The Batman Tried to Teach Us a Lesson, and We're Not Listening

The Batman is the Perfect Superhero Movie
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[@JP-1990]

The Batman proved that you don't need a multi-connected cinematic universe anymore.

[@Lewisfilms2]

Dam right

[@mayotango1317]

You mean the older movies?

[@LoganBradbury-yt1lj]

@@mayotango1317movies before the MCU was a thing

[@jessemillan1385]

The Batman 2022 film showed us exactly what superhero films were missing. A proper way to do a superhero story instead of just cramming stuff that makes no sense.

[@jasonhearn5818]

Maybe these recent films in thre last 6 or 7yrs but all The Batman did was take the grounded elements from Nolans film and the ferocity of Batfleck and fused them together its nothing new

[@Fantasticjabber]

@@jasonhearn5818 It is new . Lol wtf ??. It has a very solid script .

[@jasonhearn5818]

@@Fantasticjabber he stated batman showed what superheroes film were missing...its not ... taking elements from existing films and merging them together doesn't make it new 😆

[@Fantasticjabber]

​@@jasonhearn5818 Well if he and you have read batman then the movie has taken elements from batman year one . Plenty of noobs here dont know what a script or source material is and talk bs

[@jasonhearn5818]

@@Fantasticjabber im well aware of Batman year one, 2022 batman isnt the first comicbook movie to follow source material ...there were pre-existing batman movies and its not uncommon for directors to get influence from previous movies...like i said "script" aside 2022 Batman tone overall has the grounded element of the Nolan trilogy and the ferocity of Batfleck mixed together

[@cahe6161]

A big problem is seeing superheores as a movie genre, that's wrong, superhero movies can be many things, a detective story, a spy thriller, a horror movie, a martial arts movie, a western, sci-fi, medieval fantasy, etc. The studios that make this movies lack imagination and instead they make the same movie over and over again

[@incognigo1670]

Exactly!

[@jasonhearn5818]

Movies with comicbook based characters is a definitely a genre ...the issue is they dont stick to comicbook accuracy reason being why most of these comicbook based movies aren't doing well no different from any other movies bad writing and direction

[@ineedpowers5151]

​​@@jasonhearn5818Even Comic Books itself has Genre!! The Superhero itself isn't a genre

[@fntababy]

@@jasonhearn5818i dont think so its just based on comic books alot of movies are based on books but they dont get a label

[@medafan53]

I have said for some time that superheroes are not a genre; they are a _medium_ through which stories of many genres; sci-fi, mystery, fantasy, comedy etc, can be told.

[@callmejacob3234]

The Batman gave us a vulnerable Batman that's what made Batman: The Animated Series so good. Batman isn't perfect and I'm glad this film showcased that. Batman is a human being he makes mistakes and he has flaws. This movie is hands down the greatest live action Batman movie. I also love that for the first time in live action we see the real Bruce Wayne. Not the playboy billionaire but the tortured soul behind the cowl. I don't care what anybody says this film is a comic book masterpiece.

[@Red_Spidey]

yeah for the first time i can say Batman IS a human being, he makes mistakes, and improves himself like us rather than being crazy smart ass, and can do everything perfectly, a gary stu.

[@callmejacob3234]

@@Red_Spidey Batman is too flawed of a character to be a Gary Stu. In order for Batman to be a Gary Stu he'll need to perfect which he isn't.

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

​​@@callmejacob3234EXACTLY yet everyone seems to forget about that aspect. They say he's has prep time yet forget that they aren't always successful. They say he's boring but he's been beaten by Lady Shiva, Deathstroke, and Bronze Tiger to name a few. Batman has to have Contingency plans into order to survive because he's a nonpowered human that can't just walk up and punch them. He has to out think them Showcasing his legendary scientific, deductive and tactical/strategic prowess. This is why I'm so bored with Batman films this one included because they take all the wrong lessons from his successes and water him down stripping him of his legendary virtually unparalleled intellectual and combative prowess for mob villains and serial killers. Batman films need to evolve and leave the everything grounded-in-reality behind. That's where you truly test Batman as the world's greatest detective by taking him out of his element. Examples Batman: Offworld, and Batman City of Madness.

[@callmejacob3234]

@@FriendlyBatDoom People who use plot armor or prep time are normies who don't read comics. People are too obsessed with the movies. The movies are a terrible way to get introduced to Marvel and DC. The only exception is Sam Raimi's Spider-Man Trilogy. Animation is the best way to get introduced to Marvel and DC besides the comics. I ignore Batman haters because they clearly don't understand the character just like Superman haters don't understand his character. Being a comic book fan means dealing with the worst takes known to man I just ignore it. I know how great Batman and Superman are and that's all that matters.

[@itsme-uw8vm]

@@FriendlyBatDoom I actually find grounded Batman more interesting

[@BenspidermanH]

Superhero fatigue does not exist. What everyone is experiencing is mediocre/bad movie fatigue.

[@Hellyeahray21]

This.

[@thestarkknightreturns]

But the normies, who make the backbone of the box office, don't usually make the distinction. They're just tired of movies with heroes in tights. It was a generational thing - which boomed in the late 2000s when a lot of moviegoers were also nerds and in the meantime outgrew the genre due to added life responsibilities - and which is now fading.

[@BenspidermanH]

@@thestarkknightreturns Yes all that you said is true and I'm aware of all that. I was there witnessing all of this first hand when I was a teenager in the early 2000s but im sure most of the people in this comment section are not normies and if they are now they have the distinction to help them in the future.

[@thestarkknightreturns]

@@BenspidermanH it's a pity though, because I vividly remember having watched X-men back in 2000 and thinking that it would be the very farthest we would go of having comic books represented onscreen. How far we've come...

[@markanderson7236]

General audiences noticed the MCU deviating from the traditional Marvel formula, primarily because of the negative press surrounding Ant-Man 3. ​@@thestarkknightreturns

[@hopekeeley2122]

the batman shows that audiences like an actual STORY with a distinctive STYLE, not some soulless cashgrab that hits the same overdone notes and looks like you chained a handful of vfx artists to a tablet for 5 months

[@Lewisfilms2]

Yeah exactly

[@ethandoyle4978]

That movie was one of my favorites when it came out

[@erikwebber6038]

A good story/script with plenty of character development. Thats all it takes. Matt Reeves also wasn't limited by having to have his film connected to any events/characters that came before it, or coming after it in a pre-conceived cinematic universe. Thats what is holding back Marvel, not enough room for singular artistic creativity.

[@Lewisfilms2]

That’s all it takes

[@nosfonader8792]

Don't forget about Guardians of the Galaxy 3. That was a hard hitting movie and gut punched you while you were down. Guardians 3 showed Marvel what the MCU couls have been like post Endgame. Sure there was good like Loki, What If, and Moon Knight but moat was embarrassing to sit through. We should not forget about Guardians of the Galaxy 3 when talking about this idea

[@there4you19]

I'm not a fan of the actor that Played the New Batman.

[@doc8013]

I think he's one of the best actors working today.

[@shalindelta7]

Your loss

[@stephan2807]

I find it really funny that people are so pissed that the batman 2 keeps getting pushed back even thought they are the same people who hate that superher films suck now because they are rushed

[@Lewisfilms2]

Exactly

[@shinndig1293]

I actually found the MoonKnight show a lot more interesting and compelling and more of what I wanted from The Batman film.

[@Josh-pn7vv]

I feel it’s so obvious why the new marvel movies suck. The cgi has been lacking obviously, even in some scenes in Avengers Endgame. Too many jokes, and bad ones at that, they don’t land often, and ruin the tone of the movie. Too much interconnectivity between shows and movies, often meaningless, too much setup for an insignificant/ disappointing payoff. The first Iron Man movie was good, but wasn’t flawless, Marvel has to look forward in their storytelling process, not backwards. Marvel can stick with the PG 13 rating and still make good movies, being Rated R doesn’t matter. I think Marvel is stuck in this idea that they are making a “superhero” movie, and that the template for such a film is the formulaic one they’ve been using for years and no other, when they need to let directors explore different possibilities with these characters, while still staying true to the core elements of the characters, The Dark Knight probably the best example.

[@cameronauguste9100]

For people saying the fatigue comes from bad, mediocre movies, need to ask a simple question. If the latest superhero films (let’s say last 20) came out in the early 2000s, would they have been considered “bad” back then? The problem is that we’re just tired of watching superhero films because it’s over saturated. It’s the same plot recycled over and over.

[@doc8013]

I agree about them being considered better if they were released 20 years ago but that's the point. Fatigue has come from repetitive storytelling. If it's the same plot over and over again then it's bad writing. As long as you have really good storytellers making unique and well-crafted movies then people will watch them.

[@talkingshounen14]

What're your thoughts on "Deadpool and Wolverine"?

[@Lewisfilms2]

It’s gonna be awesome!

[@goldenboi9684]

The issue for me was that I've never been a marvel fan like I love spider man but beside him I would go with the hulk nd that's it really so then only time I would watch marvel movies were the avengers movie. I grew up watching dc so that made me a die hard dc fan boy I just only pay attention to wat dc does. I don't hare the marvel movies they just don't interest me unlike dc movies even tho dceu was disappointing

[@goldenboi9684]

Oh yea plus the new avengers they are building completely lost me like I get it they have to change and progress the story but I'm so use to the original team that the new one won't have me coming back unlike dc. Dc just has me hooked like I'm waiting each day for a new dc project

[@ultimateslinger9857]

It really didn’t take much for people to start saying this. Well maybe not, but I still hate how people treated comic book movies like a fad to begin with. I think it star with Thor 4 and we got a string of bad or mid movies all the way up till Shazam 2. It’s funny how everyone shuts up when we get good ones though. No one’s gotten horror or action fatigue, so come on.

[@Fantasticjabber]

It started with dr strange 2 and wandavison . Both revolve around wanda who is the stinkiest character in mcu

[@ultimateslinger9857]

@@Fantasticjabber I feel like if you take away the fan bate of an X-men crossover, it’s actually pretty good. If they kept the main story on her grief it would have been stellar. Which is why I liked it more on my recent 2cnd viewing of it. That and the “they’ll never know how much you sacrificed” line was kinda stupid. Aside from those 2 things it’s pretty good

[@ultimateslinger9857]

@@Fantasticjabber for dr strange 2, that’s another example of misplaced expectations. I think it would have been cooler if they actually explored multiple alternate dimensions, I think it would have been cooler. That and Sam Rami getting a bit more freedom would have helped. For me it’s just ok. Which ain’t bad for me

[@Fantasticjabber]

@@ultimateslinger9857 Exactly .The title is multiverse of madness and we are getting a shitty wanda story in it . the illuminati scene is one of the worst scenes in comic book history . I dont blame raimi . I blame the 5 year old writer micheal waldron .

[@Fantasticjabber]

@@ultimateslinger9857 I think if you remove wanda and have nightmare as villain the movie would have been 10x better .

[@jahdorose8659]

It's not the case especially with Deadpool and wolverine coming out

[@Lewisfilms2]

Hopefully it’s being pulled back

[@WhatsNextVideos]

Naw, The Batman was TERRIBLE 🤮 I got tricked into going to see it and I 100% regret going and have ZERO interest in seeing anything more from that universe. I should have known better when Penguin's make-up was receiving most of the praise, when that's the best thing you can say about a movie you know you're in for a 💩show

[@nagashtheforsaken]

The Batman wasnt very good.

[@cptaintskmaster]

no such thing as superhero fatigue, we are just tired of BAD MOVIES, bad writing, bad acting, ridiculous argument

[@Fantasticjabber]

yes there is . Stop saying otherwise

[@Hellyeahray21]

Bad movie fatigue, yes. And if all those bad movies are given to you under the form of a superhero movie, it turns into superhero fatigue.

[@rhinuu045]

@@Fantasticjabberwhy are the good ones so successful then lmao

[@Fantasticjabber]

@@rhinuu045 Which good ones are successful lol . The movies have been losing money . 1 or 2 exceptions dont mean there aint a fatigue

[@jasonhearn5818]

Its not superhero fatigue its overall mediocre to bad movie fatigue majority of these movies being released even in theater are Netflix quality...easy fix is better writing and stop with all these reboots and remakes

[@CoolMan1_SonicAndOtherStuff]

"Superhero movies are becoming boring, and bland". WHAT?! 😂 Its funny how you said this in a video about one of the most boring superhero movies. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed the batman, but it felt less like a superhero movie and more like a detective movie. I know batman's also a detective and they were trying to lean more into his detective side in this movie, but it got to the point where it was just boring because it had little action scenes, and it was too dark. But that's my personal opinion. I don't think I can say the same about other superhero movies. Unlike alot of other people, I'm not picky when it comes to superhero movies. They can put out as many superhero movies as they want, and it won't bother me, as long as the movie is fun and exciting.

[@cahe6161]

Damn, I guess you'd hate Batman comics then

[@baki484]

Not surprised by this response. It reminds me of the some lady online complaining about how the movie doesn't have enough comedy. Maybe you should stick to the crazy and colorful CGI infested mess we've or nostalgia bait we've been getting from marvel.

[@GregCompton-rf9wt]

get an attention span. brain rot comment

[@ravenouspuncher]

I am picky lol . I cant waste money on dumb shit

[@3xrcodm]

The Batman is not boring. It actually has a great pacing and not because there are no actions means it is boring. It is not. You just want to watch flashy scenes without understanding the "true characteristics" of the hero they are playing.

[@j.b.5422]

stop watching superhero stuff.

[@Lewisfilms2]

Nah I just want good movies

[@AnvilPictures]

If Ben got his Batman film it would not be as interesting. Because he kills and Deathstroke

[@donkisot7520]

Very much not, we don't need another dark edgy emo boring cbms, THAT was what caused the fatigue. We need more cbm that acts like cbm, entertaining, joyful straight from the comic pages. Just be thankful Gunn coming with DCU, that will bring all hopes back, the way cbms are supposed to be.

[@Lewisfilms2]

The edge lord in me has gotta disagree

[@donkisot7520]

@@Lewisfilms2 Well your loss my man.

[@itsme-uw8vm]

@@donkisot7520 that's not what caused the fatigue if it did the Batman wouldn't have done well so what you're saying isn't accurate and you do know comic books can be dark right. Some of the most popular Batman comics are pretty dark. Making a joyful comic book movie isn't the answer for everyone superhero

[@mayotango1317]

​@@Lewisfilms2Is funny because this movie is more hopeful that Man of Steel.

[@donkisot7520]

@@itsme-uw8vm Have you seen the box office for Inside Out 2? It passed billion, people want to be entertained and happy, that simple. Just wait for Gunn's Superman and you'll understand why i said being dark and edgy is the fatigue.

[@nathannjohn8654]

that movie sucked

[@Fantasticjabber]

L comment

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

To me it didn't suck it was mediocre 4/10.

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

@@gabrielferreira8393 The Godfather, Citizen Kane, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, the entire Lord of the Rings Trilogy, North by Northwest, Platoon, Apocalypse Now, Empire Strikes Back, Yojimbo, the Live-action Rurouni Kenshin films, The Matrix, Ip Man 2008, Sherlock Holmes 2009, Batman under the Red Hood, Mask Of The Phantasm, Old Boy, after I recently saw it Parasite amongst other's that I can't think of right now. This film to me doesn't do it for me but I'm not going to say it's awful like 8654 but it's mediocre to me.

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

@@gabrielferreira8393 Respectfully that's the thing. The Batman 2022 did nothing for me outside of having him at a crime scene, everything to do with Penguin and the amazing cinematography. In my opinion Penguin was by far the best thing in this film while the Riddler was the worst thing. Batman Begins gave me a great soundtrack, Gotham City/Narrows, training days, Ra's Al Ghul, Batman being a shinobi, motivations and the Best Alfred EVER. Batman Begins gave me a Batman who was so proactive that he dealt a massive blow to criminal element on his first night by taking out Falcone after growing wiser from him years earlier, being proactive forced the main villain his mentor Ra's Al Ghul to move up his plans. Cillian Murphy also was great as Scarecrow to go along with a cast full of Oscar winners.

[@shalindelta7]

​@gabrielferreira8393 W take. Absolutely the best on-screen batman, a balance of not too hyper realistic like batbale and not too unrealistic and out of character like battfleck. Also without a doubt the peak on-screen Gotham.

[@kotobukiya70]

Batman is the reason for the superhero fatigue!!!!

[@Lewisfilms2]

Hmmmm nah

[@kotobukiya70]

@@Lewisfilms2 Hmmmmm yeah

[@itsme-uw8vm]

​​​@@kotobukiya70No it's not. Bad films are the reason

[@kotobukiya70]

@@itsme-uw8vm No it’s not. Being over saturated with shitty Batman films since 1989 is the reason why.

[@itsme-uw8vm]

@@kotobukiya70 no Batman films get a lot of money and most of them are loved so no Batman is not the reason for superhero fatigue. What you're saying is wrong because if Batman was the reason his movies wouldn't do well but truth is they do extremely well