The Batman 2022 vs. The Dark Knight 2008: The Ultimate Showdown | Which is the Best Batman Movie?

In this hot-take debate video, we delve into the ultimate debate of which Batman movie reigns supreme: "The Batman" (2022) or "The Dark Knight" (2008). Comparing these two iconic films to determine which one deserves the crown as the best Batman movie. "The Batman" is a fresh take on the character, exploring his early crime-fighting years in a gritty and noir-inspired Gotham City. Meanwhile, "The Dark Knight" stands as a timeless masterpiece, showcasing an intense battle between Batman and the legendary Joker, portrayed by Heath Ledger. Join us as we evaluate various aspects I picked out to compare, villains, action sequences, bat tech etc...
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[@Howesenberg]

Please keep in mind, this is just my experience of both movies. You're not wrong for liking one more than the other. This video was to explain why some people (myself included) had a better time with The Dark Knight. My points don't go in depth enough to explain every little detail and how I interpreted them but I hope you can be mature enough to accept the idea that the stats don't lie. My poll and the IMDB ratings are more than enough to point out that not everyone feels the same way. There is no such thing as a 'Best Batman movie' that is objectively impossible, there is only your opinion on the matter. By all means you can criticise my points but try to keep in mind the other things I say in this video.

[@nuao88]

Love your content Howesenberg, keep it up man you'll be at a million subs in no time 🔥

[@loulabelle5082]

I've not seen The Batman yet so can't really comment. Tbh, I hate super hero films, I'm no comic book fan and I get bored with over the top CGI films. The Dark Knight is watchable, it's well acted and I think Ledgers great in it. It's not like the typical superhero movie at all, it's just a good, dark film. Best of all, for me, is The Joker. It's more of a character study. I can rewatch it over and over just for Joaquin Phoenix and his mesmerising acting.

[@lostopportunity4701]

That's the point of it all. We can all have our opinions, and your assessment is valid. For only 5 factors it was coherent, objective, and well written. I would enjoy a friendly debate with you over some beers anyday.

[@HILAL19564]

Sorry but I can't name a single thing the batman did better than the dark knight.. And not even batman begins and the dark knight rises. All 3 far more superior than the batman. The dark knight is one of the best and critically one of the best movies ever made. The batman isn't even in the discussion. It is the second best after the trilogy but far behind as a second best

[@billmurari436]

Regarding factor 2, Pattison’s Batcave is located in an abandoned train station. If I’m not mistaken, these facilities are government owned so the fact that no one has come in to shut down his operation probably means that he probably bought an abandoned train station which won’t make any money or he paid off the authorities to look away. Sounds pretty billionaire-esque to me

[@Howesenberg]

A fine theory, that would have been factored in had the movie told us this first hand

[@Howesenberg]

No, but you can't add speculation to such a level. Otherwise what's stopping me saying Batman was actually in a gay relationship with the police chief and that's why he's allowed to keep his bat cave. Show don't tell relies on you at least having the show part.

[@jeppeboe9645]

Pretty sure it was for the Waynes only so it was a private train station that Bruce adapted as he's batcave

[@callum2lithgow295]

@@Howesenberg bro what

[@TheJandEproductionz]

@@Howesenberg its "show dont tell" for his lore accurate batcave,,,, but when you say "the joker tells all these different stories to show what abuse can do to a man" that is somehow not you projecting plot and meaning to something not even hinted at in the movie?

[@conorhamersleyspage8173]

The big diffrence between the villains in these films is that The Joker in The Dark Knight is a Redditor and The Ridler in The Batman is a Twitch user

[@Howesenberg]

Wait until they meet a Discord mod

[@nukleer204]

@@Howesenberg Atoman?

[@loulabelle5082]

I wish I understood what that means!

[@Bilndmann]

Pretty sure the riddler is like canonically a 4chan user

[@conorhamersleyspage8173]

@@Bilndmann he could be both

[@crimsonshifter5338]

Personally I loved the Riddler, him getting revealed as a loser with glasses was the point of his character. He talks about how the mask gave him power, and allowed him to act as his true self. However, when he gets unmask we're supposed to see how pathetic he really was. There is a power that comes from being anonymous and Riddler fully embraced the power he got from it.

[@Johnnysmithy24]

Exactly

[@thisthesd5313]

Both batman versions are excellent in their own ways, I think both bats have different meanings and a purpose so I love them equally 🙂

[@Howesenberg]

I agree, which is the reason why they scored so similarly.

[@liadewisusilowati3741]

me too

[@davidfeltheim2501]

The Batman is a noir crime film while The Dark Knight is an action thriller

[@drocadile8845]

I feel like The Dark Knight is overall better movie while The Batman is a better Batman specific movie. The Batman makes Batman feel like a growing world's greatest detective while Dark Knight just makes Batman feel like a vigilante who has a friend in the nearest mercenary group.

[@hang-solo]

That’s basically the perfect way to put it imo

[@AndThenShwarmaAfter]

oh ye The Batman looks like such an amazing world's greatest detective 😂😂😂

[@datdude3327]

the reason Bruce in The Batman isn’t the lavish billionaire playboy we typically know him as, is because he’s new to being a vigilante and hasn’t yet mastered doing good with both his regular self and his alter-ego. I think lines like ‘you really could be doing more for this city’ hint at Bruce becoming more in touch with his highly respected philanthropist side in the second movie.

[@dr.calamity2079]

The Batman's batman has been batmanning for 2 years bro. That should be enough time to balance out the 2 sides. I'm pretty sure the reason why is just that he's been getting more and more obsessed with being batman rather than bruce wayne. Pretty sure that was pointed out in the movie, but I haven't watched it in a while, so I could be making things up

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

But that's the thing he spent all those years training mastering combat, S.T.E.M, Espionage, and acting skills. So every Batman virtually should be a finished product by the time he has started operating as Batman.

[@datdude3327]

@@dr.calamity2079 I should’ve said that this Bruce Wayne is noticeably younger than Bale’s, suggesting why he isn’t as in touch with being the spotlight billionaire.

[@jeux2322]

@@FriendlyBatDoom we don’t know his training in this tho. for all we know this Batman didn’t practice his acting or anything like that.

[@thomasmoran8958]

I would've also judged both of them based on how they portrayed the city of Gotham. The Dark Knight's Gotham was cool but I really really liked how The Batman's Gotham was portrayed. It's so dark and cool.

[@GhostTransit]

But neither can come close to the best Batman movie, The Lego Batman Movie

[@mrmills1297]

W

[@SathishKumar-sk8fe]

Opinion on Nolan's batman is always influenced by his three movies, whereas Matt Reeves has only one movie right now. Maybe after two more movies from Reeves we may get better picture.

[@seanbrazell7095]

If ever there was a cinematic comparison that would be like an immovable object meeting an unstoppable force, these would be the ones! 😉

[@donamesevenmatter9869]

i think the riddler singing ave maria, isnt supposed to be "creepy or intimidating". i think he sees it as this badass move in his head when it rly isnt, the riddler lives in a complete delusional fantasy where he believes batman is on his side. i can totally imagine edward nashton seeing edgy video on 4chan and thinking "i should do that" and if u look at most of paul danos characters hes played. theyre almost all socially inept "losers"

[@_ericplace]

Criterion #6: How immersive were the streets and set piece locations of Gotham? That’s where The Batman shines (albeit shining in darkness). I still think TDK is a better film, but if we add in the 10-8 I’m proposing to The Batman, then it’s 49-43, TDK. 41/33 = TDK is 24% better… 49/43 = TDK is 14% better, which feels more appropriate to me.

[@Howesenberg]

If I see more than 3 numbers on a screen I get donkey brains. Yes visually speaking The Batman had everything going for it, but I'm simply not as entertained by the story.

[@sproge2142]

Great stuff as always, love the fact that you weren't constricted by thinking about "spoilers"

[@dg9776]

yeah The Batman is a better Batman movie while The Dark Knight is a better movie overall imo

[@dg9776]

and TDKs Gotham doesnt feel like Gotham at all, its too "bright"

[@dabloons4days]

i really don’t get why people dislike the patterson hair so much, i don’t think it’s meant to be such an important thing to focus on.

[@DancingPeterParker]

love u howesenberg keep uploading 😌😌

[@stoisch]

Was excited for this one, keep up the good work!

[@Howesenberg]

Thank you so much!

[@bruhfis786]

Some people seem to forget that The Batman takes place in Bruce's 2nd year as batman. He doesn't have all of this fancy tech yet and a pimped out cave and stuff because he is still working on everything. Compared to Bale who'd Bruce is well over that 2nd year point in his career in fighting crime. It also portrays Gotham realistically as a full of criminals and psychopaths

[@youtrades]

Super thankful for this! I had literally avoided watching these to experience them when I had time, and I had not gotten back to them!!

[@ROCK_UNIVERSE97]

The Dark Knight best villain, The Batman 2022 best Batman.

[@anwzdewan6969]

In short, Dark Knight is a better movie The Batman is a better batman movie

[@Howesenberg]

This is one reason why I prefer TDK, I'm a movie enthusiast first and foremost. I like Batman, but I'm nowhere near being a person who knows even 10% of Batman lore.

[@Chris-qo4rt]

I would even make that case for Batman Begins, better Batman movie but TDK is just an amazing movie in general!

[@shrekisagod7802]

Personally i like the Batman movie because its a bit more scarier and more realistic

[@Howesenberg]

That's fair

[@melwinbrannert5023]

I've been waiting for this video and I was so happy when I saw that you had uploaded . this made my day. thank you so much you are the best. I hope you have a good day my friend

[@Howesenberg]

That's awesome, thank you my friend

[@nickstamp2242]

I love your videos!

[@mrheru8627]

this is solely my own opinion, battinson edging on baleman, because he made his gadgets alone along with his batmobile, no waynetech division and lucius fox this time... and i love his LV 0 glider suit

[@FreemanWelterweight]

9:46 I will never be able to watch this scene again without thinking of Bruce's weak clutch game thanks to you

[@Howesenberg]

Typical city boy doesn't know how to work a manual 😎

[@FreemanWelterweight]

@@Howesenberg It can be cruel, poetic or blind. But when it's in third gear, it's your engine you may stall.

[@emilykeepsmiling9465]

😂😂 how could you think of anything else while watching this scene though?! Said I'm just, not being rude. Your comment made me laugh 😁

[@Drivennt]

Wtf you dont have more subs this channel is incredible

[@Howesenberg]

Thank you very much!

[@stoisch]

Which one do you find visually more pleasing? Like in terms of cinematography, colors, the look of Gotham, etc.

[@Howesenberg]

Definitely The Batman, it's a great looking movie. Unfortunately I value other elements higher.

[@dachief5862]

I watched all ur vids and this one is my favorite

[@Howesenberg]

Thank you!

[@user-dy2km3yy8x]

All i have to say is The Dark Knight is a Joker movie and The Batman is a Batman movie

[@cerealboss425]

Although I think I audibly laughed with my friend in the theater when we saw riddler unmasked Gotham feels so gritty the movie nails how big of a shithole that Gotham is.

[@Meechy37]

The only disagreement I have worth mentioning is that I think Paul Dano is perfect for this role. I don't mind that he's not scary without the mask. I think it's more realistic for the type of villain he is. A reclusive geeky character who needs to find other ways to be scary because he's not physically intimidating.

[@DineshSingh-pr4ij]

They're so different but similar at the same time. I think they're both masterpieces in their own sense

[@anthonyhamlin16]

How tf is The Batman a masterpiece?

[@DineshSingh-pr4ij]

@@anthonyhamlin16 the acting, cinematography and choreography.

[@social_exe]

Can you please make a video about Better Call Saul, but within the same style as your Breaking Bad video once the series finishes?

[@Howesenberg]

Yes I am going to start working on that after I finish Malcolm in the Middle

[@social_exe]

@@Howesenberg 🤯

[@Dresfyb]

Also a batman movie needs a loving and caring Alfred which both movies has but let's be real nothing beats Michael Caine but I still like Andy Serkis's version alot

[@Grapenugget]

good vibeo 👍

[@OLDSACKS]

9:49 That's a burner pop. Top fuel dragsters and Funny Cars do it often, but you do raise a big issue there. The sound designers misplaced their suspenseful silence here, this should be *notoriously* loud.

[@sodadrink8363]

9:50 i disagree with your take here, it comes across as more of a scare tactic or a way of saying “come get some!” to me. it’s almost like a chained up animal lurching at you, which i think is fitting for this version of the batmobile. i also actually really like how this batmobile looks much less refined than the tumbler, it feels less like a transformer and more like a hell beast, like freddy krueger in car form.

[@Howesenberg]

I see your point, my perspective however is that The Batman was initiating a chase so giving them a false start lurch makes no sense. To the best of my knowledge, In the animal kingdom a lurch forward (like a big cat for example) is a territory intimidation tactic or asserting dominance other a rival male, neither of which apply to the chase scene in my opinion.

[@emilykeepsmiling9465]

I like your perspective on this. After reading your comment I went and watched the scene again to see if I could agree with you. And with the utmost respect, I can't 😂 sorry! I'm really glad that scene worked for you though, just goes to show, different strokes ☺️

[@robertcollins4919]

I dont think he stalled the engine. In drag racing you have to do a slight burn out to get the tires warm so you have more traction. I like to think he was doing that because he knew he was about to have to chase penguin. Also it'd be terrifying to see that coming at you

[@spencerthestupidsamurai7326]

They’re both so different that comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges because they’re both round and fruits, they’re similar on the surface but are very different.

[@nickstamp2242]

Hearing the shriek of that afterburner in the batmobile in the cinema gave me chills. Putting myself into the penguins shoes, I was genuinely afraid!

[@andrei5344]

When I watch TDK my heart never stops beating quick af but I almost felt asleep in the cinema when I watched the batman

[@jessegriffin9]

Howesenberg do you like Dexter? I want your narration for Dexter like you did BrB

[@Howesenberg]

Never made it past the first season, I was enjoying it but I feel off watching over stuff and never hopped back on it. Maybe I'll cover it one day.

[@jessegriffin9]

@@Howesenberg Thanks man.

[@whocares3138]

I prefer The Batman because it is a lot more focused on Batman and The Dark Knight feels a bit too bloated.

[@Howesenberg]

That's fair enough

[@cptnd3851]

The Batman 2022 was intentionally trying to dismantle Batman as a character, declaw him and render him obsolete. This was an intentional choice, and it *really* detracted from the movie. It made him impotent as a detective, because every important clue he discovered was just mentioned in passing by another character, he couldn't figure anything out himself even until the very end. Batman lost, completely- he was always one step behind and very narrowly avoided tens of thousands of dead civilians. The final scenes of the movie were essentially telling Batman to 'stand down' and just be some dweeb volunteering at a food bank rather than arresting criminals, because we should instead have complete faith in young politicians to fix the city. It was a good movie, but the themes of The Batman and what it did to the character in its universe make it worse whenever you think more about it.

[@theofficialvernetheturtley338]

Let's look at the clues he discovered, shall we? First off, the murder imprint on the floor. His discovery. The Drive answer. His discovery. The boots in the photographs. His discovery. The El Rata Alada riddle. His discovery. The introduction of the informant. His discovery. The rataalada website. His discovery. The murder weapon itself. His discovery. The map of Gotham under the carpet. His discovery. The password to Riddler's video. His discovery. Batman in every film before this has gotten info from criminals and Alfred, but when Pattinson does it he's suddenly a bad detective, even though in every instance their brief help leads him to discover the true meaning behind it. It's just silly nit-picking.

[@sodadrink8363]

if that’s your interpretation of the batman’s ending, you missed the entire point of the movie. batman/bruce’s entire character arc is that doing nothing but beating the shit out of criminals got both him and gotham nowhere, and the only way for him to bring about any real change was to become a symbol of hope to the innocent, *in addition to* being a symbol of fear to criminals. i can sort of understand your problems with the detective stuff, but “dismantling” batman as a character is kind of the point of the movie.

[@hemiacetal1331]

@@sodadrink8363 Yeah the symbol of mediocrity

[@Not_deez111]

In the Batman, he is not the playboy Bruce Wayne yet, cuz that's the point of that movie.

[@matthiasrauert8397]

Now that it has been so many years since both performances i think we cann all admit that we just hiped up dark knight cause it was expected of us since ledger died and say pulicly that leto's joker had the edge on him from the start. Its not even close rly-

[@hamurai-42opelicanarmy24]

i cant i love em both

[@SPFLDAngler]

Bale’s voice is literally the only reason I can’t watch the trilogy anymore. It’s just so fucking stupid and I can’t believe they left it like that. It’s beyond annoying and I cannot sit through him struggling to breathe and taking minutes to get one sentence out.

[@jacoblofthus7908]

I'd say The Dark Knight. But that may change once The Batman is given some time to age.

[@snozking]

I liked the dark night moreer

[@emilykeepsmiling9465]

Loved this video 😁 definitely agree The Dark Knight was better and I have a few thoughts. Here's my ranking: Believable Batman: DK: 8 (Movement too wooden) TB: 9 (Good portrayal of early years, desire to keep fighting, fear as a weapon etc) Believable Billionaire: DK: 10 (Shuts down the ballet 😂) TB: 6 (No suave or sophistication at all...and yes way too emo, but has the house, the butler etc.) Intimating Villain: DK: 10 (HEATH LEDGER) TB: 8 (didn't like the portrayal of the Riddler, but very intimidating for the way he convinced so many to join his cause) Brilliant Bat Tech: DK: 10 (Batmobile and intro to Detective Mode) TB: 5 (Detective Mode is all that saved this...wtf was that Batmobile?!) The Big Event: DK: 10 (For me this was the stand off with Dent as this was the payoff to the Joker's plan. And it was sensational. And very impactful for Batman) TB: 9 (This worked beautifully for me, more death would have been gratuitous. And very impactful for Batman) Total: DK: 48/50 TB: 34/50 Some additional thoughts if anyone cares to read. Please let me know your thoughts on these as I'm worried I'm too narrow minded about The Batman. 1. The Batmobile THANK YOU for mentioning the Batmobile stall....wtf was that?! Without doubt the worst moment of the movie and the biggest anti climax ever. The Batmobile itself didn't look too bad for an early-career Batman, but the stall just completely ruined it for me especially after that huge build up. Comparing the 2 between the movies isn't really fair though I think because in Dark Knight, Batman was much older and more experienced, not to mention he had Lucius Fox (who is conspicuously absent in The Batman). Either way, that stall though...just no. (Yes I know he didn't actually stall, it was a fakeout to get the villain to run...but my god it was awful and I'm calling it a stall 😂) 2. The Villain Heath Ledger as the Joker....no one will ever beat that. And fair enough, but the Riddler was just....very odd for me. There were so many clever puzzles which were very in character, but the army mask that looked like something a terrorist would wear, the way too intense shouting into the video recordings and the singing (oh Jesus the singing) were just awful, not to mention super out of character for the Riddler. Overall I really didn't like the new portrayal of the Riddler, whereas Ledger was sensational as the Joker. 3. The Relationships Bruce and Rachel had history. Even if you watch the movie as a stand alone, you can see and feel their history. Batman and Catwoman did a scene together and then at the end someone was like "oh yeah oops we forgot to write in the kiss...ok just kiss"...wtf?! It came out of nowhere, made no sense, didn't fit in and was just weird all over. Sorry that ended up being so long. I really hope someone reads to the end and replied with their ideas 😁

[@Howesenberg]

Thank you for the well thought out comment. Tbh my opinion has slightly improved towards The Batman after I discussed it with my Batman expert friend on my Howesenberg Highlights channel. I would reply specifically to your points but I've realized I'm out of my depth discussing Batman Lore, but I appreciate you commenting!

[@emilykeepsmiling9465]

@@Howesenberg thank you for your reply and your nice comments ☺️ I'm honestly thrilled you even read it, nevermind reading all the way to the end 😂

[@jeux2322]

how can you knock the Batman’s Bruce Wayne when the whole point is that he is a young batman who doesn’t know how to act as Bruce Wayne.

[@emilykeepsmiling9465]

@@jeux2322 I didn't knock TB's Bruce Wayne though. Unless saying he was too emo is considered a knock ☺️

[@randoapplebigcheese6169]

The dark knight is a better movie overall but the Batman is a better Batman movie

[@speedsterbo1e505]

They had riddler look like that onpurpose to show that even the little guys can do stuff or something like that and they have Bruce not be much of a good billionaire on purpose to show how he’s struggling to live both lives and is more trying to be a vigilante than a billionaire

[@darkwoods1954]

The Batman felt like a copy of Dark Knight swapping Joker for Riddler. It was way longer than it needed to be too. They could have cut all the Catwoman stuff and lost nothing. I love Dark Knight and Seven so was very excited for a Batman movie combining the two but ended up really disappointed.

[@bigmeaty_custard4572]

Respect the final event even though I don’t agree with it

[@Howesenberg]

That's fair enough, thanks for commenting

[@evanhuerta5327]

it seems that everybody forgot about Tim Burton and Adam west

[@WorldsMostWated]

The true answer: They're both fucking amazing

[@Casual_01]

Joker gotta be one of my fav Batman movies fr

[@thenativeexplores8413]

So I'm a huge fan of both of these movies, very big Joker fan and big Batman fan, as well as love this new take on this brand new Batman. I just can't try to fully compare the two as hard as I try because they are completely different Batman films. The Dark Knight is a Batman who is experienced and going up against Heath Ledger, enough said. However The Batman, Robert Pattison, is a Year 2 Batman, who started to build that muscle car at the age of 7, and is a gothic late 20 year old just beating the shit out of people. Are you seriously going to tell me a teenager to young adult will fully set up there car, or just make it more badass looking and hope it doesn't stall? Now that he sees that mistake the next movie he will have fixed that

[@FireOfGod749]

I like both movies just as much but I feel like The Batman would have been way better as a show. A live action Batman show would be insane. Throughout the first season, Batman would try to uncover Riddler's plot and we would be able to see more villains as well.

[@Howesenberg]

I'm surprised we haven't seen a live action Batman series, would work amazing for The Batman style of investigations and crime fighting.

[@FATAL_CHICKEN]

great video and personally i like emo batman more because he is emo like shadow the hedgehog but my favourite movie is way better than these movies my favourite movie is the hit movie morbius the movie that sold 1 morbillion tickets and yes i am 4 years old

[@Howesenberg]

I hear they are renaming the Academy Awards to 'The Morbies'

[@FATAL_CHICKEN]

@@Howesenberg sadly will smith might not be able to go

[@nickstamp2242]

My impression is that Pattinsons batman hasn't developed the Bruce Wayne character yet. He's still hell for leather as batman, which I think the batman 2 will explore. I agree that Bale Bruce Wayne has been perfected.

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

Factor 2 is because he doesn't care about being a billionaire, idk why people miss that part of the story so much

[@Howesenberg]

That's fair, I guess I did overlook that detail. Still prefer TDK for that factor.

[@Aaaaarrgh1]

Hope the copywrite thing works out. Whatever happens, NEVER STOP!

[@samuelgaijin2565]

I want to know what the joker did after bats jumped out of the window and left him alone with all those rich people.

[@tunaswamp8353]

YES YES BATMAN VIDEO JANE APPROVES

[@Howesenberg]

ME HOPE JANE ISN'T ANGRY ABOUT MY RATINGS

[@leongzzx]

giving the joker only a 10/10 has to be cap

[@user-ok3fy9rj1y]

wake up babe, a new howsenberg video is out

[@Howesenberg]

My 9 model one night stands all rushed out of bed to see who could watch the video first, I didn't offer them breakfast I said I'm too much of a maverick to be tied down by being nice to them.

[@user-ok3fy9rj1y]

@@Howesenberg bro please delete this before my girl wakes up. i can’t lose her again

[@seanbrazell7095]

☝️😇 💔 Heath Ledger actually wrote, shot and directed that hostage tape in Dark Knight himself. SO unbearably bittersweet! 😄🥺😁😔❤

[@Howesenberg]

Damn, I didn't know that. Even more reason to like him.

[@emilykeepsmiling9465]

Both of the hostage tapes actually. After seeing what an amazing job they did on the first one they let him do the 2nd too. Like you said, makes it all the more impactful.

[@limit420]

The Batman took too many liberties from TDK, IMO.. it was good, and I know TDK set the bar rly high. Also, if The Batman is going to have at least 2 more parts, then it should be compared to Batman Begins. The scene where Bruce goes to the memorial and the car comes crashing in, very similar to Bruce going to the event where he sees Rachel and Harvey (puts tables together). U already know, when u see Bruce, as Bruce, with all of the fancy people - bad guys are going to crash the party. Even the ending - Batman and the cops on high alert, at another event with the fancy people - shooters waiting for the moment to pick off a politician, Batman ends up hanging off the edge of smthng rly high up, etc. Same scene, different movie.

[@menarenotwomen]

My wife and I both liked The Batman more than we were expecting to. That being said, we watched it on HBO max and we had to watch it over two nights because we just couldn’t dedicate 3 hours straight to a movie lol

[@Howesenberg]

I'm fine with a 3 hour movie if the pacing keeps you engaged, with The Batman I must confess towards the end I was getting fidgety in my cinema seat.

[@floppyj.burger5402]

I like "The Bat Batman" Bat mobile better for the fact it looks more crude. If you think about it, why would some vigilante have a multi million dollar vehicle to fight crime. It really drives down the list of potential people batman could be, while Pattisons Bat Mobile while yes also super expensive is more believable to be made by anyone with time and a garage.

[@Thyinternet]

In my opinion Batman is pretty cool especially in movies where he’s done well. That is my hot spicy take of controversy.

[@jeppeboe9645]

I think the batman is a better BATMAN Film but TDK is a better film. Also I rly love how the batmans Bruce wayne is a weirdo, it feels more real for someone who saw their parents die. Also I love afflecks voice.

[@KishanPatel-se6ko]

This is fair but I don’t think you take into account how it’s a second year batman in Robert Pattinson

[@shotgunsam23]

Paul Dano is a fantastic actor who can hold his own against Daniel Day-Lewis however he was horribly miscasted in the Batman. Not because he’s a shitty actor but rather he is not intimidating enough, man’s got a baby face.

[@lukesimon2227]

The dark knight is better heres my reasoning - The Dark Knight portrayal of Bruce Wayne was accurate because it shows how he's a billionaire playboy who's good at business and nearly no one would even suspect is Batman. The challenges he faced, the use of his utility belt, his persona, the costume and etc was accurate, well thought out and played out. The plot, the villan, the side characters and the Protrayal of Gotham was a masterpiece. The movie was a fucking 10/10. Now Batman 2022 was a great movie 8.5/10 only because of what im about to explain; the way the protrayed Bruce Wayne was not good because he was this dark eyed emo type of person who didn't socialize and wasn't the accurate type of bruce wayne we all saw in the Dark knight. The Batman thought i liked to an extent because i felt he was just a little bit too brutal (lol) which was ok i didn't mind, also the fact that he was taking fully automatic machine guns to the chest like that was wild. This is supposed to be his 1st or 2nd year as Batman so i kind of understand because 95% of Gothams underworld uses guns. I also liked the fact that since this was his 1st or 2nd year as Batman, his Batmobile was not that kit out and it looked amateurish, Catwomen was nice i like how so has a shit ton of cats (lol) and she was slick and slim among other things. The penguin short was his time on screen was great. The villian obviously Hush was amazing, the mind games, the baits, the tactics, and just his level of intelligence waa wonderful. The ending of the movie was great because Batman/Bruce Wayne finally realized that he can't only be a sign of vengeance for Gotham but also Hope

[@TheFool87]

Hey mate, another great video, congrats! 🥳 The truth is, Batman is always the least interesting character in everything he's in. The villains are the stars of the show. The villains of Batman are the best in the business because they all reflect an aspect of him,: Two-Face reflects his duality: Scarecrow, his use fear and psychological tactics: and the Joker well...he is an opposite-Batman. Of course, we shouldn't forget that the Joker is always considered as one of the best villains of all time, if not THE best. Combining this with the excellent acting of Heath Ledger created something near-perfect. This is the reason why contemporary Batman movies avoid showing Joker as the main villain because they know it is near impossible to top the Dark Knight Joker's performance.

[@loulabelle5082]

Isn't Batman just a rich privileged prick with too much time on his hands?

[@emilykeepsmiling9465]

This is amazing! I honestly never thought about the villains in that way, but now you've said it, I see how perfect it is. E.g Firefly is his desire to destroy that which he disagrees with (criminals), Black Mask is his tendencies for violence and desire for control and the Riddler is his giant intellect being truly tested for the first time. And yes, totally agree that no one could ever live up to Heath Ledger as the Joker, so it's not really fair to compare.

[@jacobfilasky2729]

Tdk would be good if bale could act

[@imperfectxennial3008]

I haven’t seen The Batman yet, but from what I’m seeing in this video, I’m leaning toward not wanting to watch it. It doesn’t look good. I was about to rent it, but researched it first before making my decision.

[@straight-uppodcast3834]

I think the Joker seemed more insane while the riddler seemed like a Sociopathic psychopath

[@imactuallysotoxic8709]

The riddler was autistic.

[@omarcarlos537]

I actually liked the riddler more then joker

[@buckmysalls1929]

believe it or not, there is actually something in the way

[@Howesenberg]

It's an inconvenience, but I'll go underneath the bridge

[@buckmysalls1929]

@@Howesenbergpersonally, i think that is a great idea

[@buckmysalls1929]

@@Howesenberg the absolute joy I felt when I saw you replied is unmated by anything I've felt in my entire life

[@muoa6895]

i think they intentionally casted robert Pattinson bc they wanted to have a younger batman in the movies thats why he looks like a teenager still

[@eientakara]

#3 is just unfair man how can you best Heath Ledgers joker I mean cmon

[@lostopportunity4701]

Oof that hospital explosion wasn't choreographed. Part of it failed to detonate. Heath ledger just stayed in character until it went off. Also you can see a cameraman in the bus that he jumps onto after. None of it was scripted, but it was so good none of it was left out. I'm sure someone said this already, but I'm not trying to be a dick I just thought I'd drop a comment on the chance no one said anything.

[@Howesenberg]

I find that very alarming, surely a scene involving actual explosives has to be choreographed, isn't that kind of dangerous not to? But you have me interested to go see what they say about this scene for myself.

[@lostopportunity4701]

@@Howesenberg lol I wouldn't lie on the internet

[@lostopportunity4701]

@@Howesenberg plz do it's a fantastic bit of improvised choreography

[@lostopportunity4701]

@@Howesenberg you can see heath physically react to the second explosion with the shoulder jump protection. And he was actually scared and jumped into the bus as scripted. I wouldn't lie to you this was 100 percent real

[@TheJandEproductionz]

for the more believable billionaire point: what is more believable for a guy who gets no sleep and spends all night beating up beating up people on the streets in lieu of trauma? Literally someone like TDK bruce wayne doesn't even match the realisticness of a billionaire who is ALSO batman. They are tied and you cannot separate them as a film which depicts "who spends money and acts richer" which isn't the point of bruce wayne depiction

[@Mr_Wayne2012]

the dark knight by far its like compare spider-man homecoming with spider-man 2

[@toxiclullaby2083]

I really hate how people compare The Batman’s Bruce Wayne and Dark Knight’s Bruce Wayne when there clearly at very different points and in my opinion more faithful to Batman’s overall character.

[@joshuaalejandro42]

The Batman is a better Batman movie. dark knight better movie movie. I have spoken.

[@personperson573]

12:55 So you're saying The Batman is less meaningful because they didn't repeat the whole Batman taking the fall for Harvey's death storyline from The Dark Knight? Isn't the whole point to move this Batman more towards the light then making him by his lonesome and edgy?

[@personperson573]

Like I get the perspective here but personally I don't think that works for the story they were trying to tell.

[@personperson573]

Plus Batman just barely met the mayor. She was barely even a side character in this movie.

[@personperson573]

13:39 Plus that doesn't even make sense since at this point most people didn't really know what to think of him. How could they lose faith they never even had to begin with, most people probably didn't even think he was real.

[@Howesenberg]

I mean the bat signal in the air is kind of a give away to his existence. Fair point maybe he wasn't viewed as a hero, but criminals were cautious of him at least.

[@personperson573]

@@Howesenberg Yeah I just kind of thought that part was a lil nitpicky but overall I agreed with most of the points

[@trueindian3487]

TDK is at next level .. but new Batman is average movie

[@matz4k]

About the cars: The Batman is an insane creation which is technically really hard or due to some movie magic nearly impossible. The Dark Knight Tank is just stupid. Way over the top and impossible to pull off. Both fit in their respective movies but imho the Batman did a better job. Great video!

[@piyanath1066]

Couldn't agree more

[@Exodus26.13Pi]

Clickbait, one was more ASMR.

[@Howesenberg]

Don't call The Riddler at 3:00am challenge (HE ANSWERED!!!) 💀😳😜🤣🤣🤣😳😳😃😃👀👀👀👀

[@neareed9241]

Classic youtube essay moment lol. Compared the movies in the most arbitrary categories instead of actually comparing the story telling.

[@Howesenberg]

Arbitrary in that I compared the main characters purpose in the movie along with their alter ego and other elements of the movie that people typically associate with Batman? As I said (if you actually watched this part) I wanted to give a general feeling rather than an entire breakdown. But my perspective would remain the same but a lot more explained.

[@neareed9241]

Except the point of the video is comparing the movies to find out which one is better. You haven't accomplished that at all. Pretty much every category is arbitrary. Like the brilliant bat tech comparison. Bale has better bat tech. Okay. How on earth does that prove that the dark knight is a better movie lmao. Or the Batcave comparisons. Cool. Their different. But that doesn't make one movie necessarily better than the other. Most of the comparisons in the video seem so surface level. All you've done is show how each of these takes on Batman are different. Sure you can say you personally prefer one take over the other but that wouldn't be an argument for which movie is actually better. If I were to use your logic, the Lego Batman would be considered the best batman movie (there's actually a strong argument for that but that's besides the point lol). Trying to give a generalized feeling is honestly counterintuitive to comparing the movies on a critical level. If you're going to claim one movie is better, then you need to actually have solid arguments to back up said claim. You would have to actually critically examine both movies past these surface level comparisons. Which movie has the better story, themes, character arcs, structure/pacing, characters, action sequences, cinematography, music, entire cast performance, and etc. This way your actual verdict would feel more earned and would make way more sense. Would have been a much more solid video imo.

[@griffin8767]

Not even gonna cover the bat suit? Smh

[@arifhussain-dl1vp]

Imagine Elon Musk is Batman and Jeff Bezos is Lex Luthor😂😂.