The Big 12 Will be More Viable in the Future Than it is Today | Big 12 conference | Mack Rhoades

[@tedhumphrey9983]

Imma a Sooner fan and I'm going to sat this. The big12 championship game drawerd 8.7 million viewers with OK St and Baylor if that continues you will be fine. TV projections on money for the big 12 are sounding pretty good 43 to 50 mil per team is what I'm hearing. Sounds like the Big 12 is going to be fine.

[@zilladthrilla]

Need USF and CSU. Rivalries. Plus the 3+5+5 scheduling model.

[@d5terps543]

Well done Big12. The best may yet be ahead.

[@haydenjohnson1520]

The best big 12 was before 2012. Anyone who says otherwise is insane.

[@dacokc]

@@haydenjohnson1520 would only have been better in 2012 if UT left the conference and we just invited TCU and kept NU, CU, aTm, MU…

[@readyinkc]

@@dacokc perfectly stated!

[@CatsClaw44]

The Big 12 is getting its house in order QUICKLY. Definitely excited!

[@jeffwatson68]

No fan wants college football to turn into semi pro football 🏈. We do want a few protected rivalries and to play all teams on a more frequent basis, like the 3-6 model. The “north” schools need a south rival to not be disadvantage, like KSU having TCU as a rival to match their regular daily flight to and from Dallas. Other rivals would be KU, ISU and maybe one other. Still like the idea of flexible schedule and someone figuring out how they play a league championship tournament with the top four teams. With four teams in the tournament there will be so much more interest, double double, up to the final week seeing who is going to make the tournament.

[@petechau9616]

I hear ya but no body wants to see the schools and NCAA executives sign million dollar contracts off the players whose only compensation is a scholarship. The scholarship at best is about 100,000 dollars for a four year ride and its renewable on a yearly basis. Basically the school can cut you after one year without cause. The NIL evens the playing field some.

[@jeffwatson68]

@@petechau9616 players should get compensated. I just want to see rules added to bring this sport closer to parity vs it always being the same ten teams and no one else.

[@shelter9236]

I don't mind compensation like getting a job if they want or getting paid for commercials, but making thousands of dollars to go to another school like you're a pro being traded then no to that, they need to iron out rules because this will create a huge division of the haves vs. the have nots. The fans and donors are already footing the bill on scholarships so you can't dump the NIL on them too. I don't want college sports turning into a minor pro subsidiary of the NFL, NBA and other sports and yes, the women are gonna get even more screwed in this as well unless they ramp up the scholarships for them.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

Thus the addition of Colorado and Utah would be beneficial for the North.

[@gregoryldismukes]

This is a fact the Big 12 will shine without Texas and OU, but I think the Big 12 should target Colorado, SMU, and Memphis.

[@haydenjohnson1520]

Yes, add even more shitter schools.that’ll for sure make the big 12 better. 😂

[@1185AspAve]

Did you really just say both those things in the same sentence? Split em up and I could maybe agree with one of em.

[@haydenjohnson1520]

@@1185AspAve Colorado ain’t been decent since 2016. Smu got beat by Cincinnati an only has a good offense as of recently from OU transfers. Memphis is Memphis. A G5 school just like SMU. You wanna make the big 12 better? Then add P5 teams not G5 teams. Simple.

[@gregoryldismukes]

@@1185AspAve here comes the third grade teacher. Shut up.

[@1185AspAve]

@@haydenjohnson1520 I was comment on orig post not on your comment. Were making the same point lol. You DID have more than one sentence lol. Unless you just mistagged me which is understandable.

[@mathewbryant9549]

WVU is on 🔥🔥🔥🔥 with recruiting for ‘23… in the top 15 for rankings

[@robertmccoin1166]

LOL. The Big12 is "Whistling past the Graveyard".

[@mattreedah]

There needs to be a commissioner and an agreement on conferences, NIL, referees, etc.

[@Tijuanabill]

Of course it will be more viable for the teams that had no chance of winning with OU here.

[@markmidkiff7048]

I dont agree. Adding a ton of teams outside that on average are outside the top 30 to 40 and are only competitive 1 out of every 4 to 5 years aren't going to make the Big 12 viable. There's not even any real big rivalries within the conference play anymore.

[@anthonygillum6401]

Big 12 needs to create a fan base in Europe. The NFL has done their homework....beat other conferences to it...you can't gain anymore t.v. set here.

[@gidnik]

absolutely laughable. there is no circumstance where the big 12 would be even close to where they were before texas and ou left

[@jamesbenoit5252]

Lol. Nah.

[@sarahmccoy1941]

Let’s see how the conference looks once Oklahoma and Texas are gone.

[@bronzeguy9839]

Texas won’t have to worry about losing to Kansas anymore. 😂

[@michaelcatlett1721]

It will look like trash

[@bronzeguy9839]

Lol yeah a #2 Oklahoma barely beating Tulane by 5 points when they should have crushed them and Texas losing to Kansas again doesn’t look like trash. They’re going to be the Nebraska of the SEC. 😂

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

IMO the rest of the country couldn’t care about ISU, KU (except basketball), KSU and possibly OSU. They do care about TX schools and the new schools. B12 needs to seriously look at expanding west and becoming a 16 team coast-to-coast P5 conference if they can make the TV contract work.

[@haydenjohnson1520]

Baylor an Oklahoma st are the best teams. Oklahoma state not only creates the best viewership out of the teams remaining but has been 2nd In the big 12 for the last 10 years 😂

[@haydenjohnson1520]

If the big12 expanded west then Wv would move to the aac

[@MalexWilsonIV]

@@haydenjohnson1520 what??? Lol

[@dacokc]

@Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT typical KU fan not understanding that football is about quality vs quantity when it comes to TV broadcasting.. I guess you probably also think Royals baseball is more valuable than Chiefs football when it comes to TV money just because there’s more games..

[@readyinkc]

@@dacokc I'm a Kansas fan here and yes we have great basketball...better than any of you guys. It's our culture. We've been good at it for a hundred years. Respect that. Football will be good again at KU. We're working on it. But stop the BS talking about another KU fan that doesn't understand. You don't have any better insight and your Football school hasn't achieved the greatness of our basketball caliber. Give us some time and we'll beat whatever team you cheer for. After all we beat Texas last year and will probably do it again this year. Patience

[@talon5368]

Any conference not named the SEC is in danger, particularly the B12 and P12. College football is a cutthroat business and money is everything. Whether we like it or not, the SEC controls college football and has for over a decade. If the SEC, does split from the NCAA, the other P5 conferences and the G5s will be even less valuable.

[@jw6241]

ESPN controls college football, not the SEC.

[@shelter9236]

The thing it, it never was to be about money now was it...and that has or will ruin college athletics. The $EC needs to be a minor pro conference for the pro sports, they already are.

[@shelter9236]

@@jw6241 I beg to differ, they go hand in hand.

[@purplehaze9793]

If the Sec were to split I don't think it will go as well as you think. College football is regional. Not everyone likes the SEC.

[@fordfastback8112]

@@purplehaze9793

[@randalphmiller82]

Yes, they will be more valuable than now.....but the gap in value between them and the better conferences will be significantly widening .

[@CatsClaw44]

Another stupid post. People like you said the Big 12 wasn't P5. Then they weren't good. Now they're behind "better" conference. Basically you're whining because the Big 12 is flourishing.

[@yellowmartian]

The new commissioner better not be Hair Thompson.

[@mizzou1016]

I hope the big 12 survives due to the bball tourney being in Missouri.

[@bryanjones8778]

The T-Mobile Center is just over the state line in KC. It's not like it is in Columbia or St. Louis, MO. KC is a good city to host the Tourney, IMO.

[@johnclaytor9365]

Lol nope. Come on now , your out of your mind if you think your best two schools fucking out, and no other conference wanting any of the remaining schools is "a good thing". Breakups are hard. 😕

[@residentgomez]

THE BEST? OU is good but UT has been a loser for a while. Not just talking football either, OK maybe softball they're still good.

[@johnclaytor9365]

@@residentgomez Oklahoma and Texas are your best sports teams hands down, not just football. Also your biggest ( not even close) fan bases and money bags are leaving. There is 0 ways to spin this as being a good thing.

[@kurtsaxton823]

The recruiting aspect alone, if half the five star recruits that are interested in a big 12 school already end up at OU or UT now they have a chance being at one of those schools in the SEC. How can that help the big12 ?

[@alfredmatthews1746]

texas has sucked for a few years now...nobody cares about them. one of the most overrated programs in college sports.

[@kurtsaxton823]

@@alfredmatthews1746 but just like every other team that has one of Nick saban's ex coaches they'll be fine.

[@redleg1971]

I gotta disagree. With ZERO blue blood football programs in the conference once Texas and OU leave for the SEC, their status as a Power 5 conference will be precarious at best. Adding BYU, Houston, Cincinnati and UCF does not come close to equaling Texas and Oklahoma football, regardless of the fact that Longhorn football is down right now. The other four Power conferences have geographical continuity in their favor. WVU has never been a true fit for the Big XII, and is better suited to be in the ACC. In fact, of the new schools coming into the Big XII, Houston is the only geographical fit. It's very expensive to send teams across the country to play a game, especially large teams like football. Not to mention that Cincy and UCF do not have a long tradition of strong football programs. Their success is more recent, and likely to fade over time once their competition level increases. There is no way Cincy should have been in the CFP last season. They were clearly outmatched vs Georgia. I see the Big XII going the way of the Big East, eventually. The other four Power conferences will want to gobble up other members of the Big XII, much like the SEC getting UT and OU, to try and keep up with the SEC through expansion, which will de-stabilize the Big 12 and lead to their collapse. Cincy, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, and Oklahoma St could all end up in the Big Ten, Texas Tech and BYU could go to the Pac-12, while WVU and UCF might become members of the ACC. No one wants the other members. Either way, once Texas and OU leave for the SEC, the Big XII will be the weakest Div 1 college football conference.

[@brian2440]

What does it say about the sport that you value a program that hasn’t been relevant in over a decade over 4 teams that have made the Top 10 in the last 6 years…..

[@bigbuffguy9589]

The ACC will collapse in 10-15 years and will quickly fall behind due to their terrible TV deal. The Pac-12 may collapse in the next year or so. There is just no way that USC, Florida State, Miami and Clemson (and Oregon, I guess, though they're not on the same level as the others) are going to be okay with making so much less money than the big brands in the SEC and Big Ten.

[@redleg1971]

@@bigbuffguy9589 10 to 15 years?! How in the hell can you possibly know that that far out? Even if it did, the Big 12 will be long gone by then, or it won't be considered a Power conference any more. It's kinda important to have a blue blood or two in football in your conference. It's got something to do with that whole respectability thing. The ACC and the Pac-12 can re-negotiate their deals to prevent a collapse or exodus, especially if USC, FSU and Clemson lead the way. Bottom line is, the Big XII is in Big trouble!

[@redleg1971]

@@brian2440 It's called playing the long game. Because eventually, as much as I hate to say it, Texas will be a Top Ten program again. Cincy and UCF are flash in the pans, and Houston's fan base is miniscule when compared to bigger schools (and yes, that's important). All four will decline once their competition level increases. You could say the same thing for Texas and OU once they join the SEC, but it won't be as lasting. Their recruiting will help them recover and acclimate much more easily.

[@brian2440]

@@redleg1971 You seem to forget that Cincinnati and Houston historically played in power conferences…..

[@nathannelson3861]

Lolz and Ukraine can defeat Russia on its own... Lol when Oklahoma State is your premier team the the conference is definitely not better off... Loosing ou and tehas is like the pac 12 loosing USC and Oregon... Nahh can't loose your 2 biggest teams and be better lol

[@adrianjones7987]

When Baylor is your best money maker in the conference thats not good at all come on bro be real with yall self yall are at the bottom right now

[@johnclaytor9365]

100% .

[@joewoods5775]

Still 18 to 20 million less than OU and Texas will gain the 1st year they join the SEC. And the amount the Big 12 receives will be considerably less as you will find out the true value of their brands.The truth is BYU is the only Brand that will add anything to their TV deal. The hard line the Big 12 is holding the teams to will come back to haunt them.

[@jamesbrann935]

The SEC ratings are not going to come close to being as good as they're projecting...regional pride will take over and the rest of the nation will tune them out, as well as no interest in so many teams with four or five losses... The other conferences will get off the mat and make their programs more vibrant and will increase viewers...also there will be numerous "Boycott the SEC" movements sweeping across the nation...it's already being talked about

[@joewoods5775]

@@jamesbrann935 just wait and see the Big 10 just signed a 1 billion dollar TV deal . What do you think the new more powerful SEC's will be huh

[@ganjean4209]

@@jamesbrann935 Exactly! "Boycott the SEC" I haven't watched an SEC game since they announced Alabama vs LSU rematch in the championship however many years back that was.

[@jamesbrann935]

@@joewoods5775 It's a huge country and every region has their "preferreds"...the threat of losing it all to this television based monstrosity, SEC or Big 10, will prompt all the other athletic depts to get off their @sses and fight back...I predict a combo of improved product on the field, improved promotion of that product, and aggressive social media and sports talk radio fueled boycotts of both the games and their advertisers...

[@joewoods5775]

@@jamesbrann935 that sounds good in theory but I've been following the Big 12 when it was the Big 8 and saw one evidence of anybody other than the very top doing anything but the minimum . That's why the Sooners and the Longhorns are gone. I think Baylor, Oklahoma State, and BYU, are hustlers and trying to improve but the rest are stuck in neutral.

[@bluefalcon1674]

Sorry but the B12 isn't relevant without OU If I were making the deal I'd insist yall keep Texas though

[@haydenjohnson1520]

Texas is only relevant. Because their name is Texas. They’ve been 4th IN The big 12 for the last 10 years. They’ve averaged 7 wins since ,09

[@shadowguest7060]

OU can kick rocks 😂

[@haydenjohnson1520]

@Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT you a Kansas fan I can Tell 😂

[@shawnm7614]

OU isn't relevant couldn't make it to B12 title game and got coach poached like a G5.

[@haydenjohnson1520]

@@shawnm7614 you say this as they came off winning 6 conference titles in a row? State facts instead of your emotions in hating Oklahoma. I’m a Ok state fan an it’s pretty obvious Oklahoma is relevant an has been since the 60s

[@dariusrucker7854]

Baylor needs to try and steal Tim Tadlock. Waco is way better than Lubbock, our stadium is nicer and the fans are better.

[@derwake1]

Waco is not better than Lubbock. What’s the best thing about Waco? Most people literally say leaving to go to Dallas. Lubbock is wayyyyyyy better than Waco…and Texas Tech fans are so much better. The closest airport to Waco is Dallas, so it takes an hour and half of driving after the airport just to get on campus. Lubbock has an international airport 20 mins from the University.

[@dariusrucker7854]

@@derwake1 Is Lubbock really that much bigger than Waco?

[@jw6241]

Waco and Lubbock equally suck.

[@pepperlewis1]

The two biggest and best teams are leaving, you are no longer relevant.

[@David-wt5hf]

Okay, Colby Hetherington

[@william6521]

Texas hasn’t been relevant lately

[@shawnm7614]

biggest money schools TX isn't top 25 on field and OU not top 10 anymore. OU got coach poached like a G5

[@justinkiggins3106]

Neither one if which won the B12 title last year. Texas hasn't been relevant since 2005. OU...lost their coach, time will tell if Venables will be good at OU. I don't see OU making any noise in the SEC.

[@bryanjones8778]

And OU and UT will no longer be relevant as they become just two more faces in the SEC crowd. As for proof, look at Mizzou and Texas A&M, not to mention Nebraska in the Big Ten and Colorado in the Pac-12. Faces in the crowd, nothing special.

[@92Foxbody5.0]

Add NDSU you cowards

[@yellowmartian]

I'd rather add New Mexico State...

[@92Foxbody5.0]

@@yellowmartian Weber State would thrash NMSU in football

[@blackwind6317]

Lol so he admitted tx and ou out in 2023

[@CatsClaw44]

No he didn't. He said that they will look at the 2023-24 and 24-25 seasons but by the 2025 season they will be at 12 meaning they will be at 14 until the 2025-2026 season.

[@aaronlovell6026]

The SEC is ready to move on this. OU and Texas will have an SEC schedule next year. And honestly the big 12 just wants to move on to. Another 3 seasons won't help the situation.

[@jeffwatson68]

Texass and OU each owe the league around $160 million to leave early. I could see the league willing to take around $250 million or an extended new media deal the same as the ACC’s deal with ESPN to let them go earlier.

[@mikebarr6261]

@@jeffwatson68 actually they will each owe 80 million when they leave. If they want to go early then the price shoots way up to buy back their grant of rights.

[@jeffwatson68]

@@mikebarr6261 yeah around $160 to leave two years early. Would you want that or a long term deal with ESPN equal to their deal with the ACC?