The Best Maneuver Kill? | F-14 Tomcat Vs F-16 Viper DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@Warthunderispain]

Can we get an f-22 vs su-25 vid?

[@ell8711]

fox 1 vs fox 3 fight?

[@nathaniellazo5912]

​@@ell8711that would be interesting depending on the fighters chosen for the match

[@liberatumplox625]

I'm wondering what (if any) control input is required to utilize differential thrust in the F-14. Does a computer just figure out when to do that, or is the pilot required to pull a lever, flip a switch or say a prayer to the machine god?

[@xxSWxxNINJA]

Can you do a series of videos covering manoeuvres please, specifically transitions, 2 circle to 1 circle transitions, how to transition smoothly and cleanly. You seem to effortlessly switch between like moving into a roller, then back to a 1 circle.

[@intoxicatedfreak4442]

*F-14 shakes uncontrollably* „ don’t worry she’s just a little excited“

[@JohnL2112]

I kinda wonder if the F-14 is the only plane like that or if it’s the only plane in DCS anyone bothered to model like that.

[@SymbolicLogic24]

​@JohnL2112 probably more common in old fighters. Now everything has electronic control surfaces, fly-by-wire etc that puts limits on the aircraft.

[@batbensam5794]

The F-14 really just does that though

[@vash_the_stampede6570]

"New Fanfic Catagory Created"

[@sonoffenix3399]

@@JohnL2112 some of the shake is a consequence of the wings not being fixed to the exterior body, but pivoted on a beam secured to the internal airframe.

[@kingjames1308]

The F-16 pilot must have missed that part in top gun "The hard deck exists for a reason"

[@JohnL2112]

Hey, he was only under the hard deck for *reads notes* the rest of his life

[@Emma15969]

Couldn't be me, I'd fly any fighter jet like a commercial plane, safety first.

[@noahhastings6145]

That sentence is really funny if read in a New Zealand accent

[@Emma15969]

@@noahhastings6145 🤣🤣🤣

[@kenny240]

I see here is a written request to lower the hard deck.

[@seniorspaz8754]

I think the most impressive part of that maneuver kill was Jester staying in the Tomcat and not ejecting.

[@capnron65]

I think he left Jester back at the base - 10:35 - empty seat

[@Peter_Aranyos_Jr]

@@capnron65 Yeah he definitely left his ass back at base 🤣

[@johns1625]

"Jester! We won! Don't eject! Please!" "You're not on fire Ricky Bobby!!!" 😂😂

[@diegodollarhide6663]

@@capnron65Right after the maneuver kill he looks behind him and you can see Jester in the back seat

[@kangarutan1915]

I know that more modern jets like the F-22 and F-35 are amazing statwise, but I just love how aggressive and violent flying the F-14 feels. It shakes and it rattles and it fights the whole time but it just feels good.

[@gh8447]

Is that what you call your wife? F-14? 😄

[@kingjames1308]

The F-22 and the F-35s are like Ferrari's, the F-14 is like a 71 Cuda. It looks mean as hell just sitting on the runway with its high shoulders

[@ACat1255]

Yeah, it just feels so real. That and all the wear and shitty paint in the cockpit.

[@S1LVERflyin]

It should not be fighting you the entire time lmao

[@BARelement]

@@gh84475th graders

[@Iowaweatherupdates123]

Man, you make the best content bruh. I've been subscribed to your channel for around 2-3 years now, and every-single video has been of great quality. Thanks for all the effort you put into this GS!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you for sticking with me that long and watching the videos much love.

[@RodrigoLobosChile]

I concur, the best DCS KZbin channel by far.

[@matto9734]

I´m not even playing DCS but i´ve been watching almost every video in the past 2 years or so...

[@gregtheegg3576]

@@GrowlingSidewinder I look forward to your vids more than anything else I subscribe to...and I have a LOT of subscriptions!

[@matto9734]

" @petersuchansky6703 "would be" 🤣

[@simpinainteasy1916]

Tomcat putting in work and absolutely showing why you should never underestimate its capabilities.

[@tmac2797]

14 destroys 16 if he didn't turn off g effects

[@SA80TAGE]

every kill was due to pilot error on f-16's part though.

[@robdenny514]

I know the tomcat is a big fighter/interceptor, but seeing it come around behind the viper ( @ 16:14 ) it looks absolutely MASSIVE.

[@jadefalcon001]

Having stood with a Tomcat, and then sat in a (disembodied) F-16 cockpit (It's like sitting in a kayak - NO room to move!), the size difference is even bigger than that already convincing contrast shows. The Tomcat is about the size of a whole-ass *tennis court*. You can park a viper in the space of roughly eight standard American parking spaces (two long-ways by four short-ways), excluding wing overhang beyond the blended roots. The way they fly feels like it's appropriate to each, too. The Tomcat moves like an expert heavyweight fighter - nimble, still, but with heft and brute power. The Viper, on the other hand, seems more like a kung fu lightweight. Snap rolls, tight turns, and then supremely fast extends and re-commits. Both are formidable, and I'm sad that the Tomcat will never fly again (because Iran still has some, and so long as they do making or trading in any logistical support for Tomcats is considered by the US too dangerous to allow). By the time the current security concerns are eventually resolved (status quo never holds indefinitely) I think all remaining tomcats will be too far gone to ever be resurrected. I can only hope that maybe some of the Iranian examples still flying might, someday, leave that force and live on as the last survivors of their species in more peaceful hands.

[@SplashJohn]

Yep, reminds me of A-4 aggressors vs. F-14s in The Movie Which Shall Not Be Named. For those who don't know, the F-14's horizontal stab is essentially the same size as the A-4's wing. Crazy.

[@dexter7954]

I love seeing video like this, reminds me of a tiger chasing down its prey.

[@WillArtie]

It looks scary as hell coming round onto the little 16 like that. Like a huge hunting bird relentlessly pursuing a sparrow.

[@famlrnamemssng]

Heheh 16:14. F-16 and F-14

[@dorianrawls1927]

The F14 is such a beautiful plane. Never tire watching it.

[@BCfosheezy]

I came here expecting to see the Tomcat with maybe 1 win. I did not expect it to run the table.

[@unclevampy]

This is proof that the pilot is the most important asset in a dog fight. GS is consistently fighting in planes that are inferior and in doing so, learns how to get the most out of each situation.

[@c0ldyloxproductions324]

Oh the f14 is by far not inferior to the f16 they both have strengths and weaknesses to each other like he said the f16 is better in the 2 circle and the f14 is better in the 1 circle and the only edge the f16 has is the rate fight and thrust to weight

[@RodneyPinSC]

Is there a way within your KZbin videos that you can show throttle/rudder/stick inputs real-time? Being able to watch what you are doing with the controls to get the jets to do what you want them to do would be super helpful. Great videos as always.

[@bucktoofhilbily]

This would be cool ^^

[@billy2141]

There's a little graph I've seen people use for this

[@RandallRoman]

Awesome video. A masterclass in fighting your fight your way, not the way the other guy wants. As for the 'lucky' maneuver kill in the first round, you make your own luck. If he can't kill you fast enough that he ends up trying to force a kill at low altitude and ends up crashing into the ground, that's his problem, not yours.

[@r2020E]

yeah and it was some great low altitude flying by GS

[@zanaduz2018]

Honestly that was almost entirely on the F-16’s pilot being wholly impatient: he had already achieved control position at GS’s high 6, but he tried to force the kill and ended up lawndarting when it looked like he would overshoot.

[@1234NME]

The end of round 3 looked like an eagle (real eagle bird) diving on a sparrow. Absolutely awesome.

[@Nightwulf29]

That first F-16 crash was crazy lol. Also thank you for your earlier video about the Tobii Eye Tracker 5. Just got it a few days ago and it has completely changed the way I play DCS. Love your videos and keep up the good work!

[@karelpgbr]

Earlier video? When was this, I’d like to watch it

[@goatsandoats]

For that second kill 10:54 you actually hit the brakes and he flew right by. Maverick would be proud.

[@lilstud852002yahoo]

That maneuver kill made my fricken day.

[@tu6202]

4:47 Jester looking over his shoulder blew me away, DCS is just amazing.

[@kevinmccorkle7476]

My first CO in a Tomcat squadron, had a brother that was the CO in an Air Force F-16 squadron. I got to ride brakes in it, when he flew in for our change of Command ceremony. Good memories of Mr. Campbell.

[@donakahorse]

dude is scratching his head wondering what happened today. Can't discount the F14, it was purpose built, and it was built well. Still wish we'd seen the super tomcat

[@Trucker-Belly]

They are saving the super tomcat when we need her the most.

[@2underground4u]

F-14 super tomcat not the plane we want it's the plane we need! 😅

[@diegogiamberini8919]

That first kill looked like that scene in "The final countdown" where the F-14 gets leveled and pulls up 100ft on top of the water :)

[@peatbogg3688]

"That thing will not fly... With that kind of damage." Given he'd already punched out, I thought you were about to say "... Without a pilot." 😂

[@DaftDrunk24]

It helps that you are an outstanding "pilot", but it still amazes me to see what such a large plane can do. Variable wing geometry is an amazing thing.

[@NuclearFalcon146]

I wonder if your opponent was a Mirage or Hornet main considering the amount of one-circle they were doing. In that case that specific individual may have done better in one of those airframes (or a Flanker). Going straight to one-circle all the time this individual was throwing away all their advantages in the Viper.

[@mosquito7307]

Nah, he was doing fine

[@Acrophobia2]

@@mosquito7307he threw the fight away several times

[@shaamaan]

"... to go from being completely defensive (...) to the F14 managing to land a kill shot..." Dude, in the first round it was the HILL that scored the kill! :P

[@TSims92]

Your first rolling, flare popping, last second pull up kill was probably the coolest fucking thing ive ever seen. That shot was framed amazingly.

[@ingoos]

The hard-deck for this op.... Never mind.

[@DrakePlayz0305]

Well clearly that F-16 just did the classic Battlefield maneuver….repairing midair 🤣🤣

[@EricAero]

5:14 I think the F-16 experienced the Fighter pilot symptom. It mean being so focus on the target that he lost view of everything else... separation, ground distance even, ennemy wingman if you had one... Pilots falling for that often crashed into they opponent, on the planet or were shot by wingmen. This could be a pretty interresting subject to learn about... When you fly... alway keep your sight wide open !

[@glimftw7255]

As much as i love the Tomcat, its mostly you winning those fights! Working so hard to get the F16 to overshoot just to see him go around in seconds! The speed regaining of F16 is insane!

[@vicroc4]

Yeah, the Viper is a little monster - just going by the numbers it should've handed the F-14 its ass on a silver platter. Just goes to show that the pilot matters way more than the plane in ACM.

[@tmac2797]

​@@vicroc4in dcs 14 kicks vipers ass if you have g effects on in most scenarios. GS turns it off

[@vicroc4]

​@tmac2797 If it was properly modeled it'd be the other way around. The F-14 can dogfight, sure, but it wasn't necessarily built for it. Or at least not to the degree that the F-16 was.

[@tmac2797]

@@vicroc4 in certain aspects for sure, everyone in the dogfight community knows 16 is underperforming and 18 is overperforming. It's unfortunately just the way it is rn

[@roadkillvp4life]

GS in Round 1 like "I ain't heard no fat lady singing!"

[@MadChad1640]

The F-16 pilot needs to learn how maintain distance.

[@JP-fx4ki]

Man, the F14 just tickles me in a special way. MORE MORE MORE! Thank you GS!

[@dgfgts]

Congrats on 1.000 videos, that's insane! PS: It's not the plane, it's the pilot :)

[@v8makoshark]

Amazing flying by my fav. pilot G/S, in my fav. jet, Tomcat ! I think the f16 got target fixation and trying to get you, he dove into the ground. The graphics here are simply stunning too. Go G/S, go Tomcatter's !

[@metallicafan6570]

amazing patience on f-14 as a DCS F-14 player should say

[@personM4N]

4:38 - GS: CALL AN AMBULANCE! 4:46 - GS: ...but not for me!

[@SilentShadowPunisher]

OMG that crash on the hill was Hollyweird sorry Hollywood good

[@terryloh8583]

And that first kill is exactly why the harddeck was set at 10,000 feet, Maverick!

[@Krysfranqui3638]

“Flying into a mountain side has proven hazardous to your health.”

[@sNIKersnOMAd]

it's not the plane, it's the pilot... maverick

[@VigilanteAgumon]

Once again, Top Gun vs. Iron Eagle

[@sleepingninjaquiettime]

The F-14 shaking reminds me of driving an M1A2 downhill at 50 mph

[@gamingsasquatch3357]

I agree the scale difference of the fight here is incredible. One of, if not, the Largest Naval Jet Fighter vs One of, if not, the Smallest Jet Fighters

[@jadefalcon001]

It's the Bruce Lee v Foreman the world never got to see.

[@jamesk7256]

How did an F-14 win 3 out of 3? I would be ragequitting if I were that F-16 player.

[@stevepreskitt283]

In fairness, GS had the terrain as his wingman.

[@doomedwit1010]

And the F16 always got the first shots and missed, at least in first two fights. Slightly better aim and goes to the 16. Not that he makes them easy shots, but I two unknown pilots of equal skill..

[@subpilot1000]

I'm an F-16, the greatest dogfighter of all time! Yeah, well I'm a mountain... SPLASH!

[@paulbrooks4395]

Playing to your strengths also means reading the other person. If he freaks out easily, then giving him a few rounds or pulling hard to make it appear that you have a shot can get him to make a critical mistake.

[@tstorm83]

Man, you make the best content! I can’t get enough of how you dominate in the Viper but then you can fight it with anything else and beat it. It’s like the deck is stacked. Sweet fight!

[@702BattleBorn]

Yo GS, nice match. Much props to the midget in the Viper engine bay getting that turbine swapped mid flight, the American equivalent to Sven banging on the viggen to fix that compressor stall. Thanks for the video. Great to see the Cat at it..."she will give it all to you even to the point of breaking its wings...you got to love that dedication."" Have a pleasant day. Cheers.

[@StackableGoldMC]

Every time with the F14 facing the F16 I can't help but think about "It's not the plane, it's the pilot."

[@SherloqX]

Reminds me of...."Oh, trees!" Too funny! That crash should be on your end of year montage.

[@HeeroYuy180]

abstract: F-16 is better, but the pilot's skill drastically interferes with these results

[@Pyreax865]

Absolutely. The F-16 is better in most ways, and far superior in BFM. It all comes down to the pilots skill and abilities.

[@nootnewt]

"it's not the plane, it's the pilot" type beat

[@liamlinstid1802]

Not so sure about that. At what? As a fighter, the Tomcat is better at most things vs the F16, otherwise it wouldn't have cost more than double per article.

[@Pyreax865]

@@liamlinstid1802 the F-16 is more agile, it’s a smaller target, the cockpit has better visibility, the F-16 has a better sustained turn rate.

[@jess2690]

Tomcat videos never get old! Outstanding content!

[@coltonkoger8600]

Nothing sexier then a F-14 full spread in a banking turn.

[@grimgamer24]

That second fight was so intense. Great flying to both of you!

[@SMathai]

I rate this 2nd best. THE BEST was the P-51 vs. the F-22 - hands down greatest maneuver kill of all time.

[@HypoceeYT]

Probably, but if we're bringing up the P-51 there's the Mustang-Warthog fight where the Mustang MKs himself on the Warthog's _wing_ ...

[@gwcrispi]

Perfect embodiment of "the better pilot usually wins".

[@DDayJayke]

I must thank you GS. Your videos have not only inspired me but taught me what I needed to know I'm order to ensure that I never lose a dogfight against a Tomcat

[@KergylKraft]

"Shoutout to that mountainside." lmao that mountain had nearly as many kills in this video as GS

[@nbs-spike5822]

I wish we could upgrade the F14 to the max with ALL the goodies everyone else gets, like helmet HUD, AIM 9X, F15 radar, AMRAAMs, more powerful engines, vector thrust.

[@Reaper_03-01]

Round two that F-16 pulled its secret trump card: the Swedish aeronautical mechanic named Sven. He just happened to be available to quick fix that engine. But even Sven cannot save a F-16 that is in pieces.

[@thomashenshallhydraxis]

Maneuvering kill was awesome . Open wings, slow engines, F16 completely thought he was going to gun, then oh S….. mountain.

[@capnron65]

11:25 R2D2 worked his magic - all good now Luke

[@Legendsingray]

"I only went below the deck for a few seconds. I had the shot; there was no danger...."

[@shadowrainexia]

That barrel roll maneuver kill deserves to be in a Top Gun Movie

[@neilarmstrong3886]

God I love how the Tomcat shakes rattles and rolls

[@vicroc4]

No computers there to smooth out its maneuvers, just a direct connection to the control stick. Makes for a lot of buffeting. But she'll do exactly what you tell her to without a computer in the way to slow down a maneuver if it thinks you're going outside of the envelope.

[@TacoLover243]

Great content, new subscriber. I love fighter aircraft’s and you seem very knowledgeable and experienced with dogfights. Great work

[@thinlycut]

Pure pilot skill my man - that second fight was epic! Absolutely loving all the Tomcat content lately

[@javieriniguez1444]

It's always fun to see the Tomcat hold its own against the F-16. That was some spectacular radius fighting. I'd like to see the F-15 do that! Great fight. Keep 'em coming.

[@kevinhardin415]

Whoa! A hat-trick! Nice job. Wouldn’t have expected that. Hoped to see even one win for the T-cat. Bonus!

[@TheFoxYTB]

Love your videos - Congratulations for 1000 of them now... Greetings from Germany ❤💙💛

[@Vanessaira-Retro]

When that Battlefield Theme kicks in!

[@johnhermann7498]

Advantage Tomcat! Great flying and another fantastic video demonstrating your skill against an (on paper) dominant aircraft!

[@MrNoobed]

16:15 the f14 is just so xbox huge next to it and it can still keep up. Its wild

[@JonesingUSAF]

Great flying against that lawn dart GS!

[@Ob1sdarkside]

Such a technical fight! Amazing. Loved seeing deflection as the rounds went past!

[@hasan3028]

Wow this is one of the coolest dog fight i have seen on this channel. Great stuff GS. Love you.

[@GM-fh5jp]

Sheer pilot skill in those victories(apart from the faceplant in R1) Excellent flying Colonel Sidewinder.

[@christianperez8037]

That first kill was some Tom cruise pilot shit 😂

[@debbiestimac5175]

Target fixation is a killer he lost spatial orientation. The ground is your greatest enemy anytime you fly, you need to know where it is at all times.

[@christophermarshall3856]

GS, thank you for keeping the Big Cat in action...

[@juggernaut3373]

Awesome one bro! I'm new on DCS and I'm loading up the F-14 and mastering it. It's my all time favorite plane in reality (F-4 a close second). Keep 'em coming!

[@citadel9611]

The F16 player is probably still thinking; I should have did this so... Good job as always GS.

[@Tigerhawk30]

Ahhh, I see...for the first round, you were about to force an overshoot (whether intentional or not...lol), and the Viper pilot seriously overcompensated. Excellent dodging of those rounds he put to you

[@sogerc1]

There's no shame in losing against GS if you put up a good fight. This player, we don't know who he was, tried to adapt and everything so please invite him back to the channel sometime.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Indeed he put up a great fight and allowed me to practice much defensive BFM

[@rangerrick8220]

AH the F-16 bottoming out on the mountain made me lol! Then 2 more kills! Looks like the ole girl still has it!!

[@moistmike4150]

10:38: GS - Dat. Last. Shot. ZOMG!!

[@brianwright9514]

His fangs went through the floor and got stuck in the hillside. 😂

[@LuisMolero7]

It's not the plane, it's the pilot... beautiful dogfight

[@FactsNReason]

F14 reminds me of driving a manual transmission car - like u said: she’ll do anything you ask her … what a fighter plane!

[@castle54027]

All the rattling when the shaking starts lol

[@contraststriker8198]

The Tomcat deserved a modernization program

[@Faded-420]

He grabbed the extinguisher and put the engine fire out mid air 😂 Scotty given it all she got cpt!

[@Gasyghust]

5:08 what rooster was thinking of when he didnt take the shot bc it was too low

[@sanjeevnair4069]

the first fight looked completely like what Maverick would have done in the situation

[@B10Flipster]

VF-102 "Diamondbacks" Oceana, Virginia

[@grizzly4736]

When I got a maneuver kill against a MiG-15 while in my Saber Jet, I was told it counts.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

It does count, a manoeuvre kill is a real kill so nice work.

[@camaro2862]

LOVE hearing that Battlefield theme after Round 1!

[@ribsi85]

Well at least the F-16 pilot survived the last round. Rough day at the office.

[@whalehands]

You + Viper or Tomcat = Death 2 Enemy

[@TwistTheTwist]

“Whatever he is better at, you’re doing the other one.” That is unless you’re fighting the f-22 in which case you just eject.