The Best Sim Drifter on Youtube?

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Haugen Racing

Haugen Racing

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@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Do you guys like this style of video? Should I do more comparison videos? Let me know!!!
@bigfanofmine5630
@bigfanofmine5630 2 жыл бұрын
Yes i llike it
@aftrnoon_ac
@aftrnoon_ac 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@mmmHardstyle
@mmmHardstyle 2 жыл бұрын
hell yeah man, more drift analysis videos would be great. I'm always trying to improve and seeing where others can improve helps me make more intentional actions when I'm behind the wheel. I appreciate you bro
@Rahzarusfilms
@Rahzarusfilms 2 жыл бұрын
i love these vids cuz i get insight. and attempt to practice some of these tips. and its genuinely interesting for a irl drifter to critique these sim drifters. love the vids homie keep em comin!
@matttrain3960
@matttrain3960 2 жыл бұрын
yes definitely!
@Goosiest
@Goosiest 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you not being too harsh on my skills 😂
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Haha goose you’re just all about having fun! I think if you focused and applied yourself you’d be that much better tho! We gotta get you in some pro cars!
@mlbrn676
@mlbrn676 2 жыл бұрын
You are still my favourite sim drifter. You can one thing that people like CToretto cant do: Talking
@roxe...3000
@roxe...3000 2 жыл бұрын
Nani!
@yekuei2608
@yekuei2608 2 жыл бұрын
@@mlbrn676 hahha
@asheleydavies
@asheleydavies 2 жыл бұрын
@@HaugenRacing dude you're really funny. I hardly watch for the actual drifting, you have great personality. Keep it up. Also buy a sparco rally wheel for your setup, so much nicer than the stock rim.
@TheSLAPTrain1
@TheSLAPTrain1 2 жыл бұрын
Ehhhhhhh thanks for the add partner !! Def need to do that handbrake placement closer and yea that session was more testing stuff out for me that night ( I’m full of excuses I know ) 😂 I’ll get some proper doors one night finally ahah
@hakkk.
@hakkk. 2 жыл бұрын
Hi
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Just try it and see what you think! It’s good to try multiple things and see what works best for you. Keep shredding dude!
@EvlRabbit07
@EvlRabbit07 2 жыл бұрын
Hell Yeah Dude!!!! Appreciate the input!! It was still in tune development at this part and its much better now. Keep up the awesome work
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Heck ya! That car looks like a riot. And good driving!
@EvlRabbit07
@EvlRabbit07 2 жыл бұрын
@@HaugenRacing may have to let you ripp it around sometime
@prettymanandthepussyparty2685
@prettymanandthepussyparty2685 2 жыл бұрын
@@EvlRabbit07 yes you guys need to drive together
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
That would be fun! I’d love that
@addisonkimball588
@addisonkimball588 2 жыл бұрын
@@HaugenRacing @evlrabbit we all need to rip. i just got a final version of my dmvc a90.
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Who is your favorite sim drifter on KZbin?!
@Madnot4
@Madnot4 2 жыл бұрын
U
@roche1517
@roche1517 2 жыл бұрын
alan hynesZ
@aftrnoon_ac
@aftrnoon_ac 2 жыл бұрын
You, cuz you're a fellow Arizonan
@Johnny_C137
@Johnny_C137 2 жыл бұрын
I'm on the fence between you and Goose. You both put out very entertaining content that I look forward to watching, and that's what KZbin is all about. If we're talking about sim drifting skill only, I'm on the fence between Don Jewon Song and you.
@roymendoza530
@roymendoza530 2 жыл бұрын
Victor Alves
@dev_vg
@dev_vg 2 жыл бұрын
HyneZ is absolutely nuts. Glad you had victor on here he has beengiving VDC some banger runs.
@ImCanine
@ImCanine 2 жыл бұрын
Found that guy the other day, hes insane
@junevanheuvelen6549
@junevanheuvelen6549 2 жыл бұрын
Goosiest is just all about the fun content and not so much perfect drifting but that’s why he’s fun I guess, for good serious drifting but also other amusing content like build series and TikTok reacts I think you’re the best channel on the tube when it comes to car/drifting scene tho
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you fam!
@toddthezondalover645
@toddthezondalover645 2 жыл бұрын
Your completely analytical and unbiased input is why I keep watching these videos. Not many people want to help others get better, it's usually too much of a competition
@kuyamex7136
@kuyamex7136 2 жыл бұрын
Whenever I’m watching your videos and my mum walks in and tells me I’m not studying I convince her that your videos are engineering class where I learn about vehicles
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
LOL THATS OUTRAGEOUS. I’m dieing 😂
@Sushi_the_Idiot
@Sushi_the_Idiot 2 жыл бұрын
200iq move
@mmmHardstyle
@mmmHardstyle 2 жыл бұрын
5:35 duuuude, just realized that Victor attacked in that chase just like Piotr - oooooo weeee spicy
@oskarstenis29
@oskarstenis29 2 жыл бұрын
You need to see HayneZ sim drifting!!!
@godtoHrD
@godtoHrD 2 жыл бұрын
I like watching these kinds of videos cuz I like how you explain it as it goes. For someone like me who is fairly new to drifting in general, this channel is great for getting into and keeping up with the whole scene. Neat-o!
@TheDramethis
@TheDramethis 2 жыл бұрын
Less than 12 min ☹️. Love the content
@yesterlfs
@yesterlfs 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for showing my clips haugen!! great analysis too!!
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Heck ya dude! Keep being a beast. Let’s shred together again soon. Been wayyyy too long lol
@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263
@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263 2 жыл бұрын
I am so glad you mentioned Victor, He gets harassment suits for putting his splitter up Silvia and Fairlady's chuffs.
@essienss
@essienss 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe the Brazilian KZbinr "Adriel Machado" in the next ones? He is very skilled in my opinion.
@mrhcrip
@mrhcrip 2 жыл бұрын
we need a "2 hands on wheel" counter for one of these upcoming videos :)
@samgebbie8639
@samgebbie8639 2 жыл бұрын
You missed Hynez Probaly the best in the business when it comes to Comp Drifting IMO. Otherwise banger video my dude
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
I mentioned in the video that I didn’t include IRL drivers for a more fair comparison of sim drifters
@samgebbie8639
@samgebbie8639 2 жыл бұрын
@@HaugenRacing True. On a wholesome sidenote, watching your videos has made me so much better in the sim and I just bought an E36 IRL so I should be marking doors in no time so thanks.
@SIKENS
@SIKENS 2 жыл бұрын
@@HaugenRacing he drift on Sim imo
@NiederDrifts
@NiederDrifts 2 жыл бұрын
Great video again!! Honestly gonna have to watch this again to take in the tips again. So much information to take in😂 but I absolutely LOVE that!
@verzuxia2088
@verzuxia2088 2 жыл бұрын
yooooo haugen do more of this vids G they are 🔥🔥🔥!!!!
@guidohorvall1484
@guidohorvall1484 2 жыл бұрын
I think they all are the best KZbinr drifter guys lol. I'm also subscribed to all of them... I had a weird go with hand break usage. At first I didn't have one. them I got the thrustmaster sparco and hardly used it to the point of thinking I wasted money. Then I figured out what it's used for and then I over used it. Now I barley use it and do more throttle control and left foot. It's a weird progression but no one told me I had to figure it out. The only thing I was missing was VR. Great vid as always bro thank you.
@ronald800
@ronald800 2 жыл бұрын
BRO HAS KZbin PREMIUM💀
@n0aimassistx221
@n0aimassistx221 2 жыл бұрын
your a fucking legend dude your a inspiration to all
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you fam!
@michaelmarker6196
@michaelmarker6196 2 жыл бұрын
This has become my favorite channel by a good bit, your personality and the sound effects are awesome! I'll be rooting for ya in fd Japan this year!
@Rhniiaa
@Rhniiaa 2 жыл бұрын
really good video! Keep up the work buddy!
@gitrekt-gudson
@gitrekt-gudson 2 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to say, when you said you think gloves make a difference I fully agree. I let the gloves do the work of gripping the wheel, when I run without gloves my hands start to hurt and cramp because I wind up using fingers more to grip, not to mention the friction when I let the wheel float in my hands. Gloves allow me to maintain a light touch.
@JeuneF
@JeuneF Жыл бұрын
It would be cool a series of videos where you break down formula drift track in a chase and lead position. One episode per track :)
@scottholden1862
@scottholden1862 2 жыл бұрын
EvlRabbit is definitely my favourite drift game content creator on KZbin.....his style and skill in a variety of games is outstanding....great video Mr Haugen! 😁🤘🤟🤙👍
@Aks_Reptiles
@Aks_Reptiles 2 жыл бұрын
Noice mate keep up the uploads love the videos
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@Dj1Kreationz
@Dj1Kreationz 2 жыл бұрын
Hawkeye's Drift Garage is pretty dope too 😁
@julianf8094
@julianf8094 2 жыл бұрын
Does the legend answer? Btw you should come to Gatebil in Norway!
@Mixeris88
@Mixeris88 2 жыл бұрын
As a Latvian i feel nice that a pretty big youtuber reviews drifting done in a Latvian track"in the first video and evil rabbits"
@N3gativeChill
@N3gativeChill 2 жыл бұрын
leave me and my socks alone, my converse are dead lmao
@WarWagonDrift
@WarWagonDrift 2 жыл бұрын
Since this video dropped, all I hear from my sim drift friends is "I'm trying to stop using so much handbrake"
@mrbosky710
@mrbosky710 2 жыл бұрын
I'm always wearing my racing shoes and gloves when sim drifting, thought I was just weird lol
@gintoki_dk
@gintoki_dk 2 жыл бұрын
Best shoes in my own opinion for sim or even just practice drifting in real life is vans and Jordan 1s just due to the fact that they have a flat bottom to them which allows better foot control
@dabonz
@dabonz 2 жыл бұрын
Noicee!!! Btw after get new home I'll buy the logitech or any steering wheel setup and wanna be the great sim drifter xd...Btw cool video Haugen😁🙏
@Sarkoidosis1
@Sarkoidosis1 2 жыл бұрын
Time for some youtuber drift tournament
@FullThrottleSim
@FullThrottleSim 2 жыл бұрын
When are the Haugen racing gloves going to be in development? That would be sickkk
@thatguylou
@thatguylou Жыл бұрын
great vid. love seeing the comparisons between some of the greats. everyone has their own quirks as you pointed out and just roll with it. man.. trying to find gloves is a chore. you don't have any on your shop so which do you recommend for sim racing/drifting? need to be able to easily press buttons on the wheel while wearing them. not sure if that's possible after seeing all the glove types out there but hoping you might have an idea.
@interstellar_1247
@interstellar_1247 2 жыл бұрын
Another banger!!! LETS GOO!
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Lets goooooo
@JCetty
@JCetty 2 жыл бұрын
i drift with some random nikes that i got for like 30% off
@EBDDUB
@EBDDUB 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Haugen!!! Quick question: If you were a chase driver in Formula Drift (or any professional drift competition), and the lead driver were to swing wide and miss one of the clipping points, would you have a higher chance at winning if you also missed the clipping point by following the lead drivers line while still keeping proper proximity from the lead driver, or would you have a better chance if you took the correct line while having to sacrifice your proximity with the lead driver and falling back a little bit?
@interstellar_1247
@interstellar_1247 2 жыл бұрын
You would have the advantage following but missing the clipping. In formula drift or any drift comp lead driver is the bigger one so if you make mistakes in lead but not chase it’s bad but chase and not lead it’s ok. So you have the advantage
@merdovski5858
@merdovski5858 2 жыл бұрын
Chase is not responsible to take ideal line. it just has to keep the proximity, agression, angle(equal or higher).
@tomasmonteiro8864
@tomasmonteiro8864 2 жыл бұрын
@@merdovski5858 that doesnt make sense if its a in clip u Will no go out just because the leader did it.. i get what u trying to say but i know what i mean.. also not all comp see the clips as main thing cause in drift overwall is about the show ! Thats one reason fd tires make so much smoke then u need to be the most agressive u can but dont forget the correction too much correction is bad, if u drive like that just dont be agressive until u be good at that the clips are mostly to have a line that the drivers must maintain dont forget the accele and decel zones.. fórmula drift dont have a priority on speed anlge show.. they have priority in all.. my advice ? Do what everybody dont do, just have fun! If u think about all the rules and things u have to do u Will not having fun.. and whats drift without fun?
@tomasmonteiro8864
@tomasmonteiro8864 2 жыл бұрын
That was big 😅😅
@blagoydragnev5171
@blagoydragnev5171 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomasmonteiro8864 Your point of view is basically about drifting for fun. There are clipping points in drift competitions or zones, so the judges can score how deep you went in the zone and so on. You talk about casual drifting and shows which is perfectly fine. From what you are saying I'm not sure if you are completely confused or don't know the rules 😁
@kampis13
@kampis13 2 жыл бұрын
Need part 2. Where is kame trick and alan hynez?
@Dolmen2
@Dolmen2 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldve been dope if you included Alan Hynes in here 👀 hes insane
@Submody2023
@Submody2023 2 жыл бұрын
Shifter is goated
@Sooneh20
@Sooneh20 2 жыл бұрын
CToretto, EvlRabbit, Wazzup, Gooziest and SlapTrain. Those are my favs
@fabienbarrow-blanken5804
@fabienbarrow-blanken5804 2 жыл бұрын
What about Gtoofast
@merdovski5858
@merdovski5858 2 жыл бұрын
i think you should have do more research for this content. there are so many guys who really skilled at sim drifting. especially on the VDC, DMVC, DCGP etc.
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
As I mentioned I was picking top content creators. This list would be quite different it was truly competitive sim drifters. May have to do another one!
@bigandrew07
@bigandrew07 2 жыл бұрын
Damn this is really impressive
@vini_mss
@vini_mss 2 жыл бұрын
I really like victor and he is super skilled, the only thing I don't like about him is that he uses 720°, he is super agressivel but like, I feel like this is a little hack as roof view cam
@hayeduce
@hayeduce 2 жыл бұрын
well, t300 is not fast enough for some very snappy transitions, and having realistic self-steer is crucial for consistency. there is no such thing as "throwing the wheel" in comps. every logitech guy who competes also uses less then 900 degrees.
@nehoni7547
@nehoni7547 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video! You should also look up Shifter. :D
@corysdrift5939
@corysdrift5939 2 жыл бұрын
In this format Victor wins easily but as you mentioned most of the guys you compared dont really fit this format.
@Nocxys
@Nocxys 2 жыл бұрын
Day 2 of asking haugen racing to react to vegetable studio
@isaaclars1501
@isaaclars1501 2 жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or has Haugen been getting more muscular over the years?
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Bulking season dog!!!
@isaaclars1501
@isaaclars1501 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah!
@XGreibX
@XGreibX 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Haugen, when you reacting to that Sim drifter driving Piotr Więcek's silvia s15 irl?
@JPN_IMG_
@JPN_IMG_ 2 жыл бұрын
I like how this guy gets the right to like criticize everyone else
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Why do you look at criticism as a negative thing? Please look up the definition of critique. I evaluate from a non biased position and help others learn as well as learn myself. These videos are meant to be fun and educational.
@matttheobald1224
@matttheobald1224 2 жыл бұрын
Haugen is the best sim drifter on KZbin. He drives 1 handed all the time.
@digitaldrifter8741
@digitaldrifter8741 2 жыл бұрын
Where is gtoofast? U can go to his second channel called MoreGtoofast and there is alot of assetto corsa content there
@roche1517
@roche1517 2 жыл бұрын
fax
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
He'll be in later ones, I know of him
@fabienbarrow-blanken5804
@fabienbarrow-blanken5804 2 жыл бұрын
Gtoofast is my guy
@sabastiangipson8163
@sabastiangipson8163 2 жыл бұрын
There's 1 person who I didn't know on this list and that's the person you showed after a slap train everyone else I'm subbed to watch their videos
@larryhaugen4295
@larryhaugen4295 2 жыл бұрын
There are some really good drifters here!
@mirek2845
@mirek2845 2 жыл бұрын
Out of the ones in the video Victor Alves is by far the best but on youtube the best sim drifter is for sure Alan Hynes, the dude won multiple comp online events like VDC, always does close to perfect lines.
@thesprawl2361
@thesprawl2361 2 жыл бұрын
Is he the sim drifting champion who got a go in that Swedish pro drifter's Silvia?
@mirek2845
@mirek2845 2 жыл бұрын
@@thesprawl2361 No, that was Rhys Tatterson, he is from the same team as Alan Hynes but he doesn't have a KZbin channel.
@thesprawl2361
@thesprawl2361 2 жыл бұрын
@@mirek2845 OK, thanks, I'm going to check out Hynes for myself.
@nighrow5
@nighrow5 2 жыл бұрын
U should check out team berzerk skills are crazy
@lFxdedl
@lFxdedl 2 жыл бұрын
You gotta put HynesZ on here! Dude is nuts
@misty_slidez
@misty_slidez Жыл бұрын
u have to do HyneZ, hes one of the best drivers in VDC
@valtersjekabsons
@valtersjekabsons 2 жыл бұрын
You should check out Alan Hynes (HynesZ), hes just sick driver, irl as well as on sim
@titandrives
@titandrives 2 жыл бұрын
Was goosiest rap intentional 🤣
@ifaqul897
@ifaqul897 2 жыл бұрын
Can you react to Tor-Anders Ringnes?
@estimateddeatharrival
@estimateddeatharrival 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer Seema . Seema Nutz
@wej473
@wej473 2 жыл бұрын
I gotta go with the Goose, cant go wrong with a goose
@TheBrendoe
@TheBrendoe 2 жыл бұрын
shirtstuckedin sells some dope gloves from japan in cool colors :D
@n0t_jayyy273
@n0t_jayyy273 2 жыл бұрын
Alan Hynez 💯
@meghantimewell9486
@meghantimewell9486 2 жыл бұрын
react to some Canadian ice drifting!
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
We got some Canadian stuff on our list! Coming soon!
@andress4876
@andress4876 2 жыл бұрын
when it comes to comp I think Hynez and Victor are really good. Content creators I think Evl Rabbit and Ctoretto are the best with Rabbit being more of a comp drifter.
@hpoerno
@hpoerno 2 жыл бұрын
Hello goosiest i am your fan🙂🙂
@Jyyrgen
@Jyyrgen 2 жыл бұрын
8:48 im always wearing wool socks lol
@Ch0coCh1n
@Ch0coCh1n 2 жыл бұрын
Shifter is probably as clean as ctoretto imo, check him out
@dreiback182
@dreiback182 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion there are reasons for going no shoes: In my case I inverted my G29 pedals and stock and inverted they dont have much travel and with shoes you feel like you only have half the way of travel in my case. So your more precise without shoes on G29 pedals. On ones with more travel I would also recommend shoes. Also in my case I have to use gloves, because I bought a 30 bucks wheel of Amazon, put it on my G29 and the 30 bucks wheel does have not much grip and after 30 seconds you hands sweat so much you have no grip on the wheel. In my case I use a pair of 100%(brand) Mountainbike gloves… yes I am doing sim drifting on a budget…
@aidensmith864
@aidensmith864 2 жыл бұрын
you should review hoon garage
@roche1517
@roche1517 2 жыл бұрын
alan hynesz is the best drift sim drifter on youtube
@CarsonQiu
@CarsonQiu 2 жыл бұрын
lol i like drifting in socks when it comes to my setup only because the logitech g920 pedals are really close and if i put shoes on it feels like i’m using a toy.
@merdovski5858
@merdovski5858 2 жыл бұрын
Zack'o Sullivan is in the top sim drifters for sure. He is freaking good at chasing.
@AllDiligence
@AllDiligence 2 жыл бұрын
That’s my boi JSI MiSTiFiED 🤙🏽
@rboz-7815
@rboz-7815 2 жыл бұрын
@@AllDiligence i know him for like years now since fh2 maybe then he left forza after fh3 for ever 😂 he was the best
@swerven3453
@swerven3453 2 жыл бұрын
want to know whats more realistic i dont even have a hand brake i just clutch kick and left foot brake xD
@skyy_raider8994
@skyy_raider8994 2 жыл бұрын
does anyone have the files for autodrom jastrzab? it doesn't let me buy it😭😭😭
@MsPablo145
@MsPablo145 Жыл бұрын
CToretto for me!
@dacarkid
@dacarkid 2 жыл бұрын
I think you should react to Alan Hynes aka HynesZ channel. He even participates in VDC and all this stuff.
@patriciamcfalls7486
@patriciamcfalls7486 2 жыл бұрын
aye thats pretty good 👍
@assettodriftcorsapl8790
@assettodriftcorsapl8790 2 жыл бұрын
8:48 i dont feel pedals in shoes
@thcxcrew2731
@thcxcrew2731 2 жыл бұрын
Rhys tatterson do a video on him he’s the one who won dmvc
@sword9425
@sword9425 Жыл бұрын
ctorreto playing in 2014 assetto corsa
@TasteMyster42
@TasteMyster42 2 жыл бұрын
you should react to borch story drifting
@gamer-rs8ib
@gamer-rs8ib 2 жыл бұрын
still have yet to see you react to Alan Hynez..
@JakeA365
@JakeA365 2 жыл бұрын
Mr Haugen Racing. I'm not sure if you will see this message. But I plugged your merch store to my girlfriend. Yeah anyways I sent her the link and said something like "u should pick a sticker or keychain thing from here so we can match" I'm probably gonna buy a hoodie or tshirt as well I'm just waiting for her to pick something.
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Lets gooooo!!!! Heck yes dude thats sick!
@JakeA365
@JakeA365 2 жыл бұрын
@@HaugenRacing yessiirrr!! She be asleep rn so ima ask her in person tmrw. Definitely getting matching stickers
@nomeru_0
@nomeru_0 2 жыл бұрын
Alan Hynes is another top level sim drifter you should check out.
@generaldart6567
@generaldart6567 2 жыл бұрын
React to drifts and lifts
@opaaski4733
@opaaski4733 2 жыл бұрын
Not first
@madalexander6456
@madalexander6456 2 жыл бұрын
Send it
@advanc3d512
@advanc3d512 2 жыл бұрын
Just a question from a fellow sim-drifter: Why do most pro drifters in sim and irl yank the handbrake multiple times during one corner?
@HaugenRacing
@HaugenRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Depending on setup it can require a double pull to get it to lock up. Also if it’s an extended handbrake you want to modulate so you don’t flat spot the tires.
@jonprestige2208
@jonprestige2208 2 жыл бұрын
I'd call c torretto skilled if he didn't drift EVERYTHING... small corners.. Tandem, technical.... In 2nd gear.. Possibly the first time I've seen him use above 2nd gear. So nah. Has his wheel and set up to be About as realitic to driving as walking... His style is 2nd gear bash... All day
@silentfox8
@silentfox8 2 жыл бұрын
10000% why "competitive drifting" is toxic for me, drifting is an art and like any art is about expression, and when people are criticized about how they express themselves, it takes the personality out of the art, it makes it bland because youre not doing it the right way when the right way is whatever way you want, thats just me though
@zwenkwiel816
@zwenkwiel816 2 жыл бұрын
sorry Haugen but Goosiest is the GOAT! also react to shifter, he's really underrated IMO
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