The Atmosphere of Heaven - Bill Johnson (most subtitled / CC)

[@nicholasgyimah2098]

Amen and Amen. God richly bless you Ps. Bill. Am really bless. I believe, I received and declare it in Jesus name Amen.

[@OlivusOrchards]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZSrnmRurLp0fbc American Gospel - Yes Johnson and others are changing culture but not as appears on the surface.

[@greglongmore6503]

As always, wayyy more powerful/impactful than I anticipated and it all goes straight to THE LORD. Absolutely in season for me right now.

[@maxinemakena]

Beautiful teaching. Bill Johnson carries such an anointing for teaching us God's Word, it is is pure joy! Blessed!

[@giodemarcus2575]

So thankful for this teaching. Great men of God are being sent to bring freedom from traditions that have bound us. Let Freedom Ring!

[@angelinesithole6536]

Amazing how old this message is, but it is my Word in season right now in South Africa, God thank you for Bill Johnson...may You continue to increase him in Jesus s name!

[@ahneebroman]

Thank you Bill Johnson for being so obedient to the Word of God and being His voice for all of us to hear. I watch iBethel all the time, I love your worship team and all of your associate pastors. My mom and sister moved to Redding 5 years ago to attend Bethel, my mom went to your school of Ministry and is thinking of going to 2nd. I have your books and teachings on CD. So with all this being said, I appreciate thee annointing that God has placed on you. It is HIM, The LIVING GOD that teaches me how to live, think, act and ON AND ON, through you. THANK YOU!

[@righteousification]

its great that you recognize this

[@buddhaboy6017]

Ahnee Broman i Guess u believe in the easter bunny too

[@charlesmangum3108]

@@buddhaboy6017 : If you believe that, you must believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause.

[@Welovetohunt123]

I have never heard how P. Bill describes the heart of God or perspective of God this way... I am overwhelmed by such wisdom and Grace. I want to know God more... I need that thorough repentance he talked about to get the right perspective. Wow!!!

[@tracezachdaniels4264]

ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS.....I have learned..... .....I used to ''pray''' to ''god''' for this or that and just babble on not really knowing WHAT I truly needed.....then ...ONE DAY.......IN A MOMENT of clarity I was over come by what we call the spirit ....and it said....why oh why do you seek me outside of your '''self'' ?.....I said well that is all I know to do..........it said....have you not read..'''the kingdom of god IS within you''....or....."" I know all you will ask before you ask it''.?......I said yes...i have but i have hard time comprehending this......it said well let me ask YOU.....do you think for a moment that YOU are seperate from what created you..?...I said well...hmmm...NO I suppose not ...... that WOULD be totally illogical...........it said....do not you think all creation IS logical..?....I said wow......hmmm YES.... it said OK.....well now stop asking for things and just focus on ...'''be perfect as your father in heaven IS perfect......and LIVE every moment KNOWING you are surrounded with the presence of ''god'' ...much love [[[[[[[[[Teesus]]]]]]]]]]]

[@barbaraanorris3855]

Great sermon again by Bill Johnson!!

[@OlivusOrchards]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZSrnmRurLp0fbc American Gospel - Yes Johnson and others are changing culture but not as appears on the surface.

[@plholcombe]

Father God, take this city Anderson South Carolina, for Your Glory! Heal the brokenhearted, send Your ministering spirits to minister to those who are heirs of salvation, send laborers into this harvest field of brokenness and bondage in Jesus' Name, Amen!

[@Ilsevanhek]

AMEN!! I have seen and tasted the move of GOD in my life, in me, through me MORE when I just live my life IN HIM every moment of every simple day,than when I purposely go out to minister. GOD is GOD, miracles, signs and wonders is an every moment thing WITH GOD and ALL Glory, Honor and Praise belongs TO HIM ALONE.

[@arthuryehuda7029]

HALLELUYAH! GLORY TO THE KING! AMAZING KINGDOM REVELATION...THANK YOU FOR SHARING!

[@tonymillirons2883]

Its amazing to me, how anyone would have a cross word to say about this man of God. Look at the scripture on earth as it is in heaven, God is wanting us to bring the reality of his world into our world. Before a negative person chimes in on my view of this brother. Keep in mind you don't sit high enough for your opinion to matter.

[@brotherfred2669]

The book "when heaven invades earth" is not scripture do not be followers of men. Read, study, memorize, and meditate on the word of God. If you will do you will be able to discern the spirit of error and separate the doctrines of men and devils from the true doctring of Christ.

[@kuuipojones631]

Tony Millirons please if you are a brother in Jesus Christ our Lord , research God’s word for the truth, Something happened to some of our Christian leaders they some how got off the word of God enough to send souls to hell, our brothers and sisters are in trouble and have been taken captive,join us incoming against the darkness in Jesus Name, and don’t take my word for it search it out and God’s Holyspirit will lead you into all the truth John16;1-15 what did Bill Johnson say about the Word of God,? Basically he was saying The presence of God is more important then the word but that is not correct ! The word and God’s presence go together but not solely the presences? See John 1:1-4 and Bill Johnson is talking about bringing Gods kingdom on earth ! But Jesus told us the opposite see John14:1-3 and just one more thing,I don’t know where the scripture is off hand but it’s in the New Testament and Gods word says The Kingdom of God is within YOU! Ephesians 2:19 now ,you are no more strangers and foreigners,but fellow citizens with the saints and of the household of God, peace to you brother,may God be glorified and Jesus come for his church,amen, okay just one last thing😁 ANYONE who has given their lives to Jesus Christ have within them the HOLYSPIRIT Ephesians 1;13-14you were sealed with that Holyspirit of Promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the purchase possession unto the praise of his glory. This video also was from July 2014 a lot has happened since then and Jesus is at the door and he warned us through his word what was coming ! Be Blessed Brother in Christ.

[@joshuamichael8345]

Faith in God is simple yet hard. It's about truly making Him the 'LORD' of your life. It's about dying to what we want and an accepting of His will. Walking in His Spirit rather than our flesh. Modeled perfectly by Jesus, who would have been able to do nothing unless HE WAS ABOUT DOING HIS FATHER'S WILL. John 5:19

[@nickbarton3191]

I'm glad that he's talking about personal repentance and warning of the real danger of an eternity in hell. This is the core of the good news of the gospel after all. I do get concerned when he talks about cultural repentance. Yes we need it but it's misleading to call it repentance unless we are deliberately resisting God as Christians. IMO it would be better to describe it as "revelation" as God shows us how the Kingdom of God should impact His church and society at large. And how we view His nature and our relationship to Him. Brilliant story about the coffee. I've seen it done at the supermarket.

[@awkb777]

hallelujah Pastor!! annointingto heal cancer received!!

[@OlivusOrchards]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZSrnmRurLp0fbc American Gospel - Yes Johnson and others are changing culture but not as appears on the surface.

[@charlesmangum3108]

Thou hast been faithful over a few things, now I will make you rulers over many. Do not despise the day of small things. Amen, Bill Johnson, you have told us truth.

[@kuuipojones631]

Charles Mangum you mean he,s own thoughts

[@charlesmangum3108]

@@kuuipojones631 : No, I mean, Bill is preaching the Bible.

[@soniahelmy3958]

what a power in this , it help a lot a subtitle pls have this in other session , Issue of haven is very strong

[@Ilsevanhek]

Amen, We all should know that the POWER is IN and FROM the HOLY SPIRIT Within us. I hate when people tells me, you didn’t say in JESUS name Really? Then in WHO”s name are they healed, delivered and raised from the dead? Surely not the devil or me. CHILDREN of GOD, BY What and WHOM GOD makes you to be.... LIKE JESUS!!!

[@kkdoc7864]

Louise van Hek-Saldutti Matthew 7:21-23

[@emmanuelniiayihammon]

17:45 ...every act of obedience actually release his presence, everytime you stop to share your faith with somebody, the holy spirit becomes manifest

[@quintonwashington8496]

BILL JOHNSON, You are an Amazing Man of God!!!!

[@peterlong2666]

Great teaching thanks

[@arthuryehuda7029]

WHOOOHHWW! MY SPIRIT EXPLODED!!!!!

[@shagaiyapeace9555]

Powerful!!!

[@michelhaineault6654]

the mines (and talents) represent the Holy Spirit and we have to produce fruits trough Him not forcely healing or disciples...but fruits.We will not change this wicked world but God change us for to be fruitfull.We are entirely God work.

[@nickbarton3191]

The fruits of the Spirit Galatians 4, come through godly living, peace, joy, love etc. Something like the lights on the dashboard of your car, if a light comes on it's a warning maybe oops, not enough oil in the engine. Similarly, if we get say unreasonably angry and we loose our peace then it's likely that we're doing one of the works of the flesh just mentioned in the previous verse (not an exhaustive list although it says they're obvious) and we should repent to return to godly living. What struck me about the parable of the talents is not that the master was unduly harsh with the servant that did nothing but how he had missed the true nature of the master, that of over spilling blessing and increase and that the servant could have been truly blessed. When my kids were small and I went out, they always wanted to come with me because they knew they'd get a icecream or sweets. Our Father is like this, it's His nature. But just a little farther down in Gal 4 it says let's keep in step with the Spirit, the earthly presence of God after Pentecost and I'll add so that we too can have blessings spilling out onto others around. And the increase of His Kingdom shall know no end.

[@michelhaineault6654]

@@nickbarton3191 but is kingdom is not of this world

[@nickbarton3191]

@@michelhaineault6654 we pray the Lords pray, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. The kingdoms of the earth shall become the Kingdom of God. His Kingdom originates in heaven but will eventually fill the whole earth. God is seeking a people to usher in His Kingdom on earth. It's not a political Kingdom ruled with an iron rod but a Kingdom of righteousness (right doing), and of peace. Remember the statue in the book of Daniel? The stone rolled in, broke the statue (which represents earthly kingdoms and empires) then grew to fill the whole earth. The stone represents the Kingdom of God For my part, I want in.

[@michelhaineault6654]

@@nickbarton3191 you are completely WRONG we presently reign with Christ and we are call THE LITTLE FLOCK (the rest) and what did Jesus say to his apostles before he left ? This= John14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. We know that Jesus is IN HEAVEN NOW and when He will comme back at the END OF THE WORLD (matt.28 2Peter3) we will be taken to = I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. Jesus never say He was going to prepare us a place on earth BECAUSE at the end the world will be destroy by fire.Rev.20:11 1 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.

[@nickbarton3191]

@@michelhaineault6654 you are confusing the destiny of an indiviual with God's overall purpose for His Kingdom in heaven and earth. There will be an end both for us as indivuals but also there'll be a new earth. Until we die, we usher in His Kingdom, after we die yes as you say, we go to a place prepared for us. In this life, we have a purpose both individually and as his people the universal church.

[@ralphsandoval812]

Gen 28 in context... After a dream concerning God's promise to multiply his offspring as many as the dust of the earth. Jacob awakens to say that this place is awsome! and this is the house of God and the gate of heaven. Bill Johnson reads his own message into this text tying it to 1 cor 6:19. Which Paul explains our bodies are a temple of the Holy Spirit belonging to God, in order that we would separate ourselves from sexual immorality. We are NOT called the gate of heaven in Gen 28:10-17

[@jeremiahbrown9321]

Good teaching

[@robertjackson1407]

Thank you 😊

[@charlesmangum3108]

The accusation of "preaching a different gospel" has been used so much that the phrase has become meaningless prattle.

[@misskim2058]

Except some do, like Catholics, Mormons, and JW’s, for example.

[@charlesmangum3108]

@@misskim2058 : You forgot cessationists.

[@misskim2058]

​@@charlesmangum3108 Quite so. They were just a few examples, cessationists are definitely included as well. They are all people who teach an extremely stripped version, padded with their own rituals and doctrines, usally with some heavy paganism (which they vehemently deny, as they turn back to their idols and pagan rituals, as it is with Catholicism- how they can swear up-and-down (btw...”swear no oaths”, here it doesn’t mean “don’t say bad words”, it says swear no oaths, not by heaven, or by earth, and certainly not on the Bible which tells you not to swear oaths in the first place), that they don’t have any idols is beyond any outside observer.... and with Mormonism as well -Their temples do display an angel on top (“make no images of anything in the heavens, or beneath the earth, or the waters beneath the earth…”), and that would definitely include not making images of angels, or angels and demons as the case would be with Catholicism...the Mo’s also have pentagrams (they are the ones that post the pictures before they close them off to the public, and a big old stained glass pentagram was definitely included in one of them, huge, not to mention they are chiseled in stone along with other Freemasonic symbolism on the outside of their main headquarter’s temple, and so on and so forth) and 12 gold or marble oxen in their temples (depending on the temple) where they decided God was too incompetent and so they should do baptisms for dead people “just in case” they want to be a part of their cult. This is great for the numbers on their membership, because they can make all the dead people their members, you know, just in case they want some sort of Luciferian ritual posing as Christianity done on their behalf. This is beyond offensive. Jesus Christ does not ever direct his disciples to do this. They are basically trying to re-create parts of the temple of Solomon, of course, because they don’t seem to realize they were founded by Freemasons, who of course at 33° and above worship Lucifer... I know, because I’ve read some of their handbooks, and they do this while drinking from a human skull, and getting embraced by a skeleton while they repeat the oath that “the cold arms of death can encircle them forever” should they tell their secrets. It also says that they have two parts to this oath. One obviously is to worship Lucifer, and do all that that entails. The other is to “work to destroy and defile the name of Jesus Christ” and to “pour down a steady stream of vilification upon Christianity”. The 33rd degree is. By invitation only. And of course, the ritual is done in Washington DC, because that’s the headquarters of all FM lodges in the US. I’ve had them try to deny it, but I have screenshots of that part of their handbook, and that always shuts them right up. I have the written and illustrated proof. So, many of the most influential people of the world, including world leaders, heads of major corporations, celebrities, people of influence… Many of them are 33°, or OES which is the female equivalent. People can just search for an OES/KJV Bible on eBay and look at what is stamped in gold on the cover. They can pretend to follow the Bible, but it really is just pretending. I have had some try to threaten me for my honesty but they are no match for God, and they know it. My God is an awesome God, and He has had my back (literally, He has had my actual back sometimes), and they can’t defeat Him. Their god is a lying counterfeiter, and they’ll find it isn’t worth whatever they thought they’d gained while here. It is written in their own handbook that they know that one day every knee shall bow to the Lord Jesus Christ, it’s just that in the meantime they’re going to do everything they can to take as many people down with them as possible by conning them. The founders of the Mo’s… His father and grandfather were Freemasons, as was he. When he died, which was in a gun fight where he shot and killed two or three men, the third one they weren’t sure whose bullet took that man out, he had a talisman to draw sex and money in his pocket. He never renounced his Freemasonry. He was also part of other organizations, he tried to join the Methodists, too, while leading his own cult, but they kicked him out, they told him they would either expose him for the fraud that he was, or he could retract his application, so he chose the latter. So, right in the very area where he lived, where his shenanigans first began,, the FM’s had gotten away with murder for drowning one of their own for telling their secrets. They had a “jury of their peers“,2 meaning a bunch of other Freemasons, since one of the first oaths they take is the lie to protect each other, and to cover for each other… Of course they got away with murder. The locals were not stupid, and when a year later, something looking and smelling just like it, but created for the whole family came out from a family of con men and woman, mom included, which is what the Smith family was...they were well known for being con artists in the area, and the locals just weren’t having it. So of course he wasn’t “persecuted for his beliefs”, as they love to say. The area was full of good Christian people that could smell a Luciferian, Freemasonic rat when it was present. God would never tell you to run off with a man’s underage daughter and marry her without parental permission, nor would he tell you to take other people’s wives as your own, happily married people... he had the audacity to tell the people that God told him to take these other men’s wives for his own. His whole family was into Spiritualism, which of course was all the rage at the time, especially in that part of the country, and in that part of the state. They already were doing peep stones in a hat (which he would later claim God told him to do with his magical disappearing gold plates) and water-witching and all kinds of stuff, which can actually be done, because the demonic realm will help you, but they were so bad at it that even the demons weren’t helping them. Joe habitually charge people for things they did not receive in the way of spiritual benefits. The Smith family was known for being lying cheaters. That was bad enough. But then the Freemasons got away with murder, so they were no longer a respected group, so they went underground for a year and come out with all this nonsense, Freemasonry for the whole family, and now they have a lot of good-hearted people totally conned by it. On top of that, they pissed off a lot of freemasons who did not want one created for the whole family it was supposed to be just for men, except for the 0ES which was for ladies, but still had to be overseen and still has to be overseen by a man. ....and nowhere in the Bible does it say that God requires you to wear special underclothing in order to protect you from Satan, as if the hand of God needs any help with that, not to mention He destroyed the temple veil on the day of crucifixion so anyone doing anything with priests or veils are defying God and His decision to end having human priests, Jesus Christ is the only one... nowhere in the new covenant which is what the New Testament is, and outlay of the new agreement with God, does it say anything about establishing priesthood or temples or hailing anybody that is dead because that’s necromancy and so on and so forth ad nauseam). So yes, these are just a few, there are certainly many others as well. One could write many books on it all, but I’m sure others have, however there are a few little notations that I have not heard anyone notice yet, but still, there’s plenty without my additions. It’s all twisted until it’s unrecognizable to the original Gospel.

[@charlesmangum3108]

@@misskim2058 : Many words never impress me. JW and Mormons do not even preach the gospel. Catholics? Many do preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, and many do not. Hmm, that sounds like the Protestants, many preach Jesus, and many preach their traditions. As for Freemasonry, oh well, they are not even Christian.

[@hemi969]

I am so thankful I don't understand a word he says. Praise the Lord!

[@dearthcharles5764]

What God is thinking and how God is thinking....Every person deserves honor? Bill Johnson would make a great politician. He can talk about something like he said (I want to talk to you about something)... He says something about nothing... Where is the use of the Bible?

[@KingArthur5000]

Beware this view " entire cities will turn to the lord", that church of Philadelphia season has passed. This is the season of " one will be taken and one will be left"

[@NewCreationMinistriesNchc]

amen

[@su....]

because bill brought up heaven/hell i feel i must share this. if eternal torment in hell is a reality, for even one soul, then that's really ALL that matters. and ALL we should be preaching about. eternity being eternal and all. ;-) therefore, most of what bill speaks on (which i personally think is quite excellent), is of no real consequence. now... if eternal torment is not on the table because christ jesus has set the table to fulfill god's will for humankind (ie, these scriptures - greateststorytold(dot)com)... well then, bring it on, bill! all ears!

[@freshstart9309]

I love and respect Bill Johnson but have this one issue. You cannot stand at the foot of someone's coffin and assume they didnt get to heaven because they didnt know the Lord. Each time I hear someone say this, I see the thief on the cross. Jesus is love. He is good. REALLY good. It takes seconds, even in death, for someone to reach out to him. And leaving a family believing their loved one is in hell, is cruel, as I was once one of those living in horror, believing my mom was living in eternal horror. But Thank You Jesus, my father was given a vision of my mom in the arms of Jesus and felt the atmosphere of heaven and the love of Jesus so powerfully that he longed to go to heaven right then and their. So no one can make that assumption about where someone went after death.

[@Geno79]

People can't make the final determination where someone is after they die, but you can be sure that they can make an assumption of where they went based on fruit. The thief on the cross is rare case. How many times do you see people repent on their death bed. No much, at least from my perspective. I've watched my Grandfather reject Christ in his last days on earth and I never saw any repentance in his heart up until the point of his death. He is in Hell I believe. And if someone doesn't "know" the Lord, then why would we assume they would be in any other place other than hell? Just food for thought my friend.

[@OlivusOrchards]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZSrnmRurLp0fbc American Gospel - Yes Johnson and others are changing culture but not as appears on the surface.

[@charlesmangum3108]

I agree with Bill Johnson is saying.

[@anamariamorera3507]

es posible en español ? gracias

[@kkdoc7864]

It’s all about the miracle, isn’t it, Bill ? He said “If I could get them out of unbelief, there would come a miracle”. Jesus only did miracles to bring them OUT of unbelief. He said he doesn’t want to draw attention from salvation, BUT.... God honors process? Breezes of His presence? We have to pick up what God’s mood is ? What is He thinking? The church needs to learn a new culture. Of heaven? The presence of the Lord is everything, more than teaching the Word. Obedience releases His presence. Praying “releases anointing” and presence into the atmosphere. If you walk into an atmosphere made by people prophesying you change. What is inside of us we release into the atmosphere. So you change atmosphere because you arethe “gate of heaven”. (Genesis) by the way we think and speak. Atmosphere , if it’s right, opens up heaven to invade earth. This is what he is saying. Sounds good, but the problem is, Bill thinks God’s presence in a place is entirely our doing and our responsibility. Where does it say that human beings should know God’s mood or that we can even FATHOM the mind of God? Or that any of us can direct God to show up producing signs and wonders regardless of what we do If you choose to reach into the supernatural looking for signs and wonders, you’re going to find them, but have absolutely no guarantee they come from the Holy Spirit.

[@phil1234b]

Ted Warren WHERE MY BOY TEDDY AT YO!

[@user-vn2go9yp7d]

3play media is a translating firm.

[@DannaLucia14]

the subtitles are not all correct and that can confuse people.

[@ChasingRiver]

Trying to improve them to be a lot more correct:-)

[@cchao7106]

Great sermon as always.

[@brunom72]

1251

[@veronicasimpson7953]

Who is a Gal what culture are you referring to when i was growing up Gal was a racist statement interesting that vocabulary should not be in the vocabulary as Christians

[@underwaves75]

It should say at the beginning "preaching another gospel"

[@underwaves75]

people of God don not twist His words... just saying.

[@charlesmangum3108]

Mike Scarborough He did not twist God's word. Now, John F MacArthur does.

[@underwaves75]

Is it up to me to untangle every mess Bill has made? We are told to personally study.

[@underwaves75]

let put it like this then "study to show yourself approved, able to rightly divide the word of truth"

[@underwaves75]

look, I just don't feel like going into the whole disaster that is Bethel church right now. I done it so many times. But people love what they love. Itching ears..I'd just encourage you to do your own research.

[@davidcrane7854]

Wow!!! This man is preaching on the upside down on the anointing of Saul. David was the one truly anointed by God. David NEVER TRIED TO KILL SAUL. READ THE STORY IN YOUR OWN BIBLE... THIS IS SOOOOO..... BACKWARDS.... Start reading 1 Samuel 8:1 keep reading and decide for yourself.

[@jaysongonzalez5304]

He said Saul wanted to kill David...

[@shekitten]

David Crane, Jayson is correct----the preacher did say that Saul wanted to kill David, not that David wanted to kill Saul. Don't beat yourself up for a genuine misunderstanding or for getting it backwards. We are all flawed in that way, both when we listen, and when we read.

[@davidcrane7854]

ok.... bill says (saul)"he took off all his clothes because he didnt plan to go anywhere" Really?? Thats the Interpretation?!!What was Sauls given message? That its a blessed thing to be the king of all Israel and how wonderful it is to lay in the street naked as people come by and stare? you dont suppose it was because it was that evil spirit that God had continually put on him after God striped the Holy Spirit from Saul and put it on David because Saul had disobeyed God and let the armies take the spoils instead of slaughtering them as God had commanded. IF you read your OWN BIBLES and pray to the Holy Spirit for wisdom He is good to reveal. please dont read this and get mad. please have open mind and just consider my words and read the whole story. Truth is Truth. Im tired... I cant explain this anymore. Let the Holy Spirit within you.

[@davidcrane7854]

I'm really just looking for truth,goodness,light.... you know... the way...Jesus...

[@davidcrane7854]

The beauty of The Word is its simplicity. This is evident in the common analogies using farming and such so that the common man could easily understand. Never complicated.

[@davidcrane7854]

My point is simply this. The Word is not complicated. Its very simple and designed as such. If we read and pray for understanding we will receive it. This is Gods will. That's really all I have to say about this subjuct. Please brother don't be offended. Just consider my words.

[@ronaller5209]

David Crane Read and pray for understanding what if i do that and I come to a different conclusion than you,

[@expo1706]

Wish he'd get a haircut though.

[@melvinnjoroge5497]

Do away with the words on the screen

[@davidcrane7854]

The point is.... Bill Johnson is making Saul out to be a prophet of the Lord in the story when in actuality the Lord sent an evil spirit on him 1 Samuel 18:9. Step back with open mind and realize how this story is flip flopping good for evil. READ IT IN YOUR BIBLE AND COMPARE WHAT BILL's POINT IS TO WHAT INTENT OF STORY IN SCRIPTURE IS. ITS FALSE

[@drum5ormore]

Bill Johnson is not calling Saul a prophet, but is merely making reference to the story where he DID prophesy. 1 Samuel 19:18-24. Clearly, Mr. Johnson is not telling the story to show what an amazing guy Saul was, but to exemplify the effect an atmosphere dedicated to God can have on a person; even a hateful person. I don’t know if I agree that it was the environment of the prophets that caused Saul to prophesy, but I do know, at least, it wasn’t the “evil spirit from God” of chapter 18; which it seems is what you’re implying. Verse 23 makes it clear it was the “Spirit of God” that came upon Saul. Are we to contextualize this with Saul’s previous experience to say that the Spirit of God here means evil spirit? If so, what about the men Saul sent before coming himself? We have no reason to suggest that these men were previously demonized, and so it makes the most sense to take “Spirit of God” at face value. Plus, I think Samuel would’ve known enough not to allow someone to prophesy before the Lord, if the prophecies we’re coming from demons. Though I’m not entirely convinced by his exegesis, there’s enough to commend his conclusions to make me consider them reasonably. I mean, if God was just trying to protect David, why didn’t he employ this tactic in the middle of the wilderness? There’s obviously something about the situation with the school of the prophets that lended itself to this encounter. And I think Scripture has a lot to say about the power of environment, and there’s something intuitive about it as well. There’s enough here, at least, to refute any idea that Bill Johnson is a false teacher because of his interpretation of this verse.

[@davidcrane7854]

Ethan labadie Thats strange to me that when you read 1 sam 19 verse 9 "and the evil spirit from the Lord was upon Saul" doesnt mean the same thing to you as it does to me. When I read scripture i pray to the Holy Spirit that He would help me to understand.

[@drum5ormore]

David Crane Right. 1 Sam 19:9 refers to an evil spirit from the Lord. You'll notice, however, that I was referring to 1 Samuel 19:18-24.