The BBC's failure to call Hamas 'terrorists' is inexcusable

This week, Jake is joined by Danny Cohen, the BBC's former director of TV, who hit out at the corporation for the way it responded to October 7 and why he wouldn't have resigned in protest.
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[@ilysestariq]

It’s clear to see who supports antisemitism by the words that they use when making reference to Hamas.

[@karlyoung1713]

@@ilysestariq I don't make reference to Hamas just the citizens also know enough history.i find we are given half the book.

[@user-yc5bc8zb1h]

I’m English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 , British 🇬🇧 . I despise the BBC .

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

For not being on the side of fanatical Zionists? It is _commendable_ for the UK's state broadcaster not to take the side of the UK's government on this.

[@johnnymookergee4935]

The CBC in Canada also calls Hamas militants, disgusting

[@brentdubecalgary5084]

bbc cbc abd abc are the same

[@timkempuk]

​​​@brentdubecalgary5084 that is very sad. I wonder if this is a collective thing where they have all decided between themselves to report in the same way.

[@jittmet7766]

All the govt-type media channels tend to echo each other. Australian govt media does too.

[@jittmet7766]

@@timkempuk Often they work with each other.

[@njuham]

Yesterday a Talkradio newsreader said "Hamas militants".

[@sharonhutchinson1574]

I think what disgusted more than anything is the fact that they would not class Hamas as a terrorist organisation .

[@nezbrun872]

@@user-or7cc2ht3j Hamas leaders live in luxury in Qatar. How do you think you can routinely send rockets from what you call a "concentration camp"?

[@alrosano5786]

@@sharonhutchinson1574 what about the IDF ?

[@LeeGee]

@@user-or7cc2ht3j If you need make things up to win an argument, you have already lost

[@jittmet7766]

Neither does the UN.

[@8_7478]

​@@user-or7cc2ht3j No understanding of what a concentration camp is.

[@Cvaut]

BBC has lost 5 decades of credibility for ever ...

[@LeeGee]

@@Cvaut Agreed. May I suggest you look again at any issue for which the BBC (or any mass media) helped form your opinion? I think you'll be shocked to learn what the establishment has been doing to Tommy Robinson. His Oxford Union speech is worthwhile, as is this recent Peterson interview.

[@skontheroad]

The story about the child with Cerebral Palsy I found very awful and have been tracking it since!! I find it terrible that he is being used the way he is, by so many news outlwts claiming the IDF did this to him! And they film the mother as well, who tells us how hungry and thirsty he is and it is bc of the IDF! Presumably, she is paid for these "appearances. ".. HOPEFULLY she doesn't know what they write about them afterwards!!?? I can't blame her for needing money and that he can come in and put on a drip, which he clearly needs! HOWEVER, they reuse these clips over and over, including a few days ago, and as a viewer, it is horrible to watch this child in pain. Or whatever his actual situation is! They are exploiting the situation, and lying about it, which is awful in itself! But then to blame the IDF??? DISGUSTING!!

[@jittmet7766]

But they always do this. have done for decades.

[@magentamagenta1274]

Tim Davie is directly responsible for condoning the systemic internal anti Zionism, anti Semitism. He has failed to uphold complaints effectively, he has failed to deliver impartial reporting, he has failed to provide unbiased media and has instead brought the BBC into disrepute. Denial and bigotry are not acceptable. It would also help if he employed journalists that have journalistic integrity, with standards of education, that know how to spell basic English and use English grammar.

[@LeeGee]

Ten and more years ago, I worked a a freelancer at BBC Radio 4, FM&T, and on the digital curriculum. I did not experience any direct anti-Semitism, but there is a horrible air of reified liberalism that makes the room go silent if you say something with which The Guardian would not agree. I got the feeling people generally meant well. It seems now, though, that things have significantly changed.

[@Cvaut]

BBC was once the most trusted news channel. Integrity, quality, unbiased.. democracies and other vouched. The last 8 months have washed all of it away.. biased, poor quality interviews, shamelessly distorted headlines, and it is most obvious that things have git corrupted and money is involved . The British taxpayer supports it, and they don't seem to be even loyal to them.. this is the case with others like CNN, too.. Sad

[@brendalandes1813]

How could anyone even think that Israel-invaded Gaza and started this was must be mad! My granddaughter has a friend who is a hostage. Who knows whether she is still alive? We want peace!!!!!

[@edaleman2758]

Peace on your terms. It doesn't work like that.

[@gheller2261]

@edaleman What the hell are you talking about?

[@edaleman2758]

@@gheller2261 haven't you noticed that the Colonists aren't dictating the rules any more?

[@karlyoung1713]

Too much cool ade is not usefull

[@LeeGee]

@@edaleman2758 Peace on our terms in our country. It works exactly like that. That's why there is an army.

[@universepress777]

Free Izrael, free Persia - Long live the true Iranian KING PAHLAVI , free Lebanon, free the Kurds and other oppressed ethnic groups all around the world from this HELL ISLAMIZATION.

[@themossad]

Nothing has changed at the BBC, it was always this way. The only thing thats changed is your eyes - you opened them!

[@sharonhutchinson1574]

I call the bbc the Qatar broadcasting cooperation.I think they are disgustingly.I stop looking at the main stream media a long time ago and that goes for newspapers as well .I watch independent media eg Mahjar Tousi tv .

[@exDamascus]

Sky News Australia is one exception - in stark contrast to its Uk counterpart.

[@themossad]

Time to come home to Israel

[@user-or7cc2ht3j]

2 million ZIONIST have left already

[@Evantrop]

Am Israel hi

[@deborahfreedman333]

Misrad klita valiyah requires a ton of paperwork.

[@themossad]

@@deborahfreedman333 it’s government. Government loves paperwork

[@elisolomon8741]

I found this piece to be extremely informative. And I cant help draw parallels with the ABC here in Australia. Our community also suffers the same bias and anti Israel rhetoric. And I look at you , can see you're both intelligent and highly credentialed. And just like the vast majority of Jews in Australia, you vote Labor. For the record, I never have. Our communities must wake up to the fact the left hate us and most mainstream media is run by the left. We need to collectively shift our political leaning. Or we shall collectively lose. God save the King. Am Yisrael Chai 🇮🇱

[@jimjames4348]

That was probably the thinking of the people at the BBC who decided not to call hamas terrorists to begin with, a form of both psychological warfare and constructive dismissal. The accounts of Jewish people currently working at the BBC are just as shocking.

[@enigmabletchley6936]

Why is there a BBC Arabic? Why are British tax payers funding an Arabic service, or indeed any specialised language service?

[@veralevy7036]

The BBC has a record of antisemitism for decades, and now they have no excuse not even through this gentleman who is not working anymore for BBC He could've speak up earlier, but this needs courage

[@user-qz7uu2lt4w]

Relative Peace Hmmm Just two people having a conversation And so far a good one But Relative Peace Is there such a thing

[@Funintherain13]

Jake is almost annoyingly understated.

[@cynthiaacevedo3286]

I thought BBC knows the facts and everything.Very sad😭

[@revol148]

Jake sounds just like David Baddiel !

[@bell1095]

Being jewish, is no corrective against being antisemitic biased.

[@user-or7cc2ht3j]

Being ZIONIST is no corrective against being antisemitic biased.

[@mdog111]

Were Begin and Shamir 'terrorists'? Or 'militants'?

[@Mark_Dyer1]

DANNY: Your initial point - about people ingratiating themselves with tghe 'boss' is well made. This is the problem if you are Sovereign of the United Kingdom, His Majesty's Prime Minister, Archbishop of Canterbury, down to the 'lowly' NHS Chief Executive (if the latter ever leaves his/her office!). You are observing a 'world' filtered through ambition and expectation. Usually this process is benign: but - when the person deceiving you is an Islamist Imam, or an Islamist politician (Naz Shah?) - then it can become dangerous, for a great many people. There is a cleric I follow, but do not admire (Gavin Ashenden; once Chaplain to HM, the Queen) whose watchword for Christians (and, I suspect, Jews) is 'DISCERNMENT'. We need to recognise when we are being lied-to. This is an enormous 'gift': and may have stopped a great many of us from voting for the wrong person. fpr PM, in December 2019. Unfortunately, far too many of us were deceived. To be able to practise 'discernment' ought to be one of the most beneficial 'tools' at the disposal of any 'boss'.

[@user-qz7uu2lt4w]

A filtered person Based on Hierarchy Now that Is an insightful statement Yes yes But needs to be said Reminds me of The Emperors New Clothes Any one out there heard the story Ya I’m rambling but got to fill up the time until Sunday when England well We will see

[@alrosano5786]

He mentioned moral compass 🧭? Wow 🤩

[@8_7478]

Your surprise regarding moral compass no surprise to me about yours.

[@syung8754]

Big Bag of Cobswollop

[@8_7478]

No such word. English needs to improve.

[@syung8754]

@@8_7478 thank you you big bag of C.....

[@8_7478]

​@@syung8754Your grasp of the language is incredible.😂

[@syung8754]

@@8_7478 how did you know I was going to call you carbohydrate? You big C

[@user-qz7uu2lt4w]

What does it matter what they are called

[@OLAFJELLVIKAAS]

👍❤💫

[@JohnHayes-od3be]

The victims that choose genocide and ethnic cleansing over empathy and humanity.

[@andrewwalsh2755]

So... if a man mugs a woman... and the woman breaks the man's arm... who is the aggressor... and who is the victim? If Israel, from Day1, disregarded the Balfour Declaration, which was an input to the Mandate For Palestine... and displaced existing communities... ... and decades later, the sons of the displaced attack the sons and daughters of the displacers... Who is the aggressor... and who is the victim? Who are the terrorists... and who are the terrorised? What's done is done, and cannot be undone... The indefensible cannot be defended... Dissolution is the only peaceful resolution.

[@moonshinesa8234]

Are you saying Israel ignored the Balfour declaration? As far as I know Israel received much less land than they were supposed to get. Arab countries received that “extra” land.

[@themossad]

This is a cool story. Did you make it up yourself?

[@andrewwalsh2755]

@@moonshinesa8234... the Balfour Declaration states that nothing shall be done to prejudice the civil rights of existing communities... but Israel chose to displace existing communities... which Was prejudicial to their civil rights?... Therefore, Israel disregarded the Balfour Declaration, an input to the Mandate For Palestine...

[@WeShallOvercome_]

I hope you are aware that the conflict began before 1948, and that many of those you call ‘displaced Palestinians’ were themselves economic migrants who arrived after the Ottomans were replaced by the British. Their Arab leaders calling them back home is repatriation, not displacement. The reason their leaders told them all to leave was so they could wage war and murder all the Jews there, including the Jews who’d lived there for centuries. Indeed, you forgot to mention the Arab aggressors who committed genocide against the long-standing Jewish communities of Hebron and Gaza, for example. Violence begetting violence, why have you left that out? You’re not trying to be reductionist, are you?

[@themossad]

@@andrewwalsh2755 lol 😂

[@andrewwalsh2755]

This was a real eye opening discussion. The issues I see are misunderstanding: Fundamentally... Antisemitism... What is it? The IHRA Working Definition Of Antisemitism conflates criticism of Israel (antizionism) with hatred of Jews, just for being Jews, (antisemitism)... which the rest of the world sees as bogus... but Zionists (not Jews) seem to accept this definition. Proof: Antisemitism is morally wrong... criticism of Israel (antizionism) for genocide is morally right... therefore, if antizionism is antisemitism... then... (morally right) is (morally wrong)... I.e. not valid, a bogus proposition. So, on the basis of a bogus proposition, people must be driven from their jobs, their livelihoods, unable to pay their bills, their rent, their mortgages... and are to be driven from their homes??? You see where this is going, right? You are offended, you want peoples social media monitored, you want them driven from their jobs... because they do not share your point of view... where will that lead?... Conflict???... 🤔 Maybe... just maybe... you should be guided by a moral compass, rather than taking offence at something you misunderstood? If your moral compass says: kill all women and children... drive people who disagree with me from their homes... then it is broken... get a working one?...

[@skontheroad]

Here is the difference, and I suggest reading the source material (both of their Charter statements), one side wants and has repeatedly offered, peace! Whereas the other side's ultimate goal is annihilation! And dont be fooled into thinking it is just "them" who is their target. Next they are coming for, and it says so VERY CLEARLY in their mission statement, the will be coming back for YOU!!

[@andrewwalsh2755]

@@skontheroad... I understand... Israelis today are in an impossible position...

[@magentamagenta1274]

@andrewwalsh2755 Andrew trying without any context to explain anti Semitism and applying acceptance of anti Semitism because of your skewed views is nothing whatsoever to do with moral compass. If people behaved in the same manner towards any other religious group or nation then give an example. Nobody would accept this kind of hatred being applied against any other religion or race. Where is the moral compass for the Israelis loosing their homes and business income due to terrorist bombing. Anti Semitism and anti Zionism are the same. All Jews have the right to exist and live peacefully in their homes, go to work safely and send their children to school safely. Whether this is in Israel or any country in the world that they live in. The BBC has not applied unbiased, broadcasting it has hounded and systematically applied egregious propaganda ongoing anti Semitism towards Israel, anti Zionism this affects the general population of Jews worldwide as being the truth, when it is nothing more than lies or distorted information that is baseless. It is unethical for a government broadcasting channel to do this. Do you see where I’m coming from. The people that destroy or offend the Jews in your opinion should accept this because people at the bbc may loose their job. That’s unfortunate that that is now a concern and it’s regrettable that the same concerns don’t apply to Jews and Israeli people suffering, every single day from a war started by terrorists, they are defending a tiny country, with global condemnation and criticism from armchair managers. It really is not very difficult to understand the difference between right and wrong. One thing that has been emphasised more than ever since this conflict began is that the decision that Israel become a sovereign state for the Jews was and is imperative for the survival of the Jewish people. Fundamentally anti semitism/anti Zionism/racism is wrong, toxic, vile and heinous especially when it’s used to fuel hatred through ignorance and bigotry.

[@edaleman2758]

​@@andrewwalsh2755 No they aren't, they can drive to Ben Gurion airport, show their other passports and get on a plane back home. Palestinians can't do that.

[@andrewwalsh2755]

@@edaleman2758... That is a peaceful solution... (I shall be censored if I use the "D" word!..)

[@user-xd9rn8vu1z]

The Jewish Chronicle should not be involving itself with other countries news outlets.

[@talbenavraham1478]

Involve with or comment on?

[@skontheroad]

Do you have an example of what you are talking about? The Jewish Chron has only a handful of sources and news outlets to turn to when looking for news to report. If something is then found to be anti-semitic or anti-Zionist, the Chronicle has a duty to shed a light on an anti-Israel or anti-Jewish bias! ESPECIALLY on the BBC which is publicly owned!

[@Spacecow78993]

Jewish Chronicle is British based, and has all right to criticism of national broadcasting which became Palestine terororist supporter!

[@user-xd9rn8vu1z]

@@talbenavraham1478 Both. The Israeli buys its way around the world by sticking its nose in other countries affairs.

[@8_7478]

Says the dictator.

[@edaleman2758]

If Hamas are terrorists what does that make the IDF? Given it's recent deeds and it's origins?

[@bigbinji6145]

Just imagine if the boot was on the other foot. There would be a million Jews dead by now ..........while the IDF carefully warn civilians ( and the enemy ) to leave the building before destroying the Haams building. Those that choose to stay ( the majority ) ....are simply seeking Martyrdom ....as propagated by the UNWRA funded schools

[@nostro1001]

An army of a democratic country, that is held to standards that none other are held & have demonstrated to go above and beyond to exceed war laws!

[@thomasjohansson5045]

An offspring of the Haganah - the organization which conducted the violent "Plan Da-l-et" in early 1948, expelling 300000 Arabs from their well functioning villages. A violent and out of hand immoral military organization conducting a massacre on innocent Arabs yet again while committing war crime after war crime.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@nostro1001 Apartheid Israel is no democracy, as its leading human rights organisation B'Tselem states: "The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group - Jews - over another - Palestinians. B’Tselem rejects the perception of Israel as a democracy (inside the Green Line) that simultaneously upholds a temporary military occupation (beyond it). B’Tselem reached the conclusion that the bar for defining the Israeli regime as an apartheid regime has been met after considering the accumulation of policies and laws that Israel devised to entrench its control over Palestinians."

[@pieinher67]

You can't excuse what you have done to humanity despite the endless webs that you spin.

[@8_7478]

You have limited view on the evils of humanity.

[@pieinher67]

​@@8_7478 no you can't handle criticism

[@alrosano5786]

Two guys A-shame and on denial ? Pretty much !

[@8_7478]

Oh the usual comments from Al Rosano. They don't listen to podcast, just make the usual anti JC remarks.

[@GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub]

Damn, so is Palestine allowed to have a military to defend itself too?

[@Ihaveaview]

What is Palestine??

[@user-it3dd6xm8j]

So The Jewish Chronicle is complicit in the Genocide too. Who do you represent?

[@rebeccahicks2392]

Hamas has explicitly said that they desire the extermination of all Jews. They started the war with a massacre of civilians---their attempt to begin a genocide. The only reason Hamas hasn't been able to carry out such a massacre every day since and accomplish their goals of an actual genocide has been the fact that Israel responded as would every country. Yes war is hell, but blame the party that started the war and that is continuing to reject all ceasefire offers. In other words, blame Hamas.

[@lforlight]

What genocide?

[@jzm2sg]

Tip: unite all calls with Hindus, yazidis, African and mid East Christians, Buddhists and no religious or ex Muslims who have all had the same experience.also helps expose their diversity or anti racist tags.