The Best way to get HDMI on your PS1 or PS2 | Gears and Tech

[@GearsAndTech]

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[@nickbarrett7639]

your link for HDMI Adapters brings you to a hyper link adapter and not a levelhike. Are they the same quality?

[@TheSoulmarine]

I gave up on cables, got classic 32" Samsung 1080i wide flat CRT Tv in almost mint condition for 20€ with component, composit, rgb, scart, svideo inputs. All retro consoles look great on it. One of the best investments you can do for your retro consoles.

[@GearsAndTech]

Totally agree I just don't have the space for that

[@isaacgonzalez3330]

What model is the tv bro?

[@TheSoulmarine]

@@isaacgonzalez3330 Samsung 32" WS-32Z308P

[@stevesstuff1450]

I recently bought a 'Mcbazel' PS1/PS2-to-HDMI adaptor from Amazon (UK) to connect both my PS1 and PS2 consoles. It works really well as it claims to be using S-Video out from both consoles (there's no need to change the RGB/YPBR settings in the PS2 menu). The picture can be switched from 480p to 720p, and between 4:3 and 16:9 on the device. PS1 games play perfectly from any PS1 console, and even play perfectly on PS2... The picture is crisp and clear, and unlike some other adaptors I've seen/tried, the picture isn't darkened by the adaptor on PS2, plus, it allows for decent DVD playback! The best part about it is it's only £15 ($20-ish). 👍

[@matthewclark4369]

Can you use the Mcbazel on the ps2 to play all ps1 games?

[@stevesstuff1450]

@@matthewclark4369 : Can't speak for 'all' PS1 games, but all those that I own (50+) have worked properly on my PS2s (slim and fat versions).

[@waynetemplar2183]

I connect PS1 via RGB SCART to Retrotink5x and PS2 via component to Retrotink5x and use the 1080p HDMI output on my flat panel LCD TV. However, my TV is old enough to have inputs for composite, RGB SCART and component as well as a couple of HDMI ports. I've connected both the PS1 and PS2 directly to the TV and the picture is great that way too. However, no way I'd called the Retrotink5x a 'budget' option

[@JoseAngel-fj3bq]

Hi! I am very confused about this topic... What would you choose to Connect ps1 to a LCD/LED TV? RGB SCART, RCA, or one of those ps1 HDMI cables? ( I am not considering retrotink or that cheap HDMI adapter)

[@aussiedrumnerd]

Rad2x plug n play cables made by retrotink. No lag and outputs RGB. The best plug n play solution.

[@GearsAndTech]

Slightly on the more expensive side. Plus I want hdmi to connect through my stereo. One way or another all my consoles have to end up on hdmi

[@Jellordgames]

On a side note, I have used that converter and it's great, but don't use a generic power supply for your PS2 because it will cause interference in the form of horizontal bands on the screen. Took me forever to realize this was the problem. Hope that saves someone some time.

[@GearsAndTech]

I'll keep that in mind

[@mellyk13]

Feel like I’ve been searching for this video for hours now!! You explained everything so well and gave outcomes of every situation. This has really helped and now I know how to sort my issue, Top man!

[@GearsAndTech]

Glad it was helpful!

[@emptyroomd9567]

I still have a decent flat screen with av ports

[@systemmonitor5295]

You're completely wrong about the PS2 To HDMI not working for PS1 games ON PS2. The issue is that the PS1 games switch outputs depending on what's being displayed, for example cutscenes or the inventory menu in Silent Hill. The device still works fine, but those resolution changes freak HDTVs out and cause a black screen or a signal loss for a few seconds, which makes something like Silent Hill impossible to play. A way around this is to use Free McBoot to force PAL or NTSC in the GSM settings.

[@GearsAndTech]

You're mostly right yes.

[@herrheynaerklarts1607]

Retroscaler 2x costs about 50 bucks, has component and S Video and looks stunning. They seem to use the same tech as Retrotink 2x.

[@robertbell1804]

I'm using a ps2 to hdmi adapter on my 4k tv for my ps2 and it looks so much better than the garbage component cables I was using

[@GearsAndTech]

True. Glad it's working good

[@divaofdecobling8040]

I as well have the ps2 to hdmi. It's ok but it's what I could afford it the moment. Just 1 question, I can not get my ps2 memory cards to work. Even the ps2 256mb that I have. Is it bcuz of the device or do you think its the console?

[@unrivaledWF]

I have a 50 inch TV and I use the PS2 to HDMI it works very well. I honestly don't think spending a ton more on cables is really worth it in terms of difference.

[@ElectroBlastLuigi]

3:19 Apparently, PS1 games were showing up (and are playable) when using that adapter but probably because I was using a widescreen/flatscreen TV that supports the adapter and 240p? I have other widescreen tvs in the house and none of the others work besides that one.

[@GearsAndTech]

Try flipping the widescreen switch over and back. I bet it works again Some tv's don't auto switch the display resolution, and the ps1 switches the output all the time when in menu or in game

[@ElectroBlastLuigi]

@@GearsAndTech Are you talking about the PS2 to HDMI adapter? It doesn't have a switch like the other adapter you've showed after the first one, if that's what you're referring to which I don't have sadly.

[@jeremyertel3409]

your a life saver dude

[@GearsAndTech]

Glad to help

[@FrontPorch]

hey thanks! this was a great help. there were just so many different cables out there and I didn't wanna gun for something that was a bust

[@GearsAndTech]

I tried a lot of them before I ended up with this one

[@mikhailvictor7271]

Guys, I have a question. When I play a Sony One game, most of it is dark. I can’t see anything. I went and adjusted the settings, but it didn’t help. What is the solution?

[@Martiin24]

Great Video! Still have one question , does the PS1 adapter work on a PS2 with PS1 game in it ? Greetings from Germany

[@Disionable]

I have been struggling with capture cards and adapters for my PS2 for a while now. I have tried two different capture cards and two different adapters and nothing quite hit the spot. I want to use my PS2 for both PS1 and PS2 games and play them on my screen using OBS. The cheap capture card kept changing the sound pitch, lowering it. The more expensive capture card, a Razer Ripsaw X, has excellent quality and none of the pitch problems. One adapter plugs straight into the PS2 and puts out HDMI. That one worked fine for PS2 games but PS1 games started scrolling vertically and I have no idea why. The other adapter is a box that takes the composite output of the PS2's original cable and then turns it into HDMI. That one works for both PS2 and PS1 but the quality is really blurry and PS1 games look dull in color and some parts flicker. After seeing the type of adapter you showed in the video on Amazon and seeing it in action here, I am absolutely ordering it. This is my last hope, I have had enough of jumping between adapters and capture cards. Thanks for the video, hope that adapter will fix the issues.

[@GearsAndTech]

Hope it helps. I know what you mean.

[@TheShowgirl25]

On a side note, to connect a N64 to your digital tv, you need a VHS recorder/player and also a RGB lead from a Gamecube.. Voila!

[@GearsAndTech]

That does work, but the cable I show in a different video skips the vcr and goes from n64 right into hdmi of tv

[@inderjeetuppal6462]

So what do you think is the best hdmi device for ps2? Reason is because I now own a Samsung led tv 24” only for retro games.

[@gabrielhaddad793]

Very good content, we need more people to share these experiences, it is much appreciated. Now I can ask you if you can do these tests on the PlayStation 3 since it has the same plugs to connect audio and video. I'll tell you that a lightning bolt struck me and killed the HDMI on the PlayStation 3 and only the other plug works. If you could, you would be a savior and an angel on earth. Greetings from Argentina.

[@GearsAndTech]

Sorry to hear about the lightning bolt. I would guess it'll work fine on ps3 as well

[@mnlyt2942]

All I want to do is play WWF Know Your Role and Crash Bandicoot, which do you guys recommend? Man I miss square tvs

[@jmadz9054]

Retrotink

[@TimelordUK]

So what is that unit like hooked up to a ps2 onto an HDTV? My TV is only 720p. Will it display ps2 and ps1 games properly on a ps2? How does it handle swapping from menu and in game inventory screens like the map in Silent Hill or your inventory in Res evil 1 and 2 and Dino Crisis??

[@GearsAndTech]

If you grab the cable in the description it will switch between the menus and resolution with no issue Depending on your tv you may get a flicker as it changes between the different outputs

[@szyslay]

Great video! :D the only mod from kaico that I need for my PS1 and 2! I am not interested in hdmi invasive mods. Will try to combine with my retrotink 4k

[@GearsAndTech]

Go for it!

[@ypesh]

Really helpful video!! Thanks and Subbed! 🎉

[@GearsAndTech]

Awesome, thank you!

[@Darodrian]

Great video! , just got my hands on a ps2 adapter and was thinking about getting one for my ps1 :D. Cheers!

[@GearsAndTech]

Glad I could help!

[@miketendopower]

Hi, just subbed. I was looking for reviews on this topic. Just got a ps2 today from a contest. Now i need a cable. I think levelhike should work fine. Thanks for the info. 🎉

[@GearsAndTech]

Glad I could help

[@forest3064]

Is there no adaptor that doesn't need external power? I have a Wii adaptor that does not require this, would be nice to have one for the PS1.

[@GearsAndTech]

None for the playstation that I have found. It depends if there is power built into the port on the system. In the case of ps1 there is no available power to use

[@forest3064]

@@GearsAndTech Ah I see, thanks for the quick reply! Is this the case for the PS one (the smaller PlayStation 1) as well?

[@jaymore9179]

@@GearsAndTech Very strange because various sources indicate pin 10 is +5v. Maybe not enough power.

[@OMW92]

So is it possible to play PS1 games on my PS2 without a PS1? HDMI adapter works fine on PS2 games. What cable/adapter should I buy so my TV can show 28Op?

[@GearsAndTech]

I was able to play my ps1 games on ps2

[@MadChristoph]

I used the Hyperkin cable, works on both consoles and has great quality

[@GearsAndTech]

Yes. Agreed

[@ArcZeroRed]

Is there any of these adapters that work for PlayStation 1 and Playstation 2 that has the best image quality you can get even if you have to spend 20 or 30 bucks on one of these adapters what's the best for PS1 and PS2 in a all-in-one adapter please do a video on it which one is the best quality

[@GearsAndTech]

Hyperkin linked in the description is best bang for your buck and works on both. There are better ones but they cost 3x more

[@70CIUCCIO]

only for ps1 what's the best adapter for exit on hdmi ?

[@YoungStevieBeats]

Do you need the rbg signal to be upgraded if you’re just using ps2?

[@boberkurick6375]

Thx for this video bro!) Благодарю!

[@GearsAndTech]

No problem

[@jamesscarborough77]

What are your thoughts on the Pound Link cable vs the LevelHike on a HDTV?

[@GearsAndTech]

I haven't done a lot of in depth testing of those two

[@jeffreydeclaro6845]

Wow! The Level Hike PSone to HDMI converter works great! I immediately bought one after watching your video. Thanks so much! 😊

[@GearsAndTech]

Great to hear!

[@QA_T]

@@GearsAndTech me pueden compartir el link para comprarlo

[@Strider-Ragnarok]

I got Level Hike adapter, which is same form factor as your recommended adapter. I got a Samsung QLED 75 (is the only TV I have) and the adapter is no good. It is very pixelated regardless of the settings I use, and it gets worse during gameplay. Now, I must consider that perhaps the adapter may have a size limit for the screen.

[@GearsAndTech]

75 is pretty big. You can only do so much with a low res image.

[@majorgear1021]

I’d get a component cable and a retrotink 2x pro or 5x. However, seeing a mClassic combined with a passthrough adapter would be interesting.

[@GearsAndTech]

I did mclassic review in a different video

[@AndyConwaySinger]

The one you recommended (Level Hike) is different than the Amazon link. Is the one in the link as good???

[@GearsAndTech]

Yes

[@larrykelbaughjr.1831]

Is there a simple setup, that doesn't require a PC? Just a straight-up plug-&-play!? For both consoles!

[@GearsAndTech]

Yes, the method shown does not require pc. I'm outputting to a pc monitor here, not connecting through a pc. You can plug this into your system and right into any hdmi display or TV

[@larrykelbaughjr.1831]

@@GearsAndTech Thank you very much!

[@larrykelbaughjr.1831]

@GearsAndTech I subscribed to your channel, by the way! & it was worth it!

[@joe.3d.character.animator]

Can i play with my G-con Lightgun on Ps2 in my modern Tv with this adaptors?

[@GearsAndTech]

Great question. I'm thinking no, but I have not tested

[@divyenjoshi1168]

No they need the curve reflections of CRTs as they rely on that, not infrared.

[@Brian-ausie]

Has onyone come up with a splitter or way to run 2 x TV's on multiple player games, I did hook 2 x TV's years ago but had to cover the top of one and the bottom of the other, my son was a good player with the James bond games and would cheat by knowing where I was hiding, my idea did work but a pain.

[@GearsAndTech]

No way to do what you're asking for

[@BrunoReis-pw9op]

with this HD cable, can i play PS1 games on PS2 in HDMI?

[@GearsAndTech]

it should work, yes

[@BrunoReis-pw9op]

@@GearsAndTech can you try? please?

[@F1reTiger]

Is levelhike cable only for ntsc ps2 consoles? My cable dont show all the picture on screen cutting out half. Under

[@GearsAndTech]

I only tried ntsc

[@sidneysiquara8961]

Nothing worked on my ps2 slim. If anyone here got that working on your new tv let me know what product you use.

[@GearsAndTech]

Make sure the settings in ps2 are correct.

[@Abusinessman_]

4:45 it can work only if you use gsm

[@Wicked_He_Bad]

This is good idea but for folks with pc I would just get ps2 ps1 emulator and control all the settings and play every game in any resolution and aspect ratio all power by ur PC!!! Even play 8 bit games and older and also u cn mod and use cheats on games so much more u cn do with all these old games

[@GearsAndTech]

Emulation is great and makes everything more excesible. I like having the correct form factor. For me it's about opening that lid and putting the game in. Then hearing it spin up and have the correct controller in my hand.

[@marcretro]

emulation can have issues..@@GearsAndTech

[@coolhairmikey]

do those also work on the HDMI outputs on Roku TVs? or do we need something different for that? got a PS1 recently and me and my buddy saw we can't hook it up to the Roku TV with the AV cords

[@GearsAndTech]

Yes. This will give you an hdmi signal and will connect to anything that has hdmi input. Including your smart tv

[@rickalbuquerque1205]

So the level hike is the best one?

[@GearsAndTech]

Price for dollars spent. There are better ones. But this is about as good as you'll get in the budget catagory I am enjoying the hyperkin one as well. Which is only a little more

[@ultraspinalki11]

I've heard very good things on PS1 adapter from RAD2X. Check that out as a potential alternative.

[@nelsonemanuelxa]

@gearsandtech please share the purchase link for the level hike adapter

[@derrickshowproductions3010]

​@@GearsAndTechI've been having a ton of problems with the hyperkin adapter Sometimes it wont show up on my TV at all and I just tried a PS1 game with my PS2 And there is no audio

[@ArcZeroRed]

Can you do a part 2 to this video compared different brands of cables only the ones that are for PS1 and PS2 only the best quality like level hike and kaico Y.D.F and pound only the $30 to $39 I see all these on Amazon

[@GearsAndTech]

I would love to. With such a limited budget I would need companies to donate the items for me to review

[@Kryspa7]

Hi! How does look the situation with the input lag, was it noticeable on the levelhike adapter? I'm currently playing Gran Turismo 1 & 2 on my old led tv which has RGB/Scart port and i'm using it for playing. Although depending if I set up 4:3 or 16:9 there is a significant change in the reactions I get from my inputs so from 16:9 I have to go to 4:3. And now because i'm planning to use a HDMI Adapter on my display instead of the TV which is also in my room where I got my PC, PS4 and any other things I would like to use it having good quality but also no input lag. My question is does the upscaling to 720p have a bad influence on the lag and does it also vary if I choose either 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratio because I could see myself playing full screen or 16:9 "maybe" but i'm also a little unsure if on 4:3 actually there would be still bigger lag than on the TV with 4:3 set on a RGB/Scart cable. I have a bit of dilemma because Kaico PS1/PS2 Adapter uses the RGB/Component switch and I think in case of at least PS1 it doesn't upscale, just clear and improve the image quality so it should not increase the lag with adding resolution. While the Levelhike the seller and some peoples reviews says that even with 720p upscale or the aspect ratios switch there is unnoticeable lag. Which of those HDMI Adapter should I use to have "not saying the best like on retrotink" but acceptable quality on both PS1/PS2 consoles while also not having any input lag. Could it be Levelhike, or maybe something like Kaico, Hyperkin would be a better option. Answer and help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance and nice video btw. 👍

[@GearsAndTech]

I didn't notice input lag. I played on 4:3 since that's true to format

[@Kryspa7]

@@GearsAndTech Thanks for answer. I consider buying the levelhike as I was thinking about it anyway 🙂👍 Happy New Year btw. 🎆

[@lindsaywilmoth3747]

How is the input lag while using those adapters?

[@GearsAndTech]

I presume there would be some, but it's been largely not noticeable or causing issues with gameplay

[@AnarickTheDevil]

I gave up on adapters and just make a backup of anything lower than ps3/xbox 360 and play upscaled on my pc.

[@GearsAndTech]

Something about original hardware though

[@fearlesslegend2073]

Help me plz i need something to make my ps2 looks better on my c1 tv ! I don't care about anything else but the graphics

[@christurner4878]

Try the RAD2x cables

[@GearsAndTech]

I would love to. They are so expensive though

[@Brick_Soup]

If my flatscreen has an AV port does it matter if i connect my playstation to HDMI or should i just use the AV port?

[@GearsAndTech]

A port will be low quality, but it'll work

[@Brick_Soup]

@@GearsAndTech good to know, thanks 👍

[@marcretro]

try component and play some games in 480p

[@user-fp6rn2km4i]

Did you test the "mini AVtoHDMI" converter?

[@GearsAndTech]

I have one of those for my nes That will never compare in quality to this one due to the difference in input signal

[@danaondrackova3431]

OOhhhhhh so even tho I have PS2 slim version, my monitor is not working, saying "no signal detected" so maybe I still need this bigger connector to make my monitor like the input. Thank you for help, I was at loss on why is it not working

[@GearsAndTech]

Let me know if it works

[@BrittanyShatto]

Have a 4k Sony Bravia TV and it can't handle the ratio switching from the hyperkin. Quite annoying for Silent Hill because opening and closing either the inventory or the map means I have to hit the switch. I can do the soldiering it takes for the more expensive luxury mods but I was hoping to not have to go that route

[@GearsAndTech]

I had a similar problem with my monitor Throw an mclassic on that and it'll solve the problem.

[@blkncutvibe1970]

Still getting that GREEN-ISH TINT on my Playstation 1 the first one classic with the audio /video ouputs on back! :( smh The game works/plays...I don`t know what to do??? .. And Ms PACMAN DOES NOT LOOK RIGHT GREEN!!! Grrrrr .... This SUCKS!!!

[@GearsAndTech]

One of your video lines are bad.

[@blkncutvibe1970]

@@GearsAndTech Found a video on youtube and fixed it,, Needed to change my RGB settings on Tv and Game ... now it works AWESOME with the LevelHike ! And Ms Pacman once again BEAUTIFUL and YELLOW! 😂 Lol

[@Progressive.G]

DON'T FORGET ABOUT RFU‼️😆😂✊

[@jaymore9179]

Great test thank you ! It reminds me to keep my SCART TV in a safe place ! I do not understand why adapters need an extra 5v power supply. The video out of the PS1 have a 5v output, HDMI 2.1b support also 5v pin (dont know if the monitor would be able to supply power to the adapter).

[@GearsAndTech]

Very true. I think it's a current draw thing. They don't want to overload the 5v bus

[@kipper2k]

get the Retrotink 5X pro, it will be all you need for all!!

[@GearsAndTech]

If money was no object then for sure

[@kipper2k]

based on cost of all the HDMI mods doing 2 consoles equal cost of a retrotink and more user friendly. I got peed off at cost of all these cables so i decided to do my own mod... i will paste a previous post.. (So i have created SCART adapters for SNES (NTSC), PS1, PS2, and Dreamcast so far, you will just need a good quality HDMI cable to sit in the middle (Spend as much as you want for the HDMI quality) Just because it may be expensive doesn't mean that it is good. I will release the files once all tested. Adapters are not to be sold commercially without permission.@@GearsAndTech

[@PrezidentHughes]

Future video about M-Classic but none for Retrotink ?

[@GearsAndTech]

Retrotink is just so much out of reach for the casual collector. Plus, no hdmi support.

[@PrezidentHughes]

Would the Rad2x compare well with the M-Classic? Similar price, no? Only problem with the Rad2x is extra costs as it looks like it needs a Mini HDMI cable.

[@GalacticAnderson]

The hyperlink and levelhike seem very similar for a similar price. Is one preferable over the other?

[@GearsAndTech]

I'm currently using the hyperkin. It's been more stable

[@BigBoss89189]

This should help with that Hind D battle in Metal Gear Solid. Its hard to see with current settings. I would have to switch to AV cable for PSone from my PS2 hdmi adapter which is similar to the one you showed.

[@GearsAndTech]

Yeah. Should help

[@BigBoss89189]

@GearsAndTech Thanks. I just got in today via Amazon. I got the (Hyperkin) for PS2. Instructions were easy to switch around. Looks better with this style than PS3 upscaling the PSone games. Tested on PS1 game Resident Evil 3 Nemesis Tested on PS2 game Resident Evil Outbreak File 2

[@joe241able]

No adapter will give true hd

[@jamesgross4464]

The rad2x is a great option.

[@GearsAndTech]

I've been meaning to try it out

[@ezydenias8505]

oh nice multiple devices that did not work for my playing ps1 games on my ps2, or just using my ps2 in generall. All devices of this kind I tried, and I tried many, broke after 10 minutes and just destroyed the picture quality. And I had it on the fat and the slim one!.

[@GearsAndTech]

This one worked good for me

[@85fabricio]

Retrotink 4k scart or/and component

[@GearsAndTech]

Not exactly cheap though

[@qrsimon]

Any eu solutions?

[@GearsAndTech]

I don't have one of them so hard to make a recomendation. Sorry

[@TheRealMrPeach]

If your best solution involves a mClassic, it sucks.

[@GearsAndTech]

I agree

[@mrsacky]

I feel like this video is like 10 years behind, there has been so many advances in retro gaming to HDMI solutions that I wouldn’t even recommend anything in this video.

[@GearsAndTech]

There are better products, but most are not an easy plug and play solution

[@patxs]

at least this video doesn't exclusively recommend items that cost $200, there's already enough of those videos out there but i just want something cheap

[@iris089]

Like what?

[@mrsacky]

@@iris089 the retrotinks, ps1digital/pixelfx retrogem, morph in a few months and even an ossc.

[@elwinroyale]

Could give examples

[@DaveDoc1984]

Oh HELL no... Kaico Adapter is NOT the way to go! It produces a soft video output as it doesn't know how to "Process" the signal it receives from either Console correctly. The Pound PS2 HDMI Cable is the same junk as this! They use Cheap RGB to HDMI converter boards in them! Just use good quality RGB Scart Cables and an OSSC.... That is the best way if you don't want to buy and install a PS1Digital (or equivalent Device).....

[@GearsAndTech]

Great feedback.

[@Oliverbutapplebest]

Get a convert box

[@GearsAndTech]

Those work too

[@PROSTO4Tabal]

Man, you live in medieval times? These are all laggy cheap worthless cables. Best for ps1 is budget rad2x or ossc and best retro gem or retrotink 5x

[@GearsAndTech]

Need an hdmi solution though

[@gokhancoskun2056]

too much bla bla bla...

[@GearsAndTech]

Sorry man, I like to share more details than you wanted

[@gokhancoskun2056]

@@GearsAndTech anyway good video

[@Mafiabossman]

I got a cable that converts it to hdmi on my 60 inch tv but the games look so bad it’s blurry

[@GearsAndTech]

The cable likely is using the composite signal to switch to hdmi. You need a different cable and it will be more clear

[@Mafiabossman]

@@GearsAndTech so I need composite cables wires the ones with wee golden cords on them ? Thnkz for info

[@williamfranklin860]

My Xstation PS1 with Memcardpro is on a CRT (and looks amazing,) but that TV will probably die, at some point. I think I will need to add HDMI to my PS1, eventually. Currently, I am on disc 2 of FF7.

[@GearsAndTech]

I made it to disk 2 then got lost driving around in a submarine trying to figure out what to do next

[@sandyrella8158]

The majority of people are playing on the tv not a monitor .

[@GearsAndTech]

Yes that's true. The method shown works for tv as well