The Battle Cats - Let's talk about Growing Strange

[@legendarygamer8252]

everyone forgets about E kubulan pasalan 100%wave and 100%crit pretty much one shot any thing with all the treasures and hyper maxed he it does 1800 dm a crit is x25000 dm and if i’m not mistaking no enemy has 45 million hp and on to of that the waves are 800 x 25000 so growing strange isn’t that hard you just need to stack E kubulan pasalan

[@legendarygamer8252]

each individual wave bubble does 800 dm

[@jmenstone9397]

that is nice and all but i dont have kubiluga what am i supposed to do?

[@bestsupercool]

Dang I should get kubilan pasalans true form

[@zing3r_]

Wtf are you talking about kubi tf can't even kill anything besides maybe a metal doge so yeah you're completely wrong he weak and useless here Also why did Lucas pin this

[@zing3r_]

@Unaffiliated Third Account oh lol rip

[@chunkyrabbit1032]

I love growing strange! It's because I don't need to do it yet.

[@chunkyrabbit1032]

But if I have to do them I'll probably kill myself.

[@shaneplayspixel1322]

hipje yup that's wat I used to say

[@evanoz2206]

It’s torture

[@retiredhitmanireallylikeun6931]

WELL ITS FUN! WHEN U GET THE RIGHT CATS NOT LIKE ME

[@theincredible5379]

Yea sure it's *FUN* too bad I have a level 83 Ramen (20 +63) and a level 90 Paris (20 +70)

[@RegitYouTuber]

A stage this difficult would have been fine if it didn't need farming, but the need to do it again should necessarily make the level far less challenging. Also yeah Cosmo's a bit of a meme

[@chaotic5679]

I'm only on Walf of -Pain- Fame and Growing Strange looks terrible. Also hi Spoon.

[@dexhorox7394]

No how dare you cosmo is the best looking uber and the coolest uber thats why I wasted 4 days getting the catfruit for him. Also before you say your saying that because you have trash ubers unless you consider mitama,jizo,shadow gao,tecoluga,ice cat and a few more trash.

[@bendythedoombringer6464]

You are right, useless spoon E

[@julianguyen5487]

Regit: The world's best spoon ever created.

[@ennis8210]

dexhorox Regit isn’t saying Cosmo is trash/garbage he is saying the Catfruit cost for his true form is 30 yellow cat fruit and 10 epic fruits

[@CM-dx6xu]

When Nurse Wuffa haven't posted a walkthrough, you know that the stage is impossible.

[@TheAsianOne1]

A bit after you posted that she posted a tutorial

[@TheAsianOne1]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYGnkGN3eb6crpI here is the link

[@tastethedifferencecheese]

when mitama users struggle all of growing strange and (in my case) when paladin users struggle to beat a pure metal stage, we know something is wrong with growing strange

[@hyphe1337]

@@tastethedifferencecheese something is strange about growing strange :)

[@luckyduckyph]

We we're still around murmurs around hell when we didn't got the walkthrough

[@BruhIRLdan]

Here's my input on this entire thing. Read if you want to, don't read it if you don't want to: (Edit: everything in parenthesis in the revisions are changes that have been recommended through the people that have replied to this comment) Personally, I think that fun stages in The Battle Cats and basically any game are ones that give you a chance of winning, but you actually have to try to win in order to beat them. By this I mean that you do not completely destroy the enemies and the enemies do not completely destroy you, so it's a fair fight. None of these levels have that feeling of a fair fight, as it's either the enemies pound your cat army, or your cat army sails through the enemies (However, in these levels, it's usually the enemies with the advantage). Here's how I would balance each level so they're still difficult, but still fair: Color of Blood: Decrease the amount of capys in the level and debuff the Professor A. Fear of Flying: Remove the face entirely (Change the face into a bun bun or a different boss), decrease the length of the brollow and lil bun bun spam portion of the level. Wrath of Heaven: Only put one Winged Pigge and one Chickful A. Galactic Threat: Debuff the sloth, decrease the amount of Scissoroos in the level. Hearts of Darkness: Remove the razorback, nuff said. (It may be better to keep the razorback due to the fact that bombercat is useful when beating the level) Clash of Steel: Make everything 100%, descrease the amount of metal doges that spawn throughout the level (Make separate waves for the metal enemies) Seas of death: Remove the coffin doges (Decrease the amount of coffin doges), make the start longer so that the player has an opportunity to actually build up cash. If you disagree with anything I said then feel free to tell my why I'm wronk

[@ddreceptionist1970]

For clash of steel, they could make three boss waves that are triggered by base health, not by time. One for metal one horn, one for smh, and one for the metal sir seal. They could all be at 150% or 200%. If that isn’t challenging enough, they could add another boss wave with cyberface, and since you’d have octopus that cancels shock waves, you’re good to go. Note: The boss waves wouldn’t come out randomly, meaning you can time when to put our your octopus for cyber face

[@kriskringle5068]

You're wrong because you put wronk xd just kidding, everything you said was true! Hope ponos can understand this!

[@spectrei]

Multybrendan personally I think removing enemies are bad

[@VegetaPixel]

I think there should be a boss in Fear of Flying. If not the Face, then Bun Bun. Galactic Threat doesn't even spawn that many Scissoroos, unless you mean only having 1 at the start, in which case I'd agree with you. The Razorback is what makes Hearts of Darkness merciless, and Bombercat counters the stage fairly well anyway so no changes are really necessary (like, c'mon, it's not exactly much harder than Taste of Success). Maybe 1 coffin Zoge for Seas of Death? After all, these are merciless stages.

[@BruhIRLdan]

So to address some of the replies made on my comment: 1. I agree with everyone that the face should be replaced with something like bun bun, and not erased entirely 2. I really like the idea that Ahmed Plays Games made about making multiple boss waves of metal enemies. However, the issue with that is that metal enemies are weak on their own, but strong if they're supporting each other. I don't know how to, but I think it would be better to make each wave have multiple enemies in it. For example, make an SMH wave with two SMH's in it, to balance out the fight. 3. Removing enemies isn't necessarily a bad thing if there's an overwhelming amount of them. I can understand where the argument is coming from that removing enemies is bad, as it takes away from the level. However, removing enemies isn't the only solution. It's just as effective to debuff enemies rather than remove them from the level in order to make the level easier. I based the majority of these changes on Lucas's criticism and general issues that have spawned throughout the battle cats community, which has to do partially with why I made the changes so harsh. 4. I agree with the changes that Vegeta Pixel made to my changes (lol change ception). The reason why I thought removing the razorback would be a good idea is because it was complained about that Hearts of Darkness forces you to bring bombercat for that reason. However, bombercat caries through the level, so I can see why keeping the razorback would still be ok. Also, The Sissoroos in Galactic threat can still push really hard if there's even two of them on the battle field, which is why I said to decrease the spawn rate of them.

[@ant51006]

I genuinely love growing strange, I like getting thrown into a metal stage with my setup that has no crit units, and having to spend another 300 energy just to get into another stage that my setup isn't effective against, it's truly the best thing ponos has ever done in a while 😁😁😁

[@leoo5990]

Hm yes a human not worthy of respritory organs

[@Perfection-given-form]

@@leoo5990 bro it’s a joke

[@BobbinRobbin777]

"Gentlemen, I like Brawl." "Gentlemen, I _love_ Brawl." "I like midair battles. I like ground battles. I like VS CPU battles. I like VS 2P battles. I like Event Matches. I like Sudden Death. I like Special Brawl. I like Training Mode. On Skyworld, on Battleship Halberd, on Pictochat, on Smashville, on Rumble Falls, on Bridge of Eldin, on Wario Ware, on Delfino Plaza. I love every kind of Brawling that takes place in this game." "I like seeing opponents getting knocked far away after being thrown by Donkey Kong. When an enemy can't recover in time after being thrown high into the air, my heart races. I like using Meteor Smashes with Kirby's soft, fluffy body.When an enemy barely made it back in the ring after being blown away and I blew him away again, my heart soared. I like it when I pick up an item first and use it to mercilessly attack my enemy. I remember being moved when after getting the hammer, I chased my enemy around, swinging it like a madman." "Getting a Heart Container at 300% damage was unendurably exciting. When my enemy screamed in desparation, sending him flying out of bounds with a smash was spectacular. When the pitiful resistance came with their various items, and I countered with when they hadn't taken much damage, I was at my height. I like being burned over and over again by PK Fire. It is a sad thing when one is hit by an air PK Thunder and knocked out of the ring. I like being squashed and destroyed as soon as Sudden Death begins. Being juggled continuously because of a lucky hit is the ultimate disgrace." "Gentlemen, I desire a Brawl that is like hell. Gentlemen, my companions in the battalion who follow me, what do you desire? Do you desire Brawl as well? Do you also desire a Brawl in which no quarter is given? Do you desire a Brawl that stretches the limits of iron, wind, lightning and fire to the limit, one that will kill all the crows on this planet." "BRAWL!! BRAWL!! BRAWL!! Very well. Then we shall have Brawl." "The night that will grant our wishes has come. Welcome to the night of Brawl!" "Lets go, gentlemen."

[@the-gamer-real]

How do you have no crit units if metal one horn is in the first level

[@Arseniy-KoF3]

Lvl 40+ Soba, 3 meatshields and roe enough to clear a Clash of Steel Also Blood of Red is EZ with 50lvl Roe cat

[@quasarexplorer865]

I have no idea what ponos was smoking when they decided ultimate galaxy cosmo needed 30 yellow catfruit and 10 epic catfruit

[@thebladiator8496]

what the fuck

[@icantthinkofacreativenamei8274]

Exactly

[@limonlx7182]

I think Ponos wants me to get ultimate galaxy cosmo, because I literally got *30+ yellow catfruits* and 1 yellow catfruit seed..

[@Superp2gamer]

should been green seeds cause cosmo is anti floating

[@jannovotny4797]

@@Superp2gamer ...Cosmo is also anti angel

[@Poltargot]

>Lower energy cost 7.11 - Energy Cost: 299 ponos: we lowered the energy cost as you suggested. now more people should be able to do this stage.

[@artistcat6052]

lol

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

thats literally more of an inconvenience than 300

[@Poltargot]

sandwich Sandwich 299 < 300. quick maths

[@artistcat6052]

yeah but its not an equal number its annoying as fuck

[@eganwang6573]

*841 energy* Lol gotta beat CotC 2 for Growing Strange noob

[@toothpastecreature]

_"1% chance for Elder Fruit"_ Okay I thought PONOS was crazy before but now I think they're trippin balls over here

[@dolecrash5802]

Yeah sure, we can make likely 16% Yeah sure, we can make unlikely 3% Yeah sure, we can make rare 11 draws only have a 27 percent chance for a Uber with out an increased chance Wait, did you just stay make a difficulty harder than deadly, and then make a stage containing every non relic type, and then make a selection of 7 random also harder than deadly stages that follow, each tailored to an entirely different loadout, it costing 300 energy and only drop a seed? A SEED, no way, that is ridiculous. *puts a knife to his neck* Okay, fine, I’ll do it. Mumbles *yeash*

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

@@dolecrash5802 the thing with the 3% ones or 11 draws is you can use treasure radars or 11 draws when its gauranteed. on growing strange its always 1% and you cant change that

[@badpiggyboi9109]

that is really dumb of them.

[@paintitpeachydontforgetthe539]

PONOS gotta be trippin on shrooms now thinkin that they can *do that like holy frick*

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

@@dolecrash5802 is the 11 draw really that high?? I've made 33 draws on Epicfest and gotten no Ubers while I've drawn Three tickets and gotten Three Ubers in a row.

[@lazykirby57]

Dad:why is the FBI here? Me:Battle cats elder catfruit hack

[@alexwong9058]

There are so many serious comments and arguments about the game design of growing strange, and how it is not fun and it has to be changed, and then you just have this comment

[@applepie-sz3kr]

whats wrong with the joke?

[@alexwong9058]

nothing

[@chunkyrabbit1032]

No elder catfruit hacking allowed. Must feel the suffering or the popo or even the FBIcat comes to you.

[@shaneplayspixel1322]

TheLazyKirby57 really lel

[@ewokcitc]

It would be awful to combine 5 elder seeds and get an epic catfruit

[@tolaskusnier]

shhhhh dont give them anymore ideas

[@TheGoodest108]

@@tolaskusnier that can't happen, it only says that you could combine 5 seeds into a fruit, no epic fruit chance

[@CobytheDiscomforted]

Basically you gotta have Mitama to have the easiest time, and yet she doesn’t carry through some of the levels.

[@55hatak]

cuuby that why she trash Jk still 2nd best WiFi

[@ChouMain7]

i have mitama and its still a pain

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

I don't have Mitama, I don't have Aphrodite, I don't have Paladin. I can literally only defeat Hearts of Darkness and Fear of Flying.

[@twistyspider8606]

Shockwave Demon I have Aphrodite and i can still only beat those two stages, even then i lose to hearts of darkness 4 out of 5 times

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

Now, I can beat three of the 7 random levels. I can beat Hearts of Darkness, Fear of Flying, and Seas of Death. I can't even stall the 1st two scissoroos. They oneshot lvl 40 Manic Eraser.

[@kinsmanne98]

Like a friend once said: "Clash of Steel is the bane of human existance and should not be touched by a single being"

[@retiredhitmanireallylikeun6931]

I PLAYED THAT STAGE FOR A WHOLE HOUR MY MEAT SHEILDS KEEP ON DYING AND I WASTED A SHIT TON OF CAT FOOD FOR BUFFS

[@thepocketpotato831]

Haha 10 months later, butch Lufalan fucking one shots the poor seal. And I have Mitama from a PLATINUM TICKET, SO FUCKING HAPPY. Got to growing strange a week ago, fuck the black stage, that’s the only one I can’t beat.

[@ennis8210]

keeman 98 now it’s not hard lvl waitress 30 can do with meatshields

[@yeetushmm6073]

The Pocket Potato mitama breaks growing strange bruh

[@eriredmaku4853]

what about chillhola?

[@Quogle]

This stage is seriously a pain. I have to stack like 5 aphrodite to even have a chance of beating the red stage, and if I want to beat the metal stage I'd have to put in Poseidon, which will make every other level a bit harder since I have to replace a unit. These are definitely the most uber reliant stages in the game

[@Zay243]

Daddy well you got that far in the game so you will have ubers

[@Quogle]

True blood but you shouldn't be forced to use them to have even a slight chance of beating all 8 levels

[@Zay243]

Daddy well its merciless soo..

[@nikemegu1142]

@@Quogle chillhola did a no uber run he did it but his ramen was B O O S T E D so it carried him

[@thepocketpotato831]

10 months later just got to it, got cat fruit 3rd try Lolol. Unlocked the stage 4 days ago, already got 2 cat fruits, have true form. I have Lufalan so metal stage dead. Mitama fucking carry me to heaven. Got dumb lucky and got her on a platinum tickets not knowing she is god damn broken as hell, ( with a few slow combos 1 Perma slows and normally only need two to perma slow). I hate the black stage.

[@ThreeSingleandco]

Growing pain

[@tuananhbui4530]

Growing a strange cancer

[@mariano9427]

G. Strange=CANCER

[@ravelnavarro9625]

Stop being such a cupcake and git gud!

[@iamthesky5273]

@@ravelnavarro9625 QUEIT NOW HES BAD

[@ravelnavarro9625]

@@iamthesky5273 'Scuse me?

[@renzopistan4904]

Personally i think it would be a lot easier to separate the 7 stages in each day of the week for example monday red, tuesday floating, etc

[@platinumx7743]

Renzo Pistan yes

[@jfreycarbajal6044]

Renzo Pistan that would be too easy

[@Sunky_1234]

Too easy

[@dankdreams5412]

I mean, then you can prepare a good loadout

[@eganwang6573]

I was thinking more of an approach where after An Elder Secret, you will always get, say, Fear of Flying, but when you beat that, you get put into another stage, say, Hearts of Darkness. This continues until the last stage, where you continue into No Return Flights. LOL Ignoring the last past, I think this would be a nice idea. You create an incentive for making a generalist deck, but those without generalist ctas could still get by with their 1-2 seeds every playthrough.

[@zinzenkoh7972]

I think the bonus stage that gives you the actual Catfruit / Catfruit Seed should be an Enigma Stage so people can prepare better for the stage.

[@snowdrop9810]

Growing strange got nerfed anyway its way easier now

[@greenhat7618]

@@snowdrop9810how did it get nerfed?

[@SuperDestroyerFox]

@@snowdrop9810 How has it gotten nerfed, are you just referring to power creep like courier cat.

[@b0mberr330]

​@@SuperDestroyerFoxno, there are less enemies in certain stages/weaker enemies. But powercreep is still pretty relevant.

[@3nine388]

That's smart

[@dudeofgeneral56]

0/10 heavy lack of Iguana cats usage

[@tana1464]

I believe energy cost reduction and drop rate increase should be enough, but nerf zombie & metal stage would be nice too

[@beef5943]

Growing strange more like growing... bad game design got em

[@icantthinkofacreativenamei8274]

*DABS*

[@joaquingarcia8973]

This sounds like a joke Dani would make

[@summersouls2293]

@@joaquingarcia8973 you mean the guy that makes those milk jokes and makes games ?

[@joaquingarcia8973]

Yes

[@StriiderEclipse]

Everyone: nerf Growing Strange PONOS: I gotchu fam *buffs Growing Strange*

[@Marix-ue5hc]

Surprisingly, that actually happened.

[@CrownedLizard]

@@Marix-ue5hc yeh i am angery as fuk

[@johnsini7146]

They had us in the first half not gonna lie

[@therealtwocan3435]

I remember the days when growing strange had a calamary instead of a maawth

[@alec157-8]

Hello lucas! I have to say that growing strange might be broken, in my friend’s account with +80 basic cats and hypermaxed rares and super rares he had to use continues to finish fear of flying. Though kasa jizo at 47 carries through the black level. But great video! Resumed my thoughts about it

[@brokenman4414]

alec157 - just fuckin use octopus she breaks the stage

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

Yeah but that takes up a slot. Trying to use a general lineup for all of them is difficult. you need every slot you can get.

[@alec157-8]

The Name of a Broken Man my friend put octopus but i would have probably put eva unit 00 instead

[@alec157-8]

sandwich Sandwich Certainly true, however kasa jizo might be useful for the level with the angels aswell. Haven’t seen how he interacts with winged pigge yet.

[@aden_zhao3359]

XD fear of flying is my favorite one to play, gao carries me hard

[@SuperMetalHippoe]

They should decrease energy cost from 300 to 200. Also, creating a line-up that can handle all 7 stages is ridiculous. Aphrodite and Mitama or lose most of these stages basically. If there was a way to pick which stage you could tackle instead of RNG then this wouldn't be a problem. Even if say the 2nd stage took you to 3 possible stages instead of 7 it would be more than plausible to build line-ups for that. Sadly, Ponos will most likely keep this how it is and leave us players suffering.

[@irohjinnouchi2043]

i have a lineup that can beat all the stages very easily

[@SuperMetalHippoe]

Iroh Ozaii I do too, but it's still very tedious to play these stages dozens of times just to true form legend cats. Not everyone will have Mitama or Aphrodite or boosted Rares/Super Rares.

[@AnaklusmosPSI]

2:55 IS THAT... A LIL BUN BUN!?!? (THERE SO CUUUUUUUUUUTE)

[@ayycatburger_]

*Now, all of a sudden, i feel like i need more true forms immediately*

[@aden_zhao3359]

i actually got the 1% catfruit drop once. so lucky

[@monktheimmortal]

Aden Zhao same

[@nathS2]

me too

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

Aden Zhao Same.

[@nalencasey9164]

Nice

[@twistyspider8606]

Aden Zhao same here

[@aruce9]

small domino: Lucas complains about growing strange Huge domino: UL True forms require a ton of behemoth stones in order to true form.

[@popg21-the-epic51]

Me giving up 2-3 leaderships for 7 lights of doom

[@thebattledoges8569]

While I am nowhere near getting to Growing Strange, I can definitely see the problems with it, especially the insanely strict RNG that it requires. Maybe they could give a 30% chance for a seed in the first stage, and 30% chance for a fruit in the other 7 stages. It'll still take a long time to farm Elder Fruits, but the RNG will be a little more forgiving, allowing players to farm even if they can't beat the 7 type-specific stages.

[@ethanscherwitz9323]

You got your wish they replaced it🗿

[@RealCryptoTest]

What is there now?

[@Alg3br4]

additional/corrected changes of the continuation stages (source: SilumanTomcat) Clash of Steel: Metal Doge infinite -> 7, slower respawn rate; Metal One Horn 3 -> 2 in boss wave Color of Blood: Ginger Snache infinite -> 13; Capy 4 -> 3 Fear of Flying: Pigeon 4 -> 3 before boss wave, 300% -> 200%; Brollow infinite, respawns every 33.33 secs; Li'l Bun Bun 1300% -> 1000% Hearts of Darkness: SBK 11 -> 7; Tackey 3 -> 2 in boss wave; Razorback 150% -> 100% Holy Wrath: Winged Pigge 40 secs -> 26.67 secs respawn time; Chickful A 2 -> 1; Gabriel infinite -> 6 in boss wave Galactic Threat: Scissoroo 6 -> 5 in boss wave Seas of Death: Zackie Peng infinite -> 3

[@psylviass2714]

@Alg3br4 The also put a Maawth instead of a Calamary

[@Alg3br4]

the changes I mentioned were supposedly additions to the ones someone else mentioned, but their comment is gone now xd they already had mentioned the Maawth change

[@psylviass2714]

@Alg3br4 o ok

[@ehh..720]

The ubers i used were definitely not generalist, with Pai Pai DX and bazibastra. I can actually consistently do all the stages except clash of steel (because just no) and seas of death (ponos why)

[@loganharris7801]

You know, you said that growing strange doesn't appear in the calendar, but it does now. Noice.

[@loganharris7801]

Also, the calamary has been replaced with a maawth, so yeah.

[@applepie-sz3kr]

growing strange is just a bit too hard... first the starting stage is just a extreamly hard catfriut jublelie, and without anti wave its pretty much impossible since the beserk kory is at 150% alone side a calmari to surport makes it really annoying to deal with and there are also a billion other things to deal with. the floating stage is have brolow(buff) and pigeon (buff) at start. which makes it hard to stall since brollow can deal with Eraser no problem and pigeon can take care the long range units(jizo, sarukani) and after hitting the base, a massive army of enemy come out, now there are lil bun bun(almost as much hp as the bun bun in eoc chapter 3 and much more dps and damge) and the face who is also extreamly buff, from what i see the face tanks so that all wave of enemy come out.and this stage u 100% need octupus if u are low level. the red stage is in my opnien one of the hardest or the hardest. a extreamly buff shy boy at start, and after hitting the base, capy begain to spawn and profesor A and a hackey, the hard part of this is, no every part in this level is hard... u need long range unit to deal with professor A but hackey will snipe them, also to make it worse they have a lot of capy in front to deal with the spam unit, and mostlikly u gonna bring raman and 2 Eraser, but raman have a slow recharge compare to the other spam unit, and Another annoying thing is that if hackey snipe a part of u spam(or it is 100% going to hit them) u will have a part will no unit to protect u ubers. and aphrodite really do not work well since she will get snipe, if u have the anti red eva it will be much easier though. the black stage is also have some otter(black) and tackey at start. and when u hit base they become to spam a army of black. a couple seconds later a razor back gonna come out, u need bomber here other wise its losing battle, u might Think if razor back is stoped its all easy, but black enemy have extream push Power, so u also need a crowed controler like jizo. and there are also tackey sniping u cats. the Alien stage might looks easy, but its really not... all enemy are extreamly buff, and if u do not have aphrodite or extreamly boooosted cats, u pretty much lose, trust me the level was extreamly hard for me since i do not have aphrodite, and at start be carefull of the Alien kangru. they can be extreamly dangoures. and the boss wave have extreamly push Power, if am not wrong the ursa major have the same stat as the once in mystours order..........and a elder sloth which have a long range with over 1mil hp. The angel u need raman or its a lose, since 2 wiged pigge have extreamly high push Power. and other annoying enemy(chickful A and calamaria) to help, this stage is probrobley most easy one not alot to talk about. The zombie stage is impossible with out zombie kill, coffin doge and zammel who can not be killed with out being zk and also other zombie to surport attack ur base(zomboe, zacky peng and zang ru). the metal one................yeah maby one of the hardest metal stages is already hard and this stage have all enemy at 300%... why is metal stage hard? its beacuse rng, also u can not restart the level which makes. the sir metal seal have a bit less hp than metal cyclone and alot less dmg, but what makes its hard is that his speed, much faster than the metal cyclone and 300% supermetal hippoe is not any joke.

[@Artemis_NMRN]

my god this comment is long

[@SCP-up4ot]

i came back after i came back to the game restarting my progress... this is a nostalgia trip, thank you lucas iv for the memories

[@yokingcracker0183]

You know it's hard when even Lucas says it's to hard

[@mariano9427]

Haearts of darkness:obligatory bombercat Galactic threat:obligatory Afrodity Color of blood:Obligatory Apfrodity Fear of flying:IDK Seas of death:IDK Clash of steel:Obligatory Paladin/Girls and monsters L.Rare Angel stage:Obligatory Ramen First stage:Obligatory Eva-00(and afrodity)

[@mariano9427]

@Ziggy Ziegler waitress ISNT ENOUGH ,her single target isnt good for metal stage

[@mariano9427]

@Ziggy Ziegler octo dies in 1 second

[@mariano9427]

@Ziggy Ziegler ..........................

[@zing3r_]

I...Actually like growing strange. When I get the alien level

[@yeetushmm6073]

ZingerFlame i find the alien stage hard even with aphro cause i cant stall the beginnig with my erasers the red stage is ez for me tho and the angel one

[@Groffylom]

Now that I’ve beaten elddrich forces with Naga cat I have to deal with growing strange “Great”

[@woopadoopa8285]

I have an idea, what if they scrap growing strange, but wait until they have at least 10 relic enemies, then it's a relic exclusive stage with a 50% chance to get elder catfruit?

[@Cyro_Snow]

I love having a general team that can barely finish the stage for me and I still have to retry to stage with catfood at least once without rich cat

[@Cymp_]

Lucas: seriously unjoyable stages Chillhola: wow so ez Edit: chillhola has boosted cats thats why he its ez for him

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

Not sure if I'm crazy but I like repeating the part where Lucas says "Growing Pain".

[@Robotic091]

Amaterasu would be pretty good for growing strange since it has z killer in her talents but bro…. THE METAL STAGE IS ABSOLUTE SH-

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

KZbin algorithm has brought me back here again.

[@modernismisreal]

Same

[@Silvermoonmaker]

@@modernismisreal smae

[@ZacTheSword]

In a sense, I think we all know what PONOS is trying to drive at, it’s time to need Ubers like *need* them and not somehow be able to beat it with NO GACHA or cheese method. Notice that a lot of these new recent Ubers are more flexible against a wider range of enemies? In my opinion this is what 7.0 will be steering towards, and if u don’t like it then quit Edit:They also added those Omni strike enemies to anti cheese

[@jfreycarbajal6044]

ZacTheSword I see you, I share the idea of making it hard even for the ubers, BTW, they raised the level cap and gave true form legends, no gacha would still be a thing

[@ZacTheSword]

JFREY Carbajal no, it won’t be enough

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

Or we have ponos listen to our opinions. oh wait looks like they did

[@naveyhh]

​@@ZacTheSword ok

[@zombifiedoll1388]

I took a long break from the game and am recently coming backing, got to Growing Strange last week and honestly, it's not too bad after what ever changes they did since you made this video

[@alexeyganzha6144]

Seas of death is the WORST stage: even if you bring zombie killers it still is extremely difficult because of Zamelle and Zang Roos. And I agree that growing strange is very frustrating and my suggestion would also be to increase the drop rate of a catfruit to 10-20%

[@ShadowAphro]

The Cat God clash of steel is rhe shittish and hardest zombies are x10 betters

[@dankdreams5412]

I used Poseidon and cat-6, with some extra Uber’s to knock back the zang Roos, and I win every time

[@NeonWasInUse]

What are you talking about!?! *just spam heavyweight*

[@NeonWasInUse]

Here is a simple solution for seas of death...use vengeful cat and keep them guarded

[@henrytheanglerfish6290]

The Cat God I used Sarukani and Queen Reika and won easily

[@nc7718]

Jesus christ. A simple improvement would be getting a choice of two random continuation stages. My lineup can beat everything but Alien and Black consistently (besides metal but that's like an 80% chance of a win for me), so thats about a 95% chance of one of the stages being beatable.

[@cutiepieknight3698]

Ponos: nerf growing stage ok. *reduces the energy cost by 1, ups the chance for the fruit by 0.1, puts the metal enemy’s at 299%, 5 is not possible or 6*

[@Piggymon]

I was dreading this ever since I saw this video Now that I can finally access it, I realized that this stage isn't even that bad...

[@Viscidsquare040]

Everyone after merciless ex was released: Pfft merciless is too easy Ponos: Oh you think merciless is too easy huh? *Creates growing strange* Everyone: *surprised pikachu face*

[@soncinpain6529]

Lucas: *begs* Ponos: Nah,suffer. were not doing any thing about growing strange.

[@destrelyascorner4968]

Well growing strange is a joke to me to easy oof my ubers are all +45 and more some of them are max out no flex but i have been playing battle cats from the time it was released. Ahem rip credit card

[@ninul3479]

@@destrelyascorner4968 yeah not hacks

[@ZYu-jo3sg]

Imagine farming 5 seed then evolving it too a epic catfruit lol

[@tigerdhs6977]

Guys thank god that they took out the kalmary in the first Stage marking very so much easier.

[@leandancel4442]

What's this merciless actually being merciless WOW

[@jfreycarbajal6044]

_ R4ptor exactly

[@amphibiansriseup1267]

Dragon Edge Farming stages shouldn’t be this hard

[@hypwhoknowsanything3551]

It's no longer merciless... It's... Something more powerful...

[@MeargleSchmeargle]

Merciless? More like Unfair BS.

[@crazedaxebutbetter5208]

I honestly don't find growing strange to be that bad. it's kinda fun to go into the level and see what rng gives you for the continuation level, like how easy the zombie and black stages are, at least for me. it's a very unique idea to catfruit farming, and while it isn't as easy as getting normal catfruit, it adds a fun challenge and rng.

[@LordOfPowercreep]

it was nerfed thats why it is now like "deadly"

[@MountainPieEnjoyer]

i always get metal and black (and i dont have bombercat)

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

The only people who are actually defending growing strange are those people with several nekolugas, gao, mitama, or pretty much any uber who is good for general use. try doing the stages without them. without having +70 super rares or rares. see how many stages you can get by without using any ubers. sure some stages can be done but generalizing 7 different stages without ubers or +70 gacha is simply impossible. The hardest part about it is finding that balance that can complete everything it cant be too focused on metal or red because then you cant beat other stages. its gotta be some of all like 1/7 red 1/7 alien 1/7 metal 1/7 black 1/7 zombies 1/7 angels 1/7 floating But the thing is you cant really make something for all of them normally so you need to have cats with abilities against multiple types while still being good enough to deal with the certain type of enemies. example would be kasa jizo is good against angels and blacks but isnt good against winged piggie. The only cats that actually have decent stats against multiple enemies are ubers and legends. but the thing is legends really arent strong enough to make that big of a difference until you get their TFs but you cant get their TFs until you beat the stage youve been working on at most 25 times. or maybe slightly less by getting lucky.

[@chinjunsi7752]

Chillhola just do that look at his channel now

[@Zay243]

sandwich Sandwich umm you dont have a point people my must have ubers in my head because they made it this hard in the game

[@ducpham1478]

I'd defend Growing Strange against your 1st statement. I got 2 elder seed (out of more than 10 times clearing the 1st stage), my R/SR is definitely below +70, and my Uber base does not contain many well-rounded Units against most enemies (after more than 2 years playing the game) PONOS cannot always pleasing players. Growing Strange is hella hard without good Ubers, but I'd not blame them for that and ask for a debuff. It's supposed to be really late game and players encountering this stage must have a ton of experience in the game. And making this stage this intense proves that this game is not a P2W game. You'd need to be good enough to beat certain things, and that will further develop the game as well as the community of this game. If you don't feel like you could do it, just ignore the stage and play others. There're tons of stages that you can do instead of this.

[@Hephji]

I completely agree with the energy cost and the metal stage.

[@MountainPieEnjoyer]

btw this was a time when leadership didn't exist too

[@TheXientist]

Growing Strange? More like growing up and quitting the game

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

Xskull The Manic Dark Cat Nice.

[@LuigieGaming456]

No

[@toshinosukeishikawa4692]

yeah, watching this 6 years later and literally nothing has changed

[@xcivate3382]

I don’t feel like PONOS would listen to us that much but I feel that they have gotten in touch with the community before, they have made the concept of a “game” questionable with statements such as “not fun”. This is a game, not meant to be a challenge to people’s feelings.

[@mlgepicbanana69]

I can't agree with you completely, these stages need to be challenging just not complete BS

[@spectrei]

MlgEpicBanana69 eh tbh growing strange is the only really bad stage because stuff like nrf is pretty fun and doable no uber (or even no specific uber if you want to not include really good people).

[@dankdreams5412]

It’s a MOBILE GAME of course it’s going to be pay to win

[@spectrei]

TheMankDemer Stop right there.

[@NeonWasInUse]

TheMankDemer *KNOCK KNOCK* It’s on other platforms police open up!

[@michaelmac2247]

I think elder catfruit true forms should be reserved for legend cats and legend rares once they get true forms. Elder catfruit for ubers is dumb because you might get the Uber early on and need it’s true form without having any way of getting ANY time soon. But making some super rares require elder catfruit is flat out CRAP. I get they become effective against relics and you can’t use that until after you’ve unlocked growing strange, but why not leave the anti relic super rares to the advent cats. It all just seems stupid and unfair to me

[@BeeDaWorker]

I played growing strange recently and was like this isnt THAT bad Then i compare it to the unnerfed version and was so happy it got nerfed lol

[@machocatnyanya]

I got my first elder cat fruit today and I don't know who to evolve, it's either mina or slapsticks.

[@nalencasey9164]

I have a level 40 shishilan pasalan and the stages are insane

[@moomooplopadom5483]

Nalen Casey I have a level 47 shishilan and they are insane

[@nemotune6804]

I have a level 50 killer cat and the stages are insane

[@desperitisgotgames252]

I have a maxed out archer cat and it’s insane.

[@rakelord1595]

I have +80 stilts cat and it’s insane

[@Neon1880]

Nalen Casey I’ve just got bondage cat...

[@PaperCircle]

Me: my final elder cat seed! Now i can evo- [Clash of steel] Fuck...

[@DotOmega]

When you first see the cosmo catfruit cost: B##CH WTF

[@ryelo5448]

WoT Dimitris umm, how much xp do u get from selling an achient seed or fruit

[@Quogle]

rye lo same as an epic catfruit

[@ryelo5448]

Daddy is that the seed or fruit

[@Quogle]

rye lo the fruit

[@ryelo5448]

Daddy regit has a stream rn

[@La_Casa_Viola]

Couple years later nothing has changed about growing strange

[@Shroomyed]

Every stage got nerfed??

[@La_Casa_Viola]

@@Shroomyed barely

[@Timtams72]

Honestly what were they thinking when they designed this. I get why theres stuff like hackey and shit, they wanted to use the main(?) enemies from each type in these stages, but my god are these the most boosted stages ive seen to date. Its physically impossible to make a lineup for all 7 stages, even with ubers. If you don't have aphro, mitama or jizo, your basically fucked in that regard. This is dumb and it needs to change Also Hearts of darkness is the new Black premonition amirite

[@quartexgames9834]

Guide to 'How to use Gardener Cat': *Warning! Only for begginers* 1-Get Gardener Cat 2-Max his lvl 3- Go to some stages that are hard for you, collect much gold. 4-When the enemy attacks your base, use Gardener Cats and some long rangers. Note: You should have much base hp. 5- When strong enemies are dying, use some melee and meatshields. 6- If it doesn't work please, read the *Warning* note.

[@shadowstrider7224]

Me putting Sakura Sonic and Nanaho into my loadout: Imma end this game’s whole caree- The game: CoLoR oF bLoOd!

[@andrewmontoya713]

It costs a lot *in the beginning of video LITTERALY joins a stage that costs 800!

[@criticalf0ll0w16]

Damn it I can't true form deliquent cat

[@pas5word409]

Courier (Red) (Solos the stage with support) Octopus (Floating) (Permastall go brrrr) Bombercat (Black) (Easiest stage by far) DKasli/Ramen (Angel) (Kasli disables Pig weaken and Ramen permastalls if boosted) (If no Kasli just use the same unit that you chose for aliens) Phonoa (Alien) (Pretty much anything that outranges Ursa Major works, Phonoa isn't required) Nanaho or Catasaurus (Metal) (Pray to RNGesus) Shigong (Zombie) (Soloes the stage) M. Eraser (obviously) I put Can Can for slot 10 for early money Guarantees a seed as long as your units are decently leveled

[@lowzones605]

As someone who’s only at moon into the future chapter 2, seeing how hard this game gets later in the game is just insanity

[@Farfarlointain]

I unlocked Growing Strange like 10 days ago, and it used to be frustrating but now I'm cool with it. Just don't consider that 300 energy = 1 seed. I think Ponos wanted us to fail on some of the continuation stages so 1 seed would equal something around 400-500 energy depend on your lineup. Kinda like Growing Epic, but Growing Strange is less random because the better you'll get, the less energy it'll cost you.

[@PicaNL]

“Manic island....” He protec He attac But most importantly..... He Maniac!!!

[@coffeesc1875]

Also, He's dead lol

[@moistwaffle1080]

When one of the best battle cats youtubers says something is hard...

[@copycat3644]

I Wish it give a online PvP mode

[@eganwang6573]

Battle Cats Pop! has PvP. In case you don't know, it's the 3DS version.

[@imaderamacandraananta4052]

Looking back at this is not that bad now

[@MattPieti]

I like Growing Strange. It's a farming stage with variety and just the right level of challenge for high level players with a good number of ubers. The 1% drop rate for fruits means you'll probably have to farm it quite a bit to get what you want (which is pretty typical for Battle Cats) and it's somewhat predictable how much farming you need, but they offer the satisfaction of getting really lucky and skipping five farming stages at once. That would be less satisfying if it were 20%, instead being a frustration when you don't get it, and I don't mind playing it five times for one fruit anyway; that isn't even enough to go through all the colors if you don't fail multiple times. It gives players something to work towards instead of just getting their TFs as soon as the update is released and dropping the game until next update. It's indicative of the new direction they're trying to take the game with Uncanny Legends and fits quite well. Energy cost is fine since it's more advanced than the other catfruit farming stages. And I like being able to consistently challenge two catfruit stages at once for the weekly challenges. I'll concede the metal and maybe zombie stages could be a problem if you don't have relevant ubers and are a bit too luck-based even if you do, so those are less defensible. Also Cosmo's TF fruit requirement is dumb.

[@nathS2]

totally agree

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

"just the right level for high level players" High level players are the only ones actually complaining. once you get this far and beat relic bun bun, you are a high level player. the only reason people are liking this is because of the stupidly amount of good ubers they have. that what this entire thing depends on. RNG and good ubers. if you dont have ubers good for this then its just oh well. the fact that you have to farm this thing atleast 25(30 if you want to get drama TF). and there isnt frustration with 20% chance. why even have a fruit chance if its 1%? it literally has something great that you will never get. THAT is what is frustrating the energy should DEFINATELY be lowered. you can only play it about 2 or 3 times before the event ends abd there isnt even a guarantee you will get the stage you can beat. its impossible to beat all 7 stages AND the starting stage without having good ubers for this. That is where they went wrong. every other stage can be beaten without ubers. but this is impossible without ubers or stupidly overpowered super/rares that are +70

[@MattPieti]

At this point in the game, anybody who spends their catfood wisely will have plenty of ubers. It's still somewhat RNG-based which ones you have, but it's still easy to have at least one from each set and highly unlikely that all the ubers you have will be useless for these stages. Never get? I got it on my third or fourth play. Really lucky I know, but that's the point. Yes, you're intended to play it 25+ times, but there's that small chance you'll get lucky like I did. People like playing the lottery. And 25+ times really isn't that many by Battle Cats standards. How many times did you play the SoL, EoC, and CotC stages farming treasures? How many times have you played ticket and XP farming stages (with the good XP farming stages costing even more energy than Growing Strange)? People are only complaining about farming Growing Strange now because they dislike the stage. I said people would be frustrated if it was 20% and they didn't get it after, say, 10 plays for the same reason people complain about not getting treasures or other unlikely stage drops. Again, 300 isn't that much. It's less than XP stages, and it comes around daily. Even if you only play it twice per day you can get all the fruits you need in a few weeks. Which, again, isn't that much farming, really. The regular gacha TFs they add with each update just feel like, "Oh, I already have most of what I need so I'll just play that stage a couple times before I go to sleep then finish the new SoL chapter and I'm done with all the content they added this update." This way it keeps you coming back for a while and the farming is less tedious because of the variety and uncertainty. Ultimately, I think people are just frustrated at the difficulty of this stage so they're finding various things to complain about.

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

i have plenty of ubers, that doesnt guarantee the ubers i get will be the specific ones that will help, thats why i said specific and not just ubers in general.

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

There is a difference, playing an easy stage 25 times is nothing, playing a stage that you can barely scrape by on rarely 25 times AND beating it is nightmarish. i got my second seed today, only my second. by getting fear of flying. and guess what after i beat it? it didnt even give me the option to move on to another stage.

[@breezeice5755]

Did they change the percent of getting the cat fruit? Cause I got the elderly cat fruit twice in a row

[@Sunky_1234]

Why are people complaining about growing strange? Lmfao just beat the 7 stages👌😂👌

[@nightowlofnotofdoom1524]

Because some people don't have broken ubers and want to beat more than 4/7 withone lineup.

[@connormcdougall2773]

imma call "shit that never happened" for $500

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

Im pretty sure this is a joke.

[@Sunky_1234]

sandwich Sandwich Finally someone with more than half a brain cell

[@jfreycarbajal6044]

Sunky1234 yeah, being this hard done another effect, make spent more than ten minutes in the app, actually make me come back to the game and use my brain since everything else is beaten, and everything new was beaten in like two days

[@sebastianking657]

These stages are absolutely insane, I don’t have mitama but I do have gao, meaning these stages aren’t nearly as hard as they would be, and yet they still kick my ass. I use a lineup similar to Wuffa’s except I’ve put in Marauder, Anubis, and Jizo, and they make the stages bearable but basically if the start up is choked in any way it’s a one way ticket to not having a good time. I really do think that if the start ups of the stages were better things wouldn’t be so bad but as it stands now pretty much all the stages throw too many high level enemies at you at the beginning

[@AnnWahlquist]

I HATE growing strange... I HATE IT

[@Halfdanimations]

I don't really have a problem with it... I beat first and second stage on the very first try ;) my lineup is good against everything but zombies.

[@AnnWahlquist]

@@Halfdanimations haha, and the zombie stage is the only one guarantees me a seed....😂😁

[@ZzZ-qd1zo]

Holy crap, I've never hear Lucas's voice

[@0r4n]

2:53 aww baby bunbun 🥰

[@melindamead2242]

The thing is with growing strange is that I think it might be monkey's answer to the backlash tempered in flame (merciless) got, people said it was "too easy for the merciless difficulty" and people couldn't tell what was harder deadly or merciless so they wanted to clearly define merciless was harder they over buffer the level, now it was truely merciless as they gave you no mercy to beat it. I like growing strange!

[@melindamead2242]

Ponos's

[@adriansgaminguniverse4951]

It’s a good thing you can get a bunch from user rank

[@smokeybacon6194]

PONOS: only reads the second part of suggestion 6; ok, now you need to beat an awakening stage AS WELL AS getting elder catfruits

[@notjerrythejerryatall]

Lucas: "Holy Wrath is hard! (And the other stages.)" Me: **Laughs in True Form Juvens**

[@genericusername2571]

Me who rolled empires cat which is arguably the best generalist usage backliner: [Insert laughing man picture]

[@wooden49]

That "76% crowd control" rate: how about I don't do anything for 3 attack in a row?

[@genericusername2571]

Then you’d be a very unlucky man

[@wooden49]

@@genericusername2571 that time I got clash off steel and needed a crowed control for metal seal It didn't proc for 3-4hit and wasted another attempt

[@genericusername2571]

Oof your luck is being really bad then

[@bruhmoment6734]

Nobody talking about his voice crack at 0:12

[@Obelus.U83]

Its more of an emphasis I think idk

[@hypwhoknowsanything3551]

This is the list of the cats that requires elder catfruit or seed to evolve -ururun wolf=1 elder catfruit -lil nyandam=1 elder catfruit -mina=1 elder catfruit -miyamoku musashi=1 elder catfruit -mecha bun=1 elder catfruit -delinquent cat=1 elder catfruit -Drama cats=1 elder catfruit -cat clan heroes=1 elder catfruit seed -dark Catman=2 elder catfruit Sorry if I forget something And if you count it you need to win 92 merciless stages to tf all of them which is so cancerous

[@hypwhoknowsanything3551]

@@LucasIVYT yeah but you have to play the stage like 5 times+the 5 bonus stages and it was 10x to only get 1 elder catfruit

[@hypwhoknowsanything3551]

@@LucasIVYT yea...

[@opennowfool4929]

HEY u want TO EVOLVE DELINQUENT cat? nahhh u NEED A Elder catfruit

[@LuisSanchez-pw9uv]

I've already evolved my 5 legends, delinquent cat and drama cats. I even have 2 fruits and one seed saved in the storage waiting to get catman and cat clan heroes and I didn't know that there was a 1% chance of getting a fruit. Thank you for that big chance ponos

[@keebumlee4673]

Wtf dude already?

[@LuisSanchez-pw9uv]

@@keebumlee4673 Update: I've got catman. I didn't remember this comment

[@keebumlee4673]

@@LuisSanchez-pw9uv lmao I hot slapstick like rn

[@LuisSanchez-pw9uv]

@@Mission1010 Let's gooo New update: Now I have 4 golden catfruit chillin in the storage

[@naveyhh]

@@LuisSanchez-pw9uv 👍

[@someone2334]

What you need a lot is warlock and Pierre for for stages that he can’t attack or not seas of death so keep stack the warlock and Pierre’s so that when the hit the base they kill it immediately

[@hellothere1947]

I use cameraman instead of Jurassic because I know I can’t beat the metal stage so I just use his crit for the rhino and he is good in general.

[@someperson5312]

actually since there are seven stages, there could be one each day, so monday is colour of blood, tuesday is sea of death, wednesday is hearts of darkness, thursday is clash of steel, friday is holy wrath, saturday is galactic threat, and sunday is fear of flying.

[@sirmonke8946]

Awaken stages for legends would be really cool, you can just imagine what some of those might look like

[@3mandude601]

Ik this is an old comment, but it would have been cool if after beating sol, there were invasions in all of the legend stages for the true forms (except for mecha-bun because you get that from An Ancient Curse).