The Batman (2022) VS Batman Begins (2005) - Which film is better?

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

I think both are good movies, it’s just they’re trying to do different things. Begins is a proper action origin story while The Batman is an early years detective story. Honestly depends on what you’re looking for in a Batman adaptation.

[@natwalsh2710]

I love both of them!! ^.^ And most other Batman films and shows, too. Live action and animated. And love the comics. The Batman is pretty much closer to the comics. Batman Begins isn’t but I still love it.

[@TxAshraf007]

This is the best take !!!!! These two films are like two different Batman comics. Begins is that hard hitting action story like “I am bane” from Tom king while the Batman is obviously a detective thriller story such as the long Halloween

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

Batman Begins is amazing, but The Batman is fan-fucking-tastic.

[@Lone432345]

I don't got anything against Batman movie where hes a detective. But Batman in "THE BATMAN" is not a good detective at all. He doesn't catch bad guy or stop his evil plan. Hes called "The Worlds Greatest Detective". Not the "Worlds Most Mediocre Detective". Adam West Batman was better at detective work.

[@blackwaterproduction289]

This is very true, but the only reason Batman Begins is way better for me is the fact that The Batman has a video game formula! He's Batman for like 90% of the movie which is not a bad thing, but we don't see him face any consequences as a result!

[@ZeeManiaX]

Easy. It’s Batman begins and it’s not even close. The Batman is a good movie and a lot more darker and grittier, Batman begins is a work of art story wise, direction wise, etc.

[@batman-fh9td]

Respectfully disagree

[@kylekullin2520]

Batman Begins is a phenomenal story; my favorite Nolan Batman story.

[@brandonsalisbury7182]

@@batman-fh9tdYea same here! I love Nolan s films I remember when TDK first released in theaters all 3 are incredible films but the last really lost the vibe of Gotham from the comics! Wasn’t a huge fan of Robert but I must say he’s an awesome Bruce Wayne and although the film does drag on a bit longer it’s a better Batman film then begins! Obviously TDK is the best imo of Nolan’s series but if The Batman can capture the same level the first film but with a Batman who obviously learns from the first film plus a an awesome Joker or even better a modern adaptation of another iconic villain like Mr Freeze (which would be hard to do) then I can see it being better then TDK despite how iconic it is!

[@themadtitan7603]

I considered Batman Begins the best live-action Batman movie simply because other films in the series pushed Batman to the side in favor the the villains and plot. The Batman easily takes over the spot for me, as an adaptation of the comics; character-wise, aesthetically and a capturing of Gotham's deep lore and history. Robert Pattinson is my favorite Batman and potentially Bruce Wayne too once he develops a playboy persona in the sequel.

[@randallrutherford1384]

I really really really really enjoyed the Batman and they were times especially at the beginning of the movie when I was seeing Robert Pattinson on screen and just saying like wow holy cow like it was pretty awesome but I still can't say that I really think that the movie itself is actually an overall better film than Batman begins which I still consider to be the most perfect Batman movie of all time considering all of its strengths and weaknesses. And that's the thing it's Batman begins that feels like a hardly has any weaknesses I can't even think of one to be honest and although the heights of the Batman were amazing I didn't feel like it was lacking of flaws like Batman begins is. I did love the new Batman movie but I don't think I would rewatch that movie nearly as many times as I rewatch Batman begins over the years.

[@kingkong9892]

I didnt feel Bane was put over bruce in rises at all. He was great in the scenes he was but bruces arc seemed more of the focus

[@jennav2063]

@@randallrutherford1384 the fight scenes in Batman begins had too much shaky camera work is a weakness imo, they later fixed that in the sequels. Other than that, great film

[@randallrutherford1384]

@@jennav2063 the way I like to think about the editing of the fight scenes in Batman begins is that it really gives you a feeling of the Ninja to type fighting style that Batman was using to fight the enemies with so it kind of gave us a sense of what it would be like for him to be using those ninja techniques coming in quickly attacking disappearing and we saw just what we needed to see that accentuated his prowess in those abilities in Batman begins.

[@jennav2063]

@@randallrutherford1384 I see what you’re saying but I think it was most likely Christopher Nolan not being that knowledged in choreographing fight scenes so it’s a an easier way out to to do that. He later fixed that in TDK AND TDKR but you can still tell that melee combat aspect was still not his strong features of his films.

[@adzinco6916]

the waynes died in 2001. fast and furious came out in 2001 so it's likely bruce watched that movie before his parents were killed and was then inspired by it to have a muscle car as the batmobile

[@themadtitan7603]

This might be a joke but just in case, the prequel novel revealed that Bruce got into street racing and car modification as a rebellious teenager and that's how they explain him knowing how to build a muscle car-style batmobile.

[@thefilmrookie3099]

Wasn’t it 2004?

[@adzinco6916]

@@thefilmrookie3099 movie says it's been 20 years since they died and the movie's set in modern day and since it was meant to come out in 2021 i'm taking that as the year it's set in unless something else says otherwise

[@scr0ngle108]

also possibly Shrek

[@ReedRichardsPhD]

@@scr0ngle108 this comment was so out of the blue but still within context when you think abt it lmaoo love it~

[@bctalicorn809]

The Batman felt a lot like Dune to me. Gotham felt so tangible, and instead of feeling like you're viewing Batman from afar, we are taking the journey with him this time, and it really puts you into the mindset of Batman. It's such an incredible experience that few movies have done for me. Batman Begins is still a phenomenal origin film, definitely one of the best out there, but in terms of getting the audience to experience living as the character of Batman, The Batman does such an outstanding job. It helps that the ending is so uplifting too.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

SPOILERS MAYBE (I won't directly spoil anything but still) the ending wasn't uplifting at all to me. Hardly uplifting.

[@coreyarmstrong1850]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 wasn’t meant to be

[@prabeshgurung1067]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 why? I wasn’t like jolly happy, but for Batman as a person, his future felt more uplifting with how he’s grown and understood the real change Gotham needs. Yes, things are gonna get much worse for a long time, as he said, but the possibility for a good future is just a bright with Batman’s growth

[@batnick4998]

I agree. One of the reasons I think The Batman is better is the shots. If you watch the car chase scenes in both The Batman and Batman Begins, you’ll see what I mean.

[@LarryHazard]

@@batnick4998 David Cronenberg said years ago that the Dark Knight chases remind him of the cameras following your vehicle in GTA. They don't have any style compared to the chase from The Batman

[@montieguthrie1076]

I loved how in The Batman Bruce Wayne really doesn’t exist. He has no idea how to be a normal person. He’s just emotionally stuck as the traumatic child he was when his parents were murdered. Batman is the real him. Bruce Wayne is a character he hasn’t learned to leverage to assist his crusade. This movie is all about broken people. The outsiders.

[@elfsieben1450]

Exactly. "The Batman" is a movie that demands empathy for the broken people. It is much like "Joker" in that respect. For quite similar reasons it is being abhorred, misconstrued, misunderstood, rejected by certain critics who can't handle empathising with or trying to understand mental trauma, moral grey areas, ethical dilemmata, political turmoil or social tensions. This isn't a feelgood movie of escapism or rosetinted glasses. This isn't a nihilistic movie about shooting up bad guys just because you can and feel emotionally entitled to do so. This isn't a propaganda film pretending to know all the answerst to society's problems. This is a film that dares to address problems and pose questions and invites you to challenge perceptions and think for yourself.

[@javierlopez9789]

So edgy

[@Dhdgcvnnnfx]

So he's like every youtuber comment that's y u like the batman's bruce

[@pigma-jw7ms]

Nah the Batman straight up sucked the best thing in that movie was the Riddler

[@aryanullal2877]

​@@elfsieben1450that is most incredibly biased and charitable interpretation of this movie ever. There is no nuance between the nihilistic, dark view, or escapist vision that you claim the film avoids. It tells clear story of corrupt perpetrators and resentful victims, the only shining light being protecting the innocent. Batman and riddler obviously fit into the resentful victims. And to ruin the nuance and dichotomy between the characters they just decide to make the riddler a little more crazy just to randomly kill everyone indiscriminately out of deep emotional hatred, when the whole point was he was only targeting the corrupt. How is that not just giving a lazy excuse to give something batman can save. And his whole hope not vengeance would be a whole lot more meaningful if he was willing to protect criminals from the riddler and not innocent people, because atleast then he would have a developed into a symbol of hope that people can change, like his father being good despite acting bad once. Instead of just doing the obvious thing like helping innocent people. It's so underwhelming he had such a minor realisation.

[@matteobovo2126]

Begins was a really brave movie. They presented it as an action film with the trailers, but nearly half of the movie( from what I remember) was actually a drama about Bruce Wayne and how he becomes the Batman. People probably expected to see Batman much earlier in the movie, and he only appears after an hour, thus building the excitement for his appearance. Plus Batman introduction shot like a horror scene( not the cheesy one from Batman 89, that is more funny than scary) is still the best batman introduction.

[@santanu-fr]

Yup they were pissing their pants at the dock. Guy who called " Stais " was also fixing Bruce's back in Rising

[@TheBatman39]

Matt Reeves does take some inspiration from Bale's Batman from the TDK trilogy to call out Batman's crusade for vengeance, when he states that "people need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy, as a symbol I can be incorruptible. I can be everlasting"; and that message comes into full circle in The Batman's ending when he lights up the red flare and saves people. Also this Ra's Al Ghul quote in Batman Begins sums it perfectly: "A vigilante it's just a man lost in the scramble for his own gratification, he can be destroyed or locked up. But; if you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal. And if they can't stop, then you become something else entirely. A legend Mr. Wayne"

[@krpyton7368]

😂🤣😂🤣😂 what

[@kappapond]

@@krpyton7368 Beating up ppl to scare them = bad Beating up bad guys + saving ppl = good

[@Thespeedrap]

Reeves did his own ideas for Batman but yeah he took cues from both Nolan's trilogy and Burton's Batman movies.

[@juanoro-barcenas79495]

Batman Begins aged like fine wine. It paved the way for the Dark Knight and The Batman.

[@YoBankaccountformyparlay]

The dialog where Falcone tells Bruce his weaknesses or his naivety to the world around him in batman begins is so detailed and nuanced, there is not a single scene that matches that sort of energy in the new Batman to me

[@santanu-fr]

Yes, Falconi in Begins is so memorable. Nothing John Tuturro did felt special, could've been any other guy.

[@breathing9127]

True

[@rocketthedachshund2961]

I don’t even think you believe what your saying. I was so pumped for The Batman and was ready to love it beyond the Nolanverse but after viewing The Batman a few times it just doesn’t stack up. I really liked it don’t get me wrong but Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are still my gold standard.

[@robertangus616]

Christian Bale is my favourite Bruce Wayne and Robert Pattinson is my favourite Batman also why are there random clips of Injustice? I know that Batman is the main protagonist of the game but the story is more about Superman's downfall

[@danyms4082]

Because it's good background footage to not to get copyright striked

[@themadtitan7603]

Chris Bale is my favorite Bruce too by default because Pattinson doesn't even have a Wayne persona yet, but once he does I'm sure he'll be both my favorite Batman AND Bruce Wayne.

[@nmd1120]

Gotta say, Batman Begins is still a better story. The Batman has an amazing atmosphere and fantastic cinematography, but the plot was kinda weak, pacing slow, and not all that engaging to me. Also wasn't as invested in the characters, and I think the writing could've been much better in that regard. I don't think it's a bad movie, but The Batman has more going in the style department than the substance department I'd say.

[@CashMoolah00]

The journey of Bruce traveling the world to try understand the ideology of criminals is probably the best aspect of Batman Begins. The reason behind why he created the Batman is so perfectly done.

[@SigalDa]

@Und3r_Bank3r exactly In the batman, it feels like Bruce doesn't know what he wants from his batman until the end of the movie but he don't play well the playboy billionaire. Why he put God demn mask if he burly go out as Bruce. Just tell the people you are batman and that's its. People will eventually know he is batman if he keep look sad and will out so often. In least Bruce of batman begins able to do this. He was playboy and batman and no one really know who is unleash if he tell clues

[@emp0rizzle]

@@CashMoolah00 the ideology of criminals is profit. You don't need to travel the world and join an Irishman's ninja circus to understand that.

[@stephenb.5304]

While I think the Batman still has a good story, I agree that Begins has a better one. While I think the criticisms for TB's 3rd act are overblown, I also think it didn't have a great transition from Falcone's death into the final set piece, resulting in it feeling a bit added on. BB's third act meanwhile felt truly built into and a extremely satisfying finale to his origin story where he fully becomes the hero that he set out to be. Either way both of these movies are awesome and are definitely in my top 3 Batman movies.

[@prabeshgurung1067]

@@SigalDa here’s the thing, if he reveals he’s Batman, one, he’s prone to police arrest etc. and tons of charges and all. And two, he loses the mythical factor of Batman. And he isn’t Batman yet, because, this one has been caught on the whole vengeance thing, he hasn’t thought about the hope yet. Bruce is like the hope part, being a tangible person for the people. This is just a growth for him.

[@rp1692]

I think a recency bias is at work in people's evaluations and in some years ' time people will favour Batman Begins more. I've noticed over the years that when there's a well-executed reboot, for a while everyone is convinced it's much better than everything that went before, but in time you get a more balanced appraisal. E.g. after Amazing Spider-Man was released and people were dissing the Maguire Spider-Man, and then Homecoming came out and people said it was the best yet, but in time people reached a more balanced view and many people will now defend Maguire and Garfield's portrayals.

[@santanu-fr]

Exactly.

[@kuhanblock9380]

I gotta disagree with you about TASM. Everyone was dissing TASM, calling it a Dark Knight wannabe and absolutely shat on the Spidey suit. If anything the Maguire movies got more love after TASM came out and everyone started worshipping the Maguire movies even more after TASM 2

[@arshitmangi4783]

@@kuhanblock9380 wow no one gave a fk about you for 4 months. Congrats , such a waste of time you really writing all this thinking anyone will really read it.

[@kuhanblock9380]

@@arshitmangi4783 I don't live my life everyday dreaming about people replying to my comments 😂. That may be a you thing but it's definitely not a part of me

[@luciusnguyen2449]

It's hard to compare. Batman Begins is the most well-made origin of Batman while The Batman is the most well made movie about Batman

[@elfsieben1450]

Perfect points perfectly put! I would add: "Batman Returns" is the most well-made movie about the iconicity of Gotham City and its outstandingly outlandish citizens. "Joker" is the most well-made movie about the corrupting influence of Gotham City on its everyday normal citizens.

[@elfsieben1450]

@Benji 64 I really LOVE Heath Ledger as the Joker in "The Dark Knight". The film itself I mostly enjoyed, but "Batman Begins" seemed more consistent to me as a movie.

[@elfsieben1450]

@Benji 64 I have to agree, The Batman is really a good film when it comes to understanding the trauma and the motivation that drives Batman, and it is also a good film about him trying to find his role beyond just the tactical aspect.

[@Chris-gw2xg]

Batman begins is still the best batman movie out there for me.

[@cydra_infinity1423]

Yeah it’s the best Bruce Wayne on screen yet.

[@carynwitthoft4178]

I love Batman’s voice in Batman begins, when he speaks really harshly thugs but when he speak to people like Rachel his tone is a little calmer

[@kennyho1551]

Batman Begins has the better soundtrack for sure

[@natwalsh2710]

I love both soundtracks

[@beatsbydonjulio401]

This new soundtrack slaps

[@Alpha-bt9bh]

@@beatsbydonjulio401 It does, the main theme specifically. Batman Begins just has the superior OST

[@MrAllnvme]

I agree, it was one of the greatest soundtracks period - how he can give the prize to the Batman is beyond me. Literally just a remake of nirvana and Star Wars lol

[@elfsieben1450]

Both work terrifically well towards their own end.

[@3Rayfire]

Batman Begins had a legendarily difficult challenge to accomplish. It had to drag the franchise out of the pit Batman & Robin left it in. And it did so brilliantly. I'm an oddball as I prefer Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises to The Dark Knight. 1 and 3 are Batman movies, 2 is a Joker movie. It's the best made of the trilogy, but I still prefer the first and last. I feel like The Batman surpasses the trilogy, especially in terms of being a Batman film. And this film also has by far the best character development for the main character. One detail that I like and seems like a beautiful multiversal nod, is how The Batman picks up basically where The Dark Knight Rises left off. Part of The Dark Knight Trilogy's denouement is Bruce's will stating that Wayne Manor will become an orphanage for at risk youth. A key component of The Batman's plot is what went on at the Wayne Manor Orphanage, with no Wayne to watch over it.

[@McDonald_Mando]

I prefer the Batman, but during the car chase there was a point where i lost track of what was happening because of the amount of cuts. But I also prefer how they handled the batmobile over what they did in Batman begins

[@McDonald_Mando]

Also how come the most “grounded” batmobile is the furthest from a car

[@stevenmark4407]

How did you feel lost it was such a clear chase with little cuts that would cause confusion but ok

[@barry2349]

There were no cuts in that scene dude

[@McDonald_Mando]

@@barry2349 when penguin causes the trucks to hit each other, there’s so many cuts

[@onick9250]

@@McDonald_Mando it felt normal to me you can see him inside the car

[@samuraijackoff5354]

Begins is a good action movie, The batman to me feels like a good comic batman movie.

[@Nicholas_Adrian85]

I think “The Batman” is a ok movie. What I don’t understand is why this movie is praised as the greatest Batman movie ever. People refer to the detective element when talking about the greatness of the film. It’s just difficult to agree with this notion when during Batman’s investigation he’s always two steps behind Riddler. Batman doesn’t come off as intelligent at all. The first riddle i solved faster than Batman. In fact the officer standing guard at Riddler’s apt is smarter than Batman. He’s the real hero of the story. If it wasn’t for him the casualties at the Sports Arena would’ve been higher. The only praise I have for the Batman is Gotham city and cinematography.

[@kuhanblock9380]

The way I see it, is if he's able to solve everything in like an hour that leaves no room for character growth. Remember he's only in his second year as Batman, he's supposed to be rough around the edges and constantly making mistakes. For example, the Batman we all know wouldn't just stand there while people shot at him, he'd be dodging and taking out the bad guys with surgical precision, something this Batman has yet to learn. He also went too far when he beat up the fake Riddler, something that I'm willing to bet will happen again but he will show more restraint

[@Lone432345]

Frankly his detective skills don't even matter in this movie. Because he doesn't he doesn't catch the Riddler. Because the Riddler lets himself get caught and he doesn't stop the Riddler plan to save the city.

[@Nicholas_Adrian85]

@@kuhanblock9380 I understand your point. I get what Reeves was doing. We are seeing Batman fail and mess up as he’s growing at Gothams protector. Honestly it’s done kinda boring. Comparing it to Batman begins, which I think is the best “Batman movie”. Bale’s Batman is a more proficient Batman and it’s his first year. I don’t dislike “The Batman.” It’s a solid Batman story. I think I may have went in with too high expectations. I think the detective-ing was mediocre & the movie was too long.

[@JDMEXforme]

Nolans version is still the go to for conversations at parties dinners clubs everywhere. Nobody mentions The Batman. Like its a ghost movie. Nolans version is like a true adventure of Bruce Wayne, we see him become Batman and thats more important to me and literally everyone else too. The Batman was like wtf did i just watch. Nothing stood out except for the cafe racer style motorcycles.

[@spider-man500]

I prefer The Batman. Heck, it's my favourite Batman movie

[@themadtitan7603]

Agreed, the argument of what's the best overall film starring the character will always rage on, but The Batman is easily the most definitive live-action Batman movie imo.

[@kaizz.wrld.3]

@@themadtitan7603 Dark Knight>

[@gapplejuice6012]

@FXN Hooper opinion

[@kaizz.wrld.3]

@@gapplejuice6012 fact

[@spider-man500]

@@kaizz.wrld.3 Hell no. If you read the comics and watched the Animated Series, then you would know that The Batman is the most faithful Live Action Adaption of the character ever. Don't let you biasiam for The Dark Knight influence you to think otherwise.

[@rickrivers2021]

I like the characters and general look of the movie better for The Batman, but for some reason Batman Begins is just more enjoyable for me. I think it might be the pacing. With Batman confronting the Riddler at Arkham, I was thinking 'this is great, they're about to tie it all together'. And then it just dragged on and took detours I felt were less climactic or exciting.

[@sheriffdraws8789]

The Batman was such a bore. Second most disappointing movie ever with The Last Jedi being first. I prefer Batman Begins a gazillion times over.

[@elfsieben1450]

Not until the verbal confrontation between the Batman and the Riddler in Arkham Asylum did I realise that just as Riddler had fooled Batman the detective plot had fooled me into thinking that the showdown would be between these two characters. But really it was to be a showdown between Bruce and Vengeance. Once I realized that this is what this film is about I was eager to watch how the main theme would play out with the red herring out of the way. The film's tragic coda, Batman sacrificing Bruce's private needs once again in order to fully become "The Batman" was the perfect ending for me.

[@rickrivers2021]

@@elfsieben1450 Glad you liked it, but I honestly feel they could've tied the thing together more quickly and still communicated the message just fine.

[@elfsieben1450]

@@rickrivers2021 Yeah, I do like slowburning movies very much, so I might be biased, going in with other expectations than most movie goers. I like "Batman Begins" just as much, for other reasons, as it cuts straight to the action, lets us see Batman as he wants to be (not) seen by his foes, more tactical, professional, balanced and self-assured, yet it delves into the problems of juggling two adopted personae, and just like "The Batman" it has a great cast, many references to the comics, but combines several influences so it has its own story to tell.

[@lancevangen6485]

Batman Begins 10/10 Dark knight 9/10 Dark knight rises 8/10 The Batman 8.5/10 Batman vs Superman 8/10 Batman Returns 7/10 Batman forever 6.5/10 Batman 6/10 Rest are fail!!!

[@3Rayfire]

Hans Zimmer intentionally left Batman's theme incomplete in Batman Begins, as he felt that he was still earning his theme song.

[@jagdeishwarmagendran3395]

I think The Batman is way better. Its felt more grounded, less dialog for Batman, lesser gadgets tho, but it suits this dark movie better. He is also more of an Amature compared to Christian Bale's Batman who is not very skilled in a fight as shown in the movie. He also dosen't take over his company but still benefits from his inheritance in this movie so that will also explain his simple yet expensive suit and black bulletproof sports car. I also like that this Batman is way darker as he always refere to himself as vengance rather then Batman. Even the criminals call him vengence insted of Batman. He may alsk be a virgin as he always stays isolated from everyone, including alfred. Its just amazing to have a very different take on Batman.

[@themadtitan7603]

I couldn't agree more, to me Batman Begins was only the best Batman movie to me by default since other ones tended to push Batman to the side in favor of the villains and plot. After watching The Batman, Begins seems pedestrian by comparison; no other movie in the franchise gave me that POV detective-noir aspect, the moody and introspective narration, and other than (Burton/Schumacher and Begins to an extent) a gothic and stylized Gotham while still feeling grounded in modern day, and an in-depth exploration of its mythology and power shift from mobsters and gangsters to costumed villains with grand titles, an idea explored in The Long Halloween.

[@themadtitan7603]

In Batman Begins, Bruce returns to Gotham already mentally put together with virtues of patience and how to control his anger, while this Batman is learning all these lessons as he goes in his time under the mantle.

[@srksharma8199]

Batman begins has better Bruce Wayne. The Batman has better Batman. Batman begins is the first film that made people truly understand the purpose of Batman. The Batman just took that and tried to change that a bit.

[@shavingryansprivates1938]

Matt reeves confirmed it months ago that this bruce is a virgin

[@kingkong9892]

Well hes not gonna refer to himself as vengence anymore cause that was the wrong way to go about it

[@murderface15g13]

I agree. Except for the Bruce Wayne thing. Bruce Wayne being nonexistent in The Batman was purposeful and central to the story. Bruce's depression was so deep that he wanted nothing to do with being Bruce Wayne.Thus we see his entire identity being absorbed by the Batman. Through his interaction with Alfred and Pattinson's closing monolog Bruce realizes that he must be more than Batman.

[@elfsieben1450]

I think that, while you are right, the verbal confrontations initiated by Bella Réal, Selina Kyle, the Riddler, and in the end that "I am vengeance" reply by the beat-up fanatic internet militiaman also helped Batman - in small increments - to realize that his isolationist stance, fear tactics and punishment focus will not benefit the objective of his one-man-army mission in the long run.

[@murderface15g13]

@@elfsieben1450 the fanatic internet extremists appeared to have more Antifa-like traits to me.

[@errwhattheflip]

It's not like he's nonexistent, just that he's completely different from the common trope of the billionaire playboy. You'll see Pattinson's Bruce in comics like Zero Year, albeit a bit more exaggerated

[@kuhanblock9380]

@@errwhattheflip by the end of the movie I think he realised just how much he could do with his Bruce Wayne side financially and morale. Not to mention less question marks surrounding him

[@blackwaterproduction289]

True, but by that logic, of course Batman is a better detective in the Batman because that's what the director wanted it to be 😅

[@fudgepopdog3854]

Both are good, people seem to forget what was great of the past though recency bias

[@rickrivers2021]

@Sergio Barrett I'd argue that the age and personality of each person affect both recency bias and nostalgia bias. It'll take a few years before either kind of bias doesn't muddle the conversation.

[@errwhattheflip]

There´s also nostalgia bias tbh. People often rate older movies higher because they either keep to their nostalgia bias or because said movie actually deserves that kind of hype.

[@fudgepopdog3854]

@@errwhattheflip true I was reacting to everyone saying this was the best after watching the movie

[@errwhattheflip]

@@fudgepopdog3854 It's definitely not the best, but I would put it higher than Batman Begins

[@fudgepopdog3854]

@@errwhattheflip I put them around even, I like this interpretation of batman more but Begins' version of Bruce Wayne

[@crustdraw2059]

For me, Batman Begins. Enjoyable to watch and story-wise. My opinion.

[@childhoodforever223]

"The Batman" is a very beautiful film and worthy of respect, but I'll have to give this to "Batman Begins".

[@mursaleensaleem1806]

i know its your opinion but pls stop fanboying i know its hard to swallow but the batman has already beaten nolan trilogy,the trilogy was boring the fight scenes were not good it was only good bcs of villains

[@grantkradel]

@@mursaleensaleem1806 yeah we’ll definitely have to agree to disagree with this take pale…. I like Batman begins 10 times better

[@mursaleensaleem1806]

@@grantkradel good for you, but the Batman is the real BATMAN movie

[@Chris-gw2xg]

@@mursaleensaleem1806 Good for you, begins is better and so is the dark knight. Edgy kids just like everything that‘s new and everything else thats old isn‘t cool anymore.

[@mursaleensaleem1806]

@@Chris-gw2xg lol no its you fanboys who are living in the past

[@thedarkknight5701]

I have seen Batman Begins (and The Dark Knight sequels) more times than I can count, and the film still rivets me every time I watch it. I fell asleep about halfway through The Batman 2022, and I don’t particularly care to watch it again to catch what I missed.

[@hottakestuesdays7450]

While I agree The Batman was a better film or at least equal (just barely) you are underselling Batman Begins sir. Like the score of Batman Begins is epic. Ras was amazing. Bale was incredible in the role and didn't have the really gruff Bat voice yet.

[@MrAllnvme]

I felt the same - Batman begins is one of the most under rated moves ever - the pace and soundtrack are incredible as were the villains.

[@Aidan977]

Ras wasnt that good and i found the soundtrack in the batman better

[@hottakestuesdays7450]

@@Aidan977 fair enough

[@301Made]

@@Aidan977 the sound track into he Batman was def better and so were the villains, a lot scarier and believable going up against a calm, confident as well as resourceful Batman. And the fighting in Batman begins is ridiculous, choppy and slow and one dimensional.

[@tommytomato3987]

The Batman wins for me... this is really a comparable movie sinces the creators wants it realistic this is apples to apples comparison. Fight scenes, accuracy and story.... and Batman itself...

[@dionysisnance4204]

To me the batman new movie is the best live action batman film to show is Detective skills

[@michelle2754]

The Batman 2022 is deffo better

[@theankh2872]

As someone who criticizes Nolan's take on Batman and Gotham for being too "real life-like", I honestly think you didn't do Begins justice on this video. For once, I thought Ra's Al Ghul was a better villain than the Riddler, who was excellent until his plan somehow involved flooding the city, which was by far the weakest part of the movie, all of the sudden he went from being a serial killer against the elites to a top tier terrorist, a transition which in my opinion was made very poorly. Also, Gotham was pretty good on BB, a bit cleaner than in The Batman but still recognizable as Gotham. It was TDK that tanked the city's aesthetic by being just Chicago.

[@SigalDa]

Thank you! Although I'm biased because I love the dark knight trilogy I agree with you

[@jasonalv7436]

I heavily disagree with your criticism on the Riddler, he clearly has had bad experiences with mayors who makes false promises so seeing Bella Real giving all these promises seems all too familiar. He killed the corrupt men to get to Falcone which is basically the mayor of Gotham for 20 years now with the help of Batman. He basically wants to "renew" Gotham in his own mentally broken way and it made perfect sense when you factor all he's been through. He went from a zodiac killer rip off to literally being Riddler from the comics. You may think that his change made him a less terrifying villain but I think that's kind of the point. When he wears his mask he's this mysterious killer but when you open it, he's just narcissist who also happens to be a streamer, he's a nobody. So I don't think it's a poor transition at all, just a surprise plot twist and I think the final battle is the perfect scene to conclude Batman's arc.

[@kuhanblock9380]

The flooding thing came out of left field. Riddler went on and on about how he's the little guy against the man but his big plan involved destroying the lower class that he so desperately tried to fight for

[@Alpha-bt9bh]

Batman Begins for sure. I felt it captured the essence of Batman fully. It also revived a dead franchise and is the perfect origin story in my opinion. I think Begins also has the better soundtrack

[@whistleblower1717]

Bruh no the batman captured the essence of batman fully. It was the most comic accurate. Watching the movie actually made me feel like I was reading the comics.

[@Alpha-bt9bh]

@@whistleblower1717 I felt it missed some Bruce Wayne key aspects

[@whistleblower1717]

@@Alpha-bt9bh well this batman is learning throughout the movie what kinda person/batman he wants to be. By the end of the movie he realises he needs to be a symbol of hope and he also realises that batman isn’t enough. So hes probably gonna be more of the Bruce we all know in the next movie. But Christian bale lacks the grittiness and seriousness we see as Bruce in the batman and the comics.

[@mohamedfawzy5843]

@@whistleblower1717 Yeah this version of Batman reminds me of Tom Holland's Spiderman. Both are hated by fans because of the old movies that give them nostalgia and both learn from their faults and they sacrificed everything to be what people want from them. People wanted Robert Pattinson to be a good Batman and to take care from his company as Bruce Wayne and they also wanted Tom Holland to be a real Spiderman instead of Iron Boy jr. and to be more responsible in his life as Peter Parker.

[@whistleblower1717]

@@mohamedfawzy5843 no Robert Pattinson isn’t hated as much tbh. I think a lot of ppl actually prefer his batman but not his Bruce Wayne m.

[@theawesomeduo54]

The batman begins is definitely the better film. The batman is more a love letter to noir films with a batman theme. In begins if they nuked the city that would destroy everything, the league does try in rises. The Batman has a silent festering rage, he can't hide his pain, only hold it back. Bat begins is a man who defeated himself, his parents is the reason his journey started, but he's fighting for others not just to hurt criminals to fill a void.

[@BlessMyHart96]

I’ve never been a Batman fan, but “The Batman” got me hyped. For once, I’m actually excited for the next Batman movie to come out.

[@elfsieben1450]

This is the most comic book accurate look into the psyche of Batman in a live action movie so far. Welcome to the fandom of one of the most tragic comic book crimefighter (super-/anti-) heroes!

[@jamesturpin9091]

@@elfsieben1450 yeah hes portrayed as a dedicated force of nature more than an emo in the comics. The batman is pretty but outside of that i don't see it having the weight to stand up to time. A modern aesthetic batman forever.

[@elfsieben1450]

@@jamesturpin9091 It highly depends on WHICH comic. In some he is portrayed quite as a psycho, or at least as having issues. Personally, I prefer that over a shining hero, because vigilantism demands a certain mindset, either unhinged or fascistic, and Batman is not a rightout fascist, he helps the weak.

[@jamesturpin9091]

@@elfsieben1450 i don't know if you know what fascist means but it makes no sense in this context. There's outliers for every comics hero but "the batman" wasn't true to the core comic character. Bale's batman became so absorbed he ran over cops, batfleck branded criminals and became consumed with hatred, and battinson was emo. He didn't come across as threatening, Imposing, or unhinged. He's not a psychopath like Roschack and not the peoples hero like green arrow. Batman has always been a tortured soul but pattinson came across as psychologically and mentally weak. He didn't overcome any odds or struggle with balancing his life. He only had to worry about being the batman and even then he didn't once get ahead of the villain.

[@elfsieben1450]

@@jamesturpin9091 Apparently you didn't watch The Batman at all.

[@StarBrickAnimations]

I've watched both movies and I love both of them! but, It's no contest, Batman Begins is better!

[@fedecamusso]

BATMAN BEGINS...BY FAR.

[@Aidan977]

No

[@TheDifference14]

@@Aidan977 yes

[@almond.9797]

Nah

[@ak_buckets7962]

Batman Begins: 10/10 The Batman: 10/10 The dark Knight: 11/10 These 3 are easily my 3 favourite batman movies

[@elfsieben1450]

My faves in chronological order: "Batman Returns" (1992), "Batman Begins" (2005), "The Batman" (2022).

[@S.A.N.503]

For me personally, The Batman is a better film in every single regard. And it's not even close. But I still love Batman Begins. It's such a fantastic origin film, with a much better depiction of Gotham than the movies to come after. It was a perfect start to a trilogy. But The Batman is just incredible. It fits my style of what I enjoy in films so much more, and it was genuinely the first time I felt like I was actually watching Batman from the comics on screen. I've never felt like that before, watching ANY of the Batman interpretations that came before it. I've seen it 5 times and I plan on seeing it a few more times before it leaves the theaters. It's by far my favorite Batman film. It's actually one of my favorite films period. I love and respect all the other Batman films/appearances in the past (minus Batman Forever and Batman and Robin) but, The Batman is so much better in my opinion.

[@mursaleensaleem1806]

same, and i think its a fact that batman begins have no competition over the batman,the batman is better

[@theysellsoulscheaphere8501]

@@mursaleensaleem1806 no

[@worp4406]

I know The batman has more black characters and I love that more

[@sakshamrao6581]

Batman begins's storytelling is art , I would place it above the batman

[@eliteevildarkness5830]

I was vouching for batman 2022 until I watched Batman begins again. I realised people are liking batman 2022 because of the hype and because the kind of atmosphere and aesthetics it is set in , something recently adopted by movies . Everything being dark and sad and depressing like the Joker . Was batman 2022 a bad movie? Absolutely not , it was the one of the best batman movies , felt true to comics , but did I enjoy it more than batman begins? No not much , why? Because batman 2022 although was a true batman movie , it lacked the kind of enthusiasm that batman begins had , it felt more like a detective movie ( which a true batman movie should be) but also lacked the spicyness , it felt less like a superhero movie . Do I balme Matt Reeves for it? No !!! This paradigm has been set in society that all superhero movies got to be filled with action and the villain has got to be very strong or iconic or must have some very strong principles or the hero should be very charismatic or uko the quintessential superhero type and not like a depressed normal guy who can't decide what he wants to do in life is confused between who he actually is and where he wants to find solace , Bruce Wayne in batman 2022 felt more what a normal human would go through . Anyway since we all have been wired to see superhero movies in this way batman 2022 felt a bit lackluster and it wasn't even the filmmakers fault .it is just hard to accept this new way of seeing a superhero movie . But again batman begins has its own taste just like batman 2022. Ones like jack Daniels and the other is like Johnnie Walker , you appreciate both and both have different feeling. Both are incomparable and both will age like a fine barreled whisky.

[@shabilolo3429]

Nolans batman is by far the greatest comic book adaptation ever created. Batman 2022 is a good movie but comparing it to batman begins and dark knight is kinda like comparing between some nice random fantasy movie and rord of the rings.

[@mursaleensaleem1806]

nolan batman was his own vision the batman is the best adaption

[@cristovive777jg]

I would Ras and Riddler had the same plans and motives, though. Both saw Gotham as sinful and needed to pay for said sins. One wanted it's own people to do the work via psychological toxins and the other just bombed the water fronts to flood the city.

[@DailyDoseofShortsVideos]

Yes but the riddler only killed some political figures while Ras straight up tried to “nuke “the whole place

[@cydra_infinity1423]

The riddler did more than just kill political figures. Am I wrong or didn’t he unleash criminals at the end and explode the city.

[@OmegaPictures318]

Yes both had the same motives, but their plans based on those motives differ entirely

[@kuhanblock9380]

Now that Gotham is flooded, I wonder if Killer Croc will be introduced

[@Vidzette]

My number 1 rule is to never ever compare two movies when one is still being hyped and in theaters, wait for the hype to die and then do the comparisons.

[@gamblertoguru382]

Forgive them for their eagerness. Most of them just learned what "noir" means and are in a rush to run it into the ground.

[@Vidzette]

@@gamblertoguru382 I shall forgive them, because I also didn't know what a noir movie was, even tho I absolutely adore Seven. I only used one example because I'm not a huge movies guy lol

[@RDbodybuildingreardelt]

I agree with that, the recency bias is strong with most people.

[@blackwaterproduction289]

@@gamblertoguru382 It wasn't even a cohesive noir for me, I absolutely love noir films so much one of my favorite genres out there! This movie had the potential, but it didn't deliver on that potential for me! Although I liked the movie overall and thought it was solid, but there are some frustrating flaws in there!

[@agofficial1]

Both are great in their own way, but if I had to pick one, Batman Begins takes the win for me

[@Ryjos]

I feel like some of these points should’ve gone to Batman begins. Like the score, bat mobile, etc.

[@gamblertoguru382]

I quickly realized the fix was in

[@thestarkknightreturns]

Batman Begins is the best "real world" realization of a classic Batman story with a standard, solid structure. It adapts the mainstream comic stories. BvS is a case for how successful a visually accurate Batman can also be compelling on-screen without losing gravitas. Batfleck is graphically the most comic book accurate representation of Batman so far. In turn, The Batman is a representation of one of those racy Black Label graphic novels which is push the envelope in terms of subjects, graphic scenes and character deconstruction. It's almost like the "Noel" or "Damned" stories by Lee Bermejo and Brian Azarello.

[@Anthonycheesman33]

I still think Batman begins gets Batman better than any movie to date the world is grounded but still fun .

[@BrokuTheSonofSparda]

Batman begins is way better. Batman 2022 was slow and boring half of time it’s just him staring at stuff “to show his detective abilities” and him riding his motorcycles to places

[@dimitrythomas4158]

The Batman score and theme you can’t get out of your head. You mean the imperial March? When you had Batman walking to the Darth Vader theme throughout the movie m?

[@ryszardarckontte4736]

I would say Batman Begins is the superior one.

[@howardhowdy1906]

Personally, the main flaw with The Batman was Catwoman. She was pretty much pointless to the film, and her sudden love interest with Batman felt more scripted and random than natural. I also think that Ra’s Al Ghul was a better villain than Riddler. The Riddler just suddenly went from a selective killer, only focused on killing off and exposing the elites and the politicians to a massive terrorist trying to renew Gotham by flooding it. Ra’s motive to remove the corruption from Gotham by destroying it remained consistent throughout the film. I also liked Bale’s Bruce Wayne more, but that’s an unfair comparison because Pattinson’s Bruce wasn’t supposed to be charismatic and didn’t know to be human. Batman Begins had better side characters and a better story and script, while the Batman had better cinematography and music and a better Batman and Gotham. I would say Batman Begins is better, but The Batman would beat it if it had a better Riddler and Catwoman.

[@b3gabriel66]

this video is a joke, he didn't even analyze central story points, like why exactly the batman has a better batman, and also gives the point for the story origin to the batman when it doesn't even explore it, a ''subjective'' comparison... just a lazy video.

[@davidarmstrong1491]

The repetitive theme fron The Batman better than Batman Begins. ._. Stupid video

[@dimitrythomas4158]

Because there is no theme to The Batman. It’s a weak plot but these little kids are just so amped that “he was a detective in this movie” and “and look at the visuals”. Batman Begins actually had a purpose Cinematography was great in The Batman .

[@youflatbro7498]

I don't get why one has to be better. I enjoyed them both for different reasons.

[@Coreisus]

Batman Begins didn't completely disregard three detective side... there was 1 scene where it showed him at home trying to piece together the puzzle with a bunch of pictures, but it's over as soon as it starts

[@tylergroves9049]

The Batman definitely takes the cake for me

[@worp4406]

Same I love the black characters in the film that play a major role finally some representation for once

[@DirtyDemon917]

Batman begins actually holds your attention throughout. The Batman is a snooze fest. I’m part of the general audience the Batman is meant to appeal to. Not a 40s comic book fan.

[@santanu-fr]

I enjoyed watching it the second time, but on first watch I fell asleep around 45 50

[@MattDWardell]

I just felt that The Batman was too long, which actually seemed to be the consensus as I walked out of the cinema.

[@Darkwing709]

Tim Burton’s Batman is still my favorite. Michael Keaton was the closest to the 90s cartoon version we’ve ever gotten, his personality was spot on to me, and he was intimidating without having to screw with his voice.

[@nathansmith3168]

Both are Good but Begins is a better Batman flick, "The Batman" however is a true Batman adaptation. Although Batman had to use his resources by connecting with others and not so much a detective (in Begins), I believe he was the smarter fighter. Pattinson's Batman was very (mind-numbingly) careless with how he engaged criminals. The Iceberg lounge for example; going in through the front door full of criminals is ridiculous! He got shot more times than any Batman I've seen on screen. It was terrible, but still better fighting than BB, but TDK club scene was better and showed how to approach it. The Batman villains are actually created by his presence and not by terrible back stories of a villain, struggles, and/or the state of Gotham, which should not be the case. That said, 'The Batman' is a great Comic-like Batman experience as well as Batman Begins. BB just does it for me. Gordon: "You're just one man?" Ninja Ski Mask Wayne: "Now we're two" still gives me chills!

[@joshuaalejandro42]

Batman begins shouldn’t be compared to the new Batman movie. One is an origin story the other shows an experienced/ not so experienced Batman. This is his second year. A better comparison should be with the Dark knight. We could say that Batman is around his second year in this movie.

[@mojosiesta9821]

That's not fair though TDK is a tier above the Batman, like the Batman is a 82/100 and TDK is like a 96/100 lol

[@mojosiesta9821]

When it's all said and done I wonder which trilogy will be better, so far it's a good start for Matt reeves

[@achyuththouta6957]

Just accept that Batman Begins is not as good as Batman 2022. Don't make excuses.

[@achyuththouta6957]

@@mojosiesta9821You're wrong. The Batman is 100/100. TDK is more like 95/100. These are facts.

[@achyuththouta6957]

@@mojosiesta9821 You're both wrong.

[@dlock3tt]

Tim Burton gave us the blueprint of what Batman should be and what most fail to realize is Batman creator Bob Kane was still alive at the time. HE was able to oversee the film the way Stan Lee was able to oversee the Marvel films. Therefore the creator himself was able to set the tone aside from the campy takes on his character. Chris Nolan set the new tone and Matt Reeves told a story set in the new Batman era. I almost see it as they all do their part in telling one of many stories for the character and doing so in the way that is a staple in each of their own film styles. I love it, I want more takes and serious film producers to tackle their Batman story. I know we have to compare the Batmen in the suits but the story and the way they are told is what pulls me in. I admire these producers aside from Batman but watching them do my favorite character is awesome.

[@elfsieben1450]

Whose take(s) on the Batman would you love to see? I'd be all excited for Batman films by - Paul Thomas Anderson - Wes Anderson - Darren Aronofsky - Kathryn Bigelow - John Carpenter - Francis Ford Coppola - Panos Cosmatos - David Cronenberg - Tom DiCillo - Terry Gilliam - Michel Gondry - Jim Jarmusch - Jean-Pierre Jeunet - Spike Jonze - Takeshi Kitano - Giorgos Lanthimos - George Miller - Alex Proyas - Marjane Satrapi - Céline Sciamma - Paul Verhoeven - Cathy Yan

[@shireenmallohe5512]

The dark knight is the best batman movie🔥🔥🔥

[@juliobenavides3821]

no

[@shireenmallohe5512]

@@juliobenavides3821 yes

[@noahharris6724]

I think The Batman is better. Also, are you still planning on doing live streams of Batman: The Enemy Within?

[@joebuck4957]

My take is Bruce has a much richer and deeper character arc in BB. The audience is involved with that human. Pattinson's batman is just a headstrong badass who hardly ever talks and I dont care about the protagonist in a meaningful way. Hes like fucking John Wick. No matter how well the movie is executed with action or style or details I dont feel as invested. And of course lol at the soundtrack. BB by a mile. Iconic.

[@calebisdisposable]

No he doesn’t.

[@Patrick-nq9ij]

It was said that Rob's Batman is like Kurt Cobain being a reclusive rockstar. So yours wasn't far off

[@SigalDa]

What are you talk about? The soundtrack of batman begins and entire dark knight trilogy is masterpiece!

[@grandsonofvader]

Style: The Batman Batman: The Batman Bruce Wayne: Batman Begins Villains: Batman Begins Gotham: The Batman Origins: Batman Begins Action: The Batman Batmobile: Batman Begins Overall: Batman Begins

[@aaronlouis6055]

Tbh I like riddler more then ra’s al ghoul

[@aaronlouis6055]

Don’t you mean overall tie?

[@rickrivers2021]

@@aaronlouis6055 I agree, and I like BB overall more

[@RDbodybuildingreardelt]

Style: Batman Beings

[@aaronlouis6055]

@@RDbodybuildingreardelt nah the batman had a better style and look

[@RDbodybuildingreardelt]

Come on people you really think The Batman had a better script than Batman Begins? There are things better in The Batman like fight scenes but the script is what makes a movie great and Begins just had a far superior script.

[@nate1735]

Agreed

[@jasonalv7436]

ehhh nahh

[@gaenaegga]

I prefer batman begins as it has the better writing and casting, but i would prefer the batman depiction of early bruce way better than begins

[@bronnyz0z0]

The Batman is definitely way better than Batman begins and now i hope Matt Reeves gonna give us better trilogy

[@jamesturpin9091]

"The batman" to me seemed likr a modern day "avatar". Its a very pretty movie that takes advantage of modern technology and methods but it lacks depth. You'll see people getting mad at anyone pointing out that the emperor doesn't have clothes but i don't see this film standing the test of time. Much like "batman forever" it is flashy and well received but fails to have the character development, concise writing, or depth to have a lasting endearment.

[@BatmanisBatman]

It's clear this video has recency bias and the comparisons are lack luster and laughable. The origin of batman is 100x better in begins and anyone with common sense would agree. Batman begins and The batman both are great films are both have their flaws, I would say they are equal in terms of ratings. Let's see if The batman's sequel can compare to the the dark knight.

[@Darkhonor21]

I love them both! Big Batman fan here, no hate on any of the movies. Batman Begins is more of a Bruce Wayne story while The Batman is more of a Batman story.

[@prabeshgurung1067]

I can and will never choose between these 2 as while they may touch on the same things at many points, they both are so different in not just the interpretation but vision. I love The Batman over Nolan’s only because it does what I’ve always wanted in a live action film. But I still won’t disregard Nolan’s trilogy, and so can’t say it is worse.

[@fixpontt]

this is an anti-intellectual surface level take on both of these movies missing the entire subtext in both cases while the real comparison should have started there, not even touching the core philosophical and ideological differences the movies were built upon is a real crime, i mean you like what you like but i learnt nothing from this video

[@Facade953]

Batman Begins by far! Better actors, better script, better villains, WAY better batsuit, better...EVERYTHING!

[@tobias9246]

Not better batsuit, or better villains.

[@Chris-qo4rt]

The Batman had a really cool tone and atmosphere and it probably has my favorite depiction of Gotham and Batmobile but i felt the big reveal was kinda underwhelming... "Wait you're telling me the big bad mob boss Falcone was behind everything all the time? You don't say?" also in the third act they made Riddler go from a somewhat sympathetic and interesting villain to someone who just wants to kill everyone. They also brushed off the Thomas Wayne corruption storyline pretty fast when it could've made the dilemma of being Batman more interesting.

[@georgevelazquez3400]

Recency bias in a nutshell

[@rakeshchettri9956]

Or maybe he just has an opinion

[@Blue-ce8io]

I watched this movie and watched begins after and I preferred most aspects of The Batman for sure. Tbh it really just depends on taste and what people enjoy.

[@JG-nk7ld]

So the batmobile in the batman is more "believeable" to you? How on earth would a car with a completely exposed engine be able to operate in a city with terrential downpour every single night while driving it around? Anyone walking up to the car could just start trashing the engine. You really need to use the same biased critisism you have for begins for this movie.

[@St3phenking13]

This is a better comparison considering that Batman begins was the first of the Nolan Trilogy and The Batman is just the beginning of Matt Reeve's Trilogy.

[@VVEditzYT]

I feel like both movies are similar, but when you think about it, the Batman is just better

[@TarnishedTargaryen]

i had no problem with bruce wayne not acting like a rich billionare playboy its different

[@cydra_infinity1423]

Different isn’t better.

[@brace4impact258]

@@cydra_infinity1423 agreed

[@AtticTapes14]

The Batman is boring as heck, albeit a few goood scenes. Batman 2005 has epic music, epic dialogue, epic everything. It wasnt Pattison as Batman itself that was dull. It was the boring movie overall.

[@cydra_infinity1423]

Batman Begins 💯

[@avace917]

I personally like Begins more than any other live action Batman movie. I wasn't crazy about The Batman when it first came out. I'm in the middle of it now and I realize why I didn't like it. I'm not a serious comic reader and that movie has the pacing of a comic. More Noir if nothing else. Begins moves like a cop movie with a ninja dressed like Batman. I still love that more though.

[@Scifi4life]

Batman Begins is better.

[@jennav2063]

Nah

[@Scifi4life]

@@jennav2063 yeah

[@jennav2063]

@@Scifi4life it’s good but The Batman feels even more close to the comics

[@Patrick-nq9ij]

@@jennav2063 absolutely

[@301Made]

@@jennav2063 yup

[@Dhdgcvnnnfx]

I like the train montage in batman begin and how they showed Bruce become the batman I wished they did that for the batman 2022

[@CashMoolah00]

Batman Begins gets the edge, it’s the perfect origin for Batman/Bruce Wayne. The Batman makes Bruce irrelevant and is basically a origin story about the purpose of Batman.

[@jennav2063]

It doesn’t make Bruce Wayne irrelevant tho, I’m pretty sure Matt Reeves is building up to that Bruce Wayne persona that we all know and love from the comics for the next movies.

[@Patrick-nq9ij]

Well definitely see more of Bruce Wayne's side in the sequels

[@Aidan977]

Bro thats the point, there is no bruce wayne in the batman only batman

[@ievmotron]

U can’t compare begins to the Batman , as the timeline placement is in two separate phases of Batman’s story, one is an origin story and the other is his second year as the bat

[@brotherjoll1802]

I feel like both are top tier Batman movies of the last decade

[@Zapruder1984]

I've loved Batman most of my life, but I've watched "The Batman" only once. It was fine, but I don't know, I just don't desire to go back to it. 3 hours with a lot of exposition can really just drag on. Bale's Batman and Bruce had me rooting for him more. More invested in him and what he was trying to do. The world they've made here is just too drab and uniform and conventional for me. I want villains with more theatricality and contrast with Batman visually. I just want to feel some wonder and some thrills when watching a Batman movie, and this gave me too little of that - Batman is a more grounded superhero, but he's still a superhero.

[@masonyoung7834]

You got the wrong suit for Batman begins

[@samuelanandan4392]

Who’s the better Bond? Who’s the better doctor (from doctor who)? There is no definitive answer. Some could even argue for Kilmer or Clooney because that’s the Batman they like. While I agree with you in preference for Reeves’s take, the Nolan trilogy is a masterpiece of superhero storytelling, even in light of the MCU. Different strokes for different folks. But I think we can all objectively say that both directors have done amazing work with their vision of the character.

[@ayush9534]

Honestly i always prefer batman begins over the dark knight. The dark knight is more of an mission impossible movie with 3 main character being blend so well and have sort of their own morals with a conclusive ending. U can say its a better overall movie, but just talking about batman movie, batman begins take W by good margin. Even Quentin Tarantino told in one interview that he prefers begins over dark knight. But still my fav is the batman, it was actually a batman movie where we can literally feels batman perspective in whole 3 hour movie constantly and it touches the side which was untold till now That what consequences,fear and impact bruce hold over his past grief where we saw Pattinson covering a whole arc from being a furious viggillante, vengeance to a symbol of hope which was blend with story beautifully by mat reeves, my fav scene was his encounter vs riddler when riddler said we are not different, u inspired me! 😅 Also reeves picked the best villan to show a noir detective story which compliments david fincher vibes with batman darkness and specially with gotham which was missing in nolans triology.