDT. Too expensive to be HEDT. Too much server features to be HEDT. HEDT should as the name says, use desktop memory; not server memory.

[@kevinerbs2778]

Why? The Ram is still overclockable that's all that matters.

[@cracklingice]

@@kevinerbs2778Wrong. Consumer memory is widely available and cheaper. Registered memory is niche and quite expensive.

[@oddmofo]

I think it's time for an explanation on the relationship between L1 and ASRock. Almost all consumer motherboards and GPUs featured on the channel are from them. I found it weird when you downplayed ray tracing with one of the new AMD GPUs (IIRC 7700XT), then I scrolled through the channel and surprise, almost all the GPUs featured are from ASRock. The same with the motherboards. This is more than a coincidence at this point.

[@Nicker000]

samething when following Will Prowse on youtube, channels can create their own narrative and storyline centric to a couple retailers.

[@anthonyguerrero4612]

It could just be they're the company most willing to work with level1techs and send them products to cover over any other. MSI & ASUS are well know for strong-arming creators into leaving positive reviews. Not the companies Wendell would probably want to work with if they're dictating what he says.

[@lahma69]

While perhaps they might feature a lot of ASRock products, I don't think I would call it disproportionate over the lifetime of the channel. Regardless, there could be any number of reasons why this may be the case. Implying that there is some type of hidden agenda or inappropriate partnership is quite frankly kind of ridiculous... Especially when Wendell is one of the most respected and trustworthy individuals amongst tech-related KZbin channels.

[@oddmofo]

@@anthonyguerrero4612 ASRock is famous for blacklisting reviewers for giving them one bad review. See HUB and GN. L1 has never been in that position because they only cover the premium parts form ASRock, not the entry level, where is full of low quality products. And when they cover them they don't compare it to their entry level counterparts or the competition. Even so far as saying that, and I'm paraphrasing, "ray tracing is not really a thing yet" in one of ther ASRock GPU reviews. You can have the opinion that ray tracing is not important for your personally, but you can't dismiss a whole feature of the competition because the part that you're reviewing is not competitive in that thing.

[@websparrow]

Buying a threadripper like this and using an air cooler instead of at least an AIO, is illogical

[@marktackman2886]

I'd love to see iperf porn shots with this thing. Set up the rig to blast out bursts of traffic and make a dramatization recreation of your previous 100g video.

[@movax20h]

You can saturate 100gbps on way smaller machines.

[@marktackman2886]

@@movax20h let's go bigger!

[@LabiaLicker]

Looks nice. Having good motherboards is really going to make or break getting a 7960x personally.