The Best Dark Fantasy Storyline

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[@olafsomething]

The Eren Yeager/Paul Atreides parallels run DEEEEP

[@idiot9359]

this is the exact thought i had watching the film , bro took eren's path

[@RobCloudz]

Idk if you’re talking about stuff in the Dune books, but so far, the parallels do not run very deep. They just have similar concepts and take somewhat similar actions, but in terms of the actual characters, Paul hasn’t been revealed yet, but what we have seen seems to imply something very different from Eren’s true character. I have no idea what’s gonna happen with Paul tho so maybe you’re right and I just don’t know enough. If that’s the case, please don’t spoil me.

[@soysource3218]

@@idiot9359 Especially when Paul drinks worm piss and gains the memories of all previous ancestors.

[@thatjazzybee3211]

@@RobCloudz you just dont know it yet, but yes they are similar

[@Kaspar502]

"To all subjects of The Empire. My name is Paul Muad'Dib Atreides. I'm using the power of the Water of life to address all of the Empire's subjects. The harvesting of all spice present on Arrakis has come undone, and all Fremen entrapped within it have started marching. My objective is to protect the people of Arrakis, the place where I was born and raised. However, the Universe wishes for the annihilation of the people of Arrakis. The hatred that has been swelling up for so long will certainly not end until not just the Fedaykin, but all of the Fremen have been eliminated. I reject that wish. The Fedaykin Legions shall trample all Planetary systems outside of Dune underfoot, until all unbelievers existing there have been exterminated from this Universe."

[@jovee6155]

"using the power of Spice" would fit better since that's what they're all fighting for

[@sentientmustache8360]

Alternatively: “These are my father’s glasses. My name is Eren Yeager, SOLDIER OF THE SURVEY CORPS! LET THE HAND OF YMIR BE MY WITNESS! I AM THE FOUNDING TITAN! I WILL LEAD THE RUMBLING FROM PARADISE!”

[@jovee6155]

@@sentientmustache8360 Eldians in Paradis: Yeager! Yeager! Yeager! Eldians in Marley: Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit!

[@thalmoragent9344]

Paul wasn't born on Arrakis though 💀

[@sentientmustache8360]

@@thalmoragent9344 Muad’Dib was.

[@Spacellama117]

i'd like to point out to y'all the comics that Paul and Eren aren't so much parallels as they are Paul being an inspiration for Eren's character. Dune's one of the most important and influential works in sci-fi. if you saw something in dune and thought 'oh hey, isn't that from [INSERT THING]?"? no its from Dune and whatever thing you saw probably was influenced by it

[@vertexedits1806]

AoT is my favorite story of all time cant believe its over and this video is underrated man

[@DetectDpadTV]

Thank you so much for watching!

[@vertexedits1806]

@@DetectDpadTV my pleasure looking forward to more content like this

[@princessshei9171]

Good video! My partner and I definitely picked up the parallels between Paul and Eren, they're both very good stories. One small critique; Eren had to initiate The Rumbling because, in the same vein as Paul, his people would have been destroyed without it. He gazed at a future where him and Mikasa ran away together but Marley still came. Marley was already going to declare war and attack them but because Eren knew about it, he struck first. It wasn't simply for revenge. He hated what he had to do.

[@aekaralagonisi]

Eren himself said “defending the island” was nonsense when he cried and confessed to Ramsey. 😅 He himself admitted to being an idiot before the end.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

@@aekaralagonisi Doesn't matter what he said, the truth still stands.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Glad someone was smart enough to understand that Eren HAD to do everything he did.

[@dracont11]

​@@thelegacyofgaming2928 if you actually think THAT was the smart solution. I'm sorry to inform you that you are stupid by definition, and lack any sort or critic reading of the story you claim to know so much. Not only that you stupidly ingore the parts odf the actual story that go against your opinion, that is pure stupidity.

[@yeskawa]

@@thelegacyofgaming2928my thoughts exactly

[@evil1knight]

I love the downfall story, it’s like a future we all could have, becoming a hero is hard falling to evil is a much easier path

[@ether2275]

While true, but it isn't necessarily an easier path. Many of these characters understand that what they're doing will create a lot of horrors and that they will push their loved one's away but they must still move forward and see this though to the end.

[@ether2275]

"When you see everything, you understand that the righteous heroes you believed in are nothing but a story" is a very real statement and honestly I think in my personal opinion that when it comes to Attack on Titan, while Eren is obviously the one you'd think of when this statement comes up, I believe that it might fit a character like Reiner a bit better. Reiner, didn't exactly have the same power that these guys have, the power to see everything. But he did learn the cruelty of this word through experience at a very early age. He wanted to he a hero for his mother to be proud of him. But in the end all he managed to do is become a mass murderer. He was brainwashed to believe that he had some grand purpose but his world kept crumbling around him on each step he took untill in the end he broke. The fact that Reiner develops a split personality disorder is honestly very fitting for someone trying so hard to act strong but knowing he really isn't. In a way, I prefer this version of the story, because he didn't have some crazy power to lead him into doing this. He simply believed into heroism, thinking he is saving the world, untill he saw the reality of his actions and the pain they caused. So in the end he just chose to also move forward and see this through to the end. He fought and lost and miraculously survived, leaving only the shell of a man that we saw in season 4. To me Eren is a great character in concept but a bit too complicated for people to fully understand him. His violent nature is intriguing but paints him more like a psychotic murderer than a tragic hero. That is why I prefer Reiner's character when it comes to this and it's also obvious they're both basically mirrors of each other but differ in some core fundamental ways.

[@rifway22]

I always love Paul's story but I think Eren's story refined one problem I had with Paul, and that is the question of free will. I think Paul's free will was robbed when he saw possible futures so all his decisions was in pursuit of the golden path, the most desired outcome, so the blame on him kinda lessens, it's not his fault because he was subservient to that golden path. As for Eren, everything that happened is because of him. He pursued that outcome because of his selfish desire, and that desire was shaped because of the circumstances he was brought up, caged within the walls, mom got eaten in front of him, trying to survive against monstrous titans, and then reliving the memories of the Eldians suffering from prejudice and persecution from Marleyans, he just had enough. He did the rumbling because he wanted to. And the genius of the storytelling is that even after the atrocities he committed we still sympathized with him.

[@VictorIV0310]

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[@tylerjames805]

I didn’t. I think Attack On Titan is overrated as fuck because all the characters are dry as hell and I just couldn’t connect with any of them. I think Lelouch is a waaaaaaaay better comparison to Paul than Eren is.

[@ivansmirnoff6987]

Paul eventually abandons the Golden Path, as the guilt of all the suffering needed to bring it about becomes far too much for him to bear, along with the death of Chani. He abandons everything, and his son, Leto II takes the Golden Path, and it's more horrifying than anyone could imagine. Paul by Messiah is flat out stated to be worse than Hitler, having caused 61 billion deaths, and yet, the cruelty he would unleash upon humanity was a grain of sand in the desert compared to what his son would become.

[@canti7951]

I wouldn't call that genius storytelling, for me it was the worst part of AoT. The character of Paul Atreides does more in dismantling the myth of the protagonist, the myth of the "great man" as Frank Herbert puts it. The fact that Dune reels you in first with a charismatic leader then gradually and subtly shows you the dark undertones of his rise to power is fantastic. I can't really say much for Eren as, imo, the ending didn't really do his arc enough justice. Sure it was shown how pathetic he really was but they were like 2 lines. Not to mention how sentimentally cliched that ending was, it didn't really say much beyond war is bad, cycle of violence, all of which we've already heard a thousand times and the previous seasons had already done way better job at tackling. I didn't hate S4 but still Eren as the "villain" character is way too underbaked to be even compared to Paul who has an entire book series dedicated to his rise and fall.

[@bmona7550]

I can just tell you guys would love the Netflix series, Dark. The idea and challenges of what is free will is tackled really well.

[@viktormarkovic8986]

Excellent video! Glad someone had a refreshing take on it all. One thing I don't see discussed much is how Eren is the same as Karl Fritz, the Eldian king who fled to Paradis and made the vow renouncing war. Karl wanted peace, but didn't want to do the hard, messy, and long work of making difficult decisions to ensure a lasting peace on the mainland. He didn't want any moral scrutiny that power carried, so he fled, made an idealistic vow of pacifism, and even the threat he made was empty so he could make sure he never ends up indirectly responsible for destroying the world should someone attack Paradis. Eren also doesn't want to do the hard, long, and messy work of ensuring peace and acceptance of Eldia, including the many fights in the future like those that killed Sasha. So he wants to close his eyes and wish the rest of the world away. He, however, takes all the moral blame, including telling everyone what he intended to do. He is also driven by the idealistic and selfish notion of wanting to protect his friends at the cost of everything else.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

There aren't not comparable. "Eren also doesn't want to do the hard, long, and messy work of ensuring peace and acceptance of Eldia," Because he can't do the hard messy work, he was gonna die in 4 years. "including the many fights in the future like those that killed Sasha" Because he didn't have supreme control over the situation. It'll be like if Chani dies sometime during the crusade and we blame Paul for not being in the room everytime to protecther.

[@yudhihamzah]

Huh, interesting take.. so i guess paul is more aligned to karl fritz, while leto II is more aligned to eren

[@HumbertTheMage]

@@ikengaspirit3063Karl Fritz also had the founder tho so wouldn’t that also apply to him?

[@Dracossack.]

@@ikengaspirit3063 Right, and that still fits the point above. Eren selfishly didn't want to die without having accomplished anything. He, in his words, didn't want to leave the future of Paradis up to chance. He wanted to see the result with his own eyes. He could have begun the hard and messy work, and left his friends to continue it after he died, but that was not acceptable to him. He couldn't bear the thought of leaving things open-ended and just dying with a whimper

[@christianfortner]

Great illustration of trying to fight the future is Eren in one of the final episodes, when he saves the young boy he already knows he will kill later.

[@DetectDpadTV]

Probably my favorite moment from the series!

[@dinowarship5762]

I’d argue Paul is more Grisha rather than Eren….. iykyk

[@solitaryenjoyer411]

🐛

[@sagebuchanan9725]

🪱

[@sentientmustache8360]

“would you love me if i was a worm?”

[@AttackUazik]

OMG, Paul, Eren and Bran side by side review we all needed. Similar powers, different stories.

[@smellslikebloodysinus2211]

I am deeply obsessed with this view of story telling.. maybe because i’m very spiritual and fascinated the figure of a god.. but this type of story tell gets me every time cause there’s nothing stopping you from become who you are meant to be.. it always has and always will be

[@xhinoteque]

AOT and Dune bro. Peak fiction holding a mirror back to humanity

[@eric8841]

Preach 🙌, AoT shot up my all time favorite list with it’s ending. I always thought it was good but that ending was just perfect imo. And it’s crazy how the themes in Dune become more and more relevant today. There was just some government official saying how soon people won’t need to vote because AI will be able to predict the outcomes… sounds like we’re on our way to the butlerian jihad smh

[@Despotic_Waffle]

​@eric8841 you should read until dune book 4 if you havent. Frank Herbert may have gotten weird with it, but his messages always hit. 'All governments tend to revert into aristocracies' and 'Police know that the most lucrative criminal position is a position of authority' are some quotes I'm paraphrasing.

[@eric8841]

@@Despotic_Waffle for sure, I’ve read all the books

[@SKAron25]

Super underrated video! I also really love this type of storyline. It's interesting to consider how whether the future the character sees is already predetermined or one of many possibilities. In Eren's case, he lives in a deterministic universe, hence it sets up a great ironic twist on his character who seeks freedom above all, only to be enslaved by his own future self. Of course, his future self only makes those choices because he is the type of person to do so, but we see how much it still pains him. In Paul's case (I've only seen the movies), the holy war seemed to only be a possibility that he could have avoided. But all of his circumstances forced him to become what he saw in his visions - it was the only way to protect what he loved and get revenge on those who wronged him. In the end, both are victims of a cruel world and its circumstances and both have a tragic character arc, but in notably different ways.

[@artin7343]

Man this was one of the best videos ive watched this whole month

[@DetectDpadTV]

That means a ton! Thank you so much for watching!

[@IAMDEMIURGE]

AoT 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@snoosh101]

Such an underrated video!! You gave such valubale insight into these amazing characters in such a concise manner. Simply amazing!

[@DetectDpadTV]

thank you so much! Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@ABG_SPARTAN]

Very underrated. Keep up the good work bro🔥

[@DetectDpadTV]

appreciate it so much man 🥹 thank you for always supporting me!

[@scubed9227]

Excellent content & Glad to see the comment section bustling with the reasoning behind Eren's action being more than what it's seemed to be portrayed here, because it is actually complicated & difficult situation to be in, just like how it was for Eren to take that action. On contemplating more, Eren wished there was a better way all the time, he truly didn't wish for the outcome that he saw from the memories, which is why he is (a) distraught at the end of season 3 ocean scene, and asks armin whether they'd actually attain freedom, if all the enemies were wiped out. (b) desperate against Hange in the cell for another way (c) falls into a sigh of resignation when Tybur declares war ... etc In the end, in order to actually carry out the rumbling, it takes sheer willingness (powered by revenge he couldn't let go of) and disillusionment (childish view of freedom). He highlighted and magnified these worst and negative traits & desires of himself, as a fuel to make himself carry out the dreaded deed, something which he HAD to do, bcoz it is a result of choices of him & ALSO other humans. It wasn't for his childish dream alone, he HAD to move forward despite the costs, to Reach 'The End'. 'The End' - being his vision of the best possible resolution he cud envision - (i) world without titans, Eldian's salvation (ii) his friends to be free from Titan curse & live long lives (iii) his birth island to survive for his friends to live full lives - this he managed, by sparing the remaining population outside the walls - to be same population in the island (no immediate reprisal)

[@belthazarthedestroyer4371]

I noticed the parallel between Eren and Paul immediately when I watched Dune and Dune 2 at the theatre. Great video man. AoT is my favorite story of all time but I must admit Dune 2 had a better ending. My problems with AoTs ending is solely in the factual/literal stuff and less so to do with Erens motivations, which to me all the emotional aspects and philosophies/journeys of the characters were done perfectly imo

[@JFLOWZ970]

I just watched Dune part 2 and while watching I really started to see the similarities of Paul and Eren. You did a great job analyzing this archetype, and definitely deserve more engagement. Any fan of both series would be satisfied they found this video discussing the similar themes

[@DetectDpadTV]

Genuinely touched by this… thank you so much!

[@tylerjames805]

Honestly I see more of a comparison to Lelouch from Code Geass than Eren. Both of them start as princes who have everything taken from them by the villains and both become the leaders of marginalized groups by said villains and it’s unclear whether or not Lelouch or Paul actually want to help them or are just using them for their own selfish revenge.

[@tylerjames805]

Honestly I see more of a comparison to Lelouch from Code Geass than Eren. Both of them start as princes who have everything taken from them by the villains and both become the leaders of marginalized groups by said villains and it’s unclear whether or not Lelouch or Paul actually want to help them or are just using them for their own selfish revenge.

[@thalmoragent9344]

I've always found the Founding Titan's ability to look through, shift, and experience the memories of others to be the coolest thing ever. Paul seeing his "entire bloodline" and the events to come was epic.

[@GamingAfro2003TeamAfro]

Thank you very kindly for this wonderful experience of a video 🙏🏼

[@DetectDpadTV]

thank you so much for watching!

[@pavlemarjanovic1896]

The thing about Dune is that nobody can relate to Paul. At the end of the first book he is no longer human, well not in a sence that matters, i suppose. Physically he is human, but his mindset and abilities make him an ascended human and at the end he accepts his fate and his destiny.

[@canti7951]

Manifest Destiny

[@wizcatcheslightning]

Fun fact: while listening to this on an iPhone, Siri activated when you said the word “series”. Good times

[@teitheartist7056]

A mind stretched by experience can never go back to its old dimensions

[@slapjacq2131]

What a banger line

[@mananghildiyal2675]

great vid mate, very well explained

[@DetectDpadTV]

hey thank you so much! Appreciate you watching!

[@Glen3thousand]

look at that im your 800th subscriber

[@DetectDpadTV]

Insane!!! Thank you so much!

[@sumter2182]

Great video!

[@galliaxx0173]

dude you so underrated

[@AlmostOmniscient]

Big Dune Fan™ here. I think there's a very important narrative beat that the movies didn't reach yet, that largely invalidates the comparison. Entire Dune franchise spoiler ahead: Where Eren is in a deterministic universe, Paul isn't. Starting with Paul's son, Leto II, we start getting more explicit, rather than implied, "rules" for foresight. Prescience is a trap. Rule 1: Prescience has blind spots. Imagine looking down a road. Chances are, you may see the end and the scenery, but you are incapable of seeing the dips in it, especially when it comes to others with prescience. Rule 2: Use of prescience doesn't "show" the future, it creates it. Leto II becomes the god emperor explicitly to invalidate this danger by "breeding" extremely limited prescience into the general population, making prescience useless. Where Eren experiences no moral hazard because the outcome is assured. On the other hand Paul does because he not only has choices, but is too scared of some options (the Golden Path and sacrificing his humanity) and refuses to forego prescience.

[@k90001]

While I disagree on your take on Eren, I appreciate the comparison video. My experience with Dune was only the movie, and I found it originally too dull to absorb much of the plot. But with this breakdown, maybe I should give Part 1 another try and watch Part 2 as well. And my take on Eren is that he becomes the necessary evil so that Paradis and the rest of the world have a common enemy rather than each other or focus on Paradis at all. Him admitting to his friends that he cherished their relationship the most was why he did what he had to. To keep them alive at any cost. The perspective shifts away from his in the final season because he is no longer following the typical hero's journey, his friends are. His main goal was to always destroy the Titans, but the twist is that his role isn't the hero who destroys the Titans, he's the last villain that'll vanish with the rest of them. But still no doubt, a great comparison video 😊

[@davatho]

These are popular because they mostly speak to a darker side of us that enjoys this kind of dark power fantasy. To wield this kind power without really accepting the blame or responsibility for their actions, a lot of people want that. There's nothing more powerful than free will. To decide to do something or not to do something. To not live and act how people and the spirit of this age expects you to. That's real power that these examples don't wield, at least from where I am sitting.

[@Celeborn93]

Great video buddy. Well spoken and nicely trimmed so as to not feel bloated. Currently writing a story of my own, and i'm considering this approach to one of my characters, but it also seems so daunting and risky, as so much of the story is going to depend on the execution of this.

[@DetectDpadTV]

Thank you! I totally get that, even discussing stories like this feels like an immensely challenging task. I’d love to see your story some day once you find its direction!

[@Celeborn93]

@@DetectDpadTV For sure! We're aiming to create a teaser trailer for the project in the (hopefully) not too distant future. We just need the funds haha.

[@BigToody]

What’s the story about?

[@Celeborn93]

@@BigToody Hey, thank you for your interest. It's a dark-fantasy, action, dystopia, adventure, and it's essentially about a small group of people who have lived a lie their whole lives, stuck in a small clearing inside a massive and mysterious forest that they fear above all else, filled with strange creatures, discovering that they're part of something much bigger. There's a LOT of mystery, and i don't want to give too much away. The magic system i won't comment on yet. The setting is pre industrial, northern Celtic, Scandinavian culture inspired, but also delves into Eastern and Greek cultures. It's featuring themes such as war, discrimination, hope, consequences, redemption, and the human condition, to name a few. It is an incredibly large scale story, with five major acts, and the story spands 4-6 years in total we believe.

[@BigToody]

@@Celeborn93 Ooh very interesting. Im guessing the characters are gonna be disillusioned and learn the truth from some inciting incident, then they’ll go on an adventure and then try to fight to change the system, buckle under pressure cuz the truth is too much to handle or the system is too powerful and they get defeated, but then they manage to pull through anyways and maybe succeed?

[@asasn8or]

You know Handsome Jack could technically fall under this classification

[@divineclaypuppet7460]

Something I really like about the "becoming God" trope is the exemple used in the comic "*Kill 6 Billion Demons*" (spoilers for it) : The protagonist, Allison, finds herself speaking with Jadis, one of the 7 Demiurge (god-like beings who know parts of the Creator's true name and draw their powers from it). Jadis is a former word-bearer, of the word "Mind", and now bears the word "Shape". And her thing is that she is fully omniscient. When Allison asks her why she didn't act when she could have, to change the course of the events (which have gone very badly at this point) Jadis shows her the whole of what *she* sees. Litteraly Everything, Everywhen, Everywhere, and it breaks the page format of the comic - along with practically boiling her eyes for a single glance. Afterwards, when Jadis asks Allison "So, what did you see?" Allison's answer is "Nothing". And that if you know All, you cannot change a single thing, since it will be as you know it to be. It's not just future vision.

[@barreto5945]

great video

[@DetectDpadTV]

thank you for taking the time to watch!

[@ScourgeAmaris]

A little bit of a missed opportunity not bringing up Warhammer 40k, it takes the messiah approach similar to this but to the extreme. With the god emperor a man who once wanted humanity to live comfortably in the stars now watching humanity worship him like a god and marching to war in his name while all he can do is watch. Killing anyone who isn't human or worships him too. Edit: Fixes

[@DetectDpadTV]

interesting! i've always been enamored with the world of 40k, but never found a proper entry point into the universe.

[@emmanuelboakye1124]

Great video

[@DetectDpadTV]

thank you so much for watching!!!

[@fenrirsilver6441]

Personally, my absolute favorite Dark Fantasy storyline are the characters who are completely out of their depth, sort of like Guts from Berserk, Subaru from Re:Zero, Jezel da Luthar from First Law, The Wolf from Sekiro, or Artorias from Dark Souls... There is a little bit of overlap with the story of "the boy who became god" trope you propose, but there is one fundamental difference, instead of becoming god, they refuse the power and stay human when given the chance. Some of the characters from that list fail, some may succeed, and all of them struggle to try. I would say that both Jezel and Artorias do in fact fail, while Guts(although if the current writers behind it follow the will of Miura, there will be a "good" ending) and Subaru is to be seen, and The Wolf form Sekiro purely depends on the ending you get on if you can consider him a failure or a success in this department. There is a sort of defiance of Fate that makes these kinds of characters Tragic, which brings the more darker elements in.

[@Zakaria-qy5sm]

Do people have suggestions for more stories like this ?

[@0ptimuscrime]

Great video, I can’t believe I didn’t think “hey GRRM probably thought of Dune while figuring out Bran’s plot”

[@Nightfort22]

Finally someone pointed this out lol. Me & many others believe the ending to AOT got changed & had a more darker ending. George Lucas can’t talk about being inspired by DUNE because he will get sued for copyright. I wonder if AOT got changed for the same thing because of the clear connection between Eren and Paul. And if you wanna keep going, it could be the same thing with GRRM because of Paul & Bran. Might have a copyright issue for the ending and is struggling.

[@TheExpressionless1]

You should look into Texhnolyze if you want dark fiction with a seer

[@anshelman]

Sometimes the algorithm does its job incredibly, and recommends videos like yours. Glad to have stumbled upon it, great video!

[@DetectDpadTV]

Thank you so so much for taking the time to watch 🥹

[@devkrat]

banger vid, just make the video slower and longer and go into greater detail as these characters are mostly very well written and can be looked into a whole lot more. Also that will increase watchtime and help your channel.

[@DetectDpadTV]

Thank you so much for watching! Honestly I’ve always been intimidated by writing longer videos, but it’s something i’m working on 😂

[@devkrat]

@@DetectDpadTV good luck!

[@sinfall5280]

Satan was once an angel of light

[@mr_0n10n5]

Evangelion (surprisingly) is the only one I know where the protagonist (Shinji, in the + timelines) uses the power to actually save

[@DetectDpadTV]

Cant live without the trust from those you love! 😌❤️

[@robotputty]

Dont forget the OG story with this device: Macbeth!

[@Tengaii]

The better kind

[@ninjaoffcialyt4845]

i think people have had enough of fantasy and now they want to see nahilistic and believable stories thus such shows such as aot got and now DUNE Are gain so much popularity cause they are good and they have a good story with actual heart behind it

[@scaledsilver]

damn blud literally me

[@bigboypal]

Me in 2027 watching Paul Atreides reveal that he only ever started the Jihad so that his friends could live happily ever after as heroes for killing him, that all that really potent stuff about the golden path for humanity was just a farce he never cared about, and that he is deep down a whiny man driven by his repressed romantic desire for his sister. Also Chani's children were fathered by some random fremen farmer.

[@superdixk0446]

quick little critique, slow down a bit

[@Ja-lc4yd]

Are you the same guy from retrogamingnow

[@diosnelfrica590]

Deni Villanueve must direct AOT live action

[@metal_fusion]

Let's not jump to that bandwagon. Because the last time that happened, we all threw a justified fit about it.

[@jerhom2787]

Iirc aot did end, with all the main cast, bar eren, living out their lives peacefully, always headcannoned that eren killed them all and regrets it, like how when paul Spoilers for dune In the books, kills the emperor regrets that no matter what he does the jihad comes because him claiming the throne causes the universal holy war to happen anyway and a war at a universal scale is a war of infinite scale. So i headcannoned, the rumbling must happen so paradis doesnt get bombed and eren kills his friends, lives in loneliness in the brave new peace he has made with the blood of millions More fitting to the whole child come god theme than the official ending

[@AM17titan]

Headcannoned ? lol In the end eren literally talked to every single of them🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ikengaspirit3063]

Dune most likely didn't inspire AoT. They are similar but Muv-Luv. And Muv-Luv inspiration itself is more multiverse stuff so, not dune inherited. They just converged on the same good idea.

[@LaerHeiSeiRyuu]

No lol

[@ikengaspirit3063]

@@LaerHeiSeiRyuu Isayama literally said himself that that was his inspirtation. He's never even mentioned dune.

[@ldariusd21]

@ 4:37 did you really call him Gon not Eren

[@DetectDpadTV]

"gone is the loud obnoxious teen" 😂 love hunter x hunter though!

[@de.l.uxe_kiddo]

Macbeth

[@The_Reviewist]

Slightly odd take on Eren’s arc. As the finale has him explain to Armin that he did explicitly EVERYTHING to protect Armin and Mikasa. He’s also fully aware that he’s an angry idiot, and this is the best he could come up with to protect them.

[@splitirisbear4589]

5:02 I wouldn't know. Eren did the right thing.

[@RockByTheRiver]

W h a t

[@ralletrain3031]

It's religion he hates religion written into fantasy.

[@superdixk0446]

im to say

[@ErenDenizMert]

Great video but Eren didnt do any of it for revenge

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

It's nice to see that you understand Eren perfectly and this is one of the things I love about Attack on Titan, Eren was always a crazy little psycho and the story stayed true to that. I also remember back when I first watched season 3, at the time I was reading the Dune novels and Eren by the end of that season reminded me of Paul. Dune and AoT are very much alike, cautionary tales, which explains why I love both these stories so much.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

I really don't get how Dune can be a cautionary tale when the rise of the Atreides is needed to save the human race.

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

@@ikengaspirit3063 You misunderstand one of the fundamental points of the series, it is a cautionary tale about charismatic leaders & the uses of power. Paul wasn't born to save the human race, others within the Bene Gesserit breeding programme could've become like him, he was meant to be used to control humanity and guide them down a path the sisterhood found desirable. Paul doesn't save the human race, his ascension destroys much of it. Leto II and his golden path ultimately benefits humanity in the long run, but it isn't like he was destined to do that, he just chose to, and oppressed humanity for over 3,500 to achieve it. The aftermath of his death caused the famine times, killing billions more. These are not heroes, these are not good people, whatever aims and goals they had ultimately led to pain and suffering on an immense scale. Don't be so simplistic in your view of this series, you're missing a great deal of the point if you see it that way.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

@@princeprocrastinate6485 And if Leto II didn't do what he did, Humanity would have been extinct soon after. Paul may not have been a divine messiah and pretty close to Eren in that respect but his actions saved humanity, that's a fact. If Leto II wasn't there Humanity would have died out.

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

@@ikengaspirit3063 Yes so we are led to believe by Leto. None of this undermines the fact that the story of Dune is ultimately a cautionary tale in many respects.

[@euclidesribeiro8810]

Dune is one of those examples of an author trying to make a point, making the opposite point, then trying to fix it, and consolidating the point they did not intend to make. Eren is a more controversial character, Paul isn't. Paul is not a false messiah because he betrayed his followers into the bloodshed of a cosmic jihad, but because he saw what was necessary for the Golden Path, and was afraid of doing it, and too selfish to put the many before his own interests, so, he goes for the middle ground of doing the bare minimum in the direction of the Golden Path, so that he could optimize Shani's life. He is cowardly, and pushes the responsibility, and the whole weight of a sacrifice he knows should have been his, to his son, who then does what is necessary, does the value calculation, and optimizes history in favor of humanity, sacrificing everything of personal value to do it. So, in short, Dune succeeds in a way because Herbert failed, it cannot be a cautionary tale against charismatic leadership and religious figures, because, in the setting he created, the Golden Path is objectively true, humanity would have gone extinct without it. The "religion for the masses" version of the narrative the Bene Gesserit concoct for people outside their group may be partially false and manipulative, but they have a narrative of their own they believe in which is no less religious, and their eugenics project is objectively successful, their superman does lead humanity into a better future at a great cost, and he is objectively superhuman. I am very curious about how Villeneuve will deal with Dune's Messiah and Children of Dune, because, by then, the "naive" moral of the story is becomes progressively harder to uphold with what readers are given with the story itself. Attack on Titan does this much better, I think, in that Eren does essentially fail his mission (which was impossible to begin with), and did nothing more than just turn the Wheel one extra turn, he solves no human existential problems, and him sacrificing the many he doesn't carre so much about to save the few he does care more about, is more controversial than the Golden Path, which is essentially a lot of temporary human suffering and death in a scale never seen before... that is objectively necessary to prevent total human extinction for the foreseeable future (and Leto II sees very far into the future)

[@AHelpfulCrow-if7nl]

A story you believe in is a myth

[@EthanNuuu]

one thing is that by the end of the story Eren didn't have revenge at the forefront of his mind, he was trying to find another way until the end. Ultimately he couldn't accept an end where he left things up to chance, he had 4 years left to live. This is not excusing Eren at all because he is the one that started the omnicide, but revenge was NOT his motivation at the very end. To his knowledge Marley was going to wage war on Paradis after all the peace talks fell through. Erens should NEVER be the way, but in the end Eren created peace for thousands of years by balancing the power of the world. In the real world a solution like this is obviously pure evil, but as this is fiction we can discuss it.

[@axolotl1777]

Thousands of years? The island got bombed some years after he died

[@EthanNuuu]

@@axolotl1777 it was clearly 1000+ years if you watched it, look at whats being built in the timelapse. Its far more advanced than the real world.

[@chengxiaoshi3461]

did u watch attack on titan? Or did u read a synopsis

[@pavlemarjanovic1896]

Dune is a cautionary tail of Messiahs figures and charismatic leaders. You shouldn't blindly follow leaders and you should strive to think for yourself. At least thats from what i hot from the book. Probably going read it again, tho.

[@EmmanuelIraola-gz2uo]

Fucking nihilism. I'm getting sick of it. And i see why Tolkien, who fought in what was almost hell on earth hate it too.

[@anon9060]

Eren is actually plagerised from Erekose, the protagonist from The Eternal Champion, not Paul from Dune.

[@DetectDpadTV]

Wow...did some research on this book series after reading your comment earlier today.... Haven't read it so i cant say plagiarism, but man these comparisons are INSANELY similar. Will definitley have to give this series a read!

[@Atticus_Moore]

okay right out of the gate you miss me lol. stories where boy gets all the power or however you want to phrase it have existed and been popular all over the world for the past 100 years lol. probably even further back in time as well. its really annoying that people are pointing this out as if its some special phenomenon or even worse go so far as to say authoritarianism is correct and democracy is dying because dune proves that authoritarianism is better. not that you are saying that i haven't finished your video but others are saying that and its so ridiculously absurd.

[@damnimreally1604]

Great vid man, SUBBED, hope it blows

[@DetectDpadTV]

Means an absolute ton to me, thank you!

[@damnimreally1604]

@@DetectDpadTV ofc! Boutta show my Dad cuz he’s super into GOT and Dune but couldn’t get past season 1 of AOT, might have to skip around the spoilers tho lol. Keep Uploading !!!!

[@stur3366]

I think you missed the entire point of erens story. He genuinely did not want to do what he did, he spent 4 years trying to find a way to avoid the future he saw. He even beged hange to tell him another way and she had nothing. Eren was literally backed into a corner, his people either get genocided or he commits genocide. People always say they're could have been another way, but there never was. Eren was trapped just like paul. But then the ending just says no, he was an idiot with power. Fuck that ending.

[@dlbhbr3000]

Keep in mind that Paul's story isn't finished in the movies. The second book, Dune Messiah, is still to be adapted by Denis. In it, the parallels don't stop. Although the outcome is very different. If you were disappointed by AoT's ending, i'd strongly advise you to read the Dune novels.

[@samarjeetbhonsle6000]

Multiple things can be true at the same time Him wanting to level the outside world is his deep rooted want. Protecting Paradis from genocide became the excuse for him to carry out the Rumbling fully instead of a partial Rumbling.

[@mymealias]

This is what I disagree with ... Eren was more than just a dimwitted hothead with Power longing for revenge. He did what he set out to: save humanity WITHIN Paradis. He saw multiple futures and he had a choice to either runaway with Mikasa and let Paradis fall as the world unites against them OR strike first. In the end he and Ynir saved their people for a little while longer.

[@aekaralagonisi]

At no point in the story are branching future storylines mentioned. Eren just got given a nuclear apocalypse button and made up an excuse to press it. He literally admitted it in the final chapter.

[@loganshalloe5927]

He absolutely did not see multiple futures

[@TienNguyen-ky4dx]

He had no choice. His fate has already determined the moment his mother killed. Him living with Mikasa is nothing but her illusion

[@AM17titan]

Where is it said he had seen multiple futures ? 😂😂 Don’t make things up

[@AM17titan]

@@TienNguyen-ky4dxexactly eren himself made that reality for her

[@Dhrazor]

I think you completely missed the point of AoT's ending... Eren does what he does to protects his friends, that's it... yes, he is a selfish mass murderer, but everything he does is for the sake of giving his few remaining friends "peaceful and long lives". He is even willing to become a stupid/rabid dog in the eyes of his friends if it means he can stave off the burden of being the reason for this genocide. But Armin denies him that, he doesn't agree when Eren asks him that he must be an idiot for being unable to find another way. Instead he wants to share the burden, because he understands that everything Eren did was for their sake. Also, Eren clearly isn't acting in revenge, when facing Rainer during the play he states it clearly that he has no intention of taking revenge, because they are the same, and he doesn't, both Reiner and Annie survive and live long lives... If anything, he should take revenge on himself for killing his own mother... For me the greatest flaw the ending has is that it kind of makes Eren a non-character, a force of nature that lacks authority, if he is indeed lacking any kind of free will and is bound to play out the future as it is written, but maybe that's just another lie, so that his friends can accept his "choice" of sacrificing everything for their sake, and take it as something inevitable... People seem to be able to accept horrible things if you convince them they were inevitable.

[@AM17titan]

Not everything what eren did was for his friends I think you completely missed one portion of armin’s dialogue in the last conversation with eren Armin literally says that ‘you did all these atrocities and you are telling you did it for our sakes?’ We are then shown baby eren hearing words from Grisha ‘you are free’ Eren replies to armin ‘No I did all these but still Sasha and Hange died because of me I WANTED TO SEE THIS SIGHT ‘

[@Dhrazor]

@@AM17titan As I see it, he said that in an attempt to bear all the sins they committed, yes at some point wanted to see that but he wanted other things more than that. Eren wanted to take all the blame and was desperately searching for a reason so that his friends could live free. Free of guilt. But Armin didn't let him, he didn't agree that Eren is just an idiot, he took the blame for implanting the idea of a free world, he took the blame for telling Eren that "Someone who can't sacrifice anything, can never change anything! In order to overcome a monster, you must be willing to throw aside your humanity. " He was the one who kept pushing Eren. Maybe Eren would have never became the monster without Armin pushing him. Everybody kept pushing him, he had to become savior. He had to become a monster, not by his own choice, but by the people he loved, the same way Erwin was pushed to become "a Devil". They were all at fault. But Eren didn't wanted to say that. Also when Eren says that: "This is FREEDOM" he is literally "crazy" at that point, he is not an idiot, but he probably lost his sanity. When he says he wanted to see that sight, I think the same crazy is talking, he is just justifying his actions. Also, in the Manga Armin literally thanks him for killing 80% of humanity for their sake... the anime just makes it a bit more ambiguous. Eren numerous times was willing to die for his friends discarding everything, he didn't care for seeing anything, he wanted freedom, but not for himself, because although he was told again and again that he was free, the truth is that he was never free and could never be free, from the moment he is born he was doomed to die early. He was always a prisoner of his ability to see the future and he chose to set himself free, by making Mikasa end him together with "this cursed history". He was the Moses of this story who had to die without ever reaching "Paradise" or "Freedom". Eren only became "free" when Mikasa killed him... He was not shown the deaths of Sasha and Hange and according to him even if he did see it he couldn't have changed it. We will never know if he was manipulated by Ymir or a future self that "didn't even exist" because maybe that future self could actually see and change the course of history thereby changing it and erasing itself in the process. Maybe the Future self from "Akatsuki no Requiem" song chose to manipulate past Eren to bring about the reality we saw in the Anime and erase the reality where the only scout left alive after the war was Eren Jaeger...

[@AM17titan]

@@Dhrazor there is no akatsuki no requiem type shit and no ymir didn’t manipulated him Because eren literally says to armin ‘I WANTED TO SEE THIS SIGHT ‘ In a sort of way he is glad that he got to see the sight that is not what someone would tell if he is manipulated to do something which he doesn’t want When he said he tried different scenarios to armin I think he is lying and at the same time not lying You can see he isn’t even talking eye to eye to armin at that moment In a way when he had seen future memories when he kissed historia He saw the freedom scene of his child self That is why in the end freedom scene He literally says ‘finally we have reached it ‘ And when during zeke and eren conversation in the paths after when eren manipulated Grisha and stuff Eren says ‘what a sight it was’ basically referring to the freedom scene sight I agree with what you said about eren himself calling idiot and also that part where mikasa ended him But I think you are completely wrong when you said that eren didn’t cared about seeing anything Let’s look at the dynamic between eren and Reiner Where EREN HIMSELF SAYS HE IS SAME LIKE HIM To understand this we have to look at the conversation in s4 ep5 (declaration of war) Basically in the end when Reiner sat down at eren’s feet and literally confessed The conversation went like this Eren: ‘You did this to save the world From island devils ?’ Reiner’s response: ‘ NO EREN YOU ARE WRONG I DID SO THAT I COULD BE PROUD MARLEYAN SO THAT I COULD GAIN RESPECT ‘ eren then says : ‘I knew it I am the same as you Reiner ‘ Now he says all this and you telling that he literally didn’t cared about seeing anything ? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Dhrazor]

@@AM17titan Seeing things was Armins thing... Erens thing was "Freedom"(but in general, not necessarily his freedom). Reiner saying that makes him a selfish person. Instead of saving the world he wants fame. I think Eren was selfish, he didn't save the Eldians, he saved ~10 friends of his and doomed the future of Eldia just so his friends could live out their lives in peace. They were the same. Selfish and disregarded the future of the majority for their own needs. ...He saw the things he wanted, and what did he achieve by seeing it, he could show it to Armin? Yes he wanted to see an empty world as a child, yes he was disappointed in the world, but again I don't think he killed 80% of humanity just to see that sight... Was that part of the reason? Maybe, but he didn't follow through making an empty world as he originally imagined, unlike Reiner he was capable, he could have robbed his friends of their powers, he could have erased everything, even be alone in a world and live "free", but he didn't do that, he could have become a god, but he didn't do that, he equalized the playing field and did his best to bear everybody's sins and died... he did see that sight, but he didn't fight the world to see that, "seeing that sight" was just a side-effect of giving people the thing he could never attain: Freedom to choose their own path forward. Also I think the whole "Seeing that sight" was kind of just a proof for him that he reached the end of his journey. The moment he "saw that sight" his fate was sealed because he did what he "had to", he was the Devil of all earth on his way to be slain by Mikasa and attaining the "Freedom" he sought... So no, I don't think Eren killed a few billion people just to see an empty world for 15 seconds and just die but purely by blind luck managed to concoct a world where Eldia and the Outside world end up in a Cold War where both sides are afraid of starting a war thus helping his friend to live long and peaceful lives... how lucky would that be, right?

[@AM17titan]

@@Dhrazor hmm right

[@ivansmirnoff6987]

I honestly think Eren may be my least favorite exploration of this idea, but I've written out my thoughts so many times I don't think I can bring myself to do so again. Ultimately, while Dune is extremely committed to analyzing the themes it lays out and exploring them as deeply as possible, I feel like Attack on Titan is somewhat confused in what it wants to say, or what it wants to do with these themes. Isayama is a very unreliable source in interviews, having given some conflicting statements, but he has said that he's changed the ending multiple times and I feel like this is somewhat clear. Ultimately, the only theme that it feels like I'm left with is that ultimate power shouldn't go to the wrong person, which, yeah...no shit. I feel like Paul is the far superior exploration and feels far more sympathetic, as he learned what path was necessary, but ultimately failed to see it through as he was unable to live with the overbearing guilt of all the suffering he would have to unleash upon humanity to follow the Golden Path. Meanwhile, Attack on Titan can't seem to make up its mind on whether the Rumbling was necessary to save Paradis, or if Eren was just an idiot unleashing his rage upon the world and there were far better options he simply ignored. Funnily enough, I actually feel like Ymir is the far more interesting exploration of what happens when a child is given the power of a god, at least, until it was revealed that she only did everything out of love for the Old King Fritz.

[@user-yw8bu7sv9x]

While I definitely believe the ending to AoT and the treatment to Eren is stupid and bad writing, you made me see things in a different light. I seen him as a hero, a savior for his people who was willing to do anything to ensure their peace from the oppression of others, it kinda makes sense that he was just a psychopath the ability to do the hell he wanted, which was killing. I mean hell, the signs of Eren's psychopathy was when he just a little boy. When those bandits was trying to sell Mikasa, Eren saved her but the way he did it was definitely not normal for a child his age. He killed those men in a such brutal way (of course they deserved it but still). Wow, Eren was just born like this, just look at his brother. When Zeke was his age, he was nothing but a kind and innocent boy but he became what he was due to Grisha's aggression ideologies instilled in his mind. When it came to Eren, Grisha always tried to avoid talking about such things because of his mistakes made with Zeke. Nevertheless, Eren was just so hostile and aggressive and it only got worse when his mother dead and all things went downhill from that. Good vid 👍

[@DetectDpadTV]

Thank you so much for watching!

[@dogemaester]

You're literally spoiling 4 seasons of Attack on Titan BEFORE your spoiler warning.

[@DetectDpadTV]

hey, really sorry about that, i see i did have some images/clips from the later stuff before the warning. Hope i didnt spoil anything for you if you havent seen it

[@avatargrimes]

Eren initiated the rumbling because it was the only way to save as many people as he can. He went through every possible scenario always looking to the end. Had he stood by and did nothing, all his friends would have died.

[@user-bq6vh4xd1m]

Eren ending was garbage+you understand nothing about aot

[@samarjeetbhonsle6000]

illiterate

[@beachmaster3486]

Had Eren completed the rumbling he would have saved his people. Since there are still people alive outside of the Eldians they will always be a threat.

[@ExpertContrarian]

“AoT refines” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@FlawyClips]

Yes, you're biased. AOT may be an animated series, an anime but this is no reason to refuse to acknowledge the writing prowess of the Isayama and how amazingly crafted his story was.

[@sreenivas6071]

Hating aot doesn't make you intelligent

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@FlawyClipsmay be an anime? You think I’m against anime? 😂😂😂 can you do anything better than a strawman?

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@sreenivas6071you relying on strawman does mean that you aren’t

[@eren__morwen5947]

The ending of aot is pure shit. Wait for aoe

[@cannonbyrd1755]

no

[@cannonbyrd1755]

@@user-oo8py9hj4q it really didn't but keep crying on titanfolk that people actually enjoy shit. And it didn't ruin eren character your just mad he didn't fuck history lmfao.

[@SuperZX49]

So basically Attack on Titan is a shitty Dune

[@samarjeetbhonsle6000]

nah both are great in their own way tackling similar storytelling methods for their MC's

[@Mykal06]

Repent and believe the gospel! Jesus died for our sins and rose 3 days later so we could be forgiven of our sins and be gifted with everlasting life! Put your faith in Him and follow Him! Life is short, think about this. Please make the right choice today!

[@aegonii8471]

Bro attack on titan is genuinely trash, like the speed at which the narrative collapses is even worse than game of thrones which was a matriculation over several seasons. I’m not even going to watch the rest of the video claiming aot’s ending refined game of thrones is blasphemy 3:57.

[@joaov.candido8399]

CHAD PAUL ATREIDES VS VIRGIN PIGEON EREHHHH JAEGER

[@primecreator5257]

You’re wrong about Eren. Meaning you misunderstood the whole story.

[@DetectDpadTV]

😔

[@tbumpy4035]

@@DetectDpadTV great video you got my sub

[@DetectDpadTV]

@@tbumpy4035 thank you so much!

[@gerdaleta]

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[@gerdaleta]

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[@gerdaleta]

😮 the real reason you're telling the story is because the story is happening in real life😮 this is the end times😮 the Kali Yuga😮 a time of indomitable warfare of such a greed a man will have to pay for water😮 in that time😮 I ubra the supreme god😮 will manifest myself😮 I will take human form😮 I will re-establish the Dharma😮 the human soul😮 I will have no mercy😮 I will be unrelenting😮 and I will utterly destroy my enemies😮 Revelations😮 and there will be wars rumors of wars😮 earthquakes😮 my throne will be in Zion😮 and every knee will bow and every face will look and you will know that I am your God😮 it does end hopefully you're making it unhelpful because the end of Revelations and the kaliyuga is the end of mankind from that point on humanity we are gods😮 the frail human flesh didn't make it it burns away😮 your soul that is what you will use to traverse the Stars😮 it's not un hopeful it's incomprehensible to humans😮 it's a place where you no longer exist😮