The Best AI Tools for Fiction in 2024

[@AuthorLeepoy]

I hope you also make a tutorial for Novel Crafter. I am getting sick of Sudowrite getting wrong while still charging me for their wrong analysis.

[@RaymondHulha]

He did kinda kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2fWl4F7rdigq9E

[@SidneyJamesXBL]

Thank you for this, great video! Would you mind doing a video 'Novelcrafter from the start' showing how a complete beginner can write a short story (say 5 chaoters) with Novelcrafter?

[@Mikew-sr1wc]

NC has their own youtube channel... and plenty of instructional videos as well as a few live streams where people's questions actually get answered in session.. 1 is planned for tomorrow.. 10 am eastern time..

[@janasher4940]

Novelcrafter has videos showing you how to load your story onto that platform. Do a search for Novelcrafter tutorials.

[@disdiamonds23]

Your videos have helped so much I was able to self publish my first novel with ai help and am now using novelcrafter and Claude to write my new fantasy series thank you for your work on these videos

[@keithtarrier4558]

I whole hearted agree with what you say, and all the different Ai models and services you use. You put the time in to test them etc. (unlike a HUGE number of so called "Ai experts" on KZbin) However, my opinion differs with Chat GPT... you CAN ( and I do) get very good results, but ONLY... and this is the big point.. ONLY if you train it first in the style you want to write in a CUSTOM STYLE. (Even better if YOU to come up with the final prompts and beats and story arc yourself, do this in another chat.) At the moment, you will never get CHatGPT to write an awesome book if you just say "Write me an awesome fantasy book about aliens who have romantic encounters on a beach" You need to train ChatGPT as to the style you want. THIS IS KEY. The more you train, the better and WAY better it gets. And by training, you have to have multiple chats open. You need to feed the style you want to one chat, and see how it responds. Get another chat to analyse that, and give you the best way to get that style of writing, and THEN make a "style guide". Test, test, test the style guide, and refine it, and you will soon see, once you get this style guide perfected, you are good to go. Feed the style guide to a new chat with Chat GPT. Give the style guide a short name like "Fiction Guide or FG" and every so often keep reminding it to use the "FG style". Still it is not easy. For my third novel, I wrote all my prompts in chapter by chapter Word.docx to see how many words I typed. Well, I type more words than the book total. BUT.. .I got the story I wanted, and the way I wanted it. AND I could never have had such an "awesome" writing style that I wanted if I did not train it. I tested that, and I tried it. Chat GPT requires more "work" as you need to tell it which chapter you are on, and so on, and so on. But you get awesome results when you do it correctly. *Writing one chapter in one go.... at the moment.. not the way to go. You will need heavy editing. Wirting piece of a scene by piece of a scene gets way better results in my experience.

[@ChrisVirgilio]

I spent some time just chatting with ChatGPT (free version) and together we came up with a pretty detailed Star Wars EU story. I figured it was something that had a lot of source material and the chat was all about it. I was impressed. It did seem, though, like the longer the chat got, the more details from earlier that it began to forget. I guess this is where the power of the codex comes in with Novel Crafter.

[@cybermidas3973]

It would be awesome if you posted a tutorial

[@mztech1925]

@@cybermidas3973 agree would be great content

[@ariesmarsexpress]

I use AI daily for writing and I recommend writing the story to the best of your ability, at the very least a detailed synopsis of each scene, and only then let it use that to flush out the scene. It's way too much work to go back and fix everything if you let it write the rough draft from just a few parameters. In this method, you can then go back and forth with it to refine areas. If you have it write, and then you go back and fix it, the reader is going to be able to tell that two different 'people' wrote the story.

[@InkedFrog916]

Would love to see you do a tutorial for NovelCrafter!

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

It’s on the short list!

[@Rajgitaa]

So it's Claude then. What i was hoping to get here was an AI to help with my novel, crafting ideas, suggestions... not to write chapter by chapter. I'm a writer. I write stories, I don't need AI to wirte a book or a story. I used to use Bard, then Gemini, then that got pretty screwed up and worthless to me. So I've been going between ChatGPT and Claude which seem to understand my needs and are pretty helpful, when ProWritingAids fails me. But I was searching for another tool that may help, in a ollaborartive way, other that the two I've using. Something more directly geared toward collaborative writing than my two AI buddies I now use.

[@-Evil-Genius-]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 📅 *Introduction to AI Tools for Fiction Writing* - Overview of changes in AI tools for fiction. - Distinction between AI tools and AI models explained. - Promise of a verdict on the best scenario for fiction authors. 01:35 🤖 *Chat GPT for Fiction Writing* - Introduction to Chat GPT and its capabilities. - Multimodal features of Chat GPT highlighted. - Chat GPT's value for brainstorming, world-building, and character information discussed. 03:24 🤖 *Claude as an Alternative to Chat GPT* - Introduction to Claude and its similarity to Chat GPT. - Comparison of different models within Claude. - Efficient use of prompts, including the super prompt, explained. 04:57 🌐 *Po and Open Router for Model Access* - Introduction to Po as a service integrating multiple models. - Overview of Po's pricing and model options. - Introduction to Open Router as an alternative with a credit system. 07:38 📜 *PseudoAI for Manuscript Enhancement* - Explanation of PseudoAI's role in enhancing existing manuscripts. - Overview of the brain dump and generation process. - Discussion of PseudoAI's community and plugin store. 09:31 📜 *Limitations and Pricing of PseudoAI* - Critique of PseudoAI's inaccurate chapter generation. - Discussion on the pricing structure and potential drawbacks. - Acknowledgment of redeeming qualities, including community plugins. 13:24 🚀 *Rexy as the Advanced AI Writing Tool* - Introduction to Rexy as a complex and advanced writing tool. - Acknowledgment of Rexy's higher cost and educational platform. - Emphasis on Rexy's power for authors serious about AI writing. 15:15 📘 *Novel Crafter as a Focused Fiction Writing Tool* - Introduction to Novel Crafter and its optimized features for fiction. - Comparison of Novel Crafter's learning curve with other tools. - Discussion of the pricing structure tied to open router and its advantages. 19:24 🚀 *Recommendations: Novel Crafter and Chatbot Combo* - Top recommendation for using Novel Crafter for fiction writing. - Suggestion to combine Novel Crafter with a chatbot (Chat GPT, Claude, or Po). - Consideration of budget constraints and the balance of services. Made with HARPA AI

[@jw8160]

Shouldn't PseudoAI should be sudowrite?

[@sverrearnes7769]

I retired 2 years ago after being a full-time writer for 45 years. In total, I wrote 232 novels, with the first 37 on a typewriter. I was completely tired of writing-it was becoming slower and slower. But now, I'm genuinely curious. Maybe NovelCrafter can give me a boost? However... I also have some unfinished novels (series) that I never managed to sell. Is NovelCrafter the right tool to polish this material, especially since I've been accused of writing in a somewhat "old-fashioned" style?

[@janasher4940]

I've used them all and this is true for me. Thanks for finally doing a great review of the top contenders and which does what best.

[@superbaddad]

- [00:00] 🖋 Introduction to AI Tools for Fiction Writing - Overview of the evolution and significance of AI tools in fiction writing. - Emphasis on the distinction between AI tools and models. - [01:22]🤖 ChatGPT and Claude: AI Models for Fiction - ChatGPT's multimodal capabilities and limitations in fiction writing. - Claude's advantages for natural language, but its limitations in multimodality. - [04:02] 🌐 AI Tools: Poe, Open Router, and Their Functions - Description of Poe and Open Router as platforms offering access to multiple AI models. - Comparison of their pricing models and user access features. - [07:26] 📚 Specialized AI Tools for Fiction: Sudowrite and Rexy - Analysis of SudoWrite's features and limitations for fiction authors. - Introduction of Rexy as an advanced, author-focused AI tool. - [14:05] 🖊 Novel Crafter: A Comprehensive AI Writing Tool - Novel Crafter's advantages for fiction writing and its unique features. - Explanation of its pricing structure and integration with Open Router. - [19:24] 🏆 Conclusion and Recommendations - Summary of the best AI tools for different author needs. - Final recommendation for combining Novel Crafter with a chatbot for optimal writing experience.

[@africanjack5094]

Hey there, Nerdy Novelist. I'm looking for something to feed data on my work, and it can serve as a sounding board and maybe see mistakes in my work. Thanks, man; I love your work.

[@JamesCharlestonII]

Great videos and explanations. I have ChatGPT, OpenRouter, and my own LMStudio with many of the LLMs running local. My question is what do you find to be the best open source LLM model, and your overall preferred model when you write? Thank you for your time.

[@johnellsworth5697]

That was so well done! Other reviwers should watch this to get schooledl. Kudos.

[@artofnoly9754]

New to AI. Thanks for the info. Gonna really get into it, I've decided. I'm 64 and in need of something to do when I retire. P.S. There's a tiny lag in the vocal track on your vids.

[@jakobbourne6381]

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[@jonathanbywater2063]

Really useful review. Thank you.

[@nedhenry]

Have you found what tools are best for non-fiction?

[@bIuecrimson]

I'd use novel crafter but don't know where to start

[@pericocornejo2221]

Hey brother! I just subscribed today..love your videos. I am currently looking for a tool that can just REWRITE any specific story (5000 + words)... I´m thinking about buying gpt-4 for it but it´s probably way too expensive for just rewritting...could you please give me advice? thanks!

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

AI is not really great at rewriting. Especially long form content. So there isn’t really anything in particular that I’d recommend.

[@pericocornejo2221]

@@TheNerdyNovelist but can GPT-4 actually do it without shortening the content?

[@spaceemotion1]

@@pericocornejo2221If this is about plagiarism checks, you could take a look at Netus AI (havent used them myself, so can't tell you how good they actually are)

[@phylliskhare]

this is how I'd describe my dream tool - and maybe you can tell me if any of these would fit.... I already have a good first draft of my novel. I'd like to train the ai on it - and have it not only fix any story structure problems, but flesh out all the characters and the overall descriptive nature of the prose. Does a tool like this exist?

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

Training an AI on a specific book isn’t really possible yet. Not easily at least. But I’m sure it will be within a few years. Possibly months.

[@LandareeLevee]

I’ve seen good stuff about AutoCrit. Not sure how actually good it is at it, considering that one way or the other it has to rely on current LLM technology (which, as Jason said, isn’t quite there yet to digest whole books that way, other than perhaps with insanely expensive API calls), but it certainly seems geared for that purpose, and I can see how it’d be good enough for at least prose analysis.

[@timberwolf7175]

Have you ever tried toolsaday ?

[@Sycaid]

So would Novel Crafter with a Openrouter key to access Claude 2.0 be the best combo?

[@Mikew-sr1wc]

if you like Claude, go for it.. but keep in mind that OpenRouter currently has 76 models to choose from.. including the previous versions of Claude and GPT.. NC it's self was/is designed to be a stand alone writing app, the ability to work with AI inside it is icing on the cake..

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

For most situations yes. But there may be instances where a different model might be needed.

[@Sycaid]

Thanks for replying again and for being helpful. I binged watched three of your videos last night, hehe. @@TheNerdyNovelist

[@chumnutzly]

Is this still accurate as of August 2024?

[@mprado4177]

Your videos are awesome! Best on KZbin for using AI for fiction authors. Great presentations and information. Thank you so much!

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

Glad you like them!

[@anonymouse1593]

Any recommendations for software that automatically formats your book correctly from your text? I'm a bit of a "dump" writer and I hate the process of formatting. I wish there was a tool that could at least get it into a decent shape and let me touch up errors after

[@thinkingaboutdrinking8829]

Thanks for video. I have a first draft written of a fiction novel. I used Atticus, but now am of using an AI to edit and suggest better wording, chapter breaks etc... I will still hire a person for their input, but do you suggest a particular AI to edit my first draft

[@spaceenemiesnovel]

Thank you for the great video on this topic. So what model should you use with Novelcrafter without paying for 2 services? I am planning to use Novelcrafter.

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

I use Claude 2 model most often, then I would switch to one of the open source models (usually Mistral) if Claude has issues with the content.

[@aomukai]

Aren't you concerned that competitors of tools you introduce run campaigns to flag posts on YOUR KZbin channel, to make them disappear? I notice several comments on NovelCrafter vanish here.

[@janasher4940]

I just checked his video 'NovelCrafter vs Sudo' where I posted several times about the lackluster performance of Sudo vs NC for me - and I've used them both a lot. My posts are still up on that video. I've posted on other YT channels regarding the issues I have/had with Sudo, and I did notice that my posts were taken down. So now I know they are just a Sudo Sales Channel, so I unsubscribed from them. I am quickly finding which channels are working a revenue stream from the AI vendors only rather than giving real and honest reviews. I don't have time to deep dive to see if they are trustworthy enough to act on thier info. I have to say his last video mentioned above had me thinking he was not a source of honest info. But this video put him above the water line again. What he says here is the truth. If I see him deleting NC posts, I will be leave. And I always tell others which channel are just maketing hype and not real info on other channels as well.

[@blinkofaneye4451]

Jason is awesome. He uses the products he discusses and gives impartial opinions based on his use experience.

[@myfocustoprogress7228]

Yeah I think this dude is legit so far. From the few videos ive watched Hes always seems to bringing up what diffrent services can do better and how to pair different ones to get great results. I think hes Cool I hope he stays that way

[@unfluster]

I just need to know the basics of Novel Crafter, but am getting lost in the details. Can you do a very specific video so a person doesn't get sidetracked and waste time and money learning Novel Crafter? (Then later, you can do a more specific video.)

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

I'll be doing a 101 video sometime soon.

[@digitalwiz]

Hi, I'm writing a criminal gang story, is any of these you talk about, write adult fiction as in violence and sex scenes, as everytime I write my story and get assistance from chatgpt 3.5 and claude ai, they won't help you with anything violent or sexual. Oh, and what software is best if you are already started your fiction writing, and basically I don't want to start over again. Is there one you can enter what you already have and go from there?

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

Novelcrafter. You can switch between models there, so when GPT or CLaude stop working, you just switch to an open source model and continue from there.

[@Altegore]

You can use the DAN prompt for ChatGPT to sort of jailbreak it. I never used it for novel writing before, but have used it for offensive jokes, songs lyrics and just whatever and it mostly did ok. Once I even successfully made it write a racist song, so - it's possible. Google the DAN prompt, learn how to use it and then incorporate it into writing prompts.

[@digitalwiz]

@@TheNerdyNovelist thankyou love your videos.

[@ChrisVirgilio]

Being brand new to all of this, I’ve seen a lot of videos on Novel crafter and want to start writing some stories. I just don’t understand how to make Open Router work with it. I get how to connect it, but how do I actually use the various bits of Novel Crafter and setup the AI models and whatnot? I tried chatting either the Al dev and got an endless loop of nonsense.

[@Mikew-sr1wc]

depends on the model and setting's.. it helps to stop in NC discord and see what others are using the most and ask about some good settings for that model, and then fine tune them yourself to how you like it..

[@ChrisVirgilio]

@@Mikew-sr1wc I guess learning a bit about how AI works is required. Prompting seems to also be something worth learning about. I know that tinkering and watching videos on Stable Diffusion helped my results a lot there. That’s a whole other ballgame though.

[@Mikew-sr1wc]

@@ChrisVirgilio prompting is most definitely a whole nother ball game, but NC will be rolling a prompt hub out where we can share the one's we've created. although we already do in the NC discord server... the settings themselves affect your interactions with the AI, you can dial it down for more focused interactions when world building, character creation, etc. and then adjust them to get more creative when brainstorming and writing the prose and stuff... that is without playing with prompting.. also, if it starts looping or spewing garbage, then most likely, the temp needs to be dropped a notch or 3 and you also might be using a model that has a smaller context limit, unless it's Clause or GPT.. the lower the temp, the more coherent the model is.. some models need a temp of say, as an example, 0.3 - 0.7. and then some models like GPT can remain coherent at higher temps over 1.2 - 1.7.. just depends on the model you're playing with..

[@ChrisVirgilio]

@@Mikew-sr1wc thank you for the input. It’s a little annoying that there is so much variation, but I suppose that’s the point, isn’t it?

[@Mikew-sr1wc]

@@ChrisVirgilio oh yeah, there is no set standard as of yet.. especially since there are now so many open source models out there and more coming out to choose from.. but this is still in it's infancy, especially for use in writing stories.. although we do have some in the NC community that are working on finetuning models for writing. that takes time.. we are in a very small minority in using AI for this purpose.. and finetuning it to write especially in different character voices as well as mimicking your narrative voice is a challenge..

[@user-ej6wi7px6q]

Your videos are great, thanks so much. Discord is however a major bummer.

[@jimmydavis7587]

Could you do a video on AI content detection tools and if you think ppl will know you have written your book using AI? Looking at the good quality paid AI detection tools

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

AI detection is thankfully unnecessary. Amazon and Google do not care. Also all detectors are notoriously inaccurate. So no need to get any.

[@unfluster]

Why would analyzing images and audio matter if your writing a novel?

[@carlkim2577]

Is Verb completely out of the picture now? I tried it before, and it seems to be quite useful.

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

It was great when it started. But they haven’t really done anything with it in months.

[@spaceemotion1]

They showed a big banner that they want to shut down the service and need time to rethink things. when you go on their site it might show you a warning even :/

[@alexey635able]

Does claude superprompt also works with poe’s and openrouter’s version of claude?

[@LandareeLevee]

Yes.

[@karansonkar2434]

Free?

[@TheCanofbread]

No LM Studio?

[@Mikew-sr1wc]

NC has LM Studio as an option as well as Kobold and ollama to bring your own model.. as well as several paid vendors..

[@MagnusItland]

LM Studio is interesting, but to run the beefier models needed for writing, you need a hideously expensive computer and graphic card. I don't see how it could possibly be justified in economic terms, compared with Openrouter. I have it myself, but only as a curiosity. I still use Claude and Gemini Pro for writing. If there are any local models that can play in the same league, I'd love to hear about it.

[@Mikew-sr1wc]

@@MagnusItland i gave up on claude back in july, it has issues with any type of violence, and haven't played with gemini pro . i run mistral and airobours plus a few others locally. working with NC with small codex entries they work pretty good, just have to finetune the setting to get something usable out of them.. but the same goes for any model out of OR working in NC.. always have to adjust the setting before getting good output..

[@shebreathesingold8043]

Can you share how much it cost to write your AI-book, in terms of AI costs to just use the claude model? Thanks.

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

I was using Claude Pro, so that's $20/month.

[@alexey635able]

Also, can you share a sample of fully filled-out superprompt you don't need? I want to understand how exactly it is constructed based on your example and see whichever versions of claude and other ai models will work with it or not. (I know I asked you elsewhere but you still haven’t replied so…)

[@Waqulah]

I have a crush on Claude. XD.

[@asifaslam4230]

How to find direct clients for our fictional work??

[@blinkofaneye4451]

Putting it on Amazon is the easiest way.

[@rustneversleeps85]

Hmm, is there no fiction writing AI that doesn't go by number of words you are wasting, but you pay a monthly subscription and you have limiless playground?

[@BRIELL3plays]

I keep trying to post a helpful comment, but it continuously gets deleted. Are you deleting my comment, and if so, can you tell me what I am doing wrong? Thanks.

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

I'm not deleting anything. Must be flagged somehow?

[@BRIELL3plays]

@@TheNerdyNovelist ​ @TheNerdyNovelist ​ It's probably KZbin, ie Google. Probably has something to do with me promoting ChatGPT-4 via a competitor's browser. Again, thanks for the Novelcraft recommendation!😃

[@myfocustoprogress7228]

Hey that happen to me as well on another channel. I thought the same thing as you, that the host was deleting my questions for some reason. Thats how I ended reaching out to NovleCrafter. One of my questions was asking about an option and pricing but the other was about checking the content produce by Ai, was your advice along those lines? I wonder if that caused the comment to be deleted for some reason

[@janasher4940]

@@TheNerdyNovelist Is SudoW flagging the posts to get them deleted off your videos

[@TrueGritSociety]

Claude and ChatGPT are both broken from what they used to be, it is sad that the more they are trained the less helpful they have become when it comes to writing.

[@TheNerdyNovelist]

Claude 2.1 is the only instance I know of where that’s the case.

[@jw8160]

Title correction: The Best AI Tools So Far For Fiction in 2024 The year just started so I don't see how you can be determining the best tools for the whole year already.

[@BRIELL3plays]

He did say that he will continue to update this list and would be making another update this year, alluding to this being a work in progress.

[@jw8160]

@@BRIELL3plays but the title doesn't say that.

[@ChrisVirgilio]

This is the age of AI. The AI already knows the answers, lol.