The BEST intel Motherboard.

[@michaelthompson9798]

As an ITX pc builder, ✊💪 respect my man Jufes for testing an ITX motherboard which are often neglected by most Techtubers 😢.

[@skorpers]

Exactly, ITX is the destination, not a preference. We need more mainstream acceptance of 1DC boards and boards without frills that don't improve performance or connectivity.

[@RaduCodrinLeterna]

I wonder why it took me 2 weeks of searching online to find this video? We need more content like this! Thank you!

[@teemuvesala9575]

Well ITX boards have the best RAM OC capabilities typically due to having just 2 dimm slots which is big advantage in RAM overclocking.

[@charactername263]

Pretty much the only boards with 2 DIMMs. If the manufacturer wants to put 4 DIMMs on a DDR5 board they can go screw themselves.

[@zerzes]

Love seeing your workshop Jufes. You are still one the last objective tech tubers.

[@theyoungjawn]

Jufes and Jarrod’s Tech>>>>>

[@skorpers]

@@TheDeepsilver Well it wasn't lol. If you listened to his content he said that he's a running a enthusiast channel (despite making recommendations for the average user) and his numbers are the tweaked numbers. His objective is to show you how to tweak your 12900k to be within spitting distance of a 13900k in gaming. Modern processors are sold with the highest factory clock they can get stable on 100% of products. A few of them might be able to OC higher, but they are also highly binned at the top end so you get very little difference. I.E he was only able to OC the 13900k by 100 Mhz with a pretty sizable voltage and power draw bump, which made it not worth it for anyone not chasing benchmark results.

[@gewinnste]

@@skorpers And how many hundred Mhz OC did he achieve on the 12900?

[@skorpers]

@@gewinnste He used 5.3Ghz as reference on the 12900k since there were an influx of people claiming they couldn't get 5.4 stable. But 5.4 is what his sample can do.

[@gewinnste]

@@skorpers So how many hundred Mhz up from stock is that? (I didn't find the all-core turbo speed)?

[@CrazyCranker]

Great timing, I was in need of an ITX mobo and looking at the Edge earlier today. Not only can you time travel, you can read minds-Amazing skills. :)

[@MrJtsai1]

I love this channel. They always have content that no other youtuber bothers covering. Some is niche, but mostly just very helpful and useful. Thanks!

[@Mcvalverte]

When can we expect the a die vs m die. Literally was about the buy some ram but holding off now

[@Paulrus10]

The z690i unify is a 12 layer PCB board aswell is it not? Well according to the msi website it is anyways.

[@gamingevolved760]

I still happy with my i9 9900k 5.1 ghz + 32 gb 4000 mhz cl 15.15.15.28 T2 + RTX 3090 TI.no upgrading to 13900K yet.Greatings

[@aisjdoaidf1490]

memory speeds are so unpredictable when it comes to gaming. One would expect 5200 ddr5 and 8k ddr5 to have quite a difference but it doesnt seem to be the case. Maybe the extra cache in the processors is making the ram speeds less and less relevant. But then again ddr4 didn't seem to have any noteworthy gains either from lets say 2666 to 4k + ram speeds if I remember correctly. But ddr 4 had/has better latency timings so maybe thats why it didnt really matter that much. I wonder if ddr5 improves in terms of latency if its gonna help at all or it just wont be relevant again bcz of the increased processor cache (which will basically be masking any improvements, so a program/game/app that heavily utilizes ram would help by overpowering the processor cache and showing the gains?)

[@impuls60]

I found that the shooting feel and hit reg improves with low latency. Disabling the e-cores will give you 5ns faster ram latency in benchmarking. Classical thinking says you wont notice that, but when you also oc the cache to 5Ghz the time to kill and enemy feels way more consistent. Something else is also going on since the game hitreg also becomes much better than just gjudging by ping latency. It also effects the game network time which info is held in the network card's sending buffer. I'm an engineer so I know this is subjective, but on the other hand noone has a test rig to challenge my claim. To test this you need 2 pc's and a server. One pc with ecores on and one off with 5Ghz cache, rest of the system identical. Then a reliable way to trigger both pc mouses excactly at the same time. My claim is that the oc pc kills the other non oc player every time because of the added latency. Good luck proving this difference in practice. But even if I cant prove it doesnt make it not true by default. With exerimenting with cache speed, fclk speed, core speed and network speed settings, the only thing that really made the ttk consistent, no desync feel was disabling ecores and oc the cache. Nothing else helped on the 12700k. Ping was sub 25ms in all testing and fps was also above 70 in 0.1% lows. I tested Pubg and SP for weeks and high cache speed is the magic ticket on 12.th gen and Asus mb.

[@TheKamar2]

warzone 2 ddr4 vs ddr5 next plz

[@mikeramos91]

Not much difference

[@bosco9028]

Also make sure you not only update the bios on the Z690 to run the 13th gen (which you have obviously) but also the chipset driver updates specially for all Z690 boards when you are running 13th gen chips. Apparently this helps with performance of 13th gen chips on Z690 boards as there were some performance issues. Because the Z690i Unify is a 12 layer board so in theory you should be able to hit 8000 on it as well with that memory kit. Your comparison between Hynix M die and Hynix A die will be interesting because according to Buildzoids testing the A die runs faster but the M die can run tighter timings over A die.

[@jackzheng2451]

Isn't the Z690I Unify a 12-layer board design? MSI has it written on their website.

[@KonDim]

we are waiting for z790 apex

[@J.king87]

What is best option Hynix ddr5 7600 with z790 apex Or with z690 unify X?? WILL IT MATTER IN GAMING ?

[@antigerast9175]

Any1 know if 790 4dim 8leyer mobos are any better then same but z690 for 2x16 m-die memory oc?

[@hj-redravenheng3822]

Great video - it'd be great to see which ITX case(s) you think are the best fit for a high-end ITX board such as these two shown here!

[@OfficialWhip]

I am not really into overclocking or manually tuning ram etc. I was hoping someone could let me know a mobo and ram kit for my 13900k and 4090. Not trying to get every single frame I just want the pc to run stable and allow me to play.

[@crispyone2564]

Wtf were they thinking no thunderbolt. Sheeesh

[@discorabbit]

How a 4090 gonna fit on dem lil bois? 😆

[@jonnytechno2662]

The Boards are so small, and the PCB of the 4090 is pretty small too, its weird because they are both over performing boards. but they are smaller?!!?! weird, cool, but weird right?

[@HedonicSense]

Which settings are you using to make 7800 possible in A die for the Msi Z690I unify in terms of voltages on bios?

[@Kevin-fl7mj]

@@youtubeaccount7544 He hides it so he can charge noobs 500$ to tune their setup lol

[@shawntieu2284]

Lol

[@iliasb6869]

Which aftermarket memory heatspreaders would any of you recommend? Thanks in advance!

[@cottontails]

Can you do a video on how to overclock the new Teamgroup ram to 8000Mhz, i have the 7200Mhz kit?

[@FrameChasers]

That ram is bugged out, return it while you can and get the 7600’s

[@cottontails]

@@FrameChasers Newegg let me swap it out for the 7600 model 👍I would love to overclock the replacement kit and would love a tutorial from an expert, would you be willing to do a video on it?

[@FrameChasers]

@@cottontails no I can’t do overclocking guides because Twitter optimizers steal it and sell it, it’s super unfortunate. One day when I don’t have to do consults to support myself I will release everything for free

[@NotHimJim]

Just recently found this channel. Great stuff. :)

[@mircomputers]

MSI ITX series has been the best boards for a while, z490 unify mag is my fav board ever, it killed every other z90 and was one of the cheapest your tests are the best for people like me that build computers, keep going my friend

[@AnthonyMalesys]

In fact it appears that the 6000MHZ CL30 is the best Ram possible for the DDR5 right now

[@jamesdeluca-i6c]

in terms of voltages across multiple platforms (inc z690/AM5), its a safe bet. Most boards can hit 6000 unless you have a poor IMC with first gen Samsung Dies on Z690.. Then its RNG for some lower end boards/CPUs... 6400+ can be a little finicky on 6 layer 2DPC boards on Intel z690. You need closer to 1.4 TX/1.4 VDD2 to get Hynix running on MSI while 6000 will auto in the 1.3TX/VDD2 range.. MSI boards for example will AUTO 1.35/1.4TX on z690 with an average IMC for the 6400 MT/S spec on hynix m/a die.

[@volknasty5880]

I like the content

[@itzGxmo]

I’ve tested the Asus Z790i Strix with the 13900K at launch, but just wondering why you skipped over it, I’m about to build another ITX build featuring the 13900KS, and I’m deciding wether to go Strix again or give this MSI a try

[@tufpistol]

First

[@ErvineJeovanni]

cheaper and faster is always good

[@SKHYJINX]

50% speed (after the intro) It also helps him out watch time wise, support him best you can and get a good laugh. Stay happy, stay blessed.

[@sebastianlaakso2729]

That's not how it works. 2x counts every second the same as 0.25x. So if you really wanna help out watch more videos and play them at double speed.

[@SKHYJINX]

@@sebastianlaakso2729 just looked it up, literally the opposite of what you said.. I'd fire who you get your info from.

[@Rossithailand]

Overpriced

[@MaxNakfoor]

I've been trying to stabilize M die or A die (I've been swapping back and forth) at 7000mhz on a z690 hero with a 14900k but after 2 days I'm losing hope. Should I give up and try a z790 board or keep trying? I really wanted to run 7600mhz but at this point I'm not sure I can even run 6800 on this board.

[@TheOfficialFloridaMan]

Idk what youre talking about saying the z790i is a cheaper board, its $350 retail which is higher than most motherboards

[@YTjuanchicod]

I bought a z690 rog strix and a 6800MHz Gskill, did i make a mistake? i mean, i heard that the z690 limit is 6400. Please someone help me

[@magmetasour]

I like itx builds and using itx cards. Ty for recording this video. Do much more please

[@dario4496]

Which one is better in your opinion the MSI Z790 or Asus rog strix Z790 ? thanks for your answer

[@ICTS-IQ]

you are the best

[@Tpecep]

Its chipset and bios updates difference only

[@jamesdeluca-i6c]

I don't have proof, but Z690 prob has a weaker DMI link that crashes ram at higher speeds, especially with tons of i/o. Boards like the Z690 and Z790 HERO are identical trade design, but perform different for ram OC... Z790 can go further. Another example: Z690 Tomahawk and Z790 PRO-A more or less share a base bios Same board/EE design, but different chipset... The Z790 PRO-A goes further. Official QVL spec is 6800 (Z690) vs 7200 (Z790) on 2DPC (400mhz) .. Which is similar to the limitation here with Unify I vs Edge I (1DPC) (200mhz)

[@1stRanger]

200MHz is literally nothing. The board is much better though.

[@brucendolf]

Boss, i bought a z790 aorus master and g skill 7600 c34. What do you think is it fine for my 13900k and 3080 oc?

[@saleh3521]

Z790 DARK?

[@wevsky]

Just ordered the z790i edge.. my z790 carbon just doesnt do whats on the tin

[@dixanshtiwari6003]

13900k can run smoothly on that z790 white board and even some oc?

[@jonathanhorvat2452]

big fan of itx builds. just built one with the z790i today!

[@dj-rocketman8545]

Asus this year is trash. They have a separate dock for headphones and usb who even wants that.

[@spitfire219]

ITX Squad /r/sffpc hello brothers out there!

[@BrianGarside]

I heard the MSI one is difficult to upgrade the BIOS, is that true?

[@MrCyberoptiX]

guys, what to expect from adie on unify x with 12900k?

[@muhammadbaharits9922]

is Z790I Edge can non K overclocking like Z690I Unify?

[@fez748]

Just noticed the FF7 OG case in the backround. props muh dude

[@stevencharette7918]

if your a gamer and have a intel 6th gen or higher and a 1070 or higher dont bother overclocking , time and time again people destroy their systems because of overclocking its not worth 3 to 5 extra frames

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

😂

[@iprfitness]

Is anyone else having issues getting their z690 bios updated to accept 13th gen intel? I cannot seem to get my z690 msi edge ddr4 board to update..

[@mikeoes1]

Have you tried using m-flash bios method? worked for me on my msi z690-pro-a 13600k kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXywppVoZaiIhKs

[@YTjuanchicod]

im sorry, but what is M DAY and B DAY?

[@komm13]

are they completely identical in heatsink sizes ? not a mm difference ?

[@denvera1g1]

Will this finally beat the latency of mt 5700G with 5000C17

[@JEFFREYSOLORIO]

I went through 4 of the Asus z790-i boards paired with a i9-14900kf and had nothing but memory instability issues plus other issues then I switched to the MSI board and everything just works. I've always been a fan of ASUS but I for the life of me could get this board to run stable.

[@daddyskywalker_1350]

Maybe a faulty mb

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

​@@daddyskywalker_1350 ....yeah, 4 of them. 🤦

[@300avenue]

lmao this dude bummed himself out lol

[@seniorquantum4835]

Glad to see that there are no 11900k boxes.

[@minthos4045]

Good shit. Love your work mate!

[@brianlove3369]

If you don not have a older 12th gen CPU to use for a bios update the bios you will need a Z790 MB

[@welfarestates8465]

Who are you talking to

[@thanhle69420]

@@welfarestates8465wdym? he actually got point if you don't have a 12th cpu

[@donuthole7236]

What are the performance advantages of the mini ATX vs. the full size ATX other than room for more sticks and PCIe 2.0 slots? I suppose shorter trace lengths on the PCB would be one

[@donuthole7236]

@@publicastrations How about a performance "disadvantage"? I work with PC board design (have laid-out quite a few) and generally compromises are made to achieve a small form factor.

[@skorpers]

@@donuthole7236 Depends on the board, ITX boards tend to have more 2 DIMM ram configurations so you have optimal signal strength between CPU and memory. You also may not get 3+ m.2 slots or as many usb ports/headers. Performance wise, power delivery and all; the ideal is possible on mini ITX. Especially since we (disappointingly) have not moved away from dual channel.

[@DC-Hype]

Great honest content as usual! Keen to see the new benchmarks.

[@kwakes212]

What's the highest ddr5 speed alderlake can handle with a z690?

[@sebastianlaakso2729]

I think Jufes has said 7600 in the past

[@kwakes212]

@@sebastianlaakso2729 thanks man

[@psuedotoxin]

Nice

[@RafaelSilva-yv3oh]

Excellent video Jufes

[@doublepoil]

What makes thunderbolt a must for you?

[@iliasb6869]

Maybe additional storage or pcie-cards such as video capture cards

[@hj-redravenheng3822]

ITX only has the one PCIE slot so if you're using that for GPU, then expandability is your issue. Thunderbolt is fast, enough for capture cards, more storage etc. Its your only upgrade path that has sufficient speed.

[@toonnut1]

Let's gooo

[@naoltitude9516]

Mine was DOA LMAO

[@naoltitude9516]

third time was the charm :)))))

[@jggg31]

Algorithm!!!

[@kenigsweg]

A bit off topic, for the bios-screen-enthusiasts: after my 13900-upgrade my Z690 limits my 19-19-19 Vipers. I have a weird issue with my DDR4 since I upgraded my MSI Z690-A PRO with a 13900k: xmp 1 freezes (which ran with my 12th gen CPU for 12 months no problem) the system, xmp 2 asks me to adjust CPU to 101,32 or some weird number and I get stable 3782 MHz DDR4 with what seems random timings to me - no 19-19-19 for me I guess TT Are the memory controllers dog-ish, should I wait for a bios-update, fumble with it myself? Thank you everyone who might leave me a hint ^^

[@Kevin-fl7mj]

I highly doubt its the IMC,bios is more likely.

[@mikeoes1]

FWIW I'm running msi z690-pro-a DDR5 using xmp1 4800 cl38 no issues I just recently updated my bios. 13600k paired with it

[@Kevin-fl7mj]

@@mikeoes1 Raise it to 5200 add 80mV

[@mikeoes1]

@@Kevin-fl7mj I am a noob when it comes to OC 13th gen (my last cpu was 9900k at 5Ghz all core).Many more options on bios re e-cores , p-cores etc. Do I just choose 5200 for Dram freq and rest on auto? Where would I find 80 mv voltage option? I see DRAM voltage, DRAM VDDQ Voltage and DRAM VPP voltage, (Also used to Asus Bios new to MSI layout) thanks!

[@Kevin-fl7mj]

@@mikeoes1 Yep 5200mhz for dram freq dram voltage raise by 80mv rest on auto,5200 is super easy to run and all ddr5 can do it no hassle if it crashes i eat my hat,you still want XMP enabled so the timmings stay decent

[@seanchu9139]

z790 will perform better with DDR5 over z690 in general

[@ledooni]

Just got a binned Z690 Unify-X and some binned M-Die with it for now, cause I wanted 4x M.2 slots. Gonna bin the 13900K IMC as well and once the good A-Die kits get more affordable I‘m gonna give that a shot as well if I actually still lack performance in any games. You definitely helped a lot with my purchase decision, so once I got my rig running including a new GPU I‘ll drop some spare money to support the channel. Thanks for the awesome work and to the supporters as well! 👏

[@J.king87]

Why not the z790 apex ?

[@ledooni]

@@J.king87 looks like a bad joke and pricing compared to what I paid for the Unify-X. I would've taken a 2022 Z690 Apex for a reasonable price, but those are almost impossible to get.

[@basedanon420]

@@ledooni unfortunately you’ve gotta bin the z690 apex even moreso since asus did an awful job w QC

[@tufpistol]

Thanks for the testing and results!

[@icyhotonmynuts]

I don't get why people have such hard-ons for Thunderbolt. You said at the start of the video "if you ever need to expand", but ironically, you didn't expand and give examples what you would need it for. So, what does Thunderbolt allow you to expand to?

[@FrameChasers]

For me personally I use the live gamer BOLT external capture card, I have two of them they are fantastic

[@hamslice839]

Dude I love your videos, this is the tech channel the people need.

[@confettis8870]

[@PedoLemon]

hi! are you able to share if the z690i unify and z790i edge have the exact same heatsink heights all around? i have a noctua l12 that is compatible with the unify but have got no info with the z790i.. if it is compatible i would prefer to grab the z790i board