The Best Ergo Mice in 2023- Razer vs ZOWIE (SHOCKING)

[@caprisuon]

A slightly smaller, more medium sized version of the Dav3 while going all-in on the updating matte coating would put it at the very top for me

[@OgSwisszyed]

but it gonna need an even hump tbh if not it kinda weird for claw and too short* for palm

[@tigorski]

Ec2 size the best fit at least for me, if they make 50 gram ec2 clone, that will be my end game (using pwnage ultra custom wired now)

[@andi1Val]

same

[@freddykairos]

Literally the Xlite v2 mini

[@flouse.]

@@freddykairosthe xlite mini is smaller, has holes, visible pcb, and less grippy coating. I have both the xlite v2 and mini and while they are both great mice, the deathadder is the overall better feeling mouse

[@toastymctoastinson]

zowie is the mouse embodiment of a cs player, they both never truly change only develop bit by bit over time but still keep all of the core principles. oh yeah and they’re both stubborn and hate change.

[@pendrive4real]

they also dont like the new shinyer kid

[@NY-Vice]

@@pendrive4real valorant spelling

[@pendrive4real]

@@NY-Vice ye

[@l1ttl3h0rse]

idk about wireless zowie mice, but their ec-c series is pretty nice and I honestly (shocking) prefer zowie ec3-c over pulsar x2 mini

[@kaeroseon]

Makes sense. They were some of the first on the scene and developed together. But zowie's monitor side is doing pretty well with all the dyac stuff. It makes way more sense for the lack of change in CS than why zowie refuses to attempt a true lightweight wireless gaming mouse for the price that they are charging tho.

[@defu8592]

The ec2 cw was my first ever zowie mouse, and I used the DAv3 for many months when it first released, I even tried the faker. With that said, I really really enjoyed DAv3 you can definitely feel how much smoother of an input it has but unfortunately the 4k hz didn’t work for me in any game including valorant so I didn’t get to take advantage of it. But like techne I also had creaking happen from where the bottom and top shell met that just became so annoying and started to deteriorate that enjoyment of I spent 150+ 30 for a dongle. The shape was great though and the faker coating is really good and I hope they go with that coating on all their future mice! As for my experience with the ec2-cw the shape is just a bit different and smaller which just felt amazing, I also like to use it on my skypad which makes it feel much lighter. The coating feels much better imo than razers. I like the notchy scroll wheel for gaming cause it never accidentally actuates like most other mice including DAv3. I like the ec2 clicks but tbh I’d rather have optical cause they last longer and are more reliable but I’ve never used a mouse till it breaks so shouldn’t be an issue (hopefully). But yea as of now my opinion is id rather pay the same amount of money for a zowie, cause I don’t think there is really enough of a difference in performance in the practical sense, I also like having a charging dock and having the peace of mind knowing I’ll always have a strong mouse connection. I also like the look of the dock on my desk rather than a tiny little dongle. But both are top tier mice!

[@0pium17]

I have both these mice , I definitely prefer the zowie one. Deathadder to me feels like a brick on terms of in hand feel. Zowie is much more comfortable.

[@ColdToiletSeats]

everything Zowie is better

[@twistedfantasyy]

im the opposite. i own both mice and i find the dav3 more comfortable than the zowie. i perform a bit better on the zowie though because of the curve where i could press my left thumb. feel like i have better control.

[@raNo.7]

whats ur hand size ?

[@UniverseMON]

i have DAv3 pro and GPx superlight But now i main Zowie EC2-CW i never have a Zowie gears before this is my first mice it's so good idk i using it and my aim my feeling is better. i'm very happy with this one but the Problem is my hand is so sweaty my Zowie coating is bad. a matte coating is gone in 3 days and i can't clean it's but i still love it i think this is my best 2023 mice i bought

[@flashjor98]

Gotta redo this video once the xlite v3 and thorn come out

[@kzn_]

Been using zowie mice for over 2 years now. I have 20x10 hands and use the forbidden caveman grip, Zowie mice are one of the few that have sizes large enough for my hand and grip as well as the shapes being really comfortable for me alongside the coating and build quality being excellent. The ZA being my favorite shape and EC my second preferred. However, I recently bought a dav3 wired and even after using an EC-1 for 6 months the difference in size was not that bad and I'm really enjoying the lower weight as well as the specs that offers, wireless it is not a dealbreaker for me but I'm highly considering getting the wireless version of the dav3 as I'm enjoying this mouse quite a bit.

[@paulmartinez34]

I wish razer will make a dav3 mini wired 8khz

[@whenwillitbecold]

what the fuck is the forbidden caveman grip

[@yesyes_6655]

I use a zowie za13-c because it's honestly pretty light at 60 something grams, I got it pretty cheap used a bit less than a year ago, and the shape is amazing for claw. I don't mind the wire and I would never notice that it has a 3360 inside, so that stuff hasn't bothered me. When zowie release a wireless version I'm not even really sure I would want to pay $150 for it, the wire is already fine in a bungee.

[@DB-ty6tq]

If you wear a sleeve you can route the cable through the sleeve

[@yesyes_6655]

@@DB-ty6tq ah I never wear a sleeve on my mouse arm, I always at least roll up my sleeve if I'm wearing a hoodie or something. I've never heard that kind of suggestion before though, but honestly it sounds much more bothersome than using a bungee

[@paulmartinez34]

What’s your bungee? I use the camade 2 and ec3-c and i never felt the wire i’m using low sens in csgo

[@yesyes_6655]

@@paulmartinez34 I'm using the razer bungee v3 and yeah similar to you I almost never notice the wire. I'm also on low sens in csgo, 740 edpi

[@paulmartinez34]

Oh nice my edpi is higher than yours i use 880 edpi Sens 2.2 dpi 400

[@LogPile444]

Call me crazy, but I've never noticed an issue with any sensor I've used in the last 2 years. It's not been noticeable going from a 3370 to a 3395 for example. I have a lot to say about the zowie ergo shape, and won't dump it all here, but the weight of my EC1-CW is actually helpful for me - it takes away some of my shakiness, makes me feel smooth and overall is a buff to consistency. It's a hard sell in terms of value for money over the Razer DAV3, but I'm glad I bought the zowie and not the Dav3. The Zowie feels organic in its shape, the Razer feels less organic & more engineered.

[@fireflameft2964]

I thought a heavier mouse would help me with aiming but it just takes more effort for my tiny muscles to move around so it just makes it harder

[@LogPile444]

@fireflame ft There are so many variables to consider when choosing a mouse and I'm starting to think that the users strength should also be considered. Although it is possible you're trolling me 🤣 I spent a lot of my teens weight lifting (heavy) and have carried some of that strength into my 30s. 1 size does not fit all - especially in the mouse game 😬

[@fireflameft2964]

@@LogPile444 I've lifted in the past, but I'm your average dude nothing special in terms of strength or athletics but I doubt strength plays that much of a role, many pro players have spaghetti arms and barely any muscles mass and there they are at the top lol

[@heatnup]

@@LogPile444when you workout in the gym you aren’t making small movements with tiny muscles in your hands nor are you moving your hands in the same way. It’s way different. A lighter mouse will always allow you more control than a heavier mouse at the cost of more instability until you train those tiny muscles in your hand.

[@LogPile444]

@fireflame ft you make a VERY good point there. Do you think you would get used to the weight if you used a heavier mouse for a longer time? Or generally just prefer lighter? I actually perform better in aim trainers with light mice (29grams and 36grams) but perform more consistently in game with a heavier mouse. I am not 100% sure how to measure this though, so it could just be easier matchmaking?

[@LuckyMix]

not sure if you've seen the razer mouse leaks but brooooo, honestly so hype for the razer cobra

[@paulmartinez34]

I'm hype for the cobra wired but one things bothers me it uses the same sensor like on the og rvm wired. I just hope it doesn't have a high lod out of the box because the og rvm wired even if you set the lod on low it's still high and it doesn't to anything. But then again I hope there will be a high end wired version down the line

[@LuckyMix]

@@paulmartinez34 hmm yeah that does suck, I'll see reviews of what people think about it and then I'll decide to get it

[@senseofpermanence]

How does one even begin to describe being part of the Zowie cult? I think the biggest thing is consistency. Even between sizes it's a shape that is so locked in to the way you grip the mouse that you can go back to it reliably time and time again. They have top notch R&D when it comes to performance, EMI shielding, and they stuck with a 3370 because they tested the hell out of it for ages. A Zowie mouse just never lets you down, regardless of it not being the "best specs." Aside from Zowie, I mainly have used the X2 Mini recently, and Finalmouse UL2/Starlight Small for the longest time. For games that are more tactical shooters, Val or CSGO specifically, I just think Zowie has the edge when it comes to consistency.

[@UdoLattek02]

I did a lot of research on mice over the last two weeks and came to the conclusion that I would get either the dav3 or the ec2. Now I found your video. Still don't know which to buy, but at least I know my "research" was correct lol

[@exeverrr]

do you have a video on size? hand vs mouse.. or if you are planning to make one, I got a fairly small HyperX Pulsefire Haste atm and I just want something more ergo, but not too big, my old Deathadder Essential feels bigger than I would like, the Zowie kinda looks like go to atm with their choice of sizes

[@LshowKnows]

After spending countless years using mice for claw (Viper mini, Abyssus V2, Model O-, S2/C, XM1r, M800, X2 and X2 mini, Superlight) and performing well with them, specially the S2-C and Superlight I decieded I wanted to give Ergo a chance for a first time, so I got the EC2-C. After 7 months, I can say that altho I still pick my Superlight once in a while, I perform the best with the EC2. Idk why, but flicking, moving around and tapping with it just feel natural. But I miss having the freedom of a wireless mouse, so now I´m not sure if I wanna get an EC2W or a DAV3 Pro, kinda worried that the DAV3 might not feels as good in my hand.

[@catart2633]

I personally used the DAv3 for roughly 7-8months and recently just made the swap to the EC2 wireless, and i prefer the EC2 wireless way more due to its shape. If you're someone who thinks that shape is the most important, i would say get the zowie mouse, but if you're someone that doesn't want to miss out on the latest tech (4k polling rate, optical switches, better sensor, etc) i would say get the DA v3 pro, but in my experience i can't tell the difference in performance between the two other than it feels way more comfortable on the zowie mouse. Also one other thing to point out that during the time i was using my DA V3 pro was that the scroll wheel was way too sensitive, which caused me to jump by accident a lot in tac fps. (valo/csgo).

[@Jordy1707]

The deathadder is quite a lot larger than the ec2 I got wrist pains from aiming with it, the ec2 is much more comfortable for me but has worse tech. I would like Razer to release a medium sized version, the deathadder v3 is one of the biggest mice on the market which is frustrating for people who want a bit more mobility

[@LshowKnows]

@@Jordy1707 That´s what I was thinking, DAV3 could be even better if they made a slighlty smaller size, but I doubt that´s gonna happen. We still haven´t even gotten any new official news about the Viper Mini

[@paulmartinez34]

I wish there will be an s3-c

[@paulmartinez34]

There is a razer cobra and razer cobra pro it's a replacement for the og rvm

[@Kinbote4444]

I never had a Deathadder last more than a year. Always some type of issue developing with the clicks either not registering at all or double clicking. I kept sending them back to Amazon under warranty until I couldn't be bothered anymore and just gave up on the brand. For the type of person that just wants the bleeding edge tech and buys a new mouse every 2 months then sure Razer is fine, but for anyone else who wants their products to last as long as possible I would never touch a Deathadder again. The build quality and QC aren't on par with the price.

[@_DazedDragon]

I have had 2 razer mice so far and always had some form of issue with them whether its the double click issue or even my viper ultimate just not charging on the dock. Synapse as well is such a hassle when I use one mouse per computer. ZOWIE C1 so far has just eliminated all my headaches I couldn't face another razer mouse.

[@armada2483]

In addition to these two mice comparison is Glorious model D- Wireless any good? I mean price to performance wise it is so much better and apart from holes shape is pretty good and ergonomic i think

[@costy1795]

So i like to play CS, and i own Superlight, Dav3, EC3-CW, for me EC3 has the best shape, since i have a small-medium hand, but what i love about it is the clicks, they seem to be instant... for example whenever i do a reflex test with zowie i get about 165 ms, but with Dav/superlight 185+. The biggest drawback is the weight imo but you can get used to it. Also the build quality from zowie is excelent. Scroll wheel is kinda bad on zowie also the feets, i changed them after a month with corepads ...

[@DJaquithFL]

I've got all these mice and I always end up going back to my modded GPX Pro Superlight. If I'm running around like a crazy person with a Shotgun then I prefer my Razer Death Adder 2 (yeah 2) with glass Superglides.

[@BelaPuma]

Ok , you've literally told me nothing , glass on what surface

[@DJaquithFL]

@@BelaPuma .. Most people would know exactly what I was saying. Here's a more precise explanation: I have (2) two mouse pads I use a few hard PVC coated aluminum core pads and an Artisan FX Hien - XL. Shotguns on small maps e.g. Shipment (CoD MW2) you have to aim extremely fast so I prefer glass Superglides skates and for most other engagements I need more accuracy so the Esports Tiger ICE skates. Personally I'm not a fan of glass mouse pads, but to each their own. I have basically every "good" mouse there is on the market. Most Pros use a modded Logitech GPX Pro Superlight. My GPX has the aforementioned Esports Tiger ICE skates, an aftermarket hot-swappable PCB (Fac Fox) with a TTC Gold encoder and TTC Dustproof Gold 30M but the 50M are also good that IO ordered from mouseclub.

[@BelaPuma]

@DJaquithFL so you use glass on the hien? Also waht hardness lvl is the hien

[@DJaquithFL]

@@BelaPuma .. First I'm a Chemical Engineer and I'm not using a "glass mouse pad," the Artisan FX Hien is made out of a polyester blend, but I believe some Artisan mouse pads like their Artisan Shidenkai have a "glass coating" and I would not recommend with any glass skates. So the Mohs hardness (Hm) on a polyester cloth mouse pad and the Superglide glass (appears to be tempered glass) skates (probably 5-6 Hm) are not a problem, -not- nor are the glass skates on the PVC (polyvinyl chloride) covered mouse pads.

[@BelaPuma]

@DJaquithFL hmm... tho pvc would be more something like 4 would it not , so i never considered them bcuz of scratches

[@abbyabz6940]

I found the Dav3 is too big and that side creek where your thumbs rests was a pain. I prefer the ec2-c shape have tried the CW yet but Zowie are king of shapes and build quality's.

[@YUM0N]

5:09 ...im feeling called out now.

[@muqeetwali6790]

Boardzy pls review the ajazz aj199

[@egaming2023]

sounds like this might change soon with the pwnage stormbreaker

[@byankko]

should i buy DA V3 now or wait for Xlite v3 to release? pls i need help

[@Woot30]

Not gonna lie, I enjoy the Waizowl OGM Pro more than both of these mice, and I got it for 60 bucks on sale in max gaming.

[@boardzy]

Thats a crazy price, if it was lighter I might prefer it but still really solid

[@Woot30]

@@boardzy Yeah I use the Venus Pro so it’s kind of on the faster side so it compliments it well. I don’t think I can use it on a slower pad

[@RayCrush2008]

The QC on the DAV3 is way too out of hand at least in europe, had to go back to my superlight after they replaced 3 of my DAVs.

[@ratmaster69420]

I am truly shocked. My mouth is gaping and streaming a pool of my own saliva.

[@D4VIEES]

Mr Boardzy, would you agree IF, and only IF, Logitech released a G703 SL, would you prefer it to the DAV3? (In terms of shape)

[@njutarn8381]

oh yes i did 2 scout ace's in inferno with that mouse

[@BOUNCEVALORANT]

Did you order a BenjyFishy gamesense radar?

[@midnightperfectworld]

Which mousepad is he using (the orange one)?

[@sagivovadia588]

Well here is the funny part I got dhv3 first and it was way too big for me and something about the zowie shape with ec3 on the left side made me feel like it’s better for me and further, the clicks are way more snappy for me with ec3

[@paulmartinez34]

I have the EC3-C and it's so good I'm just waiting for razer to make a dav3 mini wired 8khz

[@sagivovadia588]

@@paulmartinez34 I feel you. But I’m not into 4K -8khz that much I kinda want to see where this technology is going and then decide to buy or not

[@paulmartinez34]

True

[@pedrogurgel7822]

I had dav3 faker its good but there is battery problem with a lot of units

[@zlibz4582]

zowie should improvise on their mouse feet and sensor and just lower the damn price coz its too much for a casual gamer , razer needs to release viper mini wireless with 4k hz , orochi v3 with optical switches , mouse bungee v4 and include 2 pairs of extra mouse feet in their package coz we buy these super expensive mice to last for years and then find out the feet have been ruined and we cant use the mouse anymore and the chinese websites are notorious with shipping and availability , zowie provides an extra pair in their box razer should also do it

[@Dew4lk]

Only thing i don't like about Razer is their general quality of their products, all mice and headsets i had from them had subpar quality and squeaking plastic compared to other brands.

[@noahh6032]

Shape and coating is everything. Disregard everything else

[@Brandon-ov6by]

Boardzy have you heard of the razer cobra update?

[@boardzy]

Ya not sure what to think

[@paulmartinez34]

Imo I wish razer will make a high end wired version of cobra wired. Because the wired cobra is still using the same sensor on the og rvm.

[@JustBrandy]

does the faker editon have scroll wheel issue? (mouse jumping), please any leads would be helpful as i am getting one soon.

[@boardzy]

Not for me but neither did the other unit

[@Mouthbreather777]

I have a regular dav3 and the faker one. My regular one def had the scroll wheel jump issue for sure but the faker one doesn't. The scroll wheel on faker feels a LOT better by being less mushy

[@JustBrandy]

@@Mouthbreather777 thanks alot for the info will get one now

[@poetiixz]

wish they made the dave3 in a smaller version, so far zowie ec3-c shape is unmatched for me even if it's heavier. The stock mouse feet are trash tho.

[@paulmartinez34]

I would love to see a dav3 mini wired 8khz and similar dimensions to xlite mini or the same dimension

[@paulmartinez34]

Btw I also have EC3-C wired and I like it

[@K0TA.]

4k polling rate is a gimmick.

[@droogbear649]

A lot of cs players value stability in mice. Some even like the heavier denser feel. I love zowie but also will use a gpro ultralight. I love how zowie and vaxee dont add frills or chase lightweight.

[@paulmartinez34]

Agree I love zowie and vaxee but vaxee they're planning to make their next mouse to be lightweight

[@paramedic4176]

Ive found it better to aim with the DA v3 as I can throw it around more confidently. Something about the shape just feels more secure in my hands. Also, the large zowie mouse feet always seem to end up being swampy, even after buying hyperglides. The DA v3 still glides fast.

[@pav1u]

construction wise, Zowie is number 1, built like a tank and reliable for years of abuse.

[@brandon9292]

This shocked me

[@BazonBTW]

Imagine letting a mouse tell you how to hold it. 🤮🤮🤮

[@ACE112ACE112]

I thought people liked the shape of zowie mice

[@KGR_r]

As a cs go player I will buy this mouse

[@lalremchhungi6414]

What is that mousepad bro

[@bertacharm]

I love the orange zero its such a nice color

[@SonNguyen-oo1ni]

I love zowie

[@sveetea]

👀

[@r00fus_d00fus]

Zowie scroll wheels are absolute trash and a reason to completely avoid them

[@paulmartinez34]

I like their scroll wheel also on the vaxee wired mice too

[@nolanthomas2081]

It's not about the sensor - it's about the implementation. Zowie is king

[@nose16]

Didn't say shocking so i didn't click on the video

[@boardzy]

Fixed

[@nose16]

​@@boardzythank you i have successfully clicked on the video now

[@IronStar343]

g703 still king of ergo.

[@yeysbaws]

The clicks? They are using Huano switch, so that means that ZOWIE fanboys are cheap? SHOCKING

[@underh1gh]

been using both for 3-4 month, if someone used ec2 in past, just go for ec2w. shape is totally worth every weight disadvantage

[@whenwillitbecold]

what if i didnt use a ec2 in the past?

[@kvgamez2116]

Bought the EC3CW a month ago, first Zowie mice. I’m never swapping off it again. I own the FM starlight LL small, Atlantis mini, x2 mini etc.

[@paulmartinez34]

My first zowie mouse is the EC3-C wired

[@Komotion98]

The ec1-cw is a goat shape for me and it is the only mouse that truly feels good in my hand. I wish they would release a lighter one with more up to date specs. The dav3 also feels really good, but it is just slightly too small. Wish that the prices weren't so crazy on these large ergo shapes

[@dddripz]

monkey balls

[@awhat4804]

yeah, 70g or less would be amazing, 80g feels like a brick compared to dav3

[@dddripz]

@@awhat4804 thick elephant balls

[@BlindBison]

The DA V3 not rounding the corners under the clicks (top right) is what killed it for me personally. The Zowie shape is just slightly better imo though I do not like Zowie coatings/shell material at all. If they released an EC2L (EC1.5?) in between the 1 and 2 in size and updated their shell material and coating that would be the end game for me. Razer needs to sort out their QC issues with the DA V3 and also what is with them and harsh edges? I imagine Bordzy doesn’t run into the edges under the clicks as a problem due to not palming?

[@awhat4804]

@@BlindBison Same for me! The side of the top right just sticks out and makes the shape not easy to hold

[@TophatOrange]

Got both now, ec1 cw is now my main, shape is incredible, da3 had this click at one pint when push slightly in the plastic under the side buttons, where the thumb is placed, (they sent me a new one) and i love it also, but what i dont like is the "chalky" feeling of the mouse like you mentioned, have to warm op my hand to get a grip. also the hunch at the back of the ec1 fits my hand better. (20 x 11)

[@bwcswn]

Same, love the ec1cw

[@ChunVuong]

I got the Viper V2 Pro (with 4k dongle) and EC2-CW and here's my thoughts: - The ergo shape of the ergonomic mice feel so good when compared with ambidextrous mice. - The 4k dongle I personally can not feel any difference (I did try a lot) and the battery drain was so brutal. The fear of your battery running out/having to check Razer Synapse regularly is a really irritating in my opinion. If somehow 4k is a stock option and battery life isn't that bad I would go with 4k. - The charging dock with EC2-CW is just a crazy QoL to me. In the end, I'm not a professional gamer in any way so having the ability to live care-free about my mouse's battery is enough to top other mice off the chart when comparing with Zowie. ***Update: I'm now using the Razer V3 Pro, Pwnage Stormbreaker and Zowie U2. All 3 of them are just really good and nothing to complaint about.

[@lor7780]

So wait, you are saying that the zowie has better battery life rigfht?

[@ChunVuong]

@@lor7780 Hey Lor hope you are doing well. I can't for sure confirm that the battery life is better on any device. However, considering how convenient the charging dock is, I never forget to put them on charge after 2-3 days of usage. Another point to note is that Zowie mice always come with 1k polling, whichever mice nowadays will have insane battery performance with such low polling rate.

[@lor7780]

@@ChunVuong thanks! My main concern is probably the build quality, i was looking also at the pulsar xlite v3 and the vaxee outset ax, they have 4k polling rate but idk if it's just a marketing gimmick

[@ChunVuong]

@@lor7780 unfortunately I haven't tried any of those mice you mentioned. I do think any mouse will have decent quality if it was released this year. I did try the GPX2 which did creaking when I hard pressed it but that was covered by most KOL on YTB so you can refer to few videos to get your needed information.

[@ChunVuong]

@@lor7780 I am trying out 8k polling of the Razer V3 Pro. To be fair, if you have the prerequisite checked (at least 360hz monitor and a pc capable of dishing out enough performance), there is a minor difference, which is smoother. However, differences don't translate to skill improvement, so keep that in mind tho.

[@FutureCanSnipe]

The curved corners on the zowie mice are the main reason they have the superior shape. It's also the reason the DAV3 is so uncomfortable for me but I think I'm gonna try to layer some grip tape over the corner and see if that makes it more comfortable.

[@hampustornros]

yep, I grip the EC2CW with my ring finger resting at the front corner which is rounded. Feels awful on the Dav3

[@alexs_33]

Agreed. Even with ambi mice, I still find Zowie's ambi shapes to be the most comfortable & I also have to credit that to the comfort grooves on the sides that make gripping the mouse so comfortable.

[@kiyu_u6009]

I dunno what it is. Zowie just feels very nice to use compared to the DA V3 for me. The build quality is my favorite, along with Vaxee.

[@FiberZ31]

Im a cs player and the ec2 wireless has been just the best mouse to use for me. I really think it comes down to the weight for me I'm not a person that prefers the super lightweight that most top mice have its fine in other games but for cs I just cant get off the zowie wireless. Love the vid Boardzy keep it up brotha!

[@FiberZ31]

also the shape of the Dav3 doesnt feel as pronounced in my hand as the zowie wireless mice, I think its because the hump is very subtle compared.

[@Evan-xs8ts]

You just don't like change. Lightweight mice are objectively better, and people who don't like them are just bad at mouse control

[@UniverseMON]

Weight yes! i feel like zowie weight super balance and i feel my aim is better than lightweight. I not csgo player i only play ow2 but i falling in love with Ec2 cw 😅😅😅😅

[@LshowKnows]

@@Evan-xs8ts You gotta be braindead for real lmao

[@vael_]

@@Evan-xs8ts Shit take

[@Zeie]

I love ergonomics

[@paulmartinez34]

I never tried an ergo before and i shit on them now that i’ve tried my first ergo (dav2 mini) i fell in love with ergo mice

[@joelr1096]

Even after all this time swapping out dozens of mice I still have an old 3310 EC2-A that I keep going back to since It has always been my reliable top performer despite its older hardware and modest weight. The shape and tank-like build quality is also top notch. The fact that Zowie have kept the wireless version mostly the same sans some minor upgrades makes it a bit of a double edged sword - longtime Zowie users would probably find it an appreciable upgrade while people looking for a mouse with the latest hardware and lowest weight possible will probably be a little underwhelmed. Either way, Zowie doesn't seem to care what people think and I respect them for that.

[@paramjotsingh1989]

I used the DAV3 until the EC2-CW Came out.. Haven't touched the DAV3 Since. Plus Charging dock is a plus.

[@TheTechne]

Ergo = My kinda video :)

[@bezellik]

hilariously, even though you basically shill razer in this vid as being better in most ways, this has convinced me to buy a zowie ec3cw, since i already have the deathadder and want a similar experience without the bad scroll wheel on the deathadder. (it will roll over and input without being touched)z

[@paulmartinez34]

I have the EC3-C and dav3 wired I like both of them the dav3 wired is just too big for my hand size (17x10) I just wish razer will make a dav3 mini 8khz wired with similar dimensions to pulsar xlite mini

[@ddmjr2284]

Why not just use the xlite mini (serious question)

[@paulmartinez34]

I don't like mice with holes and i prefer zowie and razer implementation, also qc wise better than pulsar

[@kesamek8537]

Would like your reviews to include how good/bad the mouse software it, thank you.

[@rriot]

I'm one of the few people that LOVE the scrollwheel on Zowie mice, it avoids accidental inputs with its nice tactility which the DAV3 severely lacks, I have had numerous mis inputs with deathadder V3 because the encoder sucks, it can get stuck mid step and then randomly activate during game. Total dealbreaker. Build quality and performance in-game for me is top tier and for that reason the better pick.

[@paulmartinez34]

I also like zowie scroll wheel they're good imo

[@heatnup]

The DAV3, every deathadder actually, has had some of the most tactile scrolls. Not Zowie level but far from a smooth scroll with no steps.

[@theculture42069]

talking about scroll wheel is really important when you play games like Apex legends that need you to use alot of your scroll wheel all the time. Ive had many expensive mice fail on me in the scroll wheel department because i play alot of apex. but my zowie ec2c wired is still going strong without problems. and its my prefered mice for shooters. i had the superlight and the v2 scroll wheel give up on me.

[@heatnup]

@@theculture42069 I think tactile steps are worse for apex. Mostly because you need to scroll quickly and a lot, which you can’t really do well with tactile scroll wheels. Smooth scroll would be better because you get more inputs for tap strafing.

[@BelaPuma]

@heatnup6899 nah man my viper 8khz is tactile but barelly so and it's unplayable in games like that and for that i would prefer the zowie wheel or similar tactiles

[@AokiZERO]

Well I have both of the mouse you did compare, and after using them a few weeks each, I believe that I have the same feeling than you. I prefer a little bit the EC2 shape / size, but except for that, I prefer the DAV 3 overall. Since I'm also using a Lamzu Atlantis (OG & Mini), it's more awkward to switch from the EC2 than from the DAV 3. Honestly, I'm quite disapointed by Zowie's mice, I was expecting something a bit better... It's not like the mice is really heavy but still, it's disturbing when you switch. I believe my sweet spot would be between 50g / 65g.

[@dddripz]

thicc monke ballz

[@duStyyFPS]

Can you reccomend the Lamzu Atlantis? Im looking for a mouse to replace my old glorious d- which is basically a ec2 clone but would like to try something different.

[@dddripz]

@@duStyyFPS sweaty monke ballz 🤤

[@danielgroth8057]

I just compared Logitech Pro X Superlight, Razer Viper Pro V2 and Zowie FK1-C, for my future use. Also, I do own a old version of the Zowie FK1 (more than 6 years of using that one) , which I recently repainted. Some points were the Zowie stand out: 1. The shape is amazing (the Razer Viper is a close second while the Logi somehow felt short on my ringfinger) 2. The spacer between left and right click, you can rest your finger in front of the mousewheel without pressing any clicks there 3. No software by any means if going with a wired version. (Yes, I am using the cable version since the wireless Zowie in Europe is way to overpriced.) If I would compare the Razer to the Zowie by build.. the Razer feels a bit cheaper when squeezing its body. I do like the finish of the Razer white, it feels like it will be fine after hours of gameplay. On the other hand, the Zowie is able to withstand that as well. The Logi is a bit slippery, so, if I do not put stickers on it it is a loss. About the glides and the feel on the mousepad. The Logi did best on that, than Zowie for some reason (even with stock skates), the Razer scrubbed more on my mousepads.

[@paulmartinez34]

Nothings wrong with wired mice bro

[@Poppaai]

Dav3 wired best mouse ive ever used (and yeah i own about 50 mice)

[@heatnup]

People say wireless has caught up to wired, the DAV3 wired proved that to be incorrect and 8khz only makes it better.

[@paulmartinez34]

Now razer just need to make a dav3 mini wired 8khz

[@box9017]

Is there any proof that lighter mice do anything significant? The Lamzu I have feels on the line of too light

[@Gurvtz]

Razer QC is just so horrible I will never buy their products ever again. The scroll wheel basically guaranteed to break in a matter of weeks-months.

[@tiagohesp6713]

EC2-A owner here and it still runs after 8 years. EC2-CW now. Solid choice. Never tried razer. ZOWIE is gorgeousness top to bottom. Fit is perfect on the hand. All smooth. The sensor 3370 for me is absolutly fine for non competitive.

[@primarqo]

If Zowie had software to fine-tune the performance, I would choose it every time over Razer, just to be sure it won't break in a few months. The Zowie FK2 was the best mouse I've ever had, the only thing missing was the software..

[@meowbih]

Hi Boardzy have you tried the new ULMB 2 update for your monitor? It can be enabled by installing the latest firmware that just came out

[@asddfjkkl]

do an update of this video once the xlite v3 series releases

[@bladesmithh461]

my razers sensor broke after 1 week the 2nd mouse from razer that has done that to me I have only liked the deathadder chroma it lasted a long time for me and all other razer mice ive liked ive just not liked so I wont be buying their mice anymore I do love the keyboards though :D

[@FongTactical]

The EC-CW is the closest to the legendary Microsoft intellimouse 3.0 that CS players use back in the day

[@crimecommiter999]

Personally the model d from glorious is my favorite

[@dontpokethebear3893]

I’m still pretty mad about the coating on the DAV3. I need grips on it and if they had a white/back version with the good coating I’d even double dip and buy it. But I won’t buy a special edition with a signature of some zoomer eceleb I don’t care about lol.

[@StfuSiriusly]

Faker isnt a zoomer

[@takh6806]

The best Ergo is Steelseries prime Neo Noir

[@laws1n874]

in my opinion the zowie hyper is because we actually notice more confidence doing flicks, or small adjustments, and thats because of the shape and the weight (not always the insanely weight reduction is good). In games like cs we really enjoy using zowie mices, but ofc, personal preference

[@laws1n874]

and im using zowie mices since 2012 or 2013 i dont remember. Tried the gpx, pulsar x2, model d, viper, and none of them are close of the comfort of my zowie ec2 :D

[@Legitshooter]

Question here,which version of the zowie can be compared to deathadder v3 pro in size,small medium or large,I want to buy a slightly smaller version of the deathadder v3 pro

[@Ash_1277]

I am so looking forward in picking up a deathadder v3 wired coz since I used my cousin's deathadder v2x I kinda want one 👀

[@paulmartinez34]

I'm looking forward to dav3 mini 8khz wired

[@ChristmasTree14]

PLEASE CAN I GET A HEART FROM DADDY

[@comkioxd]

Pause

[@hca2]

Bro u reviewing ajazz aj199 soon? I have it in my temu cart rn for $25

[@ronweasly778]

Welp there goes your data

[@orphanorbe]

Bro! What’s the best mouse for you when it comes to play fortnite. And for which mouses???? I play fortnite and I’m switching from Controlla playa to Mouse and Keyboard. 🤔🤔🤔

[@73CHD3M0]

Did he just call my hands "freakishly large"? *distributes coffee through the air* Honestly I'm happy about the EC1 because the ergo for my hands is just spot on. The deathadder is also solid, but I sometimes felt it was a little too small and could have been a tad bigger. Other than that, nice comparision, thanks for sharing! :)

[@njutarn8381]

deathadder has a button infront of the scroll?

[@layla8867]

no

[@ColByte]

Wireless FK-2 when? :)

[@paulmartinez34]

Fk3-c pls

[@Doobiesan]

NOTI GANG

[@pugtato_150]

When will the new Razer sensor come out?

[@paulmartinez34]

After razer gets their new sensor all previous will niw be using 3950 and upcoming mice

[@askingmarlon]

Pulsar xlite V3 waiting room for my small ass hands but oh boi it's tempting for deathadder v3

[@cadenrs]

when does it release?

[@askingmarlon]

@@cadenrs I saw a photo from an event on my country where an official distributor of pulsar in my country says that their 1st batch will come in august

[@paulmartinez34]

Here's hoping for a dav3 mini wired 8khz

[@itsdmn1]

The Waizowl OGM Pro slept on, so far my favorite Ergo shape

[@Woot30]

Do you know where I can find the software are firmware update to this mouse by any chance?

[@eattofuholmes]

I feel like every review with an ec2 and a dav3 acts like the shape and size are really similar but I honestly don’t feel like the size is comparable at all. The dav3 feels way larger in my hand and I honestly just aim worse with it because of that.

[@curttheboywonder]

Death adder is too small for me. All the weird curves keep my hand too low. I have a big hand but nothing absurdly large. With a Large size Zowie be better for me?