The best budget headphone on the planet! HiFiMan HE400SE review

HiFiMan HE400SE including comparisons with HE400i 2020, Sundara and Beyerdynamic DT880 250 ohm. Buy the HE400SE here: 🇺🇸 amzn.to/3hlTJO9 🇨🇦 amzn.to/3jXHkBs 🇩🇪 amzn.to/3jRpe43 🇦🇺 amzn.to/3dPDOW9
Since publishing this review, HiFiMan have contacted me to inform me that the HE400SE is now shipping with the HE4XX cable so you can ignore my cable concerns in this review as the Sundara cable is much better!
00:00 Introduction
02:26 Giveaway details
04:12 Specifications and power
06:19 Design and features
10:48 Sound quality
15:13 HE400i 2020 vs HE400SE
17:39 Sundara vs HE400SE
18:37 DT880 250 SE vs HE400SE
21:39 Final conclusions
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[@PassionforSound]

I've just been informed by HiFiMan that the HE400SE is now shipping with the HE4XX cable (which is much better) so you can ignore my cable concerns in this review! 🙂

[@siderion67]

Is there any way to distinct package version with new cable without opening the box?

[@PassionforSound]

Not that I know of, but I've not seen both.

[@7sukuyomi]

Hey I have a question, what dac should I use with the he400se. I'm new to this stuff,

[@PassionforSound]

The HE400SE is relatively easy to drive and not overly picky with sources so anything from a well powered dongle DAC like the NextDrive Spectra X or EarMen Sparrow would be a start. Or you could look at a stack like a Schiit Magni / Modi or Topping E30 / L30

[@7sukuyomi]

@@PassionforSound Would something like the Sonata HD ii be enough to power it?

[@JagdeepSingh-sy2mh]

I followed your advice and bought the Copper cable with 2.5 balanced plug. Improved my SQ quite abit and to my liking. Thanks.

[@PassionforSound]

That's great news! Glad you're liking the sound better

[@ThePCForever]

Been waiting for this video for a long time. Thanks for another great review! :)

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks CS!

[@KeithCopeland778]

Excellent review!!! The more reviews of these headphones, the more I'm inclined to buy them!!!

[@PassionforSound]

They're amazing for the price and hard to go wrong with

[@RUMBLEGO1]

I really appreciate that you take the time to answer questions. Well done and I am enjoying your reviews very much. Thank you. Awaiting arrival on these. First foray into planar-magnetics. Sticking my big toe in the pool to see what these are all about.

[@PassionforSound]

All part of the service 🙂 Hope you love your first taste of planar goodness!

[@RUMBLEGO1]

​@@PassionforSound Well I am stunned at how good these sound. I am also relieved to find out i can drive them with my first version Ifi Zen Dac unbalanced. That is only 230mW. The furthest i need to have them is at 2 o'clock on the dial. Listening to various tracks that is plenty loud, clean and punchy sound for me. Pleasantly surprised. That being said i am awaiting arrival of my first balanced cable which will boost it to 330mW. After hearing how good these sound i am going to try the Sundara 2020. Going to take advantage of the 30 day return window policy to try some of these. Just wanted to report back on my findings. I think (know) i have just been bitten by the planar bug. Uh oh....hah.

[@RUMBLEGO1]

Also wanted to add that there was an added cable to my purchase. The horrendous silver cable everyone talks about is indeed that. There is a very noticeable treble difference using that cable. The other cable looks like it may be the one they ship with the Sundara. Will find out soon if that is the case. Regardless, i prefer the sound with that cable. Will swap back again to test but without question the silver cable brings out more highs. And the debate about cables not making a difference in sound continues? Really??

[@PassionforSound]

That's great news, Craig! So glad you're enjoying them. Hopefully the balanced connection helps improve the sound further, but just to prevent any confusion, they don't need anymore power and balanced isn't inherently better, but often, balanced amps have lower quality single-ended output and that's why the balanced will likely sound better. Hope you love the Sundaras too! (I think you will)

[@PassionforSound]

The cable debate is a bit funny, isn't it when it's so evident on cables like the HE400SE. I think the other cable you have is from the HE4XX and the Sundara might be different again.

[@guillermoleoni]

Nice review, love that you put the mW needed for handle the headphones! Bravo! Now rhe price in Amazon is $109 USD

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks GL. That's an amazing price!

[@koundamanee]

Lot of nice aspects explained. 👍 I've found very similar observations on the one I have.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for the confirmation! Always nice to hear other's views on the same products

[@anujdatar2010]

Hi mate. Love every single one of your reviews! Always like seeing an aussie in the scene too (I'm from brisi). My idea for a hoodie design would be showing a frequency measurement graph that looks like a heart beat graph. This would convey how our passion for music runs in our hearts. I'm a architecture and graphic design student right not so I would even love to work with you to design it if you wanted. Even if it's not my idea :)

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Anuj and thanks for the great idea! I actually just announced my main winner and I'm workshopping one other idea that might get an unexpected runner-up prize. Strangely enough, the winner actually had quite a similar idea to yours. In his case, it was the suggestion of using the waveform of the word "passion" so along similar lines. I loved the idea (and yours too) so that took the prize and is probably too close to yours for me to do both. I really appreciate the suggestion and the support from a fellow Aussie. Thanks so much for commenting!! 🙂

[@taipan75]

Late to the party. Howevwr... What a super review, comprehensive but yet to the point. Excellent, thank you!!!! Have the DT 990s but gonna invest in these Hifimans. 👍👍

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you liked the review. Hope you love the 400s!

[@gogoawy]

your voice only worth my sub. Keep making video with that great deep voice of yours :D

[@PassionforSound]

Haha. Thank you. It's my "there's a baby sleeping in the room next door" voice 🙂

[@roopbhadury]

Hey Lachlan, Great review as usual. Here's my design suggestion: (Frequency) Curves are forever ;-) AND a Frequency Graph with say, the Harman Target on the back. Just a touch naughty, but perhaps ok?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Roop. Glad you liked the review and thank you for the suggestion! I don't mind something with a little innuendo and that could appeal to both men and women I think.

[@carl_oak]

Brilliant critical review! I really enjoy your assessments and how soothing your voice is. I've been learning a lot and made me wonder if you teach music because everything is clearly explained. A sound tutorial series could be very interesting. Regarding the hoodie, "Fine tune your Passion for Music" could be nice reference to your channel XD Cheers

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Carlson, thanks for the suggestion and the feedback! I don't teach music, but my paid job is to design and deliver training for organisations. I'm also in the process of designing a course to help people with understanding and choosing the right audio gear for them so stay tuned... 🙂

[@carl_oak]

@@PassionforSound had a feeling you taught in some way. That is great! I am very interested in improving my understanding of music and sound so I can enjoy and dig deeper into what the artists intended to. Cheers

[@PassionforSound]

Awesome. I've planned out what I think will be some great content for people exactly like you (i.e. what you're saying you want to learn) but it's going to take a while to pull it all together and produce.

[@mayonotes9849]

I was able to find a 2nd hand one that's rarely used selling for around $76. Can't wait to experience my first open back headphone and first planar magnetic headphone. I do have the Topping NX3s AMP to power it.

[@PassionforSound]

Hope you love it!

[@mayonotes9849]

@@PassionforSound Thanks. It's interesting how the China version or V1 costs less than the Sennheiser HD 280 Pro here.

[@kojen1901]

@@mayonotes9849 How is it now?

[@mayonotes9849]

@@kojen1901 Pretty good for the price I'll say. The planar timbre is rather noticeable which makes some tracks sound off in certain parts, but they do make orchestras sound really nice.

[@kojen1901]

@@mayonotes9849 Thank fyi! I'm getting a 2nd hand one almost the same price as you, hope it goes well

[@aradhyamohapatra6292]

The hood should have a blue headphone like the one in the passion for sound logo so that everytime a person pulls it on it looks as if the person is wearing an headphone and the front of the hoodie should have "Always Neutral".

[@PassionforSound]

I like the idea. Unfortunately my printing options are limited to centre front, centre back and maybe sleeve at the shoulder. I tend to favour chest or back designs. I like the "Always neutral" idea though and I could do that. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@aradhyamohapatra6292]

@@PassionforSound You are welcome. A small suggestion putting a frequency response graph for a neutral sound in the background of "Always Neutral" might make it better.

[@PassionforSound]

Nice addition. Perhaps I could take it further again and have a range available: neutral, warm, v-shaped, etc. Or maybe "basshead" with a graph, always neutral with a graph and "treble head" with a graph. What do you think?

[@aradhyamohapatra6292]

@@PassionforSound Yeah, I think it is a great idea since it makes the merch more personalised for the buyer.

[@ndMaikel]

Sennheiser hd560s vs Hifiman He400se I am still comparing them for days side by side. I'm just a casual listener who appreciates the "great" sound. I'll try to explain the sound. I use the Soundblaster AE-5 btw. Hifiman HE400SE needs a great amp! I kinda love the treble/highs here... it's so smooth and also clear. Mids need EQ around 2 Khz (+2db to +4 db). Vocals are clear but a little bit laid back compared to HD560s, but still very present. Bass responses are crisps and tight similar to HD560s. To my ears, the HE400se has a very "creamy" sound after EQ and with an amp. You just enjoy the creamy dessert with its flavours. The sound is also more around your head and stays there "airy". It tries to hug you, but it depends on you if you allow it or not. Like: Treble/Highs smooth and overall easier to listen to Bass extension and the ?vibrations? It's not that tight like the HD560s Spacious sound, but sometimes voice etc. sound not that close Sennheiser HD560s do not necessarily need an amp. Treble here is a little bit too much and harsh sometimes around 4KHz. I personally dropped this area by about -2db. Mids are very crystal clear and I love voices here, for me the best part. Bass are kinda similar to HE400se but maybe a tiny bit tighter with a little bit more "spiky" punch, like how the highs are (bass sometimes a little bit too clean/clinical). Overall, they are more "spicy" and make you more aware and cautious of different sounds so it can get quite sweaty. The sound tries to get into your head with spikes and spices. Sometimes it forces you to listen (less chill than HE400se). Like: Mids with crystal clear voices Closer to the ears but still with soundstage (not too narrow) Tight sound (sometimes too clean like the bass -> makes harder to vibe) Light on the head

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for sharing such detailed impressions!

[@04yellowjacket]

Excellent review as usual. Thank you for mentioning headroom. This detail is not discussed enough. So many (most really) reviewers NEVER mention this very important detail. This is vital for the overall dynamics of the sound, particularly for quality and accurate bass reproduction. Also you are NOT exaggerating at all about the HiFiman cables. When I opened the box to my Ananda, I thought someone had stolen the real cables and replaced them with catheter parts from their medical supply cabinet. Dreadful indeed. I started ordering and using Hart Audio Cables recently and they are the best value in custom cables I have encountered. I now have them for several sets of headphones and share one 'Multi-kit 1' connector set for all. Using these cables makes you feel smart for not wasting money on other (objectively the same) vastly more expensive, yet less versatile options.

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you liked the review! The Hart cables are great for budget and mid-fi gear.

[@himanshutiwari90]

Love your comparisons with other headphones of same range, although I would really like to know the head to head winner between hd560s and he400se.

[@PassionforSound]

I don't think I can give you a head-to-head winner because they're very different headphones in terms of their intention. What I can say is that I'd reach for the HE400SE for musical enjoyment over the HD560S. For mixing my voice overs, I'd probably reach for the HD560S, but it's not as clear cut. Make of that what you will 😉

[@ehh1353]

Thanks so much man my 1watt amp is more than enough i really thought that i need 2-3 watt amp thanks so muchh

[@PassionforSound]

Glad I could help 🙂

[@jb678901]

For only $130 delivered on AliEx, I pulled the trigger on the HE400SE; without pause. Cannot wait for this headphone to arrive! Ordered a 1.4m OpenHeart cable ($13) just in case this unit comes with the cable shown in this video.

[@PassionforSound]

Hopefully you'll get the new cable, but glad you're covered either way. Hope you love the new cans (I think you will) 🙂

[@kyron42]

Hi Lachlan I'm glad to see that you are recognising the benefits of headphone EQ.

[@chefsteve8381]

I don't think you have converted him yet LOL .

[@PassionforSound]

I do appreciate EQ, but I also don't use EQ 🙂

[@kyron42]

@@chefsteve8381 LOL I obviously need to work on him a bit more.

[@kyron42]

@@PassionforSound one benefit of EQ is volume doesn't need to be as loud to enjoy the music therefore preserving your hearing? Have you ever tested your high frequency limit?

[@chefsteve8381]

@@kyron42 i think a review / debate of EQ would be great, maybe you could guest star for the for EQ and lachlan against .lol

[@ChanchalSaha36]

Hi I am using Hifiman sundara with fiio k5 pro but the problem is when I am using my phone to give input from 3.5mm jack using RC input . I have to put the gain settings to high gain and need to put volume to 1o'clock or for some tracks 2o'clock point to hear properly the music and instruments. Is it my fiio k5 pro faulty or am I doing anything wrong? But when I use from laptop through USB I need to put that in 12o'clock or 1o'clock in mid gain to get same output. What do you think? As far I know fiio k5 pro has pretty good power output then why that much power output I need to give to sundara? Sundara is not that much hard to drive gear.

[@PassionforSound]

Just answered on your other comment 🙂

[@eeshandev5081]

Your reviews are great! Your review for Shanling Q1 made me go for it last year and honestly, I simply love it. Such a great sounding device with awesome features. Only downside is the slightly laggy and buggy UI. Coming to HE-400SE, I was wondering, if the Q1 can drive these headphones to a comfortable listening level? I listen at normal volumes. I am eyeing these headphones because I want to try open back planars and these are the cheapest open back planars readily available in my country. So, is it worth buying if I don't have a dedicated DAC-AMP setup? Thanks in advance!

[@PassionforSound]

I can't remember the exact specs of the Q1, but I'm fairly certain it will be fine with the 400SE. You can always start with the 400SE and Q1 agree see if you feel the need to add an external device after that.

[@eeshandev5081]

@@PassionforSound Thanks for the reply! Q1's output is 80mW@32 Ohms! It also has a high gain option. I think I will get the 400SE and enjoy it with Q1 until I save enough to get a good DAC-AMP with it.

[@PassionforSound]

Sounds like a great plan! 80mW can get the HE400SE to 110dB which is a dangerous volume so you should be fine.

[@brothatwasepic]

Hi guys. I just got the HE400SE for 150CAD! and it sounds significantly more resolving with a fiio btr5 on Bluetooth compared to my $700 Airpods Max on Bluetooth! It's a huge difference in timbre tonality and resolution. Two completely different uses but just wanted to share for sound quality

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for sharing your experiences. A wired connection with a good headphone is still significantly better than Bluetooth. Glad you got to try that for yourself and enjoy the results 🙂

[@brothatwasepic]

@@PassionforSound thanks!

[@PassionforSound]

My pleasure

[@dtz1000]

People always say it sounds better with an amp and I've always been disappointed when I buy one and find out it sounds the same.

[@brothatwasepic]

@dtz1000 yes some headphones are definitely easier to drive so you don't hear as much of a difference on especially mainstream (whatever that means haha) solid state amps, etc. Thanks to Lachlan I now have a Susvara HE1000SE trade-up via Hifiman and Chord Dave and A90. You will notice quite big jumps in quality on certain headphones especially with a top tier DAC and Amp but the diminishing returns are of course exponential. Have a good one

[@paulo71783]

Is my lg g7 thinq can drive this? I have reecho and peacock summer a very hard to drive iem my vollume is 55-60 its loud the maximum vollume of my phone is 75 theres two toggles the dts-x and quad dac

[@PassionforSound]

If you use the Quad DAC setting, it should do fine with these, but the volume will be quite high.

[@thevindictive6145]

Was gonna get a dongle DAC for these headphones, now I am getting the Fiio k5 desktop DAC and amp combo, to drive the HE400se. Yes they come with decent cables now, black rubber ones. Not the sliver ones you just shown. I really hope I am investing in decent sound compared to my current soundcore q30. Paid US 45 for the headphones and US 80 for the Fiio K5. So its really affordable.

[@PassionforSound]

I think you'll be very happy with the results. Enjoy!

[@nebulotl]

Hoodie design idea: You could wear a hoodie of different bands but that might cause copyright problems(?) or you could wear different headphone style hoodies, like your profile picture/logo but on a hoodie!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks! I've got a logo hoodie already, but maybe different headphones on hoodies could be interesting.

[@fletchermunson6225]

While I do like my Audeze LDC2C, I feel I am lacking nothing when I switch to the Sundaras. Maybe I'm not discriminating enough but I find them both engaging and a treat. Kudos to Hifiman. As to a hoodie idea , when the hood is up, How about a pair of headphones printed on the hood?

[@fletchermunson6225]

I missed someone doing that suggestion. How about a pair of IEMS hanging down from the shoulders to the chest area.

[@siderion67]

Hi, I've got a question about ear comfort in these. I know they're open back, but is there an airflow to the ears from outside, or they're sealed by the diaphragm? (or maybe it's a dumb question and there shouldn't be an airflow ever) ;)

[@PassionforSound]

Not a dumb question, but there should never be any airflow to the ear though because there needs to be a seal between the front and back of the driver. If not, you'd lose the sense of bass. Having said that, most open backs will feel cooler and more "open" because there will be better dissipation of heat rather than it building up from your head into the cup.

[@johnlindley3622]

In reference to your competition I thick a teeshirt or hoody with one earcup of the front and the other earcup on the back and the headband over the shoulder would look great.

[@PassionforSound]

Cool idea, John. Sadly it's beyond the capabilities of my printing place.

[@crestofhonor2349]

So how would these sound coming out of a phone compared to the Sundara? Are they easier to drive and worth getting before getting a proper DAC/Amp

[@PassionforSound]

No, they're actually relatively difficult to drive still and even properly driven they don't match Sundara. I'd recommend spending money on an amp/DAC

[@thedude1249]

⭐Thank you, excellent video. 🤩👍

[@PassionforSound]

I'm glad you liked it! 🙂

[@MRFUTURETECHNOLOGYGAMING]

The 400SE is Re imagined an improved version of the 400 S which was a 22 ohm headphone I believe So the 25 ohms version helps improve the sound quality Along with the stealth magnets

[@PassionforSound]

That's correct about the evolution. The impedance doesn't really make any difference, but the I think it's a sign of a slightly different diaphragm design. The stealth magnets are a consistent advantage it seems across all models

[@dtz1000]

Except that the he400se is a downgrade from the he400s in three areas. I tried both headphones and they sound about the same but would take he400s every time because of the downgrades hifiman did to cut costs.

[@PassionforSound]

What are the downgrades you're hearing?

[@ArjitMehra]

Hey! I have had a pair of these for some time now. Overall, I'm quite satisfied with them but I am in a bit of a pickle. I have these running off of an AV receiver. While they run fine, albeit require more volume than my speakers (Spektor 1s) do. I want to know if getting a dedicated headphone amp(thinking of IFI Hip Dac) improve anything or would it be redundant? Thanks!

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Arjit, that's going to depend a lot on the receiver (and I'm not experienced with receivers so there's sadly no point telling me which one you have). Generally, a dedicated headphone amp will perform better, but there's no guarantee.

[@ArjitMehra]

@@PassionforSound Ah! Well, thanks anyway :)

[@manuchaves9511]

Hello excellent video I have a problem and I need help, I want to know which of these three audio interfaces can be used to give 100% volume to my hifiman he400se? the Audient iD4 mkII, the Audient EVO 4, the RODE AI-1? My budget is 200 dollars.

[@PassionforSound]

I don't know those interfaces - sorry. If you check the specifications of each device, it needs to produce at least 160mW into around 30 ohms.

[@Aniki91PL]

Hi! For the design : A headphone with a band with 'Passion for Sound' on a head without hair. Under this drawing is written 'That is the Way!'. Et voilà! :D

[@PassionforSound]

Lol (at the "et voila" not the suggestion) Is that a deliberate Mandalorian nod?

[@Aniki91PL]

@@PassionforSound Indeed

[@DarrellDucharme]

How do you like He400se compared to the 4xx? Does the 4xx have more soundstage?

[@PassionforSound]

I think I'd sold the HE4XX by the time I reviewed the 400SE, but I thought the 4XX and 400i 2020 were about the same level while the 400SE is better so I'd choose the 400SE out of all three options

[@DarrellDucharme]

@@PassionforSound Man, I have both right now and am trying to convince myself to keep the SE's but to me the 4XX has a better wider soundstage, are fuller and I can hear more background instruments with it. The SE's are more comfortable and sound good but don't sound, I guess I could say "different" Do I have faulty ears? Lol

[@pongybossman]

Hi there, would these be ok with a burson fun with sparkkos opamp upgrade, im thinking of buying these. Thanks

[@PassionforSound]

Absolutely. The Fun has plenty of power and nice quality too (I still own two of them)

[@stevenroutledge5584]

Hey Lachlan, would love to hear your thoughts on the Harmonicdyne Zeus. Any chance of a review anytime soon?

[@PassionforSound]

I was in the process of arranging it with Linsoul and then they went quiet and I can't get a peep out of them since. I have no idea why...

[@lrmcatspaw1]

I bought the 400SE and after a few weeks of testing I would say it is very similar to the original HE-400 in some aspects, while improving on others, and worse in a few. 1. The lower distortion makes the highs not so fatiguing. (but they STILL are eventually) 2. Significantly lighter. 3. Better detail. (probably due to highs being a bit too aggressive, and I do mean A BIT). 4. Bass slam/impact and presence is weaker than HE-400. 5. Requires A LOT of power, the LCD-2F are easier to drive than this. 6. Tonality is better than HE-400, but the HE-400 was more "fun" (until you had a headache from the high distortion in the highs). To me, this is "The perfect headphone" for traveling and similar stuff where you have a high chance of eventually damaging your headphone. Without a portable amp its not as good, but it is still better than most cheap headphones and even something like and SMSL Idea or a Cowon Plenue D sounds decent with these cans. Last thing is I hate the headband. I have a non regular head shape (like a small higher point at the center of my head) and that does not work well with this headband. Lucky the headphone is light enough that the head cups can keep it in place by the pressure on the face when I don't move.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for sharing your experiences in such detail!

[@MrB10N1CLE]

Hey, I'm wondering what compensation curve are you using for your measurements?

[@PassionforSound]

I'm using the HPN curve within Room EQ Wizard. It's essentially targetting a neutral response without any emphasis.

[@MrB10N1CLE]

@@PassionforSound ty

[@2134yanto]

Hi Lachlan. Great video yet again. I was wondering if you could tell me if the HE400SE would be good with classical music please? I’m looking for really good detail and instrument separation, wide soundstage and not a harshly bright treble. I can buy these now at £70GBP Thanks very much indeed

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Ian, for an affordable headphone the HE400SE will do well because it's tuning isn't too thick or too bright. It does lean slightly brighter, but isn't harsh at all IMO

[@afraza5946]

Great video! Just bought these last week. Can you recommend what can be a good budget dac amp for these? I dont want to regret a dac amp purchase and worry about needing headroom. Which dac amp can help me just reach that required headroom space. Something like E10k, iFi Uno, Topping DX1 will help me get the adequate headroom or do i need to shell out more and get something like FiiO K11. Thanks!

[@PassionforSound]

Any desktop device with its own power supply (i.e. not powered by a USB connection) will have sufficient power for these. I haven't tried the ones you mentioned, but there are lots of great options. I've got a whole list of recommended products here too: DACs: bit.ly/RecDACs Headphone amps: bit.ly/HPAmps DAC / HP Amp combos: bit.ly/DACAmp

[@nailahasanah6805]

does anybody have recommendations for amp/dac on this one? (it would be nice if its through USB-C and its not too high end or expensive for this particular headphone, just enough so it can push its capabilities) ^^?

[@PassionforSound]

Maybe check out my review of the EarMen TR-Amp. That fits the bill pretty well I think.

[@victormedrano2316]

Hoodie must have your channel's logo headphones that's for sure, it could be a big one in all the torso or a small one just in the middle or to a side of the chest

[@PassionforSound]

Got a design with the logo centre chest. Thank you for commenting with a suggestion though 🙂🙂

[@TheMaurob1979]

Hi Lachlan.. Just got again a pair of 400 se yesterday.. I m going to tell my experience. First time i purchase those cans i had a fiio k5 pro and the sound was piercing and harsh.. So i retourned it.. Now having a fiio k9 and a balanced cable.. Used for sundara(witch i sold becouse fatiguing) i gave the 400 se another try.. First of all are a bit harder to drive than sundara(high gain and at least 10 o clock on balanced output) and there no sss sound or harsh.. They sound great.. And veryyy enjoyable sound even with you tube tracks.. Bass mids and high are more or less well balanced. For summit this up.. For me are more fun to listen than sundara and i really prefer this over sundara.. But only if driven properly.. Are very amp picky

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you're enjoying them! It might be that the K5 was struggling for power. I can't remember the specs on it.

[@TheMaurob1979]

@@PassionforSound inthink so.. Its too cheap for drive planars i guess

[@sayancold]

Hi , I've bought this in the beginning of the month and I'm using Shanling up4 as amp/dac. I'm good with these pairs. But there is something that is itching me . If I use balanced cable , would I get better sound ? more louder ?

[@PassionforSound]

From memory, the UP4 does sound better balanced and definitely has more power available balanced so I'd recommend getting a balanced cable. 🙂

[@sayancold]

@@PassionforSound thank you very much

[@soundpitchblack]

I remember owning the original HE400SE they sounded clear, fast bass, mids a bit recessed but not much, highs clear but no extension and a little bit splashy !? Would love if a reviewer would compare these 2

[@PassionforSound]

Do you mean the original HE400? I don't know if I ever heard those, but I've tried the HE4XX, HE400i 2020 and now these SE versions and the SE are my favourite

[@soundpitchblack]

@@PassionforSound There was the original HE-400 but later on they added the HE-400S and HE-400i they had a similar headband like the HE-1000 and same silver cups.

[@PassionforSound]

Ah, gotcha. I wasn't aware of that one

[@LordRedDragon]

"Best SOUND is what u LOVE"

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for the idea!

[@georgeseremetis5576]

Love your channel. I just got into the hobby and I bought these from HiFiman B Stock for $79. I also bought the Schiit Magni+ and the Modi+ based on your review. I’m waiting for the items to arrive this week and look forward to listening to them. Should I consider the Sundaras as a step up?

[@PassionforSound]

So glad you're enjoying the channel!! I think the Sundaras are a worth upgrade because their tonality is a bit more natural (more balance between bass/mids/treble)

[@georgeseremetis5576]

Now that I opened Pandora’s box, I’m looking at the HIFIMAN Edition XS instead. I’m assuming you’ll agree.

[@PassionforSound]

Actually, no. The XS lacks depth of soundstage and I didn't enjoy it so much as a result. It's not at all bad, but I'd choose the Sundara still.

[@georgeseremetis5576]

Well, I got the the Schiit Modi +, the Loki+, Magni and the HiFiman SUNDARA and I am extremely happy in what I hearing. Thank you so much

[@PassionforSound]

That's great news! Thanks for letting me know. I'm so glad you're enjoying it.

[@kyron42]

Would be interesting to know how they compare to the various drop models. I have the HE4XX which sounds extremely good with my EQ. Much better than drop DT 880s. Without EQ the 880s sound better. Drop keeps producing new models and I've lost track.

[@PassionforSound]

I'd rate these higher than the HE-4XX based on the fact that the HE400i 2020 and HE-4 XX were basically comparable when I reviewed those and the 400SE is better than the 400i. I haven't tried the new HE-X4

[@kyron42]

@@PassionforSound thanks!

[@Merkava76]

Music is life !

[@AbhiramBharadwaj1]

Hi Lachlan, Thanks for the review. I'm an absolute noob to anything related to audio tech. However, planning to start my journey here. Im super interested in buying this headphone, however, i'll not be getting a DAC. I play a little guitar so i'll be getting the M-Audio Air 192|4 audio interface instead. Will that audio interface be able to drive this headphone? I've read about interfaces needing headphones with high impedance and this one is very low(because of planar?).

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Abhiram, audio interfaces often don't have particularly strong headphone amps so it's possible that it might struggle with the HE400SE, but I haven't specifically tried it to say for certain. Personally, I'd probably go for something a little easier (e.g. HD560S) if you're not planning to add an amp or maybe invest in a well priced amp like a Topping L30 or Schiit Magni 3+.

[@AbhiramBharadwaj1]

@@PassionforSound Thank you so much for the reply.

[@PassionforSound]

My pleasure

[@yassharrathi1337]

hey, i was wondering if the fiio e10k can drive this, i don't know how much i need since i didn't get what you said here 4:32, i bet it can't drive it but well maybe there is chance that it can

[@PassionforSound]

The E10K will be fine to drive these 🙂

[@yassharrathi1337]

@@PassionforSound nice, thank you kind sir

[@PassionforSound]

My pleasure

[@chefsteve8381]

How about a hoodie with " I hate crappy audio cables" or some Aussie audio slang on it, nice review BTW. Hifiman seem to be doing a lot of 4 series versions maybe a case of to much rinse repeat. How do you think the 4xx compare ?

[@PassionforSound]

I slightly preferred the HE-4XX to the HE400i 2020, but I think the SE bests the 4XX. I'm not sure if we have any Aussie audio slang...

[@chefsteve8381]

@@PassionforSound How about fair dinkum ?

[@PassionforSound]

Lol. Definitely Aussie, but not so much audio-related 🙂

[@limzhengxin1759]

Is tempotec sonata hd pro enough to drive the he400se?

[@PassionforSound]

I don't have a Sonata HD Pro here anymore to confirm, but it should just have enough power for normal listening levels I think

[@davidwright2379]

Hey Lachlan, these, or the sennheiser hd 599se, which would you recommend and spend the dollar on??? Dave

[@PassionforSound]

I don't know the 599SE so hard to say, but the 400SE are great - just a little light on bass soaybe factor that in depending on your preferences

[@davidwright2379]

@@PassionforSound thanks Lachlan, would be great to see a review and your opinion of the hd599se open backs sometime soon 😀 I'd certainly be interested in your comments. Any other followers have any comments on the hifiman HE400SE and their suitability for mobile devices?? Cheers guys

[@hareshrk6259]

Hello, i wanted an open back with good bass and i concluded with Philips x2hr but sadly they are double the price in my country. after some research i came to the realization that the new IEMs like the kz zs10pro are really good too. so now I'm torn between an iem called kz zas(improved zs10pros) and these he500se, i know both are totally different headphones but how do they compare sound wise ? I'm assuming the sound stage and the imaging of he500se will be much better but how is the rest ? i usually listen to edm, house, pop... but occasionally i also listen to violin/cello sonatas. please help me with this thank you

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Haresh, I haven't heard the kz headphones so I can't comment - sorry! I have briefly owned the X2HR in the past and would definitely choose the HE400SE over the X2HR which I was quite disappointed in.

[@hareshrk6259]

@@PassionforSound thank you, have you heard any IEMs which you can compare the HE400SE ?

[@PassionforSound]

I've heard many. IEMs will always be a bit different to a full sized headphone, but the general sound quality and tuning of the 400se isn't so hard to match with something like a Moondrop Aria or the new TForce Yuan Li (review coming soon)

[@hareshrk6259]

@@PassionforSound I'm sorry but are you saying the IEMs like Aria sound pretty similar to the he400 in terms of sound quality? then I would go with the IEMs since they are much more practical and they also have a added benifit of the base since I listen to edm,pop a lot. im sorry for the questions.. I just don't have the money to try out different headphones and have to settle for a good one for quite some time

[@PassionforSound]

Both forms offer different benefits. IEMs can absolutely match the sound of full sized cans in many ways and often can provide better sound for less money (to a point). On the other hand, they'll never match the sense of space, openness and movement of air that a full size open back can create. Some people are happy with IEMs as their only source while others want the full sized headphone experience so it's too personal a thing to say which will be right for you without you trying both. Sorry I can't provide more guidance.

[@franciscocastaneda632]

HIFIMAN he400se and its different versions vs AQ NightOwl? which is better to listen to rock?

[@PassionforSound]

I'd take the NightOwl for sure for rock music. Much better bass

[@user-bl6hg1hy9m]

Good review. I am weiting for 400se. Is it level up with my Philips shp895? DaC - FX Audio D01.

[@PassionforSound]

I expect you'll notice some good improvements, but I haven't personally heard the 895 so I'm basing that on the reviews I've seen of the 895 only.

[@user-bl6hg1hy9m]

@@PassionforSound yes I will. But my english is not good.

[@BigJav1]

Would the FiiO JadeAudio Q11 be suitable for these headphones?

[@PassionforSound]

The Q11 has more than enough power to do the HE400SE justice. Should work well :)

[@Mumbai-Toronto-NY]

I'm planning to buy these with the Qudelix 5K DAC/AMP. My question is whether the 5k would be able to drive these headphones? Would it provide sufficient power? Or should I look for another option?

[@PassionforSound]

I don't know the 5K specifically, but most dongles can handle the 400SE so the 5k should be fine unless you listen very loud or boost the EQ a lot

[@Mumbai-Toronto-NY]

@@PassionforSound Okay. Noted. Thank you for the reply.

[@lisafan6365]

Is this good for hip hop? I don't need booming bass non stop like most modern hip hop songs. I listen to old school hip hop in porta pros at the moment and they are almost perfect for me other than 1 complaint in some songs I miss a low bass note that I know should be there. It's either inaudible, or barely audible in the portapros. Would this give me what I am looking for to at least pick up on the lowest of notes but not necessarily have to rumble? for $109 current price I'm tempted to try them...

[@PassionforSound]

It's hard to go too wrong at that price, but what you'll be getting is a sound that's less bassy/full than the PortaPros. It will extend further down in the bass though so you'll hear the deeper notes, but the overall signature will be a bit leaner sounding

[@lisafan6365]

@@PassionforSound Can EQ fix that? or Do you have any other recommendations? I prefer opened back but I know closed back would work best. I heard Philips Fidelio X2HR is bassy would that be closer to the fullness of porta pros?

[@PassionforSound]

EQ can definitely fix that if you like to use EQ. There aren't too many other headphones at the same kind of price that perform as well and are open back

[@AlexB-dl5ou]

How about take like 10 or so frequency graphs from different flagship and such in different colors overlayed on a black or grey hoodie. Its kind of stealth but people who know will know

[@PassionforSound]

Interesting idea

[@PassionforSound]

Interesting idea!

[@danterikxx]

what about 400se vs Sennheiser HD 560s?

[@PassionforSound]

Probably best to check out my HD560S and HE400i 2020 video as I'm pretty sure I compared those two in one or both of those, but the HE400SE is smoother than the 400i 2020 which also makes it even more enjoyable for music compared to the HD560S which is very neutral and a touch sibilant. The 560S is great if your looking for an analytical headphone on a budget, but for musical enjoyment, I'd choose the 400SE

[@mikegoddard7354]

Those cables man... really HiFiman FOR F sake. Good God. From the intro. I wonder if the HE6se is stealth magnet as well, it's foolish sensitive like the original HE6 and is amazing. It's the exact type of sound I like to hear Hart cables are amazing. Love them. So convenient, I could careless what quality the cables are as it is so nice and well thought out

[@PassionforSound]

I think the HE-6SE is actually a special edition without stealth magnets, but don't quote me on that. And yes, the Hart cables are great. Not the best in sonic character, but for budget to mid-fi cans they're great.

[@mikegoddard7354]

@@PassionforSound I think the situation with headphone cables. Not to get into the entire cable discussion, is that the wires internally on the headphones do create a factor on the entire picture. I'm not one of those crazy measurement guys and I will not comment on the fact a different type of metal will create different signatures. Audioscience review had a video on this most recent with I believe 4 different cables. cheap, 200-300, 500, and 1000. The more expensive cables were from the same manufacturer. All measured exactly the same. So it's tough.. I dont wish to debate about it. But I mean some people are all about measurements and damn. You are basically just paying for the metal, so if that's the case use anything that has the metal signature you prefer.

[@PassionforSound]

Yeah, it's a tough one. I was chatting about this with another viewer and we ended up discussing the fact that there are many phenomena that we can't fully measure or quantify, but we know they exist. For example, the existence of dark matter, why the twin slit experiment is influenced by observation, quantum entanglement, and how the hive mind of ants works so long as the queen is alive and no matter where she is placed on the planet. So much we still can't explain so I agree with your thoughts - buy whatever you like and enjoy it regardless of whether it's measurable. If placebo and biases improve someone's enjoyment, where's the harm?

[@mikegoddard7354]

@@PassionforSound Indeed, however I say this part which should make absolute sense to anyone. A 5000 dollar cable doesn't make your system sound better, there's a limit to what cables can do. If cables were key, I think people would invest more into them rather than there system. I also feel the benefits are so nominal, listening wise that the amount you pay and what you get creates a vast diminishing return. We also can agree that different metals do have different properties and therefore sound can vary to that as well as the way it is cast so and so forth. But I think in this day and age unless youre really messing up there should be nothing that creates an audible change that would be greater than 20% and that's probably at the upper echelon price tag which most people cant even get to

[@PassionforSound]

In the most part, I completely agree. I have found cases where a particular headphone or IEM is in dire need of the right cable, but it's the minority for sure. It also tends to be headphones or earphones that are flagship level and able to reveal every last detail of the source chain. For "normal" gear, the cables are rarely so important and are a "last 5%" item when you've got everything else just right (DAC, amp, headphones, etc.)

[@Another_Audiophile]

Simply “Sound Matters”

[@eddyhsu1978]

Fellow Melbournian here, Loved my HE400se I got it few months ago along with ifi zen dac. Was bit underwhelmed due to the zen dac was not powerful enough for it. However once I upgraded to balanced cable on zen dac these sound grrat but not "Wow" in both clarity and volume. Also works great with my xduoo mt602. However need advice as my he400se unfortunately died on the left hand side therefore I have since sent it back to local retailer for warranty. I am just wondering from your expertise is it a worthy upgrade to just bite the bullet and pay the extra AU$200 & jump to a Sundara on my current setup of mostly ifi zen dac and occasional mt602? Would I be able to notice a improvement without upgrading my amp? Or I need a better amp to fully take advantage of the sundara compared to the 400se? Thanks in advance.

[@PassionforSound]

Hello and commiserations (for now at least) 😉 You'll definitely notice significant improvements from the Sundara IMO, but it's also a different tuning with greater warmth, but overall a more enjoyable listen I think. As for power, you don't need crazy power levels for either headphone despite what some people might tell you. The Sundara and HE400SE can be comfortably driven by either of your existing products. It will scale a bit to allow you even better sound if you upgrade in the future, but I believe you'll hear immediate benefits.

[@eddyhsu1978]

@@PassionforSound Awesome thanks for the advice, the Sundaras it is lol

[@PassionforSound]

Fantastic. Enjoy!

[@eddyhsu1978]

@@PassionforSound THANKS SO MUCH! just received my Sundara in the mail. WOW A MASSIVE Upgrade in everyway. Even for my untrained ears it was a big notice upgrade from the HE400SE! So happy that I am now a Patreon Member!

[@PassionforSound]

That's wonderful that you're liking them so much! Thanks for joining the Patreon. I'll see you over there 🙂

[@akkabor]

Hoodie with headphone/earbuds on the hood (possible your logo). So it looks like you have it on your head when the hood is on.

[@PassionforSound]

Great idea, but not an option with my merchandise producer ☹️

[@fletchermunson6225]

@@PassionforSound I'm late with my suggestion. I didn't see yours first. hah.

[@PassionforSound]

All good, SL!

[@raphaeldiaz1769]

Sir lachlan I'm kinda limited on budget I prefer to have less sidegrading My question is, what is your general opinion of planar vs dynamic which among the two sounds more natural ignoring implementations just going for general driver characteristics

[@PassionforSound]

I seem to be drawn to planars much more than dynamics. There are a few notable exceptions, but I think planars are the safer bet

[@raphaeldiaz1769]

@@PassionforSound thank you sir lachlan since this video is about the he400se Do you think the he400se is a good budget endgame headphone under 200$ I say endgame mostly because I'm still in my early audiophile years that I'm like With 300 or 400$ why should I spend this amount for headphones when I can spend it on other quality of life changes So yah that's why 200$ is endgame for me compared to any of you guys hahaha Any thoughts on the he400se as my budget endgame of course I'll buy a separate amp/dac for it. Also any mods or earpads to consider along to improve it aside from the crappy cable (In case my unit comes with the crappy cable)

[@PassionforSound]

I think the HE400SE is a great starting point and the cable is sonically fine, just a little annoying to use. In think you're making the right choice to start with a sensible budget because part of this journey is also about understanding your preferences. If you drop $1000 on your first headphones and they don't suit your tastes, your kind of stuck. This is a much better path IMO

[@SakuraMorandi]

Why so many people claim they have no bass? I came from DT 770Pro 250 and tried Phillips X2HR and they have way to much bass and the highs are brittle. Still so many good reviews. But HE400SE is another league.

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you're enjoying the 400SE. It's all relative in the end to your reference point and we also do all hear a little differently due to our different ear anatomy (size and shape of ear canals, etc.)

[@Andhika058]

Is ibasso dc03 have enough power for he400se?

[@PassionforSound]

It is probably ok at moderate listening levels, but will struggle to get loud and/or handle any significant boosts applied via EQ

[@alouisschafer7212]

Since a lot of people ask about amps: These are not hard to drive. I run them off a Fiio K3 which is limited to 320mw into 16 ohms and 100% Volume is unbearable. The earcups literally vibrate on my head to the bass so im actually worried about popping the drivers. 60-70% is pretty loud already. Ive got the Volume around 50-60% most of the time. You dont need a huge amp with several watts of output power for this headphone.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for adding that info - you're completely right

[@alouisschafer7212]

@@PassionforSound But I do want to invest in something beefier at some point. Use the K3 as a DAC and feed the line out into an Amp?

[@PassionforSound]

That could definitely work well. I've also got some reviews coming up of all-in-one devices like the Aune X1S GT and FiiO K9 Pro ESS. They could be good options too

[@danielsandoval8345]

Hoodie/T-Shirt Design Idea: As of late, I've been reading this well-known Japanese manga, called Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. One of the many things that make this series unique are the cover-artworks for each chapter, where the creator goes to excruciating lengths to make each cover looked as if it came right from an art book, with beautiful colors and level of details unseen in most other contemporary works, especially with latest installments to the series (Part 7 - Steel Ball Run - & Part 8 - Jojolion). With that in mind, I believe a design in the same vain as these artworks with an audiophile twist (headphones, vinyl records, items, etc.) would be a great idea for merchandise surrounding your channel, since your focus is detailed-oriented, like many of the author's works.

[@PassionforSound]

A very unique idea - thank you! To confirm that I understand, are you saying that the design would be a highly detailed image (maybe drawn) of specific audio devices?

[@danielsandoval8345]

​@@PassionforSound , in a way, yes and no! Specifically, I meant by "in the same vain...with an audiophile twist..." as in utilizing some of the elements that the author, Hirohiko Araki, takes inspiration from to create a design surrounding a specific audio device, not solely a highly-detailed image of one. Many of the designs of the pieces Araki makes take inspiration from classical techniques in paintings and sculptures, the color manipulation of Paul Gauguin's work, Western pop culture, and, lastly, fashion to create an engaging and evocative scenes and characters. For example, in the cover illustration for a spin-off manga collaboration with the fashion brand Gucci, appropriately titled "Rohan Kishibe Goes to Gucci," a side character is depicted against a simple backdrop with the Gucci brand's signature colorway acting as the background, while the character, himself, is dressed in stylish apparel with a Gucci duffle bag, staring directly at the audience and standing in a unique pose one would associate with fashion models. This image I describe along with several other works of Araki demands a level of attention and awe from its audience as an art piece, rather than a simple cover page, with the level of detail drawn and contrasted with a surreal color palette complementing it. With that in mind, I can imagine a drawn/painted design centering around an highly-detailed audio-related item, such as a vinyl record, against a large expanse of flat color while maintaining a very limited palette, contrasting warm and cold colors against one another to make the subjects of the piece pop more. Another design could have a single or multiple characters interacting with a device, utilizing the same aforementioned elements, as well, to break-up the overwhelming background and drawing attention to the item, like headphones or a DAC/AMP.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for the detailed explanation! It sounds beyond my design abilities, but I'll take a look at some of the covers and will also see if I could commision an artist if I choose to go that way. Thanks again!

[@danielsandoval8345]

@@PassionforSound , yeah, I apologize for throwing all that jargon at you, but it’s hard to describe such design without going into the technical stuff. Please, give them a look; once you see some of them, it’ll become more clearer on what design I think would be great! If not, a drawn detailed image of an audio device would also be a cool idea for a design as well. Thank you, again, for reading and replying to my comments btw.

[@PassionforSound]

All good, Daniel. Sometimes these things are hard to explain, but I appreciate the effort

[@tkhalid1379]

Fabulous review and thank you. I was almost set on buying these after looking at the other option I'm considering (pro 900x) but now I'm double minded again as I only have a portable DAC/amp i.e. the Helm Bolt. Looks like it may not be able to drive these fully?

[@PassionforSound]

Of the two headphones you're considering, is choose the 900 Pro X which also happens to be easy to drive, but if you feel like the HE400SE would suit you better, the Bolt should still be ok - you'll just be up towards the max volume perhaps

[@dasninjastix]

I went with the Drop HE-X4 over these, which are cheaper, different form factor, and come with a MUCH better stock cable. Price wasn't a factor when choosing between the two, I worried that the "stealth" magnets would be too lean, dry, or bright. That doesn't seem to be the case from your review but as you mention.. it's going to come down to comparative evaluations. The X4s sound rolled off in both directions, which is weird for a planar, but are creamy smooth and warm while having better resolution than they should at $130 US. They don't sound like the Deva/5xx or the Sundara imo and I would guess from your review that the SE wouldn't either. Great review as always! And Hart Audio cables are awesome, love the connector options and that they're non-microphonic. Good customer service as well. ✌️

[@PassionforSound]

I'm yet to try the HE-X4, but your description sounds quite interesting. I'm curious to see how they compare to the original HE-4XX (which I no longer have), the HE400i 2020 (which I'm planning to sell) and the HE400SE (that I intend to keep)

[@garyluciani370]

@@PassionforSound The x4 sounds the same as the 400se but is a little cheaper.

[@MrBlitzpunk]

From what i gathered, the HE-X4 has pretty much identical driver to the chinese version of HE400se (400se v1 some people have called it) since the chinese version of the 400se don't use stealth magnet, is cheaper, but came with the better cable. So pretty much the only meaningful difference between the 2 is the headband, which i'd personally prefer the X4. But yeah, im currently using the 400se v1 and loving it (except the headband)

[@paolozafra5499]

I know it is difficult to compare headphones and IEMs, I already have the timeless, do you think this would be a good purchase or should I get something in the higher budget range like the Sundaras?

[@PassionforSound]

If you like the Timeless, the 400SE have a fairly different tonality with significantly less bass. I'd probably look for a different option like the Sundara, Meze 99, Beyer DT 900/700 (open/closed), Rode NTH-100 (closed) or Sivga Phoenix. The Phoenix might be the best of that list for your tastes if you enjoy the Timeless, but all those cans are great

[@paolozafra5499]

@@PassionforSound Great! most of these are under my radar and the Phoenix are super affordable here in the Philippines ($135), This could be my entry in the world of headphones. I will watch your review and decide. So far you are giving me a sign *wink*. :D

[@paolozafra5499]

Oops, forgot to mention I have a large head and above average sized ears so the Phoenix may be small for me. Could have been an easy blind buy considering the rock bottom the price here. XD

[@PassionforSound]

So glad I could help! Edit: just read your post about sizing. I can't recall which headphones suit larger sizes. I don't recall the Phoenix being super tight, but you'll need to judge what you think will fit.

[@paolozafra5499]

I did more research on the Phoenix and a certain reviewer named Zeos (You may have heard of him) actually loved them and he has a significantly larger head shape and ears than yours, he showed in his video that the head band is actually made of bendy steel and you can bend them a bit to lower the clamping force and fit a larger head. I will go ahead and blind buy the Phoenix as the really low price here is too good to pass. I will let you know how I like them once tested. Thanks again! :)

[@zaironwellfabella332]

will the topping NX1s handle the he400se well? That's what my budget can do at the moment, thank you

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't tried the NX1s, but it looks to have plenty of power for the job - should be fine

[@zaironwellfabella332]

@@PassionforSound it has 150 mW @ 32 ohms ×2, will that be enough?

[@PassionforSound]

It should do fine. The HE400SE needs 80mW to reach dangerous listening levels so there's room to spare at normal, safe levels

[@zaironwellfabella332]

@@PassionforSound thank you very much for the advice, I really need to know this from a professional, your contents are a great help for those who are just starting the hobby more power sir!

[@PassionforSound]

My pleasure. Glad I could help

[@yongguo3897]

What do you think of SHP9600? Is it worth it to spend more for the HE400SE? Or, save the money and just get the SHP9600? Thanks in advance.

[@Sir_Corgerus]

I own both. SHP9600 is more fun with a warm sound, while the HE400se has a clearer and colder sound. SHP sounds just a touch wider and the SHP seems better for gaming. HE400se doesn't struggle with complex music, while the SHP can start to struggle when lots of sounds are playing at once but that's not a significant problem. SHP is the comfort king (if you have a microfiber cloth nearby), while the HE400se is only 7.5/10 due to the stiff headband and heavy-ish weight. I can wear the SHP for hours longer. For music listening, I use the HE400se, but when I'm just wanting to chill with other music or play games, I switch to my SHP9600. You need an amp for the HE400se, I use it with 4.4 Pentaconn on my iFi Zen DAC. The SHP won't need an amp.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for answering, Matt, and in such great detail! I haven't tried the SHP so this was extra helpful.

[@cactuscooler4003]

Design idea for shirts/sweatshirts/hats/anything really: Text that says, "Music is life and life is music" or if you prefer, just, "Music is life." And a related idea, "Life without music isn't life at all" or, "What is life without music?" I know that's a lot of ideas, but the gist of it all involves the use of the words "music" and "life" in whatever configuration you prefer.

[@cactuscooler4003]

And a slightly different variation, "Life is Lossless" or "Life isn't Lossless without Lachlan"

[@PassionforSound]

Lol. That last one might come off a little egotistical, but I appreciate all the ideas. Thanks for the suggestions, CC

[@cactuscooler4003]

@@PassionforSound I think your fans would find it funny, plus people who don't know who you sre will ask the person in the shirt who Lochlan is and maybe you'll get a new subscription out of it! (Edit: How are you picking the winner of the giveaway? Are you picking the idea you like the most or picking like a top 5 and letting the subscribers or Patrons vote on their favorite?)

[@PassionforSound]

I'm just picking the one I like most and feel like I can and want to get made into a design

[@HermeticAscetic22]

@@PassionforSound Nietzsche would’ve agreed with that last line. 😁

[@maximilianbecker321]

A hoodie with: "...Except power amps and passive Speakers" and your logo above or below it.

[@PassionforSound]

Nice one, Max. Thank you

[@Sid1804.]

Will the Fiio E10K be able to properly drive these? Great review tho!

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you liked the review. The E10K should do fine 🙂

[@Sid1804.]

@@PassionforSound Tried the E10K. Unfortunately they were stretched to the max. I'm now looking at either the IFI Hip Dac or the Xduoo 05 Basic. What would you recommend? I want something with enough power that has an inbuilt battery.

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't tried either of those yet so I can't really comment - sorry! I'm surprised the E10K is so stretched. Hopefully you're not listening too loud. Please be careful with your hearing 🙂

[@Sid1804.]

@@PassionforSound Appreciate your concern. I was surprised as well.

[@pokrog]

you should measure the impedance and see what you come up with. i got 56ohm on mine and i'm 100% confident those advertised specs are the chinese non stealth variant of the 400se.

[@PassionforSound]

That's interesting. I'm not so fussed about the actual numbers though - what I'm focussed on is the sound 🙂

[@pokrog]

@@PassionforSound oh I know it doesn't matter it's just odd how much harder to power they are than a lot of headphones out there and I think it's because the impedance is around double what they advertised and I think the sensitivity is quite a bit lower as well.

[@PassionforSound]

That's true. The quoted specs do suggest they're a bit tricky to drive so they're not entirely misleading, but hopefully they're also not way off.

[@prabinpaudel5572]

I have ifi hip dac that gives 400mw at 16 ohm balanced. I hope it drives 400se close to its potential. ☺

[@PassionforSound]

You should be absolutely fine. The HE400SE can run from dongles to ok levels so any self-powered device (Hip DAC has a battery yes?) will have plenty of power.

[@prabinpaudel5572]

​@@PassionforSound yes it does. I am excited for the combo. It's my 1st 'real' headphone. I currently own tinhifi p1 and koss kph30i. Hope its a level up. I'd have loved to get sundara but... budget crunch 😂😂

[@PassionforSound]

I think you'll be quite impressed!

[@kyron42]

You don't need more power for quiet soundtracks so therefore you don't need more headroom. You just need plenty of amplifier gain available.

[@PassionforSound]

Gain and power are interrelated. If you are running at say 85% for normal recordings and then you get a quiet one, you could easily hit 100% without getting to a suitable volume level. Also, gain without the power to back it up isn't helpful.

[@kyron42]

@@PassionforSound gain and power are completely independent. You can have a circuit with lots of gain but little power alternatively you could have a circuit with lots of power and little gain. If the circuit cannot produce the power needed for a particular audio level it will distorted if you try to push it. If the circuit runs out of gain it won't distort. It just won't get loud enough.

[@PassionforSound]

I think that's oversimplifying things because they interact so closely. If you have a difficult pair of headphones, no matter how much gain you have, they won't get loud enough without distortion so the amount of gain becomes irrelevant. The same IS true if you have insufficient gain where now they won't get loud enough no matter how much power you have so I think they need to be considered together for the general consumer to understand. For instance, many might think something like the MT-602 that I'm currently reviewing is very powerful when they find it getting way too loud too fast with a low impedance/high sensitivity headphone, but it won't successfully drive something like a Susvara because it's the gain causing the high volume, not the power. I get what you're saying and don't mean to suggest you're wrong. I just think that people without a thorough understanding who read these comments need to understand both gain and power together.

[@VikasBhaleriwalaca]

Like your videos

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you like them! 🙂🙂

[@phillipnunya6793]

Why not come out with several prints that would let people represent their personal preferences? For example, one print featuring a tube with text like "lighting in a bottle" for those who prefer tube amps, one showing a PCB set up with R2R saying something like "transcending measurements", one with op amps saying "precision perfection", ect. Maybe a design of a balanced 4.4 or XLR saying "live a balanced life." Could also make two designs representing open or closed preference, or two that represent bass/fun or neutral/detail preference. Maybe one that says "bass monster" showing an angry hulk banging a drum and wearing an LCD-X or something, and the other saying something like "deadly accurate" showing a ninja shooting a bow and arrow and wearing an Arya. Should be pretty simple to create a stylized image like that (except for the last two), and it gives you several designs instead of one.

[@PassionforSound]

I really like the tube, R2R and op-amp ideas. I'll give those some further thought... Thank you and stay tuned

[@phillipnunya6793]

@@PassionforSound Always do ;)

[@notpops1678]

Put a hoodie with the intro spheel on it

[@PassionforSound]

Lol. Small text? Could actually be kind of fun...

[@kaziemon1025]

Your hoodi looks good.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Kazi! Got a suggestion for a design?

[@anirudhiyer9351]

I am an absolute noob in the audiophile territory. My Budget is $350. I am planning on going with HE400SE with FiiO K5 Pro. Is this good enough? Please suggest if you feel there's a better product for my budget.

[@anirudhiyer9351]

If I go with Sundara what budget DAC would be better for it? Like the FiiO E10K maybe? And budget headphone with a costlier dac is a wise choice or a costly headphone with a budget DAC?

[@PassionforSound]

I don't know a lot of budget DAC/amps like the K5 or E10K so I can't really advise on that. You should be safe enough with the FiiO gear though. Sorry I can't be more helpful!

[@antpage2]

I have both the HE4SE and the 400i 2020. I found the HE4SE a much better listen. Also the HE4SE had better soundstage than the 400i 2020. It is a great bargain at its price point. Though for 50$ more you could get a Beyerdynamic TYGR300r.

[@PassionforSound]

I agree about the two 400 models. I've got the Tygr here now. Looking forward to a detailed listen soon

[@Pablito5614]

@@PassionforSound I'm incredibly interested and eagerly awaiting you're review of the tygr 300r. You're one of the best on the tube, thanks for all your hard work.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Paul. I've had a brief listen and they're definitely an interesting and unique headphone. Not too long to wait, but I do have a few others in the queue ahead of them.

[@Pablito5614]

@@PassionforSound Sounds good, I'm wondering how they sound vs the 400se since I just got them today. I noticed the 4xx cable came with it, however the 4xx cable doesn't sound as clear as the annoying crappy cable they came with. The default cable still sounds a bit treble peaky though, have u found a cable that you think sounds better than the stock one? Am I wrong about the 4xx cable, it just doesn't sound as good to me on the 400se.

[@PassionforSound]

I've actually got a review of a couple of well-priced cables coming soon. One is the Hart Audio cable and the other is the Apos Flow cable. I think the sound of the Flow is slightly better, but the Hart Audio cable is wonderful due to their modular design. I also haven't done critical listening yet so don't hold me to those thoughts 🙂 The review is probably still about 3-4 away in my queue so if you are in a rush, lettl me know and I'll see if I can make a more solid recommendation. I'd believe that the 4XX cable might not sound as good, but I sold my 4XXs so I can't compare.

[@nicolaslepper8353]

Hoodie with the printed soundwave of the word "passion"

[@PassionforSound]

Oohhh... That's kind of cool!

[@PassionforSound]

Guess what, Nicolas? Yours was my favourite idea of those suggested!! You've won yourself a pair of Samsung Galaxy Buds Live and a hoodie, t-shirt or other piece of merchandise (your choice). You can check out the design here: passion-for-sound.myspreadshop.com.au/passion+wave?idea=610cd802ea46484b67a7071a Please email me at [e-mail] so I can get your details to send you your earphones and merch!

[@nicolaslepper8353]

@@PassionforSound oh wow thats amazing 😄😄 thats the first time I won something and the hoodie looks amazing 🤩 I'll contact you via Email 😊

[@PassionforSound]

I look forward to receiving your email. It's late on Friday here now so I'll likely get back to you tomorrow or the day after.

[@nicolaslepper8353]

@@PassionforSound no worries 😊

[@p3chv0gel22]

I think i'll buy the 400se for my first open back Headphones (and first planar ones). Might be a good alternative for my dt770pro

[@PassionforSound]

They're a great entry into planars 🙂

[@julianfrancofarinas4280]

What would be a good upgrade from these? 😊

[@PassionforSound]

If you want to maintain a similar tonality, I'd go for the Verum 1. Otherwise, the Sundara and Ananda Stealth are both excellent. Sivga SVO23 is another great choice in a different type of design.

[@koningklootzak7788]

Which is harder to drive, 400SE or 400i 2020?

[@PassionforSound]

According to the specs I collected, the 400SE is more difficult

[@koningklootzak7788]

@@PassionforSound that's what I have also found out after some googling. I actually got 400i 2020 today, I can drive it on my smartphone with dongle DAC. I'm sure it performs better with more powerful DAC, but I'm satisfied enough for now.

[@alouisschafer7212]

These have potential to be sub 200$ endgame for many listeners.

[@PassionforSound]

Absolutely

[@RayCabrera1]

Hoodie with your logo

[@PassionforSound]

Got that already, Ray 😉

[@johnlindley3622]

The upgraded cable has just tipped the balance as great value for money

[@PassionforSound]

I agree

[@apx1911]

how bout an illustration of a tube in the shape of a glass syrup bottle with "extra goodness" as caption. lol

[@PassionforSound]

I like it!

[@kyron42]

You think that the silver plated cable is brighter. I'm willing to bet a frequency response comparison would show less than 0.1 dB difference.

[@PassionforSound]

I'm saying it feels horrible. It kinks, it bends and it's thin and rigid to touch. No measurements required for most of that - just look at me holding it in the video. Hopefully I said in the video (I think I did) that it sounds fine. The wire quality isn't my issue, the overall cable quality is.

[@kyron42]

@@PassionforSound yes it looks like very difficult to manage. I was referring to the part where you said silver plated copper sounds brighter.

[@PassionforSound]

Oh, there's more to it than FR. I don't fully understand the physics, but the silver plated cables consistently sound different and always brighter than a copper cable.

[@kyron42]

@@PassionforSound I'm sure you believe that. From an engineering perspective there is no obvious mechanism for that to happen. I will keep my eye out for a blind test that indicates one way or another.

[@PassionforSound]

This one's not really in question to me. There's lots we can't measure still, but it does exist as a phenomena. For example, scientists know dark matter exists even though they're struggling to measure it. The difference is of course that sonic differences between wire types don't warrant the same attention because they're less significant. The lack of measurements doesn't make it any less real. I'm not suggesting that placebo, psychoacoustics, biases, etc. aren't real, but when I find myself picking the type of conductor in a cable based on listening to it when it's insulated in black opaque plastic (i.e. no visible cues), there's clearly something going on. I've read lots of theories, but nothing that's been proved yet. The same is true for dark matter, how the hive mind of ants and similar insects work and even some studies into our own DNA where stuff happens that we can't measure or explain, but it still happens.

[@Onibaka]

did they finally fix their terrible quality control ?

[@PassionforSound]

I've had many pairs over the last 1-2 years with no issues so I think they might have