The Basics of Tekken (Tekken 7) - The Application of Frame Data

[@MrShoe321]

This video is absolutely gold in regards to actually getting your foot in the door playing fighting games online

[@sodawithyoda21]

I have come to realise how much I like listening to Aris Ranting about tekken. The pizza analogy was golden

[@merceraeolymus]

"Pizza time!" - Tobey Maguire.

[@BeachSamuraiStudios]

Is your head still full of purple shite since 6 yrs ago?

[@SetzarothTV]

Frame data. The most important thing the game refuses to tell you.

[@PirateMacDougall]

ha

[@KAarnagemAmolgada]

not any more

[@CGoody564]

@@KAarnagemAmolgada for the low low price of 3.99. lmao

[@KAarnagemAmolgada]

Hahaha them crooked bastard's

[@jesumexcraft]

I thought capcom were thieves from blocking the entire cast of streetfighter behind a paywall but then I met Bandai Namco blocking framedata behind a pay wall and that is disgusting

[@aaronrogers8108]

5years later and this vid still helped someone (me) who just got into tekken and my friend I gotta say you are truly the goat.NOONE EXPLAINS TEKKEN BETTER THAN YOU MAN THANK YOU.

[@taylorbee4010]

If JDCR is Harry Potter, Aris is like a angry Greek Hagrid.

[@richzilla9338]

There is a high level devil jin player that is known as "harry potter" xD. He's the real deal

[@darkinertia2]

amazing series I love this for all the people that are quite simpletons like me the way im seeing it, its kinda like learning theory in music, sure you can get away with pounding on some chords, and eventually find out what boxes to play in for leads and stumble into it, but its not like learning theory and scales WONT make you a better player. and even the people that do it by feel and in some abstract way are actually learning the scales, just in a really inefficient way and eventually youll hit a plateau where you cant get any better

[@rankoperse]

Definitely one of the best guides to tekken in general, no lies

[@btones5000]

This is the best explanation of the application of frame data that I’ve found. Other videos explain the concept well, but give the impression that high level Tekken players are savant level mathematicians

[@samlindstrom5602]

Hate when there was no video like this when I started tekken :( Thanks Aris this is a shit good video for new players!

[@Oneframesensei]

aris please post character tutorials once t7 drops please. Your tutorials are sick

[@nightman922]

I second this

[@TheAnimatedGamer]

James N look em up there's a ton of them

[@spiritualopportunism4585]

You're a great communicator Aris. A teacher of sorts is definitely an option for you some time in your life, just saying.

[@geotkn5984]

Imagine him as your teacher... damn that would be sick #educationcity

[@EXTREEEEEEEEEME]

He is a Tekken teacher.

[@TheEthanGamer]

I can see Aris calling all his students stoners if they aren't listening to him.

[@Susano19]

Honestly this video is pretty amazing. Aris does an excellent job at explaining frame data for fighting games in general while still keeping "the conversation" really casual and loose. Which is important in my opinion because a lot of people get intimidated when you start talking numbers

[@Stryfe52]

It goes from “THEY PUT LETTERS IN MATH,” to “THEY PUT MATH IN EVERYTHING!!”

[@domobs]

He is the best tekken teacher, period.

[@mkt-7]

Oh man it took me a bunch of vids to understand the concept of using frame data. As aris mentioned, I only understood it to a level of using frame data to punish opponents. This vid really hit the light bulb switch for me. I've played tekken 3, tag 1, 6, and now 250+ hrs of tekken 7 and I've only began a deeper appreciation for the game. I can finally get out of green ranks, hopefully. Compared to more mainstream games like league of legends, fortnite, etc, tekken is just harder to get in to, but when you reach a level of competency, it really feels good Anyways, thanks for the vids, really appreciate it. Love from the philippines

[@cartoonworld1000]

Because of this video I've seen the importance of frame data, and ways to implement it when I'm playing. Thanks Aris.

[@lildoop5369]

Best Tekken tutorial ever! I main Alisa and I have learned her +frame moves and the like, this is very important and I know that and I am very happy you made this vid; I am gonna continue reading and trying to learn all the frame data, it is gonna take a while most likely but I must do it.

[@squelchtheory]

One of your best videos Aris. I used frame data in 5 and Got lazy in 6. This motivated me to get back into taking my notes! Thanks!

[@SelfCheckout]

this series is great, i'm just getting into tekken now and the 3 I've seen in really good information for me to keep in the back of my mind when i leave practice mode and start climbing the ladder. Thank you for this

[@kennethchau6318]

Bukkake range killed me LOL...

[@MartinMilz1993]

kinda late but top tier inspiration for learning the game

[@daniel5694]

it would be cool if tekken 7 comes with frame data in the move list like injustice 2. that would be so dope.

[@chimichango6381]

Daniel Furtado i was hoping for that too but, that is not the case. sadly 😞

[@airguitarsalesman]

Daniel Furtado ikr I hate going to rbnorway every time I turn on tekken

[@turtleking29]

Dude aris is smart?!? This video got me more interested in tekken and fighting games than anything I've ever seen in a tournament.

[@julioespinal3013]

what got me hooked was learning different crazy distance/weight combos and approaches with johnny. I am obsesed with fighting games now. t7, ggxrd2, sfv, kof14, bbcf. I cant stay on one. they all have their merits.

[@Gonbebe]

Really like the rpg stats analogy, gonna use that in the future. Also just wanted to emphasize that frame data is only part of the story. Things like pushback and other random properties can contribute to whether a move is good or not.

[@OneLife310]

Bro you had me laughing so hard maybe to hard idk maybe because you were spiitin' truth in a blunt 'BS aside' kinda way.I loved it! It was almost like watching you paint a portrait but yea great video!

[@brainrot8215]

Fuckin stoners

[@ali09gaming58]

this guys is a philosopher, wouldnt mind getting some conselling from him

[@akeemowens4097]

Holy shit this is Gold. the analogy how he explains dumbs it down a bit. Best teacher ever

[@ZombifiedHero]

Dang... Tekken Theory with Professor Aris. 5 credit course, MWF.

[@fpjones6546]

Lmaoo

[@turntyle]

This kind of stuff is SO tremendously valuable and your passion and commitment to conveying the concepts clearly really shows. Thank you so much for doing stuff like this.

[@chaosx07]

I really...fuckin love...this presentation! I authentically appreciate this entire explanation. Because I was one one the people DRAWN to Tekken ever since 3 but hated frame data. I finally have an appreciation for it.

[@faintsherin4468]

This is a nice philosophical way of putting ideas into action, the presenter may or may not be aware, but this is surprisingly applicable to other areas of life.

[@Kafei]

I think one can understand frame data as a basic concept, i.e. the game's based on frames, and some moves are faster than others, etc. Some players may be familiar with frame data in that sense, but may not know the actual number of frames in each animation. Aris once spoke to FightingGM at a point in his Tekken tenure where he was unfamiliar with frama data, and played based on intuition. I think you can play based on intuition. Maybe frame data might give you a very useful technical advantage, but ultimately isn't necessary, I believe.

[@xeikai]

Have to agree, however i use frame data differently. I played in arcades in the 1990's and SF2 vanilla era i was in highschool. and in the 2000's. Back in the 1990's we didnt really have concepts of framedata, i'm sure it was out there but the way i learn is usually i eyeball moves and experiment with them and i can get a good idea of how safe or good a move is based on just looking at it and i still play like that, i also learn by getting punished by players to learn limits. With frame data now you can skip over most of the painful trail and error part of learning because it's all outlined in the data for you. If you get blown up by something or punished by something you were not aware of you can goto the frame data and it will all be there for you which is excellent I like how he explains the creative aspects of moves since i'm very much someone who uses frame data in the first application he outline, i used it to learn how to punish people.

[@anthonylaselva4727]

Man...this is the best video on Tekken advices I ever saw (maybe ever created on youtube). Thank you, stoner! ;)

[@merceraeolymus]

This was an amazing explanation of how to build combos. Thank you so much Aris.

[@teflonpete]

Thank you Aris for teaching me this game thoroughly and very clearly. Cheers!

[@LUX711]

Best stoner tutor on the net 😤

[@pabben03]

That was great. Your train of thought is insane.

[@InfernoZX5]

I thought I was the only one who had fun creating situations. The situation that reeled me in was Lars Db4 into WS 2. Now it's even better cause NH Db4 is +5 and making WS 2 nearly unavoidable while still being safe enough plus I can make an attempt at juicier pokes like Ff1+2. Also the increase in damage potential on CH is nice too. All hail Lord Aris.

[@TekkengodJets]

OMFG on my way to play TEKKEN 7 location test for 2nd night,you inspire me aris

[@maturename9817]

I don't think anyone else could have explained it better🙌

[@BARRYCARRYGAMING]

aris u look like a akuma main

[@phantasykingz-prime4115]

I watched this 7 times. And i havent lose since. And im a brand new player. 1 month. Thanks man.

[@BudokaiMaster]

wow, very eye opening, and a very informative discussion

[@kaoiken5030]

this guides should be in the steam Tekken community tab PINNED , instead they are buried in youtube :/

[@prestongraham9737]

thank you Ari's great vid

[@vasuhardeo1418]

even valid today for tekken 7, great info as always, thanks dude.

[@FyuyuR]

I suck too much at maths to understand this shit on first try. Gonna have to watch it at least twice and pay even more attention xD Anyway I've been wandering on your channel for a while now, I'm subscribing :) Thanks for the tutorials and your excellent videos !

[@jaidejon4485]

i must say, my grandma introduced me to this game at tekken 6, and she used to beat my ass for my reaction, and now that she passed im just striving to be good enough to know that i couldve returned the asswhooping. btw, i could return the asswhooping.

[@zarock2398]

Very thankful for these great tutorials.

[@SuperFreez1]

17:06 Bukkake...

[@dennisgoossens3352]

i understand it's really important and i always use frame data, but why oh why can't they just include it in the game?? like mortal kombat just add the frame data in the move list, it's really easy. All the stats in dark souls are in the game are they not???

[@wetim99]

i think just learning hat is launch punishable then learning whats punishable are great stepping stones towards learning frame data.

[@TheWrathOfKon]

Very useful info. Thanks!

[@tarasbulba4512]

A fucking revelation, holy shit. He should be a public speaker or a coach or whatever.

[@johnnylira6238]

Thank you so much Aris. Your Feng strategies helped me get to warrior rank. Then I lost it, but still. Lol.

[@TheAlpha0014]

I am actually getting into this game after being a long term Dark Souls PvP player (looking for something more competitive) and the analogy wth starts and weapons really works for me. I wonder if there's a video somewhere expanding on the basic concepts of spacing, whiff punishes etc. that would be really helpful.

[@xxR4ve3nxx]

i love this guy oO

[@YanuCerda]

This is great. Thank you!

[@romeosoprano5379]

Hello Aris, I M total newbie, and I have to say you are an awesome teacher and like how you explain stuff. I do find this game very hard to learn but I also like a challenge. I am trying to play online but get my ass kicked all the time. I cant even get a hit in with some of these people. Any hints on how to progress?

[@nirritis1516]

Play with ppl your level (that is what I do). Over time you'll learn stuff by mistakes, pure accident (im an artist and thats how I level up the most: accidents). STEEL SHARPENS STEEL: find a discord server and ask for others willing to learn like you. Practice is good but enjoying the game is too.

[@demonsaurusmccarnage3548]

I love it when someone messages me on PSN complaining about me spamming. I always tell them, "You can't spam in TTT2." This video explains why. Well, technically you can "spam" by doing a move over and over. However, my point is that spamming does NOT work in Tekken. Those people will never reach the ranks of Bukkake.

[@Lionelj]

🤯 this is blowing my mind

[@TheGeek327]

This is a great video. I mean, fighting games pretty much *are* frame data

[@gilah718]

Just amazing man!!! Thank you very much :)

[@jasonayala691]

was that capital punishment combo nerfed? Whenever i go for the headbutt the opponent flips over so I can't land the powerbomb

[@aliendriver3164]

I wanted to hit the like button more than once. Great job on explaining this stuff. ['Like Like, Like, Like.']

[@Hands2Great]

You are amazing Sir!!

[@mauga15]

How do you discover if moves create plus frames on opponent?

[@urmama54]

hey uh arisk, got a method on how to achieve ultra instinct in tekken

[@BlazeingGoldReviews]

where is that stage? ive never seen it

[@bigdamo21635]

How do you practice having a pokchop in your ear though?

[@gamerquipxx462]

28:30 was dying about the pokchop comment

[@smoke90s]

wise words thank you

[@DenchTraceur]

Okay the thought of looking through frame data was fucking terrible but after looking up the info it made things make a little more sense and did give me the info to help punish or prevent getting punished

[@d0_nothing]

thank you SENSEI

[@Littlefighter1911]

Plus frames are the frames in which the enemy is mini stunned?

[@ItsJustNery]

The 19th Fighter late reply... yes

[@Littlefighter1911]

KingMaga Hope this one is not too late ;)

[@PSNMyfoot]

It's actually how faster you recover from your move. If it's +2 you recover 2 frames faster from attacking than the dude recovers from blocking. The mini stun is block stun, it's important but not exactly what the + is for. It's 2 frames of advantage after all interaction is done. It's the same for any fighting game =)

[@Littlefighter1911]

PSNMyfoot Yeah, never really looked at fighting games in a competitive way. I just try to master my character as good as possible. And often there are some moves that chain up well and some others that don't. e.g I know that most "recommended" 10-hit Combos (the ones on the command list) like Lily or Alisa have very big windows in which they are vulnerable, even if they have hit the first punch. Which is why I think that you could only use those against newbs (worse than me). I play fighting games more like. Recognize pattern, block when needed, punch inside the frame when vulnerable then chain up with something. But regarding the 2 frames. Aren't those nearly impossible to hit? I mean at 60fps 2 frames are about 33ms. No way I press a button inside that window (or rather not likely I do it purely on purpose). So the guy is blocking 2 frames even after you have hit him so inside those you can hit him again. But moves need to start as well (and those generally take more than just 2 frames afai can tell). So how is t his possible then?

[@PSNMyfoot]

The 19th Fighter I didn't see your reply, sorry =\ you don't use that +2 to hit them. Taking street fighter as an example (I know the numbers better for it, but it works just the same) Imagine I do a jab and you block it, and that jab hits on the 3rd frame of the animation, and let's say it's +2 on block. You are gonna be stuck blocking for 2 frames longer than it will take it for me to move again, that's what it means, it's 2 frames of advantage. So let's say you try your own jab after blocking mine, and Indo the same. Since I started my 3f jab 2 frames before you did, you are gonna get hit out of the startup of yours. Framedata is mostly useful for said situations, to know when you are in a disadvantage or advantage, and in street Fighter for instance all jabs are either 3 or 4 frames so it applies to a number of different scenarios.

[@OneBrokeBloke]

I get the concept but with so many characters, and about 150 attacks on each of them, its hell having to analyze attacks like this; it will take forever. Also, how do you even know how many frames an attack is? Is it listed ingame, are you actually using a stop clock or browsing the internet for a list?

[@Abearnamedfrederick]

data on the net, print it out for your current main; and yes, it takes a long time to learn who can punish what and how, but if youre getting cucked out by electric spams or orbitals or some garbage all the time after 8 months of consistent play youre eventually going to take three minutes to learn the frame data on an electric for Mishimas.

[@OneBrokeBloke]

Whats an Orbital?

[@ryanhass8716]

even in the first 2 minutes I'm learning something. I get blown up for wiffing so often, I fall for that kind of stuff all the time. Maybe I can learn from it now lol

[@logasoba]

"You're wack, and you didn't really win shit" lmao

[@TheOctoJon]

not many lars players are comfortable hitting frame perfect fb+2,1 though... i'd probably still use f2,4

[@LeHoa-pi7sl]

hey aris! you mentioned once in your videos that -13 isnt that big of a deal in tekken.. but if a jab is 10frames wouldnt that punish a -13frame move on block?

[@CarlosHernandez-dw3ph]

yes, the range on the move could affect weather the jab wifs or not tho. This is where the risk/reward comes in, if your -13 move has the reward you're looking for, you can risk getting punished by a jab, if its near end of a round you probably don't want to do that tho. Its even hard to explain being that tekken is so complex

[@LeHoa-pi7sl]

thanks for the help, indeed tekken is complicated, one answer brings up another question x_x

[@CarlosHernandez-dw3ph]

Le Hoa exactly, its what makes it so fun, been playing since tekken 2 and theres still shit im learning

[@waqasniaz1341]

Brother i am from pakistan. I love your channel please do a video on Nina williams just like this. Thankyou, Brother Aris

[@BimBurger]

I love how you know how to make a pizza, man.

[@akmmaabb2037]

I just realized that I only punish lows

[@Stryfe52]

*RULES OF TEKKEN!!*

[@Victor79080]

"Frame data it's MUY important" hahahahaha

[@theimprovist4158]

Great video

[@ChaosTool93]

is it any good to fight cpu to train?

[@SmallManOnUniversalCredit]

No, the CPU plays nothing alike a real person. They pretty much use every move in the moveset, they dont know frames so they aren't able to punish or build pressure/mind games. They are also able to block all your unseeable lows which a person wouldn't be able to react to.

[@ChaosTool93]

i just noticed things like they never duck in a string, i did one combo with miguel all the time, til i met a miguel pleayer online, who ducked under it, i didn't know you can do that

[@leandrooliveira3070]

BigManWithCa$h that moment in ultra hard when you try to do 3 different throws and cpu breaks them all perfectly, or when they block your generic d 4 reliably

[@SmallManOnUniversalCredit]

+Leo Oliveira FeelsBadMan

[@AlwaysCoolikethat]

I kind of feel like all fighting games have the necessity to learn frame data, people just hold Tekken to this double standard that dictates its not fun. I find street fighter more complicated because they're flat at okay with unbreakable grabs, spammy projectiles, oh and these charge characters from SF II in SF IV who fly at me bounce off my character blocking just far enough so I can't hit him back. That's my perspective. I feel like Tekken gives me the tools to deal with stuff I find annoying. Oh you're gonna span a three hit string? Bet the last part leaves you vulnerable, or I can side step it, or something.

[@spiritualopportunism4585]

BUKAKAE RANK! LOLS

[@JamesGamezz]

He said my name

[@bluetoad607]

This was so helpful

[@kbg12ila]

When is tekken 7 releasing? For consoles?

[@screwtranslater]

No one knows.

[@tamerdp]

They need to add a lot of stuff. Tekken 6 had scenario campaign so i wonder if if they made a better one for 7. Damn mode was broken as hell but i still had fun with it.

[@Just_Larry]

There's no confirmation date on console release, but this wednesday the 18th the full version of T7 releases for arcades

[@kbg12ila]

XLR8TION1 with all characters.

[@kbg12ila]

?

[@lilwangtlc5245]

Lol 19:13 so funny quiet simpleton so true not saying ima expert in this game everyone wont easy easy instead of challenge

[@kristopherinfante1206]

I'm lovin' it.

[@Ninjabob568]

thank you.

[@Carlos-hb1qq]

where I could study frame data and what is the best training in tekken 7 for frame data? thanks!

[@BlazeWindsword]

yes tekken guides ;:D}

[@jeako777]

Aris' examples are fucking perfect haha

[@giedriuqaz]

17:05 when you rech that Byakko rank

[@RamsesTheStone]

I'm finally starting to understand the very basics of Tekken. But, being someone who started playing fighting games with SF4 in 2009, I finally realize how *awful* my execution really is.

[@lopo8000]

If you play with a pad don't forgett to play with 2 fingers on 1 2 3 4 very inportant for execution and speed

[@OathOfRevenge]

Manuel Guthrie Or don't, pads have shoulder buttons for a reason.

[@doubtequalsammo]

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