The BEST Arguments Against Mormons Using Their Own Books - 100% EFFECTIVE! | ​⁠

[@ChristOverAllJeremy]

The young LDS apologist ran after hearing this opening statement, so you know this is effective. Timestamps: 0:00 Is Joseph Smith A Modalist? 2:00 Is Joseph Smith A Trinitarian? 3:05 Was the LDS God A Man Like Us, Or Has Been God For All Eternity? 6:03 Did Joseph Smith Contradict The Bible And The Book of Mormon?

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

Not a modalist or a trinitarian. God both became a man like us and is God for all eternity. (That's kinda the foundational teaching of all of Christianity.) And did he ever contradict? Maybe, nobody's perfect. He was an illiterate farmboy, not a theologian. That's why it's so impressive that he managed to produce such a perfect and profound theological framework at the times he acted as a conduit for God's revelations, it's what makes him a prophet.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

​​@@KnuttyEntertainmentLOL 😂😂 try and block me Mormon boy!!!😂😂

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@davidjanbaz7728 Why would I block you when stalking me is one of the few sources of satisfaction in your life. I couldn't just take that away from you.

[@boardtodeath46]

There sure are a lot of people who feel threatened and have a need to attack what they don’t understand. Kinda childish really. Why don’t you just focus on Jesus and follow him? Why this need to bring down other Christians?

[@oterosocram25]

@@KnuttyEntertainment it’s really early enough to quit the LDS and spend your time in the truth. Do it before it’s too late.

[@Wretchedsinner777]

Been studying these im going to utah for 10 days next month never knew too much of mormanism until i came across sam 🙏

[@oterosocram25]

I’ll be praying for you big time, check this out: About ten years ago I was getting really deep into apologetics and started with Mormonism. I was supposed to go to Utah for a specialized training for my job then my training was changed to California but then, there was an issue where they had to change it back to Utah, then I learned that Utah was huge in Mormonism, I got very excited and started pushing even harder to learn the LDS movement. I was studying on my flight and was praying “please Lord, let there be a seasoned brother so we can hit the streets and have conversations with many Mormons. Well, the Lord honored it 150%. my car driver also my partner on the training, seasoned in Mormonism was a believer and wanted to evangelized also We spent ten days, every single day and night witnessing to Mormons. We took the tours and the free passes to museums, we asked and challenged every tour guide and was very rewarding. We got kicked out twice and were threatened that on the third we were going to be arrested, our picture was placed somewhere for missionaries to ignored us. We ended up connecting with a group of 10 singing and worshiping in front of the main temple entrance. Anyway, pray and be bold, be respectful and kind and please chose which mountain is worth dying on, they are very cultish and have a lot of hidden stuff. Also, many of the contemporary missionaries are not too familiar with the real dark pass of the cult so be ready with evidence to present.

[@davehooper885]

If this is representative of what you think you know about Mormonism, then you may be surprised to find that you still know nothing of it.

[@oterosocram25]

@@davehooper885 let me guess, another Mormon denying the truth and defending a cultish false teaching

[@MDJUtah]

@@davehooper885 Do you live behind the Zion Curtain?

[@davehooper885]

@@MDJUtah I am your neighbor. It's a small world

[@HollywoodBigBoss]

Great break down of the heresies of Joseph Smith. Glory to YHWH the One True God. Glory to the Father, Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Son & the Holy Spirit!☦️

[@peytonblase8253]

God bless you! I’ve just began to try and witness to my Mormon family. Thanks so much!

[@MoroniGivens-jq9mi]

I showed missionaries this video looked like Excorcist heads spinning running away

[@MichaelHill-o4t]

YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE TOP OF YOUR GAME TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SAM IT,S UP TO U XXXXXXX TO EVERYTHING EVERYONE PEACE ✌️ 🙏

[@virginlamo8202]

Just from the way Joseph Smith wrote, you can tell he wasn’t too bright

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

Yeah, he was an illiterate farm boy with maybe a 3rd grade education. That's why the Book of Mormon is a miracle. It's not possible for anyone to have written it in the conditions he did. (orally dictated it blindfolded in one draft over two months with no materials.) Much less someone like Joseph Smith.

[@rhamsesmartinez5007]

​@@KnuttyEntertainmentThat's why it has a lot of issues as well. That's why the church won't canonize the entirety of the JST, and that's why the amount of changes made to the D&C in just 87 years (1833 to 1921) are astounding. In fact, had the bible been changed at the rate the D&C was changed, it would have been unrecognizable. Entire sentences and paragraphs were added or removed from the D&C. Which is ironic, coming from a church that condemns the manipulation of scripture.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@rhamsesmartinez5007 I don't see why prophets aren't allowed to curate their own revelations. Plus, you can always just go look at the earlier versions if it bothers you, nothing is being suppressed. Also the Bible has been changed that much. Not only are there textual variants galore, but there's centuries of dead space between the authors and the earliest manuscripts. Untold amounts of corruption could have happened in that space. Especially because manuscripts become more standardized and harmonized as time goes on. The earlier the manuscript the greater the variation.

[@rhamsesmartinez5007]

@KnuttyEntertainment With all the changes made to the Bible and the "untold amount of corruption" that could have taken place during the "centuries of dead space," its surprising that a church with at least 15 prophets, seers, and revelators, at any given time, still uses the KJV and encourages its members to study it as the word of God. So, is the Bible reliable or not? Not even the JST or "Inspired Version" is referred to as the word of God. As for the D&C, one thing is to update a revelation; to give new instruction that supersedes the former, but what JS and other leaders have done is revised the "revelations," changing their meaning, and presented them as the originals, as if nothing had been modified- as if God had spoken only once on the matter. This is deceitful. However, it is evident that changes had to be made because conflicting doctrines were being taught and/or practiced. Furthermore, you stated that nothing is being suppressed, yet LeGrand Richards, Joseph Fielding Smith, John A. Widtsoe, Hugh B. Brown, and others, all stated that nothing from the D&C had been changed. But you and I know that's not true. In fact, in 2013, Steven E. Snow, former church historian and member of the Quorum of the Seventy stated, "I think in the past there was a tendency to keep a lot of the records closed or at least not give access to information. But... with the access to information on the internet, we can't continue that pattern." In other words, the LDS church would have continued suppressing information had it not been forced to be transparent.

[@rhamsesmartinez5007]

@KnuttyEntertainment With all the changes made to the Bible and the "untold amount of corruption" that could have taken place during the "centuries of dead space," it's surprising that a church with at least 15 prophets, seers, and revelators, at any given time, still uses the KJV and encourages its members to study it as the word of God. So, is the Bible reliable or not? Not even the JST or "Inspired Version" is referred to as the word of God, or at least, not treated as such. As for the D&C, one thing is to update a revelation; to give new instruction that supersedes the former, but what JS and other leaders have done is revised the "revelations," changing their meaning, and presented them as the originals, as if nothing had been modified- as if God had spoken only once on the matter. This is deceitful. However, it is evident that changes had to be made because conflicting doctrines were being taught and/or practiced. Furthermore, you stated that nothing is being suppressed, yet LeGrand Richards, Joseph Fielding Smith, John A. Widtsoe, Hugh B. Brown, and others, all stated that nothing from the D&C had been changed. But you and I know that's not true. In fact, in 2013, Steven E. Snow, former church historian and member of the Quorum of the Seventy stated, "I think in the past there was a tendency to keep a lot of the records closed or at least not give access to information. But... with the access to information on the internet, we can't continue that pattern." In other words, the LDS church would have continued suppressing information had it not been forced to be transparent.

[@edwarddecker8050]

Thanks for taking the time to learn about the Mormon LDS cult and alerting your viewer community about Mormonism and their founder Joseph Smith (a Freemason].

[@HiddenThingsofGod]

A simpler argument against Mormonism is Isaiah 43:10-11. God says plainly there was no God before me neither will there be after me. So he did not evolve from a man to his Godhood. Neither will Mormons ascend to Godhood by multiple marriages nor good works while here. Neither was there a mother God who gave birth to other gods. Mormons are good people. Couple that with the claim that God and Jesus appeared to Joseph Smith when the Bible says no man has seen the Father it is clear he is a false prophet. I hope and pray they seek God with their whole heart and find Jesus waiting for them with his arms open.

[@ChristOverAllJeremy]

Careful to quote the Bible to them because they will say it is corrupt. With their own scriptures, they can’t say that.

[@HiddenThingsofGod]

@ChristOverAllJeremy Perhaps but they would be wrong. That quote is Old Testament which is verifiable since the dead sea scrolls exist and have been directly translated from the original text and match with the standard Old Testament works of today's Bible. They could say it. Wouldn't make it true.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@ChristOverAllJeremy We just say the Bible should be translated correctly. Or do you think any and every translation of the Bible is scripture, including the new world translation? It doesn't mean that we just throw out passages we don't like.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

The problem with quoting Isaiah is that Isaiah isn't a monotheist, he believed in other gods. He's using a common figure of speech from those times. The same figure of speech is used to say there are no other cities other Babylon or Nineveh, or that there are no other swords than this sword. He's basically saying "my God can beat up your god." Here's a video by evangelical scholar Michael Heiser on the topic: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZ6ydpyBpK2Mmrc

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

And, Latter-day Saints don't believe that YHWH started out as a man. He started out as God, and then became a man... named JESUS. We also don't believe that Heavenly Mother gave birth to other gods, nor that we achieve godhood through polygamy or through our works in this life. There are also several instances of man seeing God in the Bible. Joseph Smith essentially saw the same thing Stephen saw in Acts when he saw the Son standing at the right hand of the Father. Also, the idea of becoming like god is called theosis, and it’s been taught in Christianity for 2,000 years. The idea is still taught in Catholic and Orthodox churches, and that’s because the idea is biblical: First, we are outright called gods, the very children of God (Psalm 82:6/John 10:34) and children can grow up to become like their parents (Romans 8:16-17). And just as Jesus was glorified to rule like his Father, so shall we rule as they do (Revelation 3:21), for we shall also be like them in that way (1 John 3:2). Indeed we are commanded to become perfect like God the Father is perfect, and God would not give us a commandment that would be impossible for us to keep (Matthew 5:48). And in so doing we may become one with Jesus and the Father the same way they are one with each other (John 17:20-23).

[@Callahan757575]

I debate Mormons and they piecemeal everything that they accept from one moment to the next. One thing that melts them down tho is saying Jesus made Satan. They think he is his brother.

[@Scott-t2p]

Lucifer hasn't always been a satan

[@Callahan757575]

@Scott23882 he was a Cherub which was a creation of Jesus.

[@Scott-t2p]

@@Callahan757575 scripture only says what was created in Christ

[@josephodoherty7864]

​@@Scott-t2p That is an oxymoron.

[@Scott-t2p]

@@josephodoherty7864 not everything is in Christ

[@kpgecclesia]

I never knew that much of mormonism nor about Joseph Smith. I am thankful that the Lord has given me the opportunity to stop and study this cult to continue teaching the truth and refuting false doctrines. Thank you!

[@midimusicforever]

Jesus is the savior!

[@ZDR59]

The bible says you will know them by their fruits... You are not saved unless it is by confession Jesus is Lord and believing you are saved by his blood and he rose on the third day which is not his death but is the grace of god. You're obviously not doing what revelation is telling you if you don't know Christians of every race to fellowship and relate to.

[@macburninman17]

The trinity is just a concept to understand God throughout the old covenant, Jesus life and early church history. As a believer I have no issue considering Jesus as the father.

[@israelperez-sg8er]

Truth sure is strange stuff, no one can stand up to it! The bible is truth from our creator, deal with it!

[@johnrockwell5834]

Same demon who came to both men.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

If you want to say Joseph Smith was deceived by the devil, I'm sorry but that's just not possible. All the angels that visited Joseph Smith had physical resurrected bodies. So they couldn’t be devils because devils are just spirits. Joseph Smith also casted out demons, so Matthew 12:24-28 proves that he must have the spirit of God. He also fulfilled, Revelation 14:6 which says that an angel will deliver the gospel in the last days, and finally all the angels that visit Joseph Smith pass the test of 1 John 4:1-3.

[@johnrockwell5834]

@@KnuttyEntertainment Then they aren't Angels. Because Angels don't have those bodies.

[@johnrockwell5834]

@@KnuttyEntertainment Deuteronomy also has a test for a Prophet. Which is that all his predictions must come true.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@johnrockwell5834 Angel literally translates to "messenger" I am not claiming that they are seraphim or cherubim. malakim/angels in the Bible are always represented as physical people that are often mistaken for regular humans. The idea of resurrected human messengers has precedence in the Bible. e.g. the prophecy of Elijah's physical return, Moses and Elijah on the mount of transfiguration, the resurrected Christ.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@johnrockwell5834 Those verses in Deuteronomy do not say that every statement from a prophet must come true. It's not even really a test for prophets. It's a test for individual prophecies, it basically just says that if it doesn't happen then it's because the prophet got all uppity and presumptuous and gave his opinion when God didn't command him to say that. An example of this is when Moses strikes the rock and makes water come out when God didn't tell him to do that. There are also occasions in the Bible, such as Jonah's prophecy of Nineveh's destruction, where God does command Jonah to say that, but it still doesn't happen because God changes his mind. There are examples all over the Bible of prophets sinning and not doing what God told them, that doesn't make them false prophets, it just makes them human. As for Joseph Smith, his track record is pretty impeccable, over 400 fulfilled prophecies so far, and of the few that critics like to hold up as failed, I have yet to see one that actually holds up to muster.

[@VAATAUSILI4139]

Some, are extremely lacking knowledge of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.

[@dereksyota]

MORMONS don’t believe in the church of the Bible. You are polytheistic in your views. And your false prophet Joseph Smith was a man who in fact did not have an understanding of the Bible and copied direct verses from the Bible into HIS doctrine and twisted it. The entire chapter of Romans 3 contradict 2 Nephi 25:23. And this is the sole reason why it is a false religion. It’s all you need to refute your false religion that I used to be a part of. Because if you can only be saved by grace after all you can do, you do not have grace do ya? If that is true our Lord died in vain. Because he died so we do not have to be perfect. That is why he fulfilled the law. So we don’t have to because it is impossible. There’s two ways to heaven, stay true to the law, which is impossible. Or put your faith in the man that is Christ Jesus. And that doesn’t mean saying you love Jesus and partying. It means giving your life to him. Trusting him and not leaning on your own understanding. Which is a very difficult thing to do in and of itself. I will tell you this my friend, you don’t need a church to save you and you don’t need a prophet to speak for you because it has been finished. Jesus was perfect so you don’t have to be. You just need to put your faith in him and to love him. It is about relationship. That’s all he asks of you.

[@spencermontethompsondesmotti]

Mark 9:38 -41

[@ultimatespidybawlz2198]

A lot of people who join the lds church don’t actually understand the doctrines and real teachings of Mormonism. They just see the lds church as a denomination of Christianity and not something that’s completely different

[@dereksyota]

It’s because their god changes constantly to fit cultural standards.

[@MDJUtah]

Mormons use Christian terminology, but with radical redefinition.

[@boardtodeath46]

The church of Jesus CHRIST of Latter Day Saints is the most complete church on the planet. You can Frett and wail all you want but it it won’t change. You can attack, mock, twist scripture, insult, sit in your echo chambers and pat each other on the back thinking you are effecting the church. There is a reason it’s the fastest growing religion, and the wealthiest. It’s because it is the Saviors gospel. He allowed it to be buried for over 1600 years, to bring it back in these latter days. The fullness of his gospel. His temple, his ordinance. Those who are attacking his gospel now, have the same spirit it their heart as the ones with spears pointing at him, as was held on the cross. Do as you will

[@Hun_Uinaq]

Dude, it’s a crock of shit. You’d have to be an idiot to believe it. You can’t look at it objectively and take it seriously. You’ve got to suspend your disbelief in order to give it even the slightest bit of credence.

[@jaysonb.6669]

Didn't Satan promise Jesus the world if he would bow to him? Are you certain that LDS "wealth & power" is coming from Jesus Christ or is it a demonic source attempting to distract & deceive you?

[@rhamsesmartinez5007]

Please cite your source. Because from what I find, Islam is the fastest growing religion. Does that mean Isalm is the true church of Jesus Christ- they believe in Jesus as well? I was a devout Latter-Day Saint my entire life with no reason nor desire to leave my faith. Then one day, unexpectedly, God showed me the Catholic church. I can assure you that the Catholic Church is the true church of Jesus Christ; that it has the fulness of the gospel. It is His church of which He said the gates of hell would never overcome. And I can say, as fervently as you have for the LDS faith, the Catholic church is the Kingdom of heaven on earth. And as much as the rest of Christindom cries "Apostasy!" and spreads myths and misinformation of its origin and doctrine, it will stand forever.

[@boardtodeath46]

@@rhamsesmartinez5007 well I hope you are happy. That’s what matters.

[@jordanott5464]

@@boardtodeath46 the church has been at between 14-17 million members for the last 20 years, it has not grown at all. from what I saw I didn't see any twisting of scripture in this video. not tryna be confrntational, but he just read from the book of mormon and d&c, with no twisting done here

[@boltrooktwo]

Hebrews 1: 2 “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;” Jesus is heir even of being the Eternal Father. The only thing the true church contradicts is Trinitarianism, a creed created by jealous violent people.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

Okay, but if Hebrews 1:2 is teaching closed canon, then Hebrews itself isn't scripture because it is written by a prophet after Jesus. Might also want to check out Revelation 11, 14:6 and Matthew 23:29-39

[@boltrooktwo]

@@KnuttyEntertainment I didn’t mention that I thought this taught closed canon, I don’t think it does. I think it is an example of refuting the Trinitarian creed when it says that his Son is appointed heir of all things.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@boltrooktwo Ah, gotcha. Sorry, most people use that passage as a proof text for closed canon so I jumped to conclusions. I agree about the trinity thing.

[@diegorodezno423]

And the coward of Kwaku Ran from the debate

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

Kwaku isn't a debater, he's an influencer. And he wasn't looking for a debate, or trying to score points, he just wanted a discussion. He left because he got fed up the other guy's attitude. I don't think Kwaku should have left and he should have known what he was getting into more, but he definitely wasn't a coward.

[@diegorodezno423]

@@KnuttyEntertainment He did'nt answer any of the questions presented by Sam, the contradictions between BOM; and DC, and even the BOM itself. He ran to his safe space because he wanted a politically correct debate.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@diegorodezno423 No he didn’t want a debate at ALL. I saw the video, I know what happened. He went on to have a casual discussion and left because he didn’t sign on to be interrogated. It has nothing to do with not having answers for the questions.

[@davidlawson5871]

Sam is a bully that is always running at the mouth even the commentator felt the same

[@williamdai8796]

As someone specialized in treating Mormonism, it’s honestly pointless to quote scriptures to them because to them all scriptures are fallible even the bom. You can only use philosophy and psychology

[@ChristOverAllJeremy]

I haven’t come across Mormons who believe the BOM are fallible. But I’ll keep that in mind too.

[@williamdai8796]

@@ChristOverAllJeremy that’s one of the other issue why you can’t quote scripture is because one you asked 10 Mormons the same question they’ll give you 10 different answers. a lot of them will straight up tell you that all scriptures are fallible because they do believe by their own logic that all profits are fallible so if the scriptures are written by prophets, the scriptures are also fallible, so they can’t make that argument

[@ChristOverAllJeremy]

@@williamdai8796 sure. Then use that against them. I would ask them how do they know their religion is infallible? How certain are they that they will go to heaven and become a god? Have you asked that before?

[@williamdai8796]

@@ChristOverAllJeremy someone believe that some of them don’t again you have to understand who you’re talking to every Mormon believes differently. That’s a tough thing about dealing with a cult you’re not debating someone in a religion. You’re debating someone who is literally in a cult that’s harboring demon spirits within them for their whole lives, they simply tell you that everything is subjective truth is subjective religion is subjective so you can’t really change your mind a lot of will actually go there

[@sk818factory5]

​@@ChristOverAllJeremyyou both sound like the pharisees and the sadducees. Blinded by your own interpretations you ignore the teachings of Jesus completely.

[@TREVORALLEN-tl4yt]

It’s amazing that god can create everything except a holy book, he needs us for that ?

[@kiwisaram9373]

Would you then expect God to write a book in English on gold plates and have it float down out of the sky? Wouldn't it be more likely having created our own hearts God wrote all we need to know upon them? That would certainly stop others from perverting that which was written as they cannot own all those hearts upon which it was wirtten?

[@kiwiburciaga]

Trevor Allen, If God need a human to helping, then God wouldn’t be Omnipotent. GOD instructed men how to write the Bible; not that God need help.

[@TREVORALLEN-tl4yt]

@@kiwisaram9373 ls this the same god who wrote Leviticus and Deuteronomy, l certainly wouldn’t wish that on anyone’s heart .

[@sanfranfan49]

@@TREVORALLEN-tl4yt If you read it you would see those instructions were for the Israelites because when we read the New Testament we see what the new law is and how from the blood of Christ we’re free of sin through repentance and obedience to god

[@TREVORALLEN-tl4yt]

@@sanfranfan49 You need to read it!.Matthew 5: 18 .

[@Jer20.9]

The book of Mormon reads like the koran

[@andrewye1160]

Because both authors of the two books were illiterate 😅

[@harrymurray9702]

@@andrewye1160 Worse, under demonic influence.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

Please be honest. Have you actually read either the Book of Mormon or the Quran? If so, please name specific similarities.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@andrewye1160 That's why the Book of Mormon is a miracle. It's not possible for anyone to have written it in the conditions he did. (orally dictated it blindfolded in one draft over two months with no materials.) Much less someone like Joseph Smith.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@harrymurray9702 If you want to say Joseph Smith was deceived by the devil, I'm sorry but that's just not possible. All the angels that visited Joseph Smith had physical resurrected bodies. So they couldn’t be devils because devils are just spirits. Joseph Smith also casted out demons, so Matthew 12:24-28 proves that he must have the spirit of God. He also fulfilled, Revelation 14:6 which says that an angel will deliver the gospel in the last days, and finally all the angels that visit Joseph Smith pass the test of 1 John 4:1-3.

[@hide181chef17]

The first minutes of the video is contradicted by the fact that Joseph Smith saw both the Father and the Son as a young man, thus clearly indicating that they are two separate beings. To understand why the verses you quote do NOT contradict the fact that Jesus can be described as being both the Father and the Son while being two entirely separate personages, better ask LDS scholars or find relevant information on the issue rather than (with all due respect) challenging Kweku!!

[@Callahan757575]

No..

[@randomjuanlopez4449]

I am sorry you’re this brainwashed. You’re conditioned to get confirmation from “scholars” that said black people are cursed and that you will become a god one day. Please repent and give yourself to Jesus Christ, the true Jesus Christ.

[@ChristMilitia75]

There are 7 or 9 versions of his first vision

[@mattmurdock2868]

Joseph Smith had encouter with Lucifer, the angel of light.

[@LCD04]

Bruh 😂 Your telling me Joseph was greater than the prophets of old that he got to see Gods face??

[@boltrooktwo]

The Trinity still interjects false language from a creed made by uninspired men, false prophets with no calling who didn’t understand how Jesus and the Father are one. They claimed they were consubstantial and claimed any other interpretation was false and used violence against any who disagreed, that tradition is not worthy of continuing nor worthy of God. Jesus and the Father are separate beings but are perfect in holiness to be one.

[@albusai]

Same being. God doesn't share his glory. Jesus says to yhe Father the glory I had with you before the world 🌎 was

[@boltrooktwo]

@@albusai Jesus said he received all glory from the Father - Revelation 3: 21 - a scripture with a warning to not change. The Father spoke of Jesus in the Bible “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, hear Him.” Language used for offspring and a separate being. God cannot lie. You don’t call yourself him, or refer to yourself as a son you love. The culture of Abraham knew what a son was, why don’t you?

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@albusai He also says in John 17:20-23 "and the glory you have given me, I have given them. That they may be one with us the SAME WAY we are one with each other." And in Romans 8:16-17 it says that we are joint-heirs with Christ glorified together. So God definitely does share his glory. That's actually kinda the whole point of making man in the first place.

[@DC78539]

There is not 3 God's, only one, why is this do hard for false Trinidadian to believe? Are there 3 thrones in heaven or one? Is there 3 kings? 3 lords? This 3 person trinity thing is a cancer among Christians. It's disgustingly blasphemous

[@jordanott5464]

Hoe do you get past him saying 'I am the father' though? I'm still just learning stuff, I'm not sure how you interpret that statement any other way

[@michaelparks5669]

This guy does not understand what the purpose of the verses he reads therefore his interpretation is messed up. You can do this with the Bible or any scriptures,

[@colonalklink14]

Too bad that Sam Shamoun has another gospel.

[@jordanott5464]

care to elaborate?

[@colonalklink14]

@@jordanott5464 He doesn't believe that Jesus provides everlasting life. There is no gospel without OSAS. Furthermore, he says that you must repent of your sins to be saved.

[@jordanott5464]

@@colonalklink14 you're saying that sam or jesus says you must repent of your sins. As far as I've known jesus did say you need to repent is that incorrect?

[@colonalklink14]

@@jordanott5464 When you have believed on Christ alone for salvation then you have repented unto life. Saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation. Jonah 3:10 calls turning from sins, " works."

[@georgesaliba8876]

@@colonalklink14 we aren't always saved, we're saved once. With the eternal security that no one can pluck us from the Father's hand

[@NancyBrown-xw8hg]

You really do not understand, there is a huge difference between the true and living God revealed in the Book of Mormon and the false god of the Trinity. The god of the Trinity is invisible, not just unseen but un-see-able. In the very first chapter of Lehi has a vision and he sees God the Father sitting on his throne, he is a see-able and he is a man. Then Lehi sees Jesus descending to the earth as a separate being from the Father. In Mosiah 15 which you half way quoted it says the will of the Son is swallowed up in the will of the Father. Two separate wills just like in the New Testament, two beings not one. "One" can mean 1 or it can mean one unit. The Book of Mormon uses the one unit formula.

[@sanfranfan49]

May god the father bless you and you be saved through Jesus the sons death so that the Holy Spirit can touch your heart because your god in the book of morman is pagan

[@ultimatespidybawlz2198]

By the way god the father is technically visible in the bible. In revelation John sees the father in all his glory on the throne

[@CharlesKim-ee8ie]

Joseph prophet : - kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2XCi2pqh7WGf8k

[@typg9397]

This guy is a victim to his own arguments against Joseph Smith. The Bible contains many contradictions that must be justified. Doctrine is continually read into Scripture as it is constantly reinterpreted. Most of all, however, Christianity is ever evolving. I doubt this guy wakes up before Dawn and sings him to Jesus. I doubt he prays or baptizes for the dead. I doubt he venerates saints. I doubt he believes in purgatory. The list goes on. He holds his beliefs because throughout the roughly 1900 years of Christianity people have reinterpreted and reimagined what Christianity looks like. The biggest offender being Luther who I can almost guarantee is the foundation for his doctrine. Maybe stop condemning other people for searching for the truth & let God be the judge of people. You will be judged by the measure you hold other people to. Better hope your doctrine is 100% right.

[@InitialPC]

yes protestants and catholics interpret the bible differently, neither of them justify these differences by claiming the bible is wrong

[@typg9397]

@@InitialPC It’s irrelevant. The Bible is just one part of the religion. If you don’t hold to the purest original Christianity, you fall victim to the very arguments he is making. He is asserting that what he believes right now in this period of time is absolute truth.

[@InitialPC]

@@typg9397 No Christian gets Christianity absolutely right, if they could Jesus would not have needed to sacrifice Himself. The arguments about LDS CANNOT also be said about other denominations of Christianity.

[@smsmsm94]

Catholics accept the bible Protestants use to try and prove Catholics wrong and it is they who constantly misinterpret it and hence thousands of different protestant churches, Luther, Smith and co all contradict each other, trying reading prominent protestants that have converted to Catholicism.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@InitialPC Which arguments against Latter-day Saints are you referring to specifically?

[@En-myvh]

haha

[@michaelmartinez5217]

Haha verily.. Muhammad says verily in hes lie and Joseph says verily in hes lies. Im sure its in other books too but ive never heard of it in anything else. Jesus said truely truely i say to you. Not verily verily... Lol im sure im wrong but still.

[@JaysonCarmona]

Joseph Smith wasn't a modalist, if you think so you need to read more because you're mistaken. Joseph Smith wasn't a Trinitarian. One is the Book of Mormon means united in will and attributes, not substance. Joseph Smith taught that Christ could only do what He saw The Father do (John 5:19), making The Father an eternal perfect God. Joseph Smith didn't contradict anything in the Bible. I've read the Book of Mormon 20 + times and entire Bible 4 times and the New Testament 10 times.

[@ChristOverAllJeremy]

Satan can read the Bible 100 times and still be a damned to hell. Can you then tell me why Joseph smith cleats Jesus is the Father and the Son? Address the points, instead of telling us to read the book again.

[@JaysonCarmona]

@@ChristOverAllJeremy Jesus is the Father because we are spiritually begotten through His sacrifice. He is the Son because of His flesh and also in Ether, He appears in His Spirit body. Ether 3:9 Because of thy faith thou hast seen that I shall take upon me flesh and blood; D&C 130:22 - The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us. Mosiah 5:7 - And now, because of the covenant which ye have made ye shall be called the children of Christ, his sons, and his daughters; for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters. Sam may know the Quran and Bible, he's a novice when it comes to the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants Read the Doctrine and

[@zackhansen5773]

You argue in bad faith. No mormon would state that Joseph did more for us than Jesus. If the Spirit that spoke to this man was anti-Christ, why is the divinity, grace, and perfection of Christ taught so thoroughly and truthfully in the Book of Mormon? You contradict yourself and make straw man arguments.

[@ChristOverAllJeremy]

Thoroughly? Did you even listen to the video? What did Joseph teach about the Godhead?

[@IliterateAshole]

I dare you to say that to Sam Shamoun. His Skype is basically always open.

[@chrisbrening6499]

Take the blinders off brother. Genuinely, your entire life is wrapped into this false religion. I know it's scary to think about it being wrong, because that means everything you have been raised in is false. But is it not more important to know the truth? I pray Jesus of the Bible opens your eyes to the many historical abuses and theological falacies of the Mormon church.

[@tezzerii]

​@@ChristOverAllJeremy Just to pick on the one point here, you stated that the lds church says JS did more for us than Jesus, which is a flat-out lie. Hang on, I'll address another one - Jesus is the father and the son like this - He is the son of God. He is also the creator of the heavens and the earth - the father of them. Are you a father ? Do you also HAVE a father? That's how Jesus is both a father and a son. And as for God being eternal, well, he is, but yes he does change - didn't Jesus get born and become mortal ? And then die and get resurrected ? Seems like a change to me. And yet he has always existed, the same person. But not in the same form. You're misrepresenting doctrine, and worse, preying on latter-day saints who aren't scholars. Not everyone is able to delve into all the deepness of doctrine, and I'm sure that's true of many of your people too.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@ChristOverAllJeremy He taught what the Bible teaches, that there are three distinct beings united as the One God.

[@jaredhuff7486]

The Bible frequently contradicts itself. Stop acting like Christian doctrine is perfect. Genesis 32:30 "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face..." John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time..." Not all scripture has to agree with each other.

[@ChristOverAllJeremy]

Like Satan, you only quote half a verse. Read John 1:18 in full.

[@jaredhuff7486]

"... the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." The rest of the verse doesn't change the fact that it still conflicts with multiple passages from the Hebrew Bible. I don't see what point you're trying to make.

[@AshrafIssaTravels]

@@jaredhuff7486 I think you cant physically see God as he doesnt have body or flesh like the Mormons say. But he can appear in Spirit and order whoever to do things. I just googled your concern

[@Cowboy_from_west]

Well to be fair they claim they're a restoration so it wouldn't make sense if they have their own contradictions.

[@sirria100]

In Matthew 7, Jesus said "only those who do the will of my father will be saved.", which means we have to do works to be saved. So Christianity is a works-based religion. Romans 8: 29 says Jesus is the first-born of creation among brothers. Satan was created by God too, making him Jesus' brother as well, just like Satan is Sam's brother. Revelation 3: 14 also mentions Jesus' creation, suggesting he is a created being. See! the Bible proves Christians are wrong about Jesus being eternal. The Old Testament says numerous times that there is only 1 God, but in the polytheist New Testament, there are 3 people who are God. This is an utter, blatant contradiction, which makes Christianity and the Trinity invalid. I can take scripture out of context on and on and on until I am blue in the face, like Sam. It doesn't make me right. He is such a hard-hearted fool.

[@ishtank87]

You should debate him then. He accepts any challenger.

[@davehooper885]

Not at all effective, except in starting arguments about opinions. I believe that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are separate beings. One in purpose and glory, with the Son also being called the Father for His role in creating this planet. Acts 7:55-56 is clear in confirming this separateness.

[@ChristOverAllJeremy]

Doesn’t matter what you believe. Why did Jo smith contradict himself over and over again? Address your prophet pls.

[@davehooper885]

@@ChristOverAllJeremy I am saying that it is not a contradiction. It is you refusing to listen to the argument. You have just said that it doesn't matter what you believe. The same contradictions exist in the Bible, but we both believe the Bible to be the word of God. I worship Jesus Christ.