The BEST Bolt Gun Build! ONE SHOT MONSTROSITIES!!! | Warhammer 40k: Darktide

[@repentence]

I honestly don't get how people are skeptical about the Bolter being a high-burst-damage weapon. I mean, its a Bolter.

[@TheWileSpice]

A lot of people probably just haven't used it at its full power yet, so haven't seen the light.

[@jamessmith-db2is]

I tried using it with veteran but didn't like it, but I'm using it with zealot and I'm having so much fun

[@Crazy___Ginger]

​@@jamessmith-db2isit really is better as a secondary weapon for zealots. It's the perfect tool for dealing with monstrosities and armored enemies

[@jamessmith-db2is]

@Crazy___Ginger yeah definitely zealots even get damaged bonuses to melee if your gun is empty so empty the mag and start macing heretics like it's a Tuesday evening

[@Laughhubcentralstation]

Bruv, you need to an update video on the Bultgun build with the new updates.@@TheWileSpice

[@Reginald-sc9tk]

Two wounds. Thus you know its damnation level.

[@jt10x77]

I have 3 in case some idiot picks up a grim

[@Reginald-sc9tk]

@@jt10x77 I have 2, so that way I can feel the challenge of a constant near death experience when two idiots pick up grims.

[@PapaFunDip]

Or heresy

[@Reginald-sc9tk]

Heresy is -1 damnation is -2@@PapaFunDip

[@milesjkillsrocks3452]

​​@@Reginald-sc9tkno its not they are both -1

[@Newominus]

To land all your shots on a chaos spawn, simply volunteer your teammate for a quick snack!

[@TheWileSpice]

Hahahaha, that would work!

[@Bannedinlyfe]

Boltgun is for sure a monstrosity killer

[@TheWileSpice]

The Emperor willed it so. Feels appropriately powerful for them, I just wish it had more ammo.

[@ambassadorofreee3859]

What can I say? It is the God Emperor's chosen caliber afterall.

[@williejackson6905]

Man I love using the boltgun, flamethrower as well for the zealot though. I remember trying to find a build for the boltgun on KZbin until I forgotten about this one when I first started playing this game on Xbox game pass app

[@bigsadge747]

I just love the boltgun for how nutty it feels to fire it

[@TheWileSpice]

Same! The raw feel of the weapon & the way the characters handles is so good.

[@bigsadge747]

also the ability to mow down specialists wo a worry is amazing@@TheWileSpice

[@TheWileSpice]

Agreed!

[@JP-jq7ob]

Great video! I grabbed my bolter just the other day and swapped it into my plasma build as it had been awhile since I had used it, it performed fantastic! I like the build!!!

[@TheWileSpice]

Thank ya! Yeah the Bolter & Plasma seem to be happy with the same/similar builds!

[@joemamma953]

Crazy good build. Also I think this is technically a Bolt Pistol for Space marines which is crazy, maybe Ogryns can get a heavy bolt rifle or something in the future

[@TheWileSpice]

Aye its a good'n! Size wise its definitely more comparable to a pistol for the ol' Marines. The one in Darktide is a human sized variant that was commonly used by the Adeptus Arbites! I would love to see full sized bolters though. Even if they were just a usable element on a map like a turret or something

[@quack9355]

Ogryns will never have Bolter as their weapon unless they have B.O.N.E. which is EXTREMELY rare. Mechanicus won't allow it due to it being a risk of being broken because... you know... Ogryn big dumb but lovable that always use things they hold as a club. And in lore, Ogryns always keep holding the trigger even if they are inaccurate and gets angry if they keep on reloading. You might say "Then they should have the Heavy bolter instead". But like I said, The mechanicus won't allow it since they will keep wasting precious Bolt rounds. That's why they have their own Bolter. The ripper gun which is 3 times sturdy than a bolter, that when they ran out of ammo and their instincts got the better of them, can be used as a melee weapon. I wish Darktide could show how rowdy these abhumans are when they see the enemy. Their love for the Emprah makes them go berserk when they see large amount of enemy. But, you get that when using their skills. Just know that in lore, think of Ogryns have unlimited skill cheat.

[@ieatmentoss1714]

The Ogryns in Darktide do have bone’ead implants, they’re mentioned in some of the voice lines, but I agree on it not being suitable for them.

[@Vulcanerd]

This is pretty much the build I use on my veteran, but I picked up a couple of additional ideas, too, thank you.

[@TheWileSpice]

Glad ya found it useful!!

[@slingingdave]

No matter what my mates say, I'm never putting the Boltor down. Yes the Plasma gun is great and does a lot of damage but it isn't 'my cup of tea'.

[@TheWileSpice]

Yeah, the Bolt Gun just feels like special to use. The feedback you get from the recoil & sound design is exquisite. I do think they need to give it a little bit of a buff to bring ut up to scratch again. But it's a beast.

[@jacobvriesema6633]

This is excellent - thank you! I also appreciated it to the point and well-explained!

[@TheWileSpice]

Glad you found it useful!

[@requiemagent3014]

The Bolter is the most iconic weapon in the 40k universe. Together with the Chainsword. But people get the lore wrong about those all the time. Which is understandable because the lore contratics itself a lot. Luetin is always the best source for accurate lore dumps. The bolter we use in the game is the smaller version that the Sororitas (Sister of battle) are using. The regular Bolter wielded by an Astartes (Space Marine) is way to heavy to be ever used by an normal human. Especially it is not allowed to fire a bolter with shoulder support. That is forbidden by the codex Astartes. That's why they are designed this way without a stock. Also Bolter are incredible rare. Period. The Adeptus Mechanicus on Mars is handcrafting every single Bolter and they only issue a certain amount that is actually needed. Not saying that the Inquisition forces do not have acces to them. But very limited. The Lasguns are mass produced but also very reliable and more importantly easy to maintain. Basically infinite ammo and a monkey can operate them in a field. Also Bolter are seen as the direct fury of the emperor. They are treated as such. It is Heresy to ever alter the design of a bolter. Which one Adeptus Mechanicus actually did, which is usually a death sentence but that's another story. Yes there is basically a Bolter Mark 2 version out there. Just sayin. Maybe we get to use it in Space Marine 2. That would be awesome.

[@johnson7156]

Hmm early model of Bolter do have stock. They don’t have stock anymore due to the difficulty of making plastic models of them. Do you have any source saying in cordex Astarte Bolter can’t have stock and the reasoning behind it? (Yeah a lot of 40k stuff don’t make sense, but they all have some roots in military superstition). And Bolter ain’t that rare. Heavy Bolter are often used by the normal human heavy fire squad too. Not to mention many tanks they use also have bolters on them In terms of rule about modification, it’s more of just don’t fuck around with the things you don’t fully understand especially for such valuable piece of weapon. Imagine if you are a amateur weapon officer in any military organization and decide to fuck around with a javalin missile launcher just so you “think” you can improve on it. What would u think would happen to that weapon officer?

[@TheWileSpice]

There are so many variants its unsurprising people get confused! Locke Pattern Bolters (Like the one in Darktide, Locke Mk IIb Spearhead Bolt Gun) are old Adeptus Arbites Bolt Guns if memory serves correct.

[@requiemagent3014]

@@johnson7156 Yes easy. The Tau tried to make their own Astartes. They made those abominations with stolen armor from the Ultramarines. They also had stolen bolter. The real Ultramarines encountered those affront to the emporer and they identified them by the way how they were holding the bolter. The Tau actually use shoulder support and they tried using the Bolter this way. The Ultramarines of course easily slayed those imposter creatures. It is against the codex Astartes to use a bolter like this. There is a reason for it. The Astartes hold their Bolter this way to strike fear into the hearts of their enemies. It also has something to do with combat readiness. There is no logistical reason why a Bolter doesn't have a stock. It is simply against the codex. Also sidenote heavy bolter and bolter pistol are something completely different. They are not seen as made by the emperor and are allowed to be mass produced and altered. Those are completely different things. Also altering a bolter is seen as heresy. No if's of but's. Under normal circumstances this would have resulted in an execution but the Adeptus Mechanicus have gotten away with some pretty questionable things in the past. Just look at what Guilliman is doing right now. He is making Primaris Astartes. That is heresy on the highest degree. But the overall situation and the bad state the imperium is in right now demands such drastic actions. If this wouldn't be Guilliman everyone else would have been executed on the spot just for suggestion this.

[@mr6291]

It's weird to me that we need to use random ammo pick-ups to reload our lasgun supplies. I might be wrong (if you know otherwise, please correct me), but it's my understanding that lasgun magazines can be charged by the sun, thrown in fire, etc. to recharge them. That's on top of a charged pack that should be able to carry us through a whole mission considering 20 min of gameplay. Game balance, yeah, but that and everyone running plasma guns, power swords and thunder hammers does have me scratching my head LOL. Still fun to be able to pick and use the stuff you always see in stories.

[@requiemagent3014]

@@mr6291 That is actually correct. Lasguns are designed in a way to not need regular ammo pick ups. Guardsman actually throw the energy packs into a campfire to charge them. Which is so funny to me. You can even use the energy pack as a makeshift Krak grenade if you want to. The Lasguns are probably the most nerfed weapon type in Darktide. But I understand why. Game balance and such. It would be so cool to throw energy packs as grenades in game

[@Reginald-sc9tk]

THE Wile spice bringing the hottest tips

[@TheWileSpice]

Could say... the 'Spice' iest tips? Yeah, that was a bad pun.

[@Reginald-sc9tk]

The spiceiest dad puns for sure.@@TheWileSpice

[@SaiMyoK]

I actually didn't know that you could get the stacks with grenade, now I'm wondering what other tips i've missed

[@TheWileSpice]

To be fair, a lot of things that used to get stacks from other sources, like Decimator & Headtaker were removed in patches.

[@Holdelta]

i've personally been running cavalcade on my bolter, since the buffs to the weakpoint/crit bonuses the bolter got, and pinning fire bonuses is too much for me to keep track in the heat of things, even though if there's a horde, i probably have max stacks from just playing its less consistent, but if a boss comes in from the cold, its good to have one thing off the mental stack and just unload the bolter and hope for the bonus damage

[@TheWileSpice]

That's fair! The only time I'm consciously tracking it is for pre-loading it with a grenade, otherwise yeah I agree, its too taxing on the brain to always track when you can utilise it the most haha. Would be intriguing to see if a +5% Crit perk would help as well. With Unyielding as the other.

[@dionysusdelight1440]

pinning fire procs from hitting anything even consecutive hits on bosses

[@Gw2Zoke]

Veteran Ult just need to reload their gun as it swaps

[@TheWileSpice]

Would be nice!

[@EcchiRevenge]

That would make vet extremely broken again due to boltgun alone.

[@Kazaadoom86]

Nicely done and I will try this ❤

[@TheWileSpice]

Hope you enjoy!

[@chickendada8652]

I wish there was more in the vets skill tree

[@TheWileSpice]

Fear not, they confirmed they are adding Keystones in a future patch.

[@chickendada8652]

@@TheWileSpice yeah and I hope they are cool but I still feel like some of the base perks are real stinky I don't like that one that gives you toughness when no one's near you that sucks but I'll try to be optimistic

[@TheWileSpice]

@@chickendada8652 Yeah you don't get it very often because of how many enemies it throws at you. There are some super toughness perks further down though. I have faith it should be good!

[@EcchiRevenge]

vet is op enough with the best melee weapon in game and two of the best ranged weapons in game The middle/lowerright tree does everything.

[@annunaki8717]

I'm still not happy with 80-100 max bullets :/ , i hope devs make it 200! xD

[@TheWileSpice]

I agree! Feels waaay to little in a match. Always Ammo watching from the start which isn't fun.

[@BoxedHavoc]

Well produced!

[@TheWileSpice]

Why thank you! Thanks for watching!

[@YoKrms]

me and some friends ran this build just 4 of us with the monstrosity modifier on auric probably the funniest run ive ever done on this game

[@TheWileSpice]

Hahaha, that sounds like an amazing time. 4x Bolt Gun Madness!

[@amtrent123]

This gun works especially well on Zealot if you choose stealth, as it allows you to set up a stance to really unload directly into a bosses weakpoint. Trying to build weapons for all around circumstances pays off greater dividends then 'perfect scenario' weaponry, as it's hard to you know, get those perfect scenarios unless you can consistently set them up. I recommend adding carapace damage over flak if you can to help with Crushers, as most flak targets will die in one shot anyways, save for Maulers (who also happen to have a carapace covered head, with the rest of the body being flak).

[@thiefwitch]

Best darktide channel! 🙌

[@TheWileSpice]

I thank you for the kind words Varlet!

[@eldermaxon9299]

Thanks for the tips

[@TheWileSpice]

You're welcome! Now get out there and purge the Heretics!

[@wilsonv7117]

You’re the goat thanks

[@TheWileSpice]

My pleasure!

[@CrakusMaximus]

It's outdated

[@masterpotato9889]

wow even if you dont kill it with grrenade and pinning fire, that is an amazing amount of damage!

[@TheWileSpice]

Exactly yeah! The team should be enough to pick up the leftovers after you've unloaded!

[@Tjmomma2]

Hell, even half a bar is enough for me 😂 can’t wait to try this

[@TheWileSpice]

Hahaha, it's important to note the skill trees have changed quite a bit since this video, so you'll need marksmans focus or focus target at high stacks to come close. Makes it much harder to achieve.

[@montecarlowithdawningornam1817]

Only reason i dont like the bolter is because it takes an entire mission to pull out

[@TheWileSpice]

Hahahah, that is very true. Executioners Stance does it instantly if that helps.

[@montecarlowithdawningornam1817]

@@TheWileSpice actually it does, I'll give it a try

[@CarvingMonkeysReus]

and they buffed the time it takes to take it out @@montecarlowithdawningornam1817

[@wraith1771]

do you have to play offline or at least off offical servers to run mods? Because i've been eying a scoreboard mod but i'd rather not get banned just because a mod is running.

[@TheWileSpice]

Nope, the Devs welcome mods with open arms. As long as they don't hurt their financial interests. So mods that alter cosmetics, in turn stopping people from buying them from the shop for example, aren't in the 'good books' with Fat Shark.

[@Dzugoslav]

I know it is not considered as optimal choice for Zealot, but I keep returning to it. Good ammo capacity/efficiency & dmg per round, staggers enemies and on headshot kills most elites. Of course it is much better in Veteran's hands, but that is true for any ranged weapon.

[@TheWileSpice]

I love it on Zealot as well. The weapon just feels great & is good for burst damage on Crusher or Mauler squads giving you trouble.

[@soulsilencer]

here comes the 5 sec kill :)

[@TheWileSpice]

Blink & its gone!

[@Man-rg8tb]

How do you rapidfiore with the boltgun?

[@gigachimp3608]

I just rolled a bolter thats now 530 with surgical 4, this gonna be interesting

[@TheWileSpice]

Very interesting! Surgical could actually be good if you use ADS a lot throughout the match. Not the biggest fan though personally.

[@timz4781]

I play vet and use the bolter and powersword

[@TheWileSpice]

A true Astartes loadout.

[@timz4781]

@@TheWileSpice close to their greatness as I can get

[@OliviaMoses-i2u]

As much reload and collateral. Reload fast and group damage. It's in your guns stats. Get reload and dmg with ur class. Get reload and group dmg with the gun itself. My bolt gun slaps. It's 90%+ reload with alot of collateral. I reload quick and have the group damage. It's a slap gun. I can put 300+ rounds of bolt with this reload. Most people are generous wirh ammo. So you have a rifle that can focus heavies and groups. Bolt gun is great with reload andl collateral. It is viable but needs those things

[@Vision1100]

I like this and will test the crab out of it till Grendel punishs me for lazyness cause im idle around in the psykanium all day. but i also want to test out if this is maybe also a good base for my favorit plasma gun. if you could maybe a maxed out video about the plasma gun it would be amazing to show such a "heart melting concept" to atomas heretics. thx for the video and keep going o7 for the Inquisition and the Emperor

[@TheWileSpice]

I can confirm it is a great tree for a Plasma Gun! Very gun focused & will have you melting all the heretics with the power of the sun. I might do a Plasma Gun vid in the future, I've done a few so its a little down on the priority list.

[@Explosiivo]

Any chance you have updated the build since patch 16?

[@TheWileSpice]

Not quite yet, I've been updating my Lasgun builds at the moment, but I shall be refreshing my Bolter build soon!

[@DeadGothicRed]

I have been using the Bolter and Shotguns. While i enjoy this build i really need a build that i can use the "Voice of Command" ability with the revive perk and also the grenade regen and field improvision. Can i get any tips for that?

[@TheWileSpice]

Funny you mention, I'm working on one that covers all of those bases.

[@DeadGothicRed]

@TheWileSpice sweet thank you, I've been dying to play Darktide on console since I don't have a PC and I've been enjoying the hell out of it while also being a Warhammer 40k fan. I've been maining the veteran and I use the Bolter and Lawgiver shotgun with the Bolter being my main squeeze. Is there a way I can save a certain skill tree and just swap when I want? Like using the war gear feature? Or do I have to respec everytime? Also yeah I really enjoy being a Grenadier/Support class with the Grenade recharge and revive.

[@justanaverageferret]

​@DeadGothicRed I believe that when you set a war gear load out, it also saves the skill tree for it. Unless I missed something when I made mine for psyker.

[@DeadGothicRed]

@@justanaverageferret I'll try it

[@justanaverageferret]

@DeadGothicRed what I did is register the load out, (which is a duplicate of your other one at that point) THEN started changing things in that load out so that it didn't alter the previous one and I think I got it to work that way

[@TheCHEESEG]

Did they rework the skill tree for Veteran? It looks different now

[@TheWileSpice]

They have indeed! Going to have to work on an updated build for it soon. Possibly after Part 2 of the Anniversary update as they may changed Vet balancing more.

[@spechtmaxime4201]

Hello there ! Its me or the talent tree completly change `?

[@TheWileSpice]

Hi there, they have indeed changed the tree since this video! I'll probably do a refreshed one after Part 2 of the anniversary update drops, incase there's any Bolt Gun or tree changes in it.

[@ElectricTree]

Can we get a Patch 15 updated video please?

[@TheWileSpice]

It's on the list!

[@ElectricTree]

@@TheWileSpice I look forward to it :)

Imagine the game wouldn't crash at every minute and I'd be tempted to try this.

[@TheWileSpice]

That sucks. Not had any crashing issues for a little while personally. Hopefully doesn't persist for you!

[@EcchiRevenge]

It's doable but just like zealot one-shot attempts - it's a gimmick at best. (requires too much investment in stuff that's not very useful in normal gameplay for a very situational advantage that doesn't happen often) Beast of Nurgle and Plague Ogryn are not serious threats; one of them gets juggled like rat ogres(walk closer to it -> see overhead/underhand/stomp -> dodge back -> repeat) and the other doesn't really do hp damage(dodge to side once or twice when it spits). Beast of Nurgle also might not expose its rear weakspot often(if you're the target; or you take time going around it, time not spent on doing dps). You can invest in lower mid/rightside and use infernus lasgun to burn them down easily without taking damage, even if you don't throw 3 krak grenades to bring them down to half hp almost instantly.

[@TheWileSpice]

Its not investing into anything extra that a good Bolt Gun focused build wouldn't invest in, making it perfectly fine for general play. Getting behind a Beast of Nurgle is also very easy as your team will take agro naturally, time not spent doing DPS is recovered tenfold when you kill it in a few seconds. I'd love to see the statistics about monstrosities not being a threat specifically for the average player. Because its likely they ruin runs for the average player quite often due to not being able to take them down. Also you can use a lasgun, you can use any other gun. But this is talking about the Bolt Gun because there are a lot of Bolter enjoyers. It's not for people who want to use a lasgun with infernus.

[@EcchiRevenge]

@@TheWileSpice Boltgun focused build itself is investing too much for too little gain. (and that's good; vet has been able to do everything too well for too long) If your team took aggro then you were not doing enough damage in first place(you started shooting late...etc. - all wasted dps time). Monstrocities + specials/others can ruin runs but it's the other stuff (specials/others) that kills the players beside getting knocked off ledge. I would say shields(multiple) ruin more runs than monster(1) because the mouthbreathers can't figure out how to damage them from front. There are also flamer enjoyers but I don't consider them people.

[@TheWileSpice]

Aah I disagree. It's excellent at killing both elites and specialists throughout a mission. & I do think that's a silly statement, because all your teammate needs to do is tap it to get agro. Then as I said, the time to kill once you position beats any other weapon tenfold. So even if you don't fire for a few seconds, you will still kill it quadruple as fast than with a Lasgun shooting since it spawned for example. So it's factually not wasted time or DPS. Good thing the Bolt Gun is amazing against the 'Others' you mention. So I still can't see how it's investing to much. Your melee weapon doesn't need any investment to be a competent hoard killer, especially with the weakspot buffs in the tree picked up already. So it's perfectly well-rounded build. Also heresy to hate on the flamers!

[@EcchiRevenge]

@@TheWileSpice You can also say zealot one shot attempts are more efficient because once you stack all the buffs you only need to hit once and not use ammo. Still very much a gimmick. As for the Others...Boltgun sucks against dogs...etc. The rate of fire on singleshot is extremely poor alongside jerky "recoil" and fullauto is inaccurate. It also shoots fast on full auto so overshooting enemy is very possible. So shooting anything small (basically anything that isn't the ogryn sized targets) either severely limits your rate of fire or wastes ammo on missing/overshooting. And you only have 95 base ammo. Therefore it's not really amazing; unless you suck up every bit of ammo pickup. As I mentioned above: dogs...etc. That's why it got the recent buff; although it still isn't the end-all option it should have been(the only limiting factor should be the ammo cap, it shouldn't be doing so little damage against certain enemies). It's really hard to justify a boltgun build today when you can chunk down monster hard with krak nades(and safely, since they're stunlocked) + shout ult, while having a bunch of melee buffs so you never rely on ammo in first place while being the best melee class(and still one of best monster dps). Flamers are heresy because they not only suck at most if not all things(at least, things you would use a ranged weapon for - for players that don't suck at the most basic melee mechanics anyway), they also obstruct vision of teammates(not everyone has the mod that turns flamers into piss stream). Even if we pretend flamer got the most kills on elites/specials once in a blue moon...it's probably because flamer made it harder for teammates to see those targets in first place.

[@TheWileSpice]

You would just use your melee to handle Hounds. Usually the easier option anyway. In that case the Plasma Gun has abysmal rate of fire? The RpF for the Bolt Gun secondary is fast enough. The ads is a bit jank but it's still easy enough to pop heads of priority targets. I think finding issue with hitting targets smaller than Ogryn is (not saying this to be cheeky) a skill thing. With practice is very easy to do consistently, especially withnExecutioners Stance. And the full auto you have to use in the right moments without panicking, which is what inexperience bolt gun users do. (Or just people that love spraying the Emperors Judgement wildly lols). I'll give you the ammo issue. But it got buffed because the patch 13 changes gutted it because everything got more HP and they didn't change the bolter to reflect that. There's no need to justify any build, all about fun. People love the most iconic weapon in 40k and it can top the scoreboard of the team very easily. There isn't one best build for any class at the moment so. The Bolter will destroy elites and specialists throughout a match and will delete monstrosities from existence within seconds, which nothing except a thunder Hammer will do. Also flamers most definitely do not suck. They tear through anything that isnt carapace. Which makes them an absolutely amazing utility when being mad rushed by 70 melee elites. And will do it insanely faster than even the top 1% melee players, in the hands of the most noob players.

[@BeenuZz]

They need to give us auto reload back

[@TheWileSpice]

It would help, I imagine they would have to lock out other augmentations if they put it back.

[@steeds52]

We meed psyhkanium with these monstrosites for console

[@andrewwest78]

Do you think you could make a vid like this for the Zealot.

[@TheWileSpice]

Using the Bolt Gun or?

[@andrewwest78]

Yes

[@TheWileSpice]

When I do an updated vid on the Bolt Gun (probably after the part 2 patch) I'll add a section for Zealot!

[@notoriginalcontent]

Remake for update 15 when?

[@TheWileSpice]

Likely after Part 2 drops as the tree is changing again!

[@DarkerSavant]

That is a lot of commitment to a one trick poney at the expense of so much. Monstrosities just aren't that threatening on any difficulty. A team should be able to take one out together in 10 seconds easily. You don't need to juice for it.

[@TheWileSpice]

It was a perfectly good Bolt Gun build generally, wasn't at the expense of anything. & how many teams have you been on that have killed a Monstrosity in 10 seconds. I'm willing to bet, not many.

[@DarkerSavant]

@@TheWileSpice I am not saying the weapon is bad at what it does but I wouldn't have said that if it wasn't true. Boltgun just isn't in a great place for general use. I keep trying it and it is just way outperformed by plasma with shattering and blaze away in so many use cases.

[@boomzoom5515]

Is the one you use in Darktide a downgraded version? Because lore-wise it would be way too cumbersome for a single guardsman to practically use it, if I am not mistaken.

[@TheWileSpice]

Its just a different variant or 'Pattern'. The one in Darktide is a Locke Pattern Bolt Gun, which is human-sized and used commonly by the Adeptus Arbites. The Astartes/Space Marines commonly use the Godwyn Pattern, which actually has a human-sized counterpart called the Godwyn Da'ez Pattern.

[@boomzoom5515]

@@TheWileSpice Ah! Thanks for the info :)

[@quack3891]

@@TheWileSpice so close to Godwyn Da'ez Nuts

[@emanate0]

how does it do against daemonhosts?

[@TheWileSpice]

If you can catch it whilst its taking a teammates soul, you can kill it in 1 magazine if you're close enough. It moves to erratically otherwise.

[@dianapennepacker6854]

I am so mad. There was a great bolt gun for sale. Best perks. Around 75% across the board basicslly, and I did not get it like a reject. I am so stupid.

[@TheWileSpice]

Ah man. I pray the Emperor blesses you with another, even better one!!

[@skinwalk1647]

damn fatshark fucked this class up hard. boltgun is still fun to use but most of the nodes feel like wet noodles compared to other classes

[@TheWileSpice]

I do agree. They have confirmed they are reworking it slightly and adding Keystones in a future patch though. So hopefully good things to come.

[@EcchiRevenge]

It's very balanced now, vet can instantly pick up 3 downed allies(through wall/floor too) with one key and stack insane amount of toughness(other classes' biggest disadvantage is relative low amount of base toughness) when killing special spams(+100 per ult, and -6s cd per special kill; having the toughness buff also prevents you from taking corruption damage from bursters...etc.). It's not immediately obvious but vet gets exponentially stronger when playing auric maelstrom(which can also give great buffs like 20% cdr and +2 grenades, imagine 5 krak grenades on one monster). Vet also has the absolute best toughness recovery skill (+50% on elite/special kills; half of it over time - stacking infinitely) and no-bs 50% toughness DR above 75%, alongside best weapons(which kept getting buffed because mouthbreathers just can't do well with what is already good). Even if you don't use best weapons, the lower-right on-hit rending node lets you do carapace dps with a stick(infantry auto/las) if you have to. People are just mad because their crutches(lol 75% DR on near infinitely-chaining ult or invisibility for standing still like a tard) were taken away. People picking braindead shooting ult without the most basic skill to defend themselves in melee(instead relied on aforementioned crutches) are the ones crying loud about vet being meh when in fact vet actually plays even better for good players. Or they were comparing the ult in a vacuum to zealot middle ult which results in zealot doing far less damage(no armor pen on demand and can't be attacking when using ult; also can't stack with it self - two people spamming it only results in reaching +100 toughness earlier). The emperor gave you crutchsword mk6, use it.

[@skinwalk1647]

@@EcchiRevenge never was a fan of the stealth ult (which for some reason the zealot also has) im inclined to agree with you on most of your points, though in your last paragraph, when you say 'people' to try and overtly insinuate that i am a braindead crybaby retard makes you sound like a real demeaning & elitist cocksucker. i find that the vet toughness recovery on elite kills isnt as ubiquitous as the ogryn or zealots recovery skills - but regardless, my problems with the class arent necessarily with the fact that the class is 'hard to play.' when i played veteran i thoroughly enjoyed the dichotomy and timing required to take out distant-and-near specials while also effectively horde-clearing. i liked handpicking my gear and researching the right blessings+perk setups. instead, my problems with the class now stem from how deceptively restrictive the class is at the moment when compared to others. the only other two classes i play - ogryn and zealot - have a lot more flexibility in their playstyle and a lot more options in their spec whereas, like you said, veteran is really only useful & effective if you spec it into that toughness on elite kill and the pick up downed allies button. sure, the veteran has access to like a bajillion fuckin guns, but you are really relegated to that talent tree that you detailed, because most of the other talent nodes pale in comparison to the ones enjoyed by other classes. on ogryn i can spec it into being a shitkicking melee tank or a ranged elite destroyer or a hordeclearing monster or a mixture of several of those. the zealot also enjoys a similar level of flexibility due to their two really solid abilities.

[@skinwalk1647]

@@TheWileSpice well, its still fun to play, just... restrictive. im hoping for good things to come, it definitely needs some work and im glad they acknowledged it, though we both know fatshark doesnt have the greatest history of delivering promises 🤣

[@dodgedog8183]

what about demon?

[@TheWileSpice]

Demon has a lot of damage resistance, so I'm not sure. You would need very specific un-wanted circumstances to be able to do anywhere near this much damage as it moves around to much. Need some enemies to pre-load Pinning Fire & the Host needs to have killed one of your teammates so it stays stationary for you while it takes their soul.

[@steeds52]

Btw is this still usable now

[@Distandar]

Bolter nerfed unlucky R.I.P

[@TheWileSpice]

Was buffed in patch 14. I expect there to be more, specifically with its ammo.

[@deadmandave2914]

this might need an update

[@TheWileSpice]

I could draft one up if I get back into the flow of the game.

[@MrEkor69]

Xenos It's pronounced 'Zeenose' in the warhammer 40k universe not, 'Zenos'.

[@TheWileSpice]

You're not wrong, rip my blasphemous tongue away.

[@-Pawuloniasty-]

Update pls :)

[@capitanpatas4166]

Not really fair unloading 15 bullets into a monster weakspot, not sometime you can do all the time, good build tho.

[@TheWileSpice]

Of course sometimes you can't do it, but the Beast of Nurgle & Plague Ogryn have extremely easy to hit weakspots. The beast especially, since you don't need a grenade for the Beast. Both of them also have movesets that make them stand still in place so you just need to learn the timing.

[@Xelnarash]

maan ... i dont wanne be "that guy" everytime ... but we have in darktide NOT a Bolter (and therefore NOT the spacemarine primary weapon). i hate to tell you guys that , for a mere human , lifting a Bolter is so heavy ... and to fire that thing it would crush your bones ... the shockwave of the shot woud raptur your eardrums .... so what we have here then you might ask ... well its a boltgun ... a smaler waker version for humans to carry. What? you dont belive me? ... ok lets put it to numbers then ... a "normal" space marine is about 7 feet (thats about 2 meters) ... they hold their bolter in 2 hands (what SM are made of i hopefully dont have to tell you... and if ... please ask under this commend) BUT its a good and intressting buld nonetheless

[@TheWileSpice]

We actually do, the Locke Pattern Bolters (As seen in Darktide) were used by the Adeptus Arbites and were human sized. There is a large plethora of Bolt Gun variants. Astartes commonly use the "Godwyn" Pattern which are large, illegal for a normal person to handle and would destroy a humans body any like you say. This actually even has a smaller, human sized counterpart, the "Godwyn De'az" pattern. Like I mentioned, its not the same as an Astartes Bolter, but it is still a Bolter.

[@Xelnarash]

@@TheWileSpice well you got me there

[@TheWileSpice]

Only recently learnt all of this myself haha. There's quite a lot of different types!

[@Xelnarash]

@@TheWileSpice so it would seem

[@raab8647]

I’ve been running Bolter for a long time and haven’t seen a monstrosity die with one clip. Can anyone else confirm this on tier 5 difficulty?

[@AMnotQ]

Your stats/refinements/blessings are probably wrong or bad. Check those first.

[@nemesisVtuber]

it is, i tested in psykarium with exact same build. And if you land grenade and pop ult and shoot entire magazine in head of plague ogryn - it does die in one magazine. But the moment i turned off invisibility and had to actually fight boss + 5 pox walkers (not all of them died from grenade). All of the sudden you cant kill him with one magazine. Who would've thought.

[@TheWileSpice]

You have another 3 team mates in Darktide to take agro to let you pull it off. Who would've thought.

[@raab8647]

@@TheWileSpice That has nothing to do with my question , but thanks for your input.

[@TheWileSpice]

I was responding to @nemesisnidhoggr1468 I can't answer your question specifically because you're asking for other people's input.

[@Pall_Bearmasher]

Now use it on a monstrosity that is going everywhere, or simply use a chaos spawn because they move like crazy. Not so easy on a moving target

[@TheWileSpice]

The Beast of Nurgle is slow and easy to target if another teammate has its agro and the Plague Ogryn has multiple move sets that make it stand in-place. I addressed the Chaos Spawn in the video.

[@nemesisVtuber]

very-very... doubtful build. - You have to be far away for Longshot to be useful. Which you not if you blasting whole magazine with bolter. - You have to 8m away from any enemies. I doubt you can land full magazine worth of bolter shots being far away from the boss. As well as i doubt boss will sit there and wait patiently for you to kill him. - You have to land a grenade (and have one available) at 5 enemies. - You have to land all (or majority) shots in head of monstrosity. Which is not easy considering they not standing still. But moving, attacking and pushing you back. How about you spawn 5 horde enemies and 1 monstro in empty psykarium room and turn off invisibility. Lets see if you will be able to repeat same thing, but in more of a combat scenario. I highly doubt so. Change up your talents. Ditch left tree, as you wont be hitting the weakspot. Especially of chaos spawn. Go into middle tree completely. Base dmg is better than weakspot dmg on a gun that needs a compass instead of sight. Get +20% dmg as you using your combat ability. Brittleness doesnt work on monstrosities, but it is helpfull against crushers, so you can dive into right tree in the end and take rending as well. Monstrosity spawns - throw krak grenade, it stuns monstro, shoot first magazine, reload, take hit or two, throw second grenade, use ability and shoot the second magazine. It must be enough to take down even nurgle's blessed monstro.

[@TheWileSpice]

-As you can see, I was close to the Demo units so the ranged based talents were not very useful here. -You don't need a grenade for the Beast of Nurgle. Landing a grenade in Damnation on 5 units isn't hard if you save them. -The Beast of Nurgle and Plague Ogryn BOTH have move sets that make them stand in place You forget the KEY thing to Darktide, its a co-op game. There are another 3 players on your team who can take agro from the monstrosity so you are able to do this. I never suggested it would be easy to do it without a team, just that you can kill them in 1 magazine. Going down the middle will NOT give anywhere near the same results. Also this is ONE build, of-course things like Krak grenades are good, of course other builds can do good against Monstrosities as well. Never said this is the only way you can kill a monstrosity, But this is the fastest way a Veteran will do it. Attacking a Beast of Nurgle and Plague Ogryn's weakspot when your team is agro'ing it is extremely easy, especially if you're close.

[@nemesisVtuber]

@@TheWileSpice exactly. So you agree, that you need to meet far too much conditions, for this build to kill monstro. Theoretically it is possible, yes, not arguing. I tried this build in psykarium and it killed ogryn in 1 magazine. The stationary, motionless, enemiesless scenario. Which is impossible in actual game. The problem i have with this video - is that build is utterly USELESS outside mentioned scenario. And even within it it's far too complicated to pull off. And you can do it better with a different build involving bolter (altho using krak grenades and with 2 magazines). You need to predict the move of monstro where he is standing still or when your teammates are staggering him. And at exact same time manage to chuck a grenade into 5 enemies and kill monstro with 1 magazine. All of that in 5s window. I dont believe it is possible to pull off in an actual game with random team. Because yes, other players do pull aggro and monstro turns around to chase them. And you dont have much time on your ability. So you have this entire build to do 1 thing and be useless outside of it, where half of those talents wont benefit you in any way. And if people will pick up this build. And they will be trying to kill monstro in 1-2 magazines. They will be somewhat usefull in 5% of the game and a deadweight the rest 95% of the time. Ruining the game for other 3 players. Feel free to prove me wrong and show me video compilation of you killing monstro in 1 magazine with random players on damnation. And then showcasing scoreboard at the end of each match, where you not a worst on attack score in your team. But you are promoting an objectively bad build for players to use in damnation. Which will ruin their experience and experience of their unlucky teammates.

[@TheWileSpice]

No, I don't agree. Where in what I said was any agreement. The conditions aren't demanding because your team will 9 times out of 10 take agro of the Monstrosity because well, they want to kill it as well? For example, if a Beast of Nurgle is attacking a teammate and uses its vomiting attack it literally sits still and as I keep saying and literally shown in the video, you do not need a grenade to kill it in 1 magazine. The Plague Ogryn stands still for the majority of its attacks and its easy wait for a good moment to blast it whilst its attacking a teammate. I mention in the video that you won't always be able to get the grenade tech off and even if you don't you will still do over 2 3rds of its HP. Predicting the attacks of Monstrosities is not hard once you are used to fighting them. This build is generally great for casual Bolt Gun & Plasma Gun gameplay as it leans into the benefits of Executioners Stance. Since Executioners Stance lets you kill most specialists and elites in one shot throughout the mission run you're not going to have low damage. The 'no enemies near' talents help boost your damage for general play, making them not useless and to call any of the other talent choices useless is to simple not understand what makes a good build. You can't call it objectively bad when you haven't even tried, used or seen someone use it in a match. You're also just simply wrong about it being objectively bad just because you prefer the grenade regen and rending perks.

[@nemesisVtuber]

​@@TheWileSpice once again - prove me wrong with uploaded video or a shorts showcasing how good your build is and how you performed overall in those games. I played a LOT of builds. Both bad and good. I get the idea of weapons and their capabilities and their roles. The boltgun, unfortunately, is a back-up weapon. Not the main gun. It's strong on it's own without talents. The whole point of boltgun in Darktide to be the "oh shit" button. Where bunch of elites rock up and you delete them in a single volley. Or one-shot some ranged specials. That means outside those 2 scenarios boltgun is not used. You not using it to kill ranged shooters. You not using it to kill pox walkers. You use boltgun about 20-30% of the match. It's not a main weapon like a lasgun or autogun. So making a build that only empowers the back-up weapon leaves you without any benefits in those 70-80% of the match. What will you do with multiple hordes and specialists waves coming at you back-to-back? Empty your boltgun in them with your massive weakspot dmg? Tackle them with your melee weapon without any talents in survivability? Throw your grenades that you dont replenish and pray to the Emperor you'll find grenade pick up? Not only that, but good chunk of talents boost ONLY weakspot damage. Which you not getting a lot with a boltgun. It's inaccurate weapon. A shotgun would benefit more from weakspot dmg than a boltgun. So those talents are not giving you benefit majority of the game and you'd better to have something else. Be honest to yourself: how many weakspot hits you do with boltgun in your games? If you would said "it's just an experiment to see if it is possible to kill monstro with one magazine" - totally okay. But you actively suggesting that it is a viable build for damnation. Which requiers you to meet so many conditions with so little result. And you also not mentioning the chaos spawn, because you know how impossible it is to pull off your build on that monstro. So not only you not guaranteed to kill monstro with one magazine. But you also not guaranteed to even meet the monstro that you can kill. Making this build even more useless. Lastly lets get to your point about having teammates drawing aggro on the monstro. You say it's like a good thing. But it's not. Monstro constantly changes his targets. Runs from one player to another. Knocks people away and chases them. Players all other the place. So for you to be infront of the monstro and have all the setup and having him standing still - is just too unlikely. You will get a one time out of dozens where everything lines up. And most importantly: Players also deal dmg to the monstro. So by the time you get everything you need - monstro will be already missing good chunk of hp, so you dont need all your bonuses to kill him with one magazine.

[@TheWileSpice]

You're clearly not well versed with the bolt gun if all you think it can do is spray wildly into a crowd. Or monstrosity mechanics as they will always agro the people attacking them. You also clearly didn't even watch the video, as I addressed the Chaos Spawn. So due to that, I'm done talking to you.