The Berlin Wall by The Fat Electrician - Reaction

[@eagle10799]

They actually sell tiny pieces of the wall in gift shops across Berlin. I actually bought a piece of the Berlin Wall during a school trip to Germany

[@thecosmicchief8465]

The fact that the wall is being sold for money is hilarious.

[@brianfite4740]

I too have a chunk (mounted on the lid of a beer stein). If I remember correctly, you also supposedly got a chunk with the collector's edition of World at War.

[@ranekeisenkralle8265]

at this point I'd doubt that there are many actual pieces left. In the 90s? Sure. But these days those pieces probably are replicas for tourists merely resembling the original pieces. But if it helps keeping the memory alive and prevents people from making that same mistake again (erecting a supposedly-communistic police-state), then by all means, go for it.

[@isaacgraff8288]

Since my dad was ARMY, my parents were in Germany when the wall fell.

[@DiggitySlice]

I would be highly dubious of those pieces even being real

[@lotuswraith]

Even in a post-scarcity society there will still be capitalism because, even though their basic needs will be met, people will still compete over luxury goods and services. Communism only works when two conditions are met: 1) all participants are willing to contribute to the society in which they live (no one is lazy), and 2) all participants are willing to accept their fair share of resources that society produces (no one is greedy); in short, the participants can't be human.

[@rysestormer9184]

I mean the only governance that ever worked with communism is star trek. And that is fiction

[@jackstefan8639]

Facts

[@janehrahan5116]

3. No one mis-judges their input or output.

[@danguinius3654]

It never works because it goes against human nature.

[@bluelick7578]

Even then I'd still say its a lesser choice even on paper since communism is about everyone just getting what they need and nothing more. The only way to get out of complete stagnation is for individuals to get curious about technological project or art, and everyone agree to spend resources on it. Needless to say that's incredibly slow. VS a capitalist world where progress is incentivized with rewards? Its not even a contest.

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

15:21 statement: those two fathers are absolute heroes.

[@The_cestelin_Holland]

Good afternoon tech priest

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

@@The_cestelin_Hollandresponse: good afternoon Holland. Query: how are you doing?

[@ALJ9000]

@@Azorees-oj5zr I’m doing good. I’m not who you were talking to, but I don’t like to leave a conversation unfinished

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

@@ALJ9000 response: I’m glad that you are doing well.

[@ALJ9000]

@@Azorees-oj5zr Thank you

[@joshuawillingham6363]

The biggest issue with communism is it's a contradicion in any practical application. The entire point is to balance the power and eliminate ruling and wealthy classes that control everything, but the only way to implement communism is totalitarian force, ie.making it so a small group controls all the wealth and power. But for some reason people who promote it assume people they would seize power in that situation won't be assholes in counter to every other system.

[@foxalpha09]

And in all actuality they would be digging the hole.

[@XtreemAlan]

It’s trying painting a perfect painting on a flawed canvas The canvas being human nature

[@ALJ9000]

I mean, you could just do the ol’ needle beside the eye, stop those pesky human errors

[@janehrahan5116]

"Communism can only work in two places. Heaven, where they have no need of it, and hell, where they already have it." - Ronald Regan

[@micahturner7062]

Ah a great quote from the union buster extraordinaire himself, he really makes you feel free with his corporate handouts.

[@ljb8157]

​@@micahturner7062still better than communism

[@janehrahan5116]

@@micahturner7062 Ah, the cry of the socialist, the unions that fell were not competitive in the free market, even many left wing (but not communist in a skinsuit) organizations recognize this. The "union busting" was almost entirely letting less corrupt and inefficient companies compete. Just like with Margaret Thatcher you blame the person who removed the unsustainable false protection, rather than the policies that created such inefficient institutions in the first place.

[@micahturner7062]

@@ljb8157 One can be pro-labor and not communist, thank you very much, it saddens me to see how effective state indoctrination has been on our people. You yourself being a prime example, not once did I mention communism, (If unions are commies, then the police, teachers associations, and firefighters are communist as well) Yet you immediately got all defensive as soon as I critique Ronald Reagan. Perhaps I struck the nerve of someone who benefited from unfairly shifting the tax burden from companies to the public.

[@ljb8157]

@micahturner7062 The whole video is about communism. That's why I brought it up. Sorry. Not a fan of unions either. In my experience, they just protect shitty employees, making it impossible to fire them. I'm a paramedic for 20 years now... you wouldn't want to call 911 if you knew how much the unions protect really, really bad medics!

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

Statement: I remember seeing a story about 2 families that worked together to build a hot air balloon in order to escape east Berlin. Thankfully they succeeded.

[@ranekeisenkralle8265]

Indeed. Many others did not. And I still remember some of those dreadful stories from when i grew up. Including some that involved refugees digging improvised tunnels, followed by the sudden appearance of heavy construction equipment topside for some government-task or other that would send vibrations into the ground to collapse that tunnel and bury those refugees. Or of course the secret police coming after people who may or may not have just been thinking about escaping and making them disappear...

[@katrinaprescott5911]

That's not the only time someone escaped communism via a homemade hot air balloon. A man and his son escaped Russia the same way and landed in Finland. I read about it in the 1980s.

[@Jawmax]

The thing is there will NEVER be post scarcity, because there is al one commodity that we will always have limited supplies of... time.

[@florianschneider3982]

This is obviously wrong

[@andrewkoehn6619]

@@florianschneider3982you have no idea of what humanity is do you?

[@Sorain1]

Yup, even full on 'I respawn when killed' Immortality doesn't change that. But more time does help make it less divisive.

[@ReinaSaurus]

old man: i dont want a cat hospitaller: gets cat anyway old man and cat: making youtube reaction videos together. or something. the emperor protects.

[@Wysterian]

Indeed, May the Emperror perserve and protect them.

[@anobservatory4227]

To think that wall, one of the most secure places on earth, fell pretty much on accident from a boring unrehearsed press conference. The sentence "As far as I'm concerned immediately, without delay." is a bit a meme in history circles.

[@katrinaprescott5911]

If I recall correctly, from watching this actually happen on the news, there was already an outflow from East Germany through Hungary which had already opened its border. I remember seeing video on the nightly news of celebrating people taking trains from East Germany to Hungary. So opening the wall was inevitable and I think no matter how they tried to limit the number of people the social pressure was so much the end result would have been the same. Akin to a small crack in a dam - the pressure concentrated on a small weak spot destroys the whole.

[@jimrupe9991]

"Mr. Gorbachev , tear down this wall." (Ronald Reagan)

[@NagaTales]

I was born before the fall of the Berlin Wall, and old enough to have /vague/ memories of the collapse of the USSR (I was living in France at the time). To see segments of my generation-and the ones after-romanticizing the Marxist ideals that I have watched collapse across the world growing up, with example after example after example of repeated failures and miseries, and simultaneously villainize the individualist ideals that so many people under those regimes were-and are still currently-risking their lives be a part of, is simultaneously mind-boggling in the saddest way possible... and deeply hilarious; in the same headshaking humor you feel while watching someone trying to push open a door labeled "Pull".

[@MortalFiber-cmg]

I find your commitment to avoiding political topics very commendable. It can get draining dealing with that space sometimes.

[@TrazynPrime]

Its more toxic than nuclear waste 😂

[@Wolf35063]

@@TrazynPrimeand easier to sort than the political environment

[@DiggitySlice]

If you ignore it entirely though than you're just admitting you don't care about morals or freedom and will just do whatever you're told

[@tmanknoll9702]

She probably wants to be outside camera view because it is an autofocus camera. Most autofocus cameras use IR rangefinders and most animals can see Inferred light, so she is just moving to where the light isn't shining at her.

[@BaronVonEntenteich]

I mean, even on paper communism is kind of wrong. Most, if not all, of Marx's predictions ended up not coming to fruition.

[@zacharyharwell351]

For real. The founding principles of communism only function when all people are of one exactly consistent purpose with no individual desires whatsoever. And any system that relies on such a thing will, by necessity, punish those who have individual desires

[@ljb8157]

Thank God!

[@insainetrooper7489]

When people talk about ''how great communism is'' and that I should accept and join it. I turn around and ask ''if its so great why haven't you joined them then?''. Only for them to state the reasons as if they are reading from script, Only for me to point out that they ARE reading off of a script by reiterating chapters and paragraphs from of Karl Marx's ''popular'' books.. It was a gift from someone who I hated that tried to convince me communism was good. I read it for a laugh from time to time, giggling like a child at the stupidity and lack of understand of human instincts and history.

[@endernoah9526]

How lacking-in-understanding was this gift? Was it mad ramblings bad, or was it more like flying tanks levels of bad?

[@insainetrooper7489]

It made points that made a lot of sense on paper. But in practise: had many loop holes and can easily lead to corruption It was heavy on the expulsion of the class system, independence from money, Equality and everyone working hard together. It failed to take in the Human factor. Like Greed, Power hungry and being lazy@@endernoah9526

[@DemitriVladMaximov]

Communism always will result in tyranny and starvation.

[@micahturner7062]

Correct- poorly managed revolutions often result in a Totalitarian-style gov't. Which is almost always tyrannical. But yet, Capitalism isn't the best system for a planet with finite resources. As the line must always go up, shareholders must get their kickbacks, prices on common goods must be maximally raised to fuel the money-making apparatus. TLDR; Yes, but maybe read up on American war crimes and numerous involvement with dictators.

[@duelgundam]

Karl Marx had an ideal, but it was poorly executed, and wasn't very popular. Vladimir Lenin had the right idea to focus on agriculture, but, again, poorly executed, mostly because of his anger-fueled narcissistic tendencies, which led to a LOT of people disliking him(to put it mildly). Stalin's communism is what became the standard for the Soviet Union(and in turn, North Korea and CCP), silencing detractors, and generally being a dictatorship that throws a temper whenever someone talks bad about you, because you basically practice Gianism("What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine"), leading to the people suffering, but being covered up by ungodly amounts of propaganda, pushing the blame onto capitalism, all because they can't govern properly. Not saying we should promote communism, as our modern society and technology renders such systems pointless, but it could have been better, if the people running the show were ACTUAL good people, and not a bunch of adult-sized babies who can't take criticism(especially you, Stalin. I hope you burned in hell)

[@rysestormer9184]

​@micahturner7062 I am going to say this almost every country has their skeletons in the closet not just America. And America is not the one who started capitalism, we just had biggest economy of most other countries after the 30s

[@ethanmoon3925]

People say "they didn't do Communism right" but Communism has all your stuff get distributed fairly... by people in the government... so in reality the government people take everything, pocket a lot of it, and distribute it according to their best interests. It's baked in. Give the government everything, with no accountability, and pray they act nice like they promised.

[@MrPingn]

Every system is vulnerable to corruption and abuse. But some are more helpful to that corruption than others. The more centralized the power it is, the harder it is to remove the corruption. Communism on the national level is too much centralization.

[@aaronmcx]

It seems that you are sometimes in a situation in life, where you need to be able to find something that is universally a positive. Watching and listening to things like fall of the Berlin Wall or the successful recovery of Apollo 13 are things that help us as humans believe that good can actually happen large-scale. It’s sad that we need this, especially in current-day. but it is understandable.

[@DiggitySlice]

That's what happens when people stop believing in God. Ironically communism is partially responsible for making the world believe that religion is irrational, because they couldn't have anyone believing in a higher authority than the state

[@johnshaffer3405]

Power doesn't corrupt, it is magnetic to the corruptible.

[@zombieslasher134]

Breathe oldman

[@teoteous]

I forget that there still people who defend communism.

[@treyjordan3168]

People are always willing to defend something that Always Fails if it sounds Good as opposed to something that Always Works if it sound Bad

[@ljb8157]

The world is full of stupid genocidal maniacs!

[@jerryt87]

Check any college campus. McCarthy was right.

[@DiggitySlice]

It's actually probably stronger today than in the last few decades. Colleges pretty universally support it, and many politicians do too. People just don't know history, or philosophy for that matter.

[@josephschultz3301]

I swear, "Operation Good Boy" is just the best name for a military-backed business revolving around pet products. That's just brilliant

[@bigdogdempsey605]

The pain we can see on your face brother, we normals feel your pain!!!

[@dakotalange2858]

What were the French doing during all this? Taking a nap? Having a revolution?

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

Response: probably both.

[@Dawsinderu]

Too be fair france kinda got fucked up during the war

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

@@Dawsinderu response: true, they probably assisted with transporting the stuff through France.

[@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly]

Don't even know why France was given a plot, they lost early in the war.

[@dp7933]

thinking back... I know at least 5 people who escaped the Iron Curtain. That's too many.

[@spirosgreek1171]

watching this with my newly arrived Fat Electrician Merch. Good way to start 2024. You know, amidst the rest of the chaos...

[@tulsibeepat3453]

I was a kid watching the wall come down I was about 5-9 at the time . The emotional joy at the time was truly an experience ❤️

[@Staren01]

Communism is a great idea until you introduce the human element. There will always be people who want power. There will always be people who are willing to game the system, for whatever reason. That's why it will always go to shit at the national level. It can work in smaller communities, but at scale there will always be people who are going to find a away to get outside the program.

[@TheAsylumCat]

In essence, people obsess over control, and communism asks for a big government to control the people to do what the government wants. The thing about politicians is that the more control they have, the more they want, and they'll abuse it in any way they can.

[@Nightmare_52]

Communism would work if people had no greed, envy, etc But we do so it won't

[@rysestormer9184]

​@@TheAsylumCat in Lemans people be people

[@katrinaprescott5911]

Even smaller communes fall apart over time (Shakers, Amana, etc.) The only ones that are even temporarily successful have a strong - usually religious - bond to help hold them together. The very concept is antithetical to human nature.

[@unclebob1842]

"Capitalism is not perfect but we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in" JFK

[@katrinaprescott5911]

Where do you think a "post-scarcity" economy is supposed to come from? Look at it this way, the fundamental unit of exchange is always work. Even if you are bartering goods, they didn't appear out of thin air. Someone had to collect, grow, build or breed them. That required work. To have food, shelter, energy, requires work and people willing to do it. How many people do you know who will work with no reward or payment? Or who will work when they get the same reward as someone who does not work? Imagine a class in which there are rigorous assignments, but everyone gets the same grade whether they do the assignments, how well they do, or even if they show up. What percentage of students will put hours into doing the very best they can on every assignment and show up to every class just for the benefit of learning? A few will. Most won't. And even in that scenario there is a reward gained - knowledge. Even if you had factories that produced food and clothing out of air, that would still require maintenance (entropy, dude) and distribution. And who builds the factories? Develops new products? Gets rid of the waste? Compared to how humans have lived throughout most of history, modern Western capitalist societies *are* post-scarcity. The variety, amount and quality of food available to someone even on food assistance today would be mind-blowing to someone in the working or middle class of the 19th century.

[@domination1985]

He has two new videos out on his secondary channel called the fat filees

[@ImprovmanZero]

The Jewish people made it work in a specific situation where they needed it to survive. It was a miserable experience but it was sustainable. Everyone celebrated it's end

[@martincibik3997]

"Communism under USSR was a bad idea". The saddest part is, what was happening in Germany is neither the best example of communism vs capitalism, nor the worst way to keep place communist. And I'm saying this as someone that lives in a country that was communist country, and feels the repercussions of that to this day, despite the fact that it has been gone for 35 years. And you have no idea how much hatred and rage I feel when I hear Americans praise communism Angron would probably look calm next to me in those situations.

[@ALJ9000]

I think you would like watching Nick (Fat Electrician) rant on communism on Unsubscribe Podcast

[@leitheparsons1186]

You know what the blue collar guys say" If you don't like cats, you just haven't had them served right!"

[@danguinius3654]

The problem with communism is that you eventually run out of other people's money

[@Wysterian]

20:11 I can only imagine the Germans just hearing the whole Anti-Facist Rampart BS and just being like: "WE were the Facists you fucking idiots!"

[@wadeenyart9676]

it was funny seeing his dog and your cat at the same time, PERRfect timing, lol

[@patryn36]

post scarcity will never happen, there will always be a limit to available resources, only the void is infinite.

[@SleepySlann]

23:05 I will speak up for Marx here, as he had been on record sayin that humanity was incapable of true marxism as humans are inherently too selfish. One of the most iconic escapes through the wall, in my opinion ,was probably also one of the first. Konrad Schumann was one of the east german soldiers tasked with guarding the wall during its construction. Except he decided to desert his post, jump the barbed wire and escape to the west. His jump was caught on camera andthe photo pretty much became the symbol of the wall and the iron curtain in general.

[@TUG3284]

The only successful conumissim we've had was the space program

[@katrinaprescott5911]

I think if you compare what Elon Musk and capitalism have done in spaceflight in just a few years compared to what NASA has done over decades you might rethink that... The only reason it took so long for private spaceflight to start is because government regulations prevented it.

[@josephschultz3301]

@@katrinaprescott5911 What on Earth are you on about, mate? One of the biggest issues that NASA _and_ the Soviets had with reaching the stars was the fact that they _pioneered it._ And yes, I'm actually giving the Soviets a fair amount of credit there. Mr. Musk's self-landing rockets arrived _over 70 years later,_ and yes, while impressive, it was the pioneering that NASA and the SSSR did that enabled later business ventures even remotely involving spaceflight possible. To ignore that, just because some billionaire threw an electric car into space as a flex, isn't just disingenuous, _it's flat-out idiotic._ Now, worded in a different way, perhaps your point of view could've been a little less sycophantic. Is the _future_ of spaceflight going to be a private business affair, as opposed to one overseen by governments? _Maybe._ But for that to even be a possibility itself, the private businesses will either need to gain _permission_ to do so, or purchase that permission from the governments wholesale (which is the much more likely scenario).

[@katrinaprescott5911]

@@josephschultz3301 do you remember the promises NASA made about the shuttle: I. e. the reusable space vehicle? Not only did they not meet their goals, decades into the program they were launching fewer payloads into space rather than more. Many commercial launches had to use Ariane rockets because they couldn't get payload space in any sort of reasonable time frame. Then they shut down the program with no replacement. To even get American astronauts to the ISS they had to send them up and get them back on Russian rockets. And it's not just NASA - it's the whole hidebound aerospace industry. Boeing being a cautionary example right now. Even with a seventy year monopoly, NASA could not meet the same launch schedule that SpaceX does to save their lives. I dare you to say they could launch that many spacecraft, turn them around and reuse them at the same rate. Even now, with SpaceX actually doing it - NASA can't replicate it. None of NASA' s contractors could, either. Granted technological enhancements have made regular spaceflight more of a realistic proposition now, but the current status of launches via SpaceX compared to the current level from NASA, Boeing Starliner, and the Russians - combined - tells the story. It doesn't just take free markets, entrepreneurship, and capitalism. It often takes one visionary who thinks laterally to transform an industry. However you feel about him personally, Elon Musk will be remembered as having the same impact on the industries he participated in as Henry Ford. Go watch the interview he did where he explains why he chose to use stainless steel rather than carbon fiber. Then think back to the decision and approval process both with NASA and it's contractors that was exposed in the Challenger report. Indeed, the crap that is going on with helium leaks in the Starliner thrusters (which has currently stranded two astronauts on the ISS) sounds exactly like all the crap that went on with the o-rings. Boeing may be a private company, but it's acting just like NASA, McDonnell Douglas, et. al. Like you said - NASA had seventy years. And at the end of it they couldn't manage even a regular monthly launch.

[@DiggitySlice]

​@@josephschultz3301so you're saying that the only thing stopping space flight from being private is because the government won't let it? Do you... do you see a problem there? At all?

[@richardrichardhaleysguitar8810]

Bible says swearing is wrong

[@pokedwar9376]

I couldn't agree more that it is a good idea on paper but communism under the USSR well slaves had more rights then the communists under Stalins rule

[@bluelick7578]

Even then I'd still say its a lesser choice even on paper since communism is about everyone just getting what they need and nothing more. The only way to get out of complete stagnation is for individuals to get curious about technological project or art, and everyone agree to spend resources on it. Needless to say that's incredibly slow. VS a capitalist world where progress is incentivized with rewards? Its not even a contest.

[@SomeKrieger]

Gonna train the wall

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

Query: wot?

[@The_cestelin_Holland]

He's going to train the wall​@@Azorees-oj5zr

[@VooshSpokesman]

Love from a Airier and Vaush fan!

[@rsrt6910]

I have some bad news regarding a "post scarcity society"... communism STILL won't work. The reason is that people are still, as the fat electrician pointed out, part of the means of production and humans have a biologically configured cognitive limit on the number of people they will conform to and produce labor based solely on cultural pressures called the "Dunbar number" which is around 150 people for humans. Which mean communism CAN work... provided that the commune is no larger than 150 people in size. Any larger and you'll need to start FORCING people to do work and then it becomes the aforementioned "shitshow" again.

[@KollinsPlays]

It's a lie to imply that soycialism would work "on paper" or "in a post scarcity world" because it only works on paper if you ignore multiple factors and there is no such thing as post-scarcity because even if you had magical replicators, it's not just having stuff, it's having the right stuff in the right place. Also, human desire is infinite, so even if you give someone everything, someone will always want more.

[@johnobrien2055]

You make a good thought, but scarcity of finite resources is just a truth of the universe.

[@shawnlynch7595]

While I do not think communalism is a good idea right now, I believe that capitalism has really reached it's limits in the US. The reason I feel this way is because the population keeps growing and yet more jobs or being replaced with automated machinery and computers replacing people. One glowing example I can think of is self checkout lines in grocery stores, and walnut I immediate concern with the creation of self-driving cars you won't need drivers for taxis and delivery vehicles. More and more of the simpler jobs are being taken up by machines and yet there are people, not all of them can be doctors or managers. So we need to think of something when most of our knees are met by machines and yet there are still people living with nothing to do.

[@DiggitySlice]

Speaking as a Californian, the biggest problem with employment is mininum wage going up, causing standards to go up across the board, which shuts out people with less qualifications.

[@shemasmcguire3999]

It's not the system it's the people who run the system

[@Shalltear773]

I would not have survived the USSR side of Germany for a day. I would not have been able to resist the urge to argue against their government in seriousness or jokes. from what I gather, communism would only work with the absence of human greed, avarice, hunger for power, etc. but you can't really have a society like that without removing things that make humans... well human, for better or for worse.

[@jtfbreedlove]

Kitty will never not crave views.

[@baur24]

Love the cat

[@FictionalAesthetic]

You sound better

[@2strokinit527]

Communism is great if everybody is actually equal. The problem is some beople end up more "equal" than others.

[@dontshanonau1335]

Meanwhile, it is also necessary to acknowledge that the US reject any court in charge of trying human rights issues and all US officials routinely "promise" an outirght invasion of any country that would try any American for human rights violations, including the Netherlands, which is the seat of the international court for human rights in The Hague. America is further in violation of several human rights in the UDHR constantly, especially concerning human dignity and workers' rights.

[@The_cestelin_Holland]

Sounds like boss is no longer sick

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

Response: he sounds better but still very sick.

[@The_cestelin_Holland]

@@Azorees-oj5zr I want to help boss out but I don't know how

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

@@The_cestelin_Holland response: all we can do is wish him well.

[@The_cestelin_Holland]

@@Azorees-oj5zr I wonder if there any jobs on discord that I can help out with

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

@@The_cestelin_Holland response: probably not, most of the things on the discord are taken care of by Valk, Hobbit and the other people in his inner circle.

[@codylowe1683]

Sounds a lot like the democratic party

[@brandonanimegod]

POST Scarcity doesn't help Communism either, sorry. Look at the Southern Ute Indian Tribe for a good example of what happens to a society POST Scarcity, Ruled by True Democracy with an economically independent social welfare state for it's citizens. You'll have an eye opening experience.

[@The_cestelin_Holland]

I didn't know that you were from south Carolina boss i thought that you were a Yankee but no you a southern like me

[@Ordog213]

I was born on the east side of germany......it was shit.

[@grahamdixon1699]

Wealthy capitalists are aware that post-scarcity would be the only state communism works in, which is why we will never get to be a post-scarcity society sadly.

[@kylewilson2819]

We’ll never to get to a post-scarcity society because it’s not POSSIBLE to get to one. There will ALWAYS be greedy people, power hungry people, etc. Our resources are not and never will be infinite, therefore a post-scarcity society is not possible.

[@grahamdixon1699]

@@kylewilson2819 You are free to feel that way, there have been people who believe the world doesn't change since there were first people and we made the first tools.

[@kylewilson2819]

@@grahamdixon1699 Oh piss off dude. It’s not cynicism or a refusal to accept change, it’s an acknowledgement of reality. Our resources are FINITE! Our LIVES are FINITE! Communism DOES NOT WORK and it NEVER WILL because it relies on a set of circumstances that DO NOT EXIST IN REALITY!

[@ethanmoon3925]

@kylewilson2819 Yup. We are getting pretty ivory tower in the west, where we think reality is about to be abolished and Star Trek replicators will make everything we need. At the same time, we believe that humans are overusing earth's resources, and in the future we'll have to be smarter about it and scale back... but that would mean making do with less... which means scarcity.

[@grahamdixon1699]

@@ethanmoon3925 You are thinking very short term. We are still evolving biologically and socially.

[@dylandepetro4187]

Yeah… communism does suck. However, so does 100% capitalism. Social-capitalism (basically what they have in UK, Canada, France, Italy, Germany… most of Europe) is perhaps one of the best forms of capitalism. I shouldn’t have to fear going to the doctor knowing that they will try to suggest that I get my heart condition fixed which is something that would likely put me in debt that I would have no hope of getting out of. I shouldn’t have to fear the $600 bill of calling an ambulance for an emergency. I shouldn’t have to be paying 20% of my income to the mob (aka the IRS) or risk going to jail. I mean if you’re gonna take that much of my income, then at least I should got free healthcare… erm… nope. It ends up getting spent on other things. Yes capitalism has faults, but at least they aren’t nearly half as bad as the faults of communism. However, there is a happy middle ground between the two that has the best qualities of both.

[@Psycho-go5yr]

Just keep in mind that a government that provides free Healthcare also has the ability to not only control how much care you get but also just outright take it away should they feel the need. It may not be an issue yet, but it could be. I tend to be very very wary about giving the government control of basically anything. And while I'm not a full blown anarchist because I do think you need government for basic things like protection from outside invasion and general law enforcement, I do want my government to be very, very small. Also just need to point out that medical innovation in those countries tends to be very low because government control over the industry makes it unprofitable to invest in medical research. You won't be able to make your money back. So those countries tend to wait for the US to make medical discoveries then take them when we share it for the general health of humanity. Almost half of all new discoveries come from the US. Our healthcare system may have serious problems but alot of the money being leeched from us does end up going into research and benefiting himanity as a whole. If all countries were like the Scandinavian countries there wouldn't be much innovation in the field of medicine because there would be no one whose homework they could copy.

[@frederickrimler8153]

You talk too much and ruin the videos