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[@droidflamingo5478]

He also has a fire chicken

[@JonathanGiovannacci]

Blaziken

[@mreverything7056]

He also has small chickens on the island, that are now alone (very sad)

[@TurtleButter]

Extra-spicy KFC

[@ricecracker1723]

It’s the chicken on the sriracha bottle

[@TailorBlaze]

*Stand User:* Abdul Stand Name: *『Spicy KFC Resurrection』*

[@TheBigE9999]

They didnt even have to really kill him. Just say he's in a coma or the hospital barely clinging to life. And then were waiting till the end of the part wondering "is avdol ok?"

[@apetitan2936]

ETHAN Franco Araki already did that with Kakyoin tho

[@TheBigE9999]

@@apetitan2936 I didn't mean " oh i disappeared midway though the part, but now i'm back for the final battle" I meant for more of either a consolation prize in the ending narration" hey most of your friends might have died, but at least you still have avdol" or alternatively " hey i know this day is already pretty shitty, so might as well tell you now, your other friend died"

[@mmcgee0922]

And maybe make him return in another part (and I don't mean part 7)

[@TheBigE9999]

@@mmcgee0922 i was always kinda pissed more old characters didn't show up in part 6 as allies or enemies. Evil baby would've been a bit older than jolyne. Invisible baby would've been a bit younger. Oingo and boingos return, all with advanced and upgraded stands

[@minatoarisato4742]

@@TheBigE9999 That would be pretty cool idea.

[@Solvernia]

Come on now his stand is a phoenix of course he'd be resurrected

[@tinashechinakidzwa5011]

I believe its pronounced 'flaming chicken man'

[@dedlykuin8539]

"copyright free blaziken"

[@Kromiball]

I think it was Orange Duck Wizard

[@theinterspeciesreviewer7400]

Like the poultry god he is.

[@KvngLeroy1]

His stand is fried chicken

[@shonenbois]

Avdol was a good character to me, he was soo underrated he was basically the straight man/Wise character of the Star Crusaders. I loved his friendship with Polneff, and the Fact that Polneff became more serious and not just the Comedy relief Character. Nice Video Grandline Review.

[@toiletgoblin4424]

“straight man”

[@ibanganimeboys]

Laughs in joseph

[@Ok-eg8dg]

Avdol became more light and humorous- I'm sure we all remember the most hilarious episode where he and Joseph were stuck together

[@shonenbois]

O k Yeah Advol Became like That in order to fit into the group But Polneff showed him that it was okay to be himself. That episode where he died again was annoying but it showed what Kind of man he was.

[@Ok-eg8dg]

@@shonenbois yeah ik. It definitely didnt hit me hard, the first time was so shocking. I had a feeling he was gonna die all along since episode 1, but I didnt expect it to be then, so sudden. I expected Dio to do it. I think replacing Avdols return with Hol Horse woukdve worked much better. Either that or replacing Kakyoins death with Avdol, cz at the beginning he feared Dio but his final moments would be him showing What Dios power really was and overcoming his fear Smthn I kinda hate is when multiole characters in a show escape all kinds of danger which appear Impossible only to die at the end, as if the writer was saving their deaths to when they've fulfilled their uses. However, at the same time I like it cz we spend as much possible time with these characters.

[@Reelyreed]

I actually really like the vanilla ice death, but it was certainly harmed by it being his 2nd death. Just watching someone vanish from existence was so unlike any other death in Jojo so when it happened it was unbelievable that he was dead. It wasn’t until and episode or two later as the fight continued and avdols death truly sunk in

[@omegamalkior1874]

Agree honestly. With how abrupt his revival was, a death following to it even more a abrupt felt weird. Tho on it's own it was more than fine

[@poolturtle5772]

ReelyReed I dislike the Vanilla Ice death for Avdol simply because he died too easily. Would have been better if the three fought, Avdol then died after the first part of the fight, and continue on as normal

[@omegamalkior1874]

Poolturtle thing was that Iggy already had the role to die mid battle. Avdol dying at the mid too would have not had the same effect it did with the fear factor from the start. It might have been cool to see at least some action before he died, but the way it played out wasn't bad to begin with. Just unfortunate that Avdol already went through the dying and also reviving process before, which was weird enough for the most part.

[@poolturtle5772]

OmegaMalkior That Yeah, But Avdol was too important for my taste to have him have died like that. Personally, I would have kept him dead after the Hol Horse fight, to serve as a reminder to Polnareff what happens when he tries to act out on his own

[@TheOjamaYellow]

I like the incidental nature of Avdol’s death as well. There’s something jarring about it that makes it feel more...real?

[@shiddter]

"Avdol is alive!" "Oh we already knew that" I think it was *supposed* to be a slap in the face. Kinda juxtaposing the reader with Polnareff's reaction.

[@jackdwoods2009]

Lol

[@ceoofdinosaurs4276]

At least it was foreshadowed by his stand being a Phoenix

[@Nullrusty]

When Avdol died the first time It was so impactful, then he was brought back in a really lazy which I still kind of enjoyed, but his second death I didn't actually feel like he died I was actually expecting him to pop out any second when I realized he was actually dead I felt nothing

[@arsene2749]

Same omg, like I felt bad but I honestly couldn't feel anything.

[@AngeryCL]

nothing = vanilla ice

[@Davesothoth]

That's what happens when a character is underused and not given enough screentime

[@OExplosion]

I was so conditioned to think that the deaths would be very dramatic that when Avdol actually died I was shocked at how rapid and quick it was. Iggy by contrast (In the same damn episode) got a much more dramatic death so I knew he was done. Seeing both of their ghosts at the end made me pause and say “Wait Avdol is actually dead?!”

[@cfG21]

Nadmh the second time hit hard when he went up to heaven with iggy

[@AlasEtéreas]

I agree. I remember when Avdol was brought back, and Polnareff was all happy and joyful (as was I), and then the other members of the group were like "duh, ofc he was alive. You're such an idiot." I felt so offended lol. Like.. NO! it was not obvious because no one ever mentioned him again after his "death". And poor Pol has been psychologically torturing himself for a long time, adding the guilt of him losing his younger sister too, having suicidal thoughts, letting himself being devored alive because he just couldn't keep living with his guilt anymore 😭 and the group never ever told him that Avdol was alive? Despite them knowing how depressed and guilted Polnareff felt??!! Unacceptable. I was so angry at all of them. You just don't disregard psychological issues, Araki! 😭😭😭🔪🔪🔪

[@tigerlover2103]

OMG SO I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO FELT THIS WAY??? BRUH THE WAY THEY WERE SO DISMISSIVE ABOUT HOW POLNAREFF FELT- JUST LIKE HIM, I WAS ALSO OFFENDED AND HURT, LIKE- BRUH. I was mad at the group because I feel like they weren't really taking Pol seriously when it's like??? HOW ARE YOU NOT GONNA TAKE POL'S FEELINGS SERIOUSLY WHEN HE GENUINELY CARED ABOUT A GROUP MEMBER THAT HE THOUGHT HAD PASSED, NOT TO MENTION HE WAS ALREADY FEELING SUPER GUILTY ABOUT AVDOL'S DEATH :[ LIKE??? GIRL, W H A T .

[@UrsusSuperior44]

I personally thought it was to reinforce the lesson "don't act irresponsible because consequences can he harsh"

[@tigerlover2103]

@@UrsusSuperior44 ohhhhh, I see what you mean. But thinking like that, it sounds kind of like that friend that says "I told you so" after a bad situation, instead of being that friend that moves past that and is there to comfort the friend, even if they were on some clownery, you get me? Because I'm not the friend that says, "I told you so" after something traumatic like that happens, that's why I really felt for Polnareff, because even though he got himself into this mess, I know he would still need someone to be there for him, emotionally, instead of making him feel worse about his actions :0 I hope I'm making sense?

[@UrsusSuperior44]

@@tigerlover2103 Yeah but hiding his not-death is not the same as nagging him day by day about it. I see it more like "let him swallow that hypothetical pill, instead of immediately lifting the weight of his shoulders risking that he won't learn his lessons" That's though love I suppose and it's sometimes good, even necessary

[@UrsusSuperior44]

@@tigerlover2103 Hiding it from Pol for the rest of his life would be a giga dick move, but he got his yearned-for Katharsis and even relatively quickly, AND he learned his quite needed lesson - this group had a mission, obligations towards each other after all and got to have their backs all the time or else it could end in, for example, someone's death

[@ChadBenjamin]

That moment when NewWorldReview dismisses Jonathan Joestar as a boring character, and yet at the same time he likes Muhammad Avdol ... I mean everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but this is a really weird one

[@tracyndiyob162]

jonathan is honestly pretty boring(my second least favorite would be giorno but even he has at least more of a passion with his fighting spirit and does have some moments while jonathan at times i felt was a doormat getting lit on fire with how much shit unnecessarily happened to him.), like yeah i wouldnt say avdol is my favorite of the crusaders(that goes to joseph.:3 i actually like him more than his part 2 incarnation dub & sub.)but he has enough of a presence with what he does in the group(which is why i really hate his death to vanilla ice as he shouldve been kept alive but too injured to fully help out since i feel kakoyin and iggy had deaths that showed the danger of dio better when for avdol i feel that guy kenny-g they shot before hand could've been used or maybe the younger darby leading the group only to be killed to show outside of flesh buds a traitor towards dio is at risk of being killed by his stand since he kinda disappears after getting sent through the wall.)its also why i like in the capcom video game he's given a chance to live a normal life again in his shop(i did always like how its stated lisa lisa introduced joseph and avdol to each other as the last tie to part2 outside of joseph using hamon and pulling the "youre next line is" trick on empress,the stone mask in part 5's novel alongside the coliseum where giorno and diavolo fought being implied to be where kars and the pillar men slept and joseph getting tricked by josuke after feining part of his senility in a manner similar to his meeting with smokey,oh yeah and the poster of smokey himself making a cameo.) and how in eoh he's brought back to help the joestars fight dio(i wouldve changed how early he and iggy were rescued and along with making some of the glory gods allies in some cases i wouldve given more interactions with everyone inside coco jumbo as a hub world-ish area.)

[@sidew8ys]

Avdol isn’t the main character

[@NewWorldReview]

Jonathan Josestar didn't piss into some guy's mouth. That, my friends, is true character depth.

[@tracyndiyob162]

@@NewWorldReview i mean yeah, you'd have to have stelly balls if you made a guy who can nearly recreate everything(and find new ways to anatomically wreck you in the process.) drink your own wiz.(is it weird that even with avdol and polnaraff doing essentially the same thing to the psuedo genie stand with avdol being surprisingly enthusiastic about it as well i find part 5's weirder?)

[@ringkunmori]

@@NewWorldReview Ok Giorno

[@hououinkyouma6219]

MOHAMMED AVDOORUUUU!!????? YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS IIIIIIIII AAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@fatnootz3466]

TSK TSK TSK TSK

[@haidarnazer5435]

HELL 2 U!

[@nav5738]

Go ahead mistur joestur

[@jameszetterman4487]

Your next line is: "But Joseph got revived twice!"

[@mollytheyorkie-poo7514]

But Joseph got revived twice!

[@mollytheyorkie-poo7514]

Nani!?

[@railenherman6482]

Plot armor

[@someguyjohn6599]

The ONLY time I've seen a character death "fake out" work well was "Full Metal Alchemist". Every other series failed horribly. What makes Avdol's situation worse is that he died, just to die again. At least other series would have the character do something outstanding or useful to justify their position.

[@thotslayer3280]

Bruno Buccellati's death

[@aitorcat4702]

I really enjoyed the death of Spoilers for Stein's gate Mayuri The attempts to bring her back had an a strong and traumatic affect on Okabe And the only way to bring her back was to sacrifice everyone's wishes that were granted by the Dmail it allows the secondary characters and Okabe to grow while still having her alive again Her "resurrection" had consequences

[@johnlemon2811]

What about the death of bruno bucciarati

[@thotslayer3280]

Bruno's death was the ultimate fake-out, where he was killed then "Revived" and then died a second time.

[@ethanc.1443]

Okuyasu's 'death' disproves your statement.

[@KingofCrimsonKings]

I like how he actually died because it showed how powerful Vanilla Ice is and how easy it was for him. Plus the part when Polnareff sees both Abdul's and Iggy's souls.

[@seans.383]

I mean, Joseph ‘died’ twice and still continued living after that, but that at least was a story arc apart.

[@dolm-sj8hw]

As Jack Duripper said Avdol is faster than a bullet since he tackled polnareff out the way from hol horse

[@Tmercy82]

I agree with everything you said cause when I first watched sdc I cried my heart out the first time Avdol “died” and when he actually died I didn’t really think he died I was actually thinking he was gonna come back some how and when I saw his soul leave with Iggy it hit me

[@NewWorldReview]

Yep that was pretty much my experience. A bit of a sad and underwhelming end to a grand character.

[@kennethacuna9996]

Never ever do this!!! (touching your face with this Corona virus outbreak)

[@shane7945]

kenneth acuna I read this while rubbing me eye

[@Sakuramoch1__]

Killing Polnareff instead of Avdol against Vanilla Ice would have been way better, because I feel like watching Polnareff die after surviving so many times before would have made a greater impact than Avdol dying. Also, killing Kakyoin wasn't a good idea, because his death seemed almost out of nowhere and has little effect on anyone else.

[@jamesbiggs8397]

I'll be real, the only thing I remember about Post-Resurection Avdol is him helping Joseph fight Magnet chick. Then dying.

[@tigersharkdosinvizimalssha2621]

Honestly, I have a way bigger problem with another crusader, that being Kakyoin. I don't find him interesting at all, because I feel like I din't even got to know him. All he did way stay in the background, and I feel like Araki intended to make him stoic like Jotaro, but it just didn't work , in the case of Jotaro we got to know him well and how he thinks, and he gets in action a lot of times, while kakyoin just appeared, fought Jotaro, fought some 2 guys and disappeared for half of the series in a super unsatisfying way. I guess Araki wanted to give a sense of danger by one of the crusaders being taken down by the first Egyptian God, but choose to trow kakyoin away, when we didn't even got to know his personality, motivations and even how he felt. And the flashback at the Dio fight just made me lose it, it felt like a last minute excuse of a character because Araki forgot to actually make kakyoin a character

[@jamesworsham2192]

Poor Kakyoin suffered hard from the Worf Effect. It's a bummer that he got reduced to a meme because of his supposedly undefeatable attack being so ineffective.

[@beta0librae]

I feel like the story would have taken a very interesting turn if Avdol died in the Hol Horse fight. As you said, Pol and Joseph are the comedic relief and Jotaro and Kakyoin are very serious. With Avdol gone, these sides would have likely crashed and caused rifts between all the crusaders. Maybe it would be through personality differences or how they dealt with the enemies or even disagreements on how to finish off Dio. This might cause them to break up and go their own separate ways and have their own character development independent of each other, which culminates in the ending fight with Dio, where they go back to working together and finish him off.

[@imanowlexterminator]

Frieza's resurrection is probably my favorite in anime off the top of my head

[@kullundee]

I'm loving this JoJo content. You have a very unique and professional insight which is incredibly refreshing to hear. Good work addressing the Avdol shaped elephant in the room.

[@NewWorldReview]

Thanks for the kind words :D

[@guildmasterri5995]

@@NewWorldReview your review video of part 5 and 6 sucks still, you don't know how jojo works, watch videos of other youtubers who explained part 5 and importance of fate well. since you clearly have no clue what fate in jojo is about and how important topic fate is. part 6 is a great part too so stop putting down that much it's literally the most bizzare one which live up to its name.

[@NewWorldReview]

@@guildmasterri5995 You understand that a review is a subjective interpretation of a piece of media, right? I'm free to respond to it in literally any way I want. If those videos were an objective analysis then I'd understand your problem but reviews are a personal response to the stimulus presented. And here's something very important: Just because an idea is well fleshed out, does not necessarily make it interesting. I understand the widespread motif of fate. Does that mean I have to like how it's implemented or reject how I felt in response to a particular part? Absolutely not. That's a review.

[@guildmasterri5995]

@@NewWorldReview I get that thing but you should still do some research before making videos like this, there are a lot scenes which were anime only like narancia death flag wasn't as big, fugo disappeared because of a reason which got covered in interview and purple haze feedback was made after that, I don't have problem with your review but some of your details are wrong like stardust crusaders wasn't long in manga, david production stretched it way too much and made it boring.

[@NewWorldReview]

@@guildmasterri5995 You're still missing the point of a review. My opinion should be based on what I saw and nothing more. I should not need to research or dive into extended media to form a response to how I felt to the original piece. Once again, for a more analysis based discussion then yes, yes I would. However those videos were subjective reviews that do not require such a thing. And as for Stardust Crusaders being long, it was 152 chapters. That is an incredibly long time to tell such a simple story and quite frankly, the fact that it was all able to be condensed into 48 episodes is miraculous and very well paced. It's the actual content of Part 3 that makes it feel dragged out.

[@kuniosaiki]

It seems like I have a slightly different take on Avdol’s death. Sure for a while I was sad, it was surprising that Avdol was out the game so soon, but this being jojo I fully expect he might come back. Same with Stroheim, dude blew up and still cane back. Of course then knowing that Avdol came back once I kind hoped that kakyoin might come back too, and when he didn’t it hurts way more. Idk if it was intentional but damn if it was Araki is a genius.

[@PlumEXE]

Kakyoin and Polnareff are the best in the gang, but then the Jojos and then Avdol and then Dog

[@fawkewe]

Honestly his Hol Horse death was perfect because Hol Horse was just a random villain. He wasn’t like DIO or even Vanilla Ice. He was just … some guy with a gun. And Advol was the most expirenced guy there. It really shows any of these Stand Users can win against the crusaders if there not careful and i wish more Jojo deaths weren’t caused by the main Villian.

[@thepanthar]

everyone:why are you everywhere? me:YES I AM!

[@MaladyKayjo]

The ‘we all knew he was alive’ was actually a experience that shocked me more then the death, like WTF, this dude was feeling massive grief and you never thought to tell them that that his friend was alive, dick move

[@jettc3167]

The Avdol problem: he touched his face. In times like these we can’t show filthy weebs (like me) that it’s good to touch your face! Jesus Avdol.

[@deltius]

for people in the future: this was corona time

[@Kira-pv4xq]

I got spoiled when so I already knew Avdol wasn’t dead when he was shot so I actually felt really sad when he died to Vanilla Ice. I got spoiled watching the second opening early then seeing Avdol there too.

[@snowmon9214]

I think my all time favourite resurrection in Fictional storytelling has to be Jason Todd AKA The Red Hood. Due to the fact that due to his resurrection it was he who had changed as a person and not the other way around. He didn’t go back to his status quo which is the reason resurrections happen in the first place.

[@manolito.7zip]

The best "resurrection" I've seen in any kind of media is Alphonse's at the end of FMAB

[@Reydriel]

ARGH

[@smoshcool12]

Dammit man

[@Ckpnguyen]

Victor Crespo damn that’s just unnecessarily toxic

[@namelessking4146]

Victor Crespo FMAB has been out for years; if you haven’t seen it, that’s your problem.

[@smoshcool12]

Victor Crespo Exactly and it’s on a video that doesn’t even relate to it.

[@jesusmann9683]

The only resurrection I can think of that nailed it was the Team Fortress 2 comics. Seeing scout in heaven fucking around with god and medic telling the devil he has “9 souls” was hilarious and a nice touch

[@TailorBlaze]

*Stand User:* Abdul Stand Name: *『Spicy KFC Resurrection』*

[@ivvaney2703]

Avdol is a really good character, the problem is that it feels like Araki had no idea what to do with him

[@kili8319]

I have a question: What is your opinion regarding the fake death of Bruno Bucharatti?

[@hitlerjusthitlerliterallyh2700]

Thing is that bruno was dead just on a clock, no matter what bruno was not going to survive any longer so I dont call it a fake death

[@agushendra5766]

Bruno's case wasn't fake death, more like "extra times"

[@anthonyrusso3100]

His fake death was shocking and good but his real death was really lacking, I feel like many will disagree but it felt really sudden and unheroic

[@vcsa681]

That wasn't a fake death He only gained a bonus time of 3 days has a living being

[@ethanc.1443]

@@anthonyrusso3100 No it wasn't lacking at all, Bruno made his ultimate selfless sacrifice to give Giorno the arrow, so it was indeed very heroic and powerful

[@doootuz]

No joke, I wasn’t subscribed and I’ve never heard of your channel before. But because of your intro now I am subscribed!

[@NewWorldReview]

WELCOME!!! I appreciate it! :D

[@dylanmiller1140]

I like the resurrection of Avdol because it make the deaths at the end more impactful cause you kept waiting to them to come back but you slowly realized they weren’t going to and then everyone does get a second, or third chance. And that slowly hitting you was powerful.

[@kobisen]

Do you think you could ever make a video on Iggy? He tends not to get much attention as a Crusader but, I still feel like he's a great member

[@ramnophone6650]

I think the one good thing that came with Avdols "resurrection" was the fact that Polnateff had to live through losing him TWICE. The context of this tragedy really amplified the power of Cream introduction, making it one of the most intense scenes in jojo for me.

[@velk2897]

Magician red also can use his flames to speed up your body reaction and actions, he used this to tackle polnareff out of the way of a fucking bullet, which even silver Chariot without Armour can't react and defend against

[@robertdullnig3625]

I thought Avdol's deaths fed more into the post-modern/post-structuralist side of JoJo and was kind of a meta commentary on the resurrection trope. I do think it's weird that almost as soon as Avdol comes back, Kakyoin gets knocked out of the narrative for most of Egypt, as if Araki can only deal with so many Crusaders at a time.

[@yoshikagekira564]

Me and the rest of my family have been watching jojo (my brother and i have already finished) and we just made it to part 3, and my mother points out the fact that the crease between the eyebrows looks like a butt on most of the characters, and I can’t look at Joseph the same any more😂😭

[@syzzrp]

i love ur first channel and this has just made me a bigger fan

[@senpaiyoh]

You should make videos on tropes you hate and love you can make a series out of it and it'll allow you to talk about different animes and manga you enjoy

[@carlcasey3448]

I love Avdol but I waited through all of part 3 to see him use Magicians Red to go wacky cookie crazy wild and it just didn't happen. He could've been busted in most fights with his flames and crossfire hurricane.

[@hajhawa]

I mean magician's red kinda looks like a bird and does fire things so the phoenix connection is something that should be mentioned.

[@Slade1984]

Nah if he didn’t come back we’d be missing some memes.

[@John-yu6to]

I think that the point behind Avdol's actual death was shock value first of all, like "Oh he can't be dead again" but then you slowly realize that he IS dead. Not only that but he was killed by an incredibly powerful stand, Cream. It's also mainly a set up for how dangerous Vanilla Ice is.

[@Crosshill]

i genuinely forgot that avdol died again, i just figured that they'd solve the mystery of vanilla ice's abyss and they'd return and he'd have lost his arms or something but i forgot to care enough to realize that it didnt happen

[@magnuswong6450]

At the very least his resurrection gave us the YES! I Am!

[@DeadpoolAli]

In defense of Buffy, when she is resurrected, the entirety of season 6 has her dealing with the weird sort of PTSD of being ripped out of heaven (and peace). She does rash things like alienate friends and hook up with spike (who unlike angel had no soul and was by contrast still evil). There was so much more narrative follow through with her resurrection.

[@raijinlu2158]

The worst offender of resurrection is supernatural, especially the protagonists die non-stop and you stop believing that death means anything

[@aviatordanz]

Okuyasu from part 4 was done really well. Also, Araki has stated multiple times he had kept The Entire Horse alive because he wasn't sure if he was gonna have him join. He decided against it because his personality was too much like polnerff and the emperor was too close to herophant green. As he said, Hol horde three off the group's balance.

[@rosesforviolets]

avdol is my favorite crusader. the way he died is really disturbing to me. i guess i just have a soft spot for extremely selfless characters, like avdol- he couldn't be selfish even if he tried. as you said, he's universally respected, hated by nobody, and i really wish his arc didn't end like that. :(

[@Tracer_Krieg]

Sorry, but bringing him back was worth enough for the meme worthy "Yes, I am!" scene.

[@goon_gang]

The "resurrection" thing is funny, Polnareff wished for his return and instead got a zombie clay doll. Then Avdol shows up, he disguised himself as his father and lived on that island to heal.

[@pressfinchat]

Conspiracy Theory: When he was swallowed, he got isekai’d into MHA. During that process, he and his stand was seperated, reborn as sperate individuals, which is Almight and Endavour respectively. Which is the reason why Almight was quirkless. and why Almight is secretly Endavour’s big daddy

[@grabmynuts]

I. . I have no words

[@RayAkuma]

Me just searching for "Avdol" Also me: Accidentally stumbles upon another channel of grandline review

[@pugman9672]

I was so pissed off when the others were like yeah we knew he was ok we just didn’t tell you so you would grow up. Like wtf he could have learned that lesson while knowing that avdol was being taken care of.

[@tw80studios66]

Fun fact: The first time Advol died was actually implemented by Araki because ha was getting tired of drawing all his weird clothes and details, he didn’t actually think it was important to the story at first

[@dylananderson310]

Ah, but you see, JoJo doesn’t need good writing! It can just say it’s being BIZARRE and it almost works.

[@chopsticks9826]

I also kinda feel the same way as the thoughts you present in this video, but I do have a counter argument. The blank confused shocked feeling we get when Avdol dies a second time, caused by the abrupt nature of his death, and the fact that he “died” before, puts us in the same shoes as Polnareff narratively. We can’t believe that would just happen. We’re confused and it scares us, just like Polnareff in that situation. At least that’s my 2 cents

[@FrankieW00FR]

I can honestly respect your take on this. I am not really affected by it personally because part 3 really wasn't that special to me BUT I can see where you are coming from here.

[@billyrunsaplumbingservice1141]

Avdol: *Died two times* Kakyoin: *A milf hunter that was wounded in the beginning of second season and was resurrected in the last part of the season but only to be killed in the last third episode*

[@SsqueakyRat]

Personally I found the way that Avdol kinda just vanished really unsettling. The way he just disappears without a proper send off was existentially horrifying. One moment he’s with hanging out with Polnareff and the next he’s gone forever. I don’t think every character send off has to involve a full funeral procession and military honors. I think the horror of Avdols death builds up a sense of danger while Joseph, Jotaro, and Kakoyin play video games downstairs. The Cream fight is probably the most high stakes fight in the series. It killed the most crusaders out of any fight and left polareff within an inch of his life. Defeating Vanilla Ice seemed more out of reach than defeating Dio ever did.

[@NewWorldReview]

I agree with a lot of this. Especially that defeating Vanilla Ice felt like so much more of a struggle and far more earned than Dio.

[@stone_the_jojo_fan9749]

If Avdol had survived the vanilla ice situation and polnareff died, he probably would’ve been a bigger help to the passione in part 5, in the sense of the arrows and the understanding of king crimson

[@Longshotsz]

I honestly feel that adding hol horse to the gang would have been both interesting and fitting than just resurrecting Abdul

[@rodolfovalenzuela9368]

Nice review, Avdol is my fav of the crusaders, and I mostly agree with you, but a point I think you missed is that Avdol is very important to introduce Iggy, also being the only local from Egypt when the crusaders arrive there, but both points could have been developed better with more focus on him, instead Avdol is mostly a development tool for Polnareff

[@IsaacKuo]

Even though it wasn't really planned well, I end up liking how Avdol was handled because it fits in with this general recurring theme of tone whiplash in Stardust Crusaders. Like with the bizarrely humorous coda to Anubis ... you just never know what's coming. So. I first experienced JoJo from the six 1990s OVAs, and it was puzzling to me why Polnareff was so confused about Avdol dying. But I lacked the context that he thought Avdol had died before, but was wrong about that. In the manga story, the Stardust Crusaders have gone through a long and grueling gauntlet of deadly fights ... yet ultimately NONE of them have died yet. They always managed to somehow survive. So, basically, it's a long setup to expect that surely any sort of main character death would be amazing and long drawn out ... like Kakyoin's ... or Iggy's ... or even Polnareff's almost sacrifice. And yet, Avdol just DIES. Polnareff, of course, can't believe it. He can't believe it at all, after all they've been through and all he's experienced so far. So, Avdol's death tells us, the readers, that no one is safe. This story isn't fair. It adds real weight to Polnareff's situation when he realizes that there's no way out for him - that life isn't fair. Polnareff and Iggy really could just die without accomplishing anything to help protect the others from Vanilla Ice. But Polnareff comes to accept that possibility, and peacefully bids Iggy farewell. Polnareff is at peace because he knows he can't take being the one saved by someone else's sacrifice ... he dies saving Iggy instead, and he's okay with that. He can accept that sort of fairness. He can make some sort of fairness, even if it doesn't mean much (obviously, Iggy's in no state to be able to help the others ... he probably won't even be able to run away from Vanilla Ice). And it adds more weight to Iggy's determination that he can't just accept that. Iggy understands why Polnareff is at peace sacrificing himself to save him, but Iggy can't accept that sort of "fairness". He just can't. So sure ... taken on its own, Avdol's death and resurrection is pretty sloppy story telling. But viewed in a context of what it was able to contribute to the Polnareff's and Iggy's stories, I think it was pretty okay.

[@admiralbishop3022]

the major problem imo, is the fact that he barely had a chance to REALLY shine. Every character, even Iggy had an episode dedicated to themselves or with a partner. Avdol only had one while kakyoin and polnareff had multiple

[@pizzweak580]

There are official statements from Araki, the author of Jojo, that he never intended to keep Avdol dead in that moment. This is even shown in the story as it was explained Avdol had to fake his own death in order to buy a submarine as a means of safe travel.

[@balian9177]

The way araki did it with bucciarati in part 5 was imo a better way of "resurection"

[@andyroobrick-a-brack9355]

Everyone always says "Yes, I am." But nobody ever takes the time to ask "WHY is Avdol."

[@niiiiiko]

“It’s JoJo Monday” JoJo Friday: Am I a joke to you?

[@ultraola4588]

I kinda liked that avdol died and came back because when shigechi died and stayed dead it was more of a surprise as I thought he could have been brought back. Same with part 5

[@jacobknitter80]

I really agree with basically everything said in this vid, Avdol became my fav of the crusaders because he was killed and showed everyone how much of a risk this journey actually is. I was even excited for the fight between silver chariot and him when he was revived because i thought it would be a bitter fight where the man that once saved chariots life had to be killed again by him, but no he's just alive and the fake avdol is like a shadow demon or something, really ruined it for me

[@Ragnay977]

I'm surprised you didn't mention Dragon Ball at all. Probably my first experience of botched everything. I mean they got resurrection mechanics stacked on more resurrection mechanics with a side of plot armor resurrection mechanics. I stopped watching it after the Cell Saga and even by then I think most characters had died two or three times yet everyone still absolutely freaked out every time anyone was hurt.

[@g.sergiusfidenas6650]

Dragon Ball was my chilhood, one of the series that got me into anime and manga and as such it has a special place among pleasant memories my mind but there is a reason why I have not seen it again in over a decade and why I would not touch Super even with a stick, I think it would not hold-up for me and would partially ruin what it made that series special, funnny enough I think Hokuto no Ken and Saint Seiya resisted the pass of time better for me, so I either find them less flawed than DB or I was simply not as attached to those series as I was with DB, not sure yet about it.

[@justanawkwardnerd]

One of the biggest issues I had with Avdol's revival was HOW we learned he was revived - the whole plot about tricking Polnareff with Avdol's "father" was something I found as an act of cruelty to Polnareff. Part 3, in general, is something I feel had a thing about being needlessly making Polnareff the butt of jokes. Hiding it for a bit I can sort of get, but revealing it the way they did like some petty revenge plot was honestly awful. It was like they were playing some cruel joke behind Polnareff's back for getting Avdol killed and that they all honestly believed and felt that way, and I just couldn't get behind that. It was an awful thing to do, and an awful thing to play around with. It's also something I think would normally be out of character for them - I would think Avdol would have found it cruel along with Kakyoin, and Jotaro would also find it pointlessly cruel - if they felt that way, I think he'd find more benefit in just telling him point-blank, but he also understood that Polnareff had grown past that and that he's definitely someone worth working past such emotions with. And it'd be a joke that Joseph would find taken too far, you know? It's definitely one of the worst done revival plots I've ever seen for these reasons. It doesn't help that his actual death was something so incredibly lame that I, too, couldn't' take it seriously and that his death AND Iggy's left Polnareff feeling so inadequate and alone - again, something needlessly cruel. Avdol and Iggy just ended up as a foil to Polnareff, and usually by making fun of him in some way - and it's awful. They don't really end up having value of their own, and there is so much I have to say about Iggy as I honestly don't like him, but his death was needlessly cruel and ridiculous. Avdol's death reminds me of Loki's in Infinity War - dead "from a bit of Chokeplay" that left you in denial from how poorly done it was is honestly an insult to their character.

[@cwu1]

They probably didn't want to kill off the only brown guy of the group that fast

[@giornogiovanna6973]

Avdoll in part 4: Magicians Dead

[@rhyelince8277]

What if Frenchie died to Vanilla Ice and Avdol came back in part 5?

[@machina5]

I 100% expected him to show up and save Polnareff and Iggy until they were both shown to pass on. Then I was dissapointed.

[@DagothXil]

I agree with most of these points but I feel the exact opposite about vanilla ice. You really can't undersell the impact of a sudden, meaningless death. You don't get the visceral "there's his corpse there" sure, but the lack of it only serves to intensify the feeling where you stop and blink and have to realize the reality of the situation. Admittedly it's been done way better but a loss where your primary question is Why It Had To Happen can be really devastating when the frank answer is that it didn't.

[@nickrondinelli1402]

I cant believe you wouldnt disrespect his sacrifice at the end like that. I think it was supereyelatchwolf that made a video on this but he had to instantly make the decision to save his friends just after saying that this was no time to olay hero since the crusaders were in the endgame in dio's mansion. It was a hugely impactful death since it meant that this was a serious enemy and would push polnaref to take things seriously at the end with the additional sacrifice of iggy

[@NewWorldReview]

You speak about it like he was an actual person. I am questioning the effectiveness of a decision made by an author. To me, and many others as evidenced by this comment section, Avdol's second death had no impact because of everything I speak about in the video.

[@butteredsalmonella]

If Avdol just didn't turn around, then he would be fine.

[@bracket7722]

Well that scene was top tier humor

[@randomuser5443]

When he was consumed by Vanilla Ice, I was simply shocked. He was taken within a few frames. I wasn’t sad, but with how quickly he was felled, I was worried about Iggy and Silver chariot’s (I actually cannot spell his name) survival

[@randomuser5443]

Coda Bio Thx

[@Voidi-Void]

imagine if armless avdol just appeared in part 9, like that alternate universe was were vanilla ice's erased things went

[@shmardikai597]

Since Avdol cares for chickens... He's a *CHICKEN TENDER*

[@mat0vm]

I'm still pretty sure avdol is well... no, he's as well as he could be with no arms, living peacefully in another dimension. Maybe even in the "happy ending" world of pucci.

[@theduelist92]

The Falcon dude talking a literal gigabomb to the face only to be kinda injured after a couple of weeks was so atrocious that it made me forget the name of the Falcon dude. And it was a really cool dude up until it was unkillable. In complete opposite of the topic of this video, i have a love / hate relationship with Bucciarati "surviving" in Part 5. I remember watching the anime (im not a manga reader, feel free to insult me) i was so damn sure Buciarati was able to cling to life thanks to Trish's Stand Power until... Spice Girl was revealed and i wasn't. That was a huge miss IMO, for Thrish to have a reality bending Stand would've been fine since she's Diavolo's blood and That leaves the whole Bucciarati situation unanswered. That being said it's a pretty neat use of the "resurrection" trope: instead of letting us suffer and than bring him back because we were suffering Araki left him there for us to belive things were fine, but in fact he was dead several days ago and there was nothing we could've done. I dont hate the Avdol problem that much because Araki managed to kill him in a very meaningful way instead of just toying with us, but even more wit Bucciarati it was like he died twice AND ALSO we knew for half the time he was gonna die inevitably. It doesn't make sense, but it works in the narrative flow of te story IMO. Plus i have my own personal interpretation on how Bucciarati didn't die thanks to his own destiny being modified by Mista in the Rolling Stone arc and that comehow plaing into him surviving the deadly encounter. Also, non JoJo related, it made sense in the story and actually was turning point for the story and for many characters but... the Nagato's Rinne Tensei to bring back the Leaf Village citizens he killed was pretty ass, ESPECIALLY cause Kakashi DIED in that moment. I remember dropping genuine tears of sadness when Kakashi died and to just bring him back was a slap to my emotions.

[@brandonirigatoni120]

"never ever do this" well i see that Avdol is touching his face which does indeed seem like a poor choice right now.

[@clammy8884]

There was more proof to Hol Horse joining the Crusaders. It pretty much came down to he is just a western polnareff and kakyoin was already the ranged character of the group.

[@twinkpeaks9993]

I actually think his death to Vanilla Ice was really effective. Within the first few minutes of the fight, he’s gone. It shows how dangerous Vanilla Ice is and how people can just die to these powers. It really makes you consider how dangerous he is, and that’s he not just another disposable goon. If they removed Avdol’s fake death, then it would have an even bigger impact.

[@cookies23z]

If pol died to save avdol versus vanilla ice, I think it would have been an interesting situation

[@Raidoven]

im okay with his deaths. of course partially because im biased towards wanting to see more of him, but he became more of a fun character after his death. he was pretty bland before and I only liked him because he looked like me. after he came back he developed his catchphrases and sense of humour, and ultimately both his deaths were him sacrificing for his friends(even after lying to iggy and pol that he wouldn't) and that to be made him even more heroic. I'd like to have believed that he didn't die by Vanilla Ice, but he got transported to another universe, just with no arms.

[@LLCL2012]

I agree, I felt the same as you when Avdol died the second time, and I hate the fact that everyone knew that Avdol was alife except Polnareff, And lead me to think that gimmick of "Avdol's dad" was just a cheap way of Araki to give Polnareff more remorse before he faced Hail2 you guy. In the case of Pell at least he wasn't part of the main cast, but it hindered the narrative of One Piece making the readers doubt every single death, for example, most of OP fans weren't sure about the deaths of P and P characters in the whole cake ark, Those deaths were supposed to be heavy and sad but, as readers, we can't be sure, because "if Pell survived a nuke on his face, this character could surly survive this" some fans argue that "he survived because he had awakened his fruit, granting his super regen" but come on how an awaken zoan user would lose to Robin pre-timeskip

[@JSPaul49]

I can at least respect how Araki gives concrete reasons for the actions taken. In this case, keeping Avdol hidden while he recovered. (Many resurrections happen ‘just because’ or for reasons that, if explained and should’ve been explained, would make this comeback expected.) At the same time, I can’t name a single later instance where a good guy character death is caused by someone other than the main antagonist.