The Big Picture - Reservation : Who Will Benefit?

On the last day of the winter session of the Lok Sabha, the BJP-led government on Tuesday tabled a constitutional amendment bill to provide 10 per cent reservation in jobs and higher education to economically backward sections among the upper castes. The Union Cabinet, headed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, had approved the Constitution (One Hundred and Twenty Fourth Amendment) Bill on Monday. Now that it has been passed in the Lower House, the Bill will be moved in the Rajya Sabha on Wednesday - the winter session has been extended by a day for members in the Upper House. The Bill needs to be passed by a special majority of two-thirds of members present in each House, not less than half the strength in both. Following this, it will have to be ratified by at least half of the state legislatures. It will also have to face legal challenges if any. On this edition of the big picture we analyse the Constitution 124th Amendment Bill.
Anchor- Frank Rausan Pereira
Guest-
Ashok Tandon, Senior Journalist
J. Sai Deepak, Advocate, Supreme Court
P. K. Malhotra, Former Secretary, Ministry of Law, GoI

[@n3bw724]

Whenever Sai speaks, I slowdown the video to normal.😅

[@manojchavan6095]

I also

[@bibekkmr5510]

same here

[@GirGujaratBharat]

Me too

[@Shahbaz7771khan]

Me 2

[@prajaktagaikwad5433]

How 2 do it. I mean is it option only for PC or for mobile also coz m using mob

[@donbuddha8341]

If 8L /year is criteria for poverty ,then i think India's poverty line should be changed

[@anandarupguin2927]

this reservation is not for poor but for middle class....hope you heard Mr Tandon.

[@Shekhar-ji4dv]

Anandarup Guin then rename it to economically middle section not economically weaker section

[@anjangogoi1513]

You were ahead of time!!!

[@mathographia1726]

Now talent and merit left with 40 seats to Compete.

[@Himanshu.Harleyx440]

Yes no value for merit in front of this idiots politicians

[@Ask35720]

Yeah

[@jatindangayach3670]

@raj wants never ends but is constitution allows them?

[@JagdishKumar-yj5qd]

Why Reservation ......Instead of giving reservation provide them free coaching and personality development programs. ... Reservations is just sucking our country's growth ... our mentality is still backward

[@leks1474]

Exactly.. Not every socially bkwd is poor or unaffordable to apy laks for getting into a training pgmme by private institutions.. And not every general candidate can afford for a good coaching.. So leave the idea of reservation altogether and improve skills.. Also conduct exams fairly

[@Kim-jo8px]

It's a shame we are giving reservations after 70 years....we need universal education.

[@upanidesh]

Your idea seems right but our country cannot afford such huge expenditure. Also free coaching means govt has to interfere, leading to lesser revenue for these coaching institutes and finally destruction of free economy concept. Although reservation is again against a free economy, but in the present scenario it seems right, but should have a stringent sunset clause.

[@9658253406]

Simply we indians feel good by doing cheap things..we indians cheap..

[@San-iq6gz]

Ideal but not practical

[@bharathn8895]

How can Sai Deepak remember such minute intricacies in the laws, what a memory..

[@nehadokrimare4170]

You are right

[@harpreets5710]

Advocate J sai Deepak is an excellent speaker and treasure of knowledge 👍

[@jitendrajha9199]

J.Sai Deepak conveys in a great manner.

[@cricketkedewane8362]

J sai Deepak ur the future CJI One day I see u there 😊👍

[@anyao2933]

Nahi hoga

[@kiranprasad7902]

Economic? How will you ..When the income is not consistent being 95% informal sector.

[@sushainupadhyay4192]

businessmen earning lakhs monthly, are good in manipulating figures.. and thus the beneficiaries... black day

[@jeeshithasampangi2042]

now few businessmen will show wrong accounts and get benefitted as there was more informal sector .... it is hard to categorise and justify the criteria

[@abhisheksrivastava4236]

I am fed up of such kinds of reservations..... 50% total reservations already existed for SC,ST'S,OBC AND Reserved ones.This was not enough and there is again 10% reservation.... I mean why so must injustice towards medium class general cateogories..... AT LEAST WHY NO ONE IS THINKING OF NATIONAL INTEREST.... IT'S IN THE FAVOUR OF NATIONAL INTEREST THAT MORE QUALIFIED AND SKILLFUL PERSONS CAN GET THE DESIRED POSTS AND SEATS EVERYWHERE.... THESE POLITICIANS NEED GENERAL CATEOGORY DOCTORS,ENGINEERS AND SKILLFUL SERVICEMEN FOR THEIR USE BUT ARE NUMBER ONE IN GIVING RESERVATIONS FOR POLITICAL INTERESTS......I MEANS ITS A SELFISH WIN WIN SITUATION FOR POLITICIANS.....

[@mathographia1726]

It's only for the benefit of political parties not for country..it's a big game behind reservation.

[@PurnenduSabar]

Because they have to win the election and nothing else

[@shrisatishkumar1063]

IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS.

[@smartaspirant]

Didn't you hear Mr Tondon ? He clearly mentioned SC , STs and obc consist of 70% of population but the reservation is just 50%... the rest of 50% are clearly 'reserved' for general people, but that's the case only when you see it that way... Secondly, 10% reservation covers 95% of the population !! Still 40% remains, that being said, there's no provision like that those who've applied for the cap of 10% quota won't be able to get a seat outside of it!! It simply means, 30% of population is ruling 50% of seats!!! You know what it means, means that there should be 70% reservation for SC ST and OBCs... That's how there can be fair play...!!!

[@anandarupguin2927]

it is for MIDDLE CLASS.

[@shwetanagarkoti7980]

"while historical injustice can form the basis for affirmative actions on the basis of caste based prejudice or social parameters as well, time has come for the court, executive of the government to start thinking of other reasons for backwardness including economic backwardness because the goal of reservation is to address the distress community"

[@nehadokrimare4170]

Yes

[@sherrysharad]

Noted Advocate Nani Palkiwala said during the Indira Sawney judgement, that it will cement castism in India. Now this will cement classism in India. Reservation of caste seems to have no sun set clause. Now this will go down the same road.

[@info-fatafat]

J. sai deepak you are awesome 👏✊👍

[@snr5950]

As always Mr J Sai Deepak is bang on informative n educative in his assertions. Salutes sir.

[@michaelscott3190]

Why they dont have reservation for Cabinet! Why not have reservations for PM as well and President.

[@shanaya545]

who told you so ? If you dont know,there are ministers in the cabinet from minority groups as well. Without reservation. And the man who wrote the constitution? (a dalit as well). Well, you should first read how PM and prezi are elected.

[@lvrox04]

Such a great panel comprising of all the intellects. It feels so good to watch such debates.

[@saivikranthdeshpande8503]

J.Sai Deepak sir has immense knowlege

[@MrutyunjayJoshi]

Adv. J. Sai Deepak is Really one of the best panelist ever seen on any RSTV Debate.

[@anichuraliprodhani8554]

I feel it's one of the best debate I ever heard ...all points are discussed very precisely and explicitly ...

[@SirAvinaash]

Very informative and useful debate. Thanks Rajan and Deepak

[@varsharajput4166]

J. Sai Deepak. I get happy and hopeful whenever I see him in the panel. When he spoke he laid down the whole case clearly on table for everyone to see. Such articulation, clarity and reason.

[@chaitanyarathod8660]

THANK YOU

[@savin1999]

By far the best debates I watch on this channel

[@madhushekharc6708]

Well and matured level of discussion...

[@chanakyamishra1303]

Lots of thanks...to Rajyasabha TV... Special thanks to Mr. Pereira

[@tg-qy9mp]

Best productive debate in the dawn of the new year.

[@2divyanshu]

Fantastic debate!

[@priyanka_dubey]

J Sai Deepak you are my favourite ❤️

[@pragyakushawaha694]

Ab general wale kaise kahenege ki reservation hatao 😂😂😂😂😂 Ab general me bhi category Ho Jayega upper general middle general lower general 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sushainupadhyay4192]

Politicians are so cruel that they created divisions in general category, there will never be unity.

[@lifecaptured5295]

Wonderful debate Frank... Keep going... Luv RSTV♥️

[@vikrantparmar7708]

sai deepak....spoke elegantly

[@MrSelva40]

Good discussion. I still have some doubts. There is no exclusive state lists for general category castes in many states. If an economically weaker candidate of general category wants to apply for a job under state public service commission what is the requirements he/she has to qualify.

[@jayeshagrawal9472]

The current legislation is for the reservation in central services and educational institutions. So the some criteria won't be applicable to the states, for state services and educational institutions one will have to go through as to what states may specify.

[@clarkent7574]

Great video.

[@rockym7135]

Which country has easy immigration possible from India? Please give information!

[@aravindcarter]

Pakistan

[@futureca2632]

Canada

[@SUNILPATEL-sr3kv]

Yepp, thats the only solution, Its that bad but everybody is thinking about themselves. Nobody is thinking about removing reservation.

[@rockym7135]

@@SUNILPATEL-sr3kv The unreserved people are minority. OBC is large people satisfied with atleast some reservations and now 10% poor of EWS., The worst affected will be salaried class. No one will bother who Are less value to them in electoral politics😂!

[@rathisingh3905]

So question of merit, effieciency in service etc is no more. who earn 8 lakh is Poor.Hypocrite!!!

[@afakirinjannat4971]

Give 100% reservation or completely scrap the reservation system. It really sucks. It is used to appease certain section people for vote bank. Go for full or null.

[@babyk9458]

Saideepak, Done n dusted!

[@Enlightenwithshubham]

Great discussion with wise people Thanx rajya sabha

[@manishakumari6378]

J.Sai Deepak makes discussion colourful in all aspects of the topic.Very nice 😃

[@jyotilakhera243]

A very good debate👍

[@SujitKumar-cj7hi]

where does reservation solves the issue of financial backwardness. Imagine a situation where a student who is financially backward and he clears an examination and goes in a wonderful univrsity, now how does he pays the fees at a time where government is busy privatising things and giving huge autonomy to government universities.

[@maheshkumar7988]

Thanks all panelists and staffs of rstv

[@prashantpandey5622]

dirty politics, it is a cancer

[@TheCitizen23]

It's disgusting. Those who were for meritocracy are asking for reservations. And in our country 30% people live below poverty line and can barely earn 3000 INR per month but people with 65000 INR per month are considered poor. Pathetic!

[@anonymous_channel]

I think there are alot of complications and this is going to increase the competition very much

[@user-gn8zt2zx2i]

This will not change competition at all..it just help poor general a bit..

[@devbhoomifarmdelight8350]

Special Thanks to Mr. Sai Deepak, you are awesome. I guess there won't be any significant change in Competition level because >95 % people are falling under eligibility criteria, rather it would just make the 10% unreserved seats unavailable for depressed classes( SC, ST, OBC, and others) who used to clear General list. But definitely its going to pave a way for economic considerations as far as Reservations are concerned.

[@misternobody6798]

But isn't EWS open for all categories?

[@Unknown-fi2ij]

I love listening English debates.i hope it'd help me to improve my English 🙃😉

[@omkarnath5461]

It's a welcome step for those who are economically not empowered ...but There is need of more debate and discussion in the country before implementation.

[@vivayk]

Who else is here only for Sai Deepak?

[@DevyaniPatil333]

the concluding remarks of j sai deepak :)

[@mridulborah4505]

Irrespective of caste economically backwards are also socially backward.

[@sathwik98]

The property cost can be high, that cannot fetch monthly income or raise standard of living or provide jobs or education merit seats. A home below 1000sqft in bangalore is not going to fetch a large amount

[@varunrathi8664]

Hi, Guys I have a doubt at time 6:09-6:10 J Sai Deepak talked about article 15(6) and article 16(6) but i have been looking for these in PM bakshi the constituion of india I can't find article 15(6) or 16(6).............Can please someone tell me what are these.....????

[@Heynaina14]

Ashok Tandon sir nailed it.

[@hansamewade4725]

i m big fan of mr. frank 😊

[@Amarappa-zd1eq]

J sai deepak👌👌

[@gauravraj5163]

Well I think the income cap is kept a bit high as still the needed ones have to compete roughly with 1.2 bn out of 1.25 bn which changes almost nothing.

[@anandkumar42874]

The conditions of sc/st is still deplorable.Only minimal percentage of its population raised upto the benchmark kept for EWS reservation.All things are political gimmick to woo the uppercaste voters in the backdrop of NDA-1 failures in runnings the government in every front.🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@saikummar864]

jail SAI deepak is my favorite speaker

[@bondjames0077]

he said that the price of a plot is higher in the urban area than rural area but the cost of living is also higher in the urban area

[@divyanshuchauhan9922]

Should have given 40% to economically backward people as they know the ground realities. Anyways who cares about efficiency of the institution. P.S: time to leave India

[@vamsikrishna-jg4lw]

how is that even remotely practical???? rich becomes poor and poor becomes rich in a matter of time and dont forget india is not a country of 100 people it is a nation of 120 crore....so within 1-2 years rich will get reservation jus like now

[@pk13066]

only important point is that in indira sahwney vs union of india 50 % cap imposed was only on caste based reservation, and not on other criteria. topic close

[@sushainupadhyay4192]

why govt. being so cruel..? how will so much people will compete for so much less seats..? this is a big blow... govt has divided the general category into two groups.. now no one will ever oppose reservations.. and no one will try to abolish it ever in future... this is cruelty... there would had been no issue, had it been between below 50%... but it is black day for us...:(

[@ashuu3]

Mister, more than 90% Indians have been covered under the bill. I like this bill but need to pass before the june 2019 so I seek reservation . If you don't like this bill than tell the government that they need to build schools just like IIT for the poor. The children of rich born with silver spoon that is why they get top class education. Now time has come for the poor to stick together. Give us level playing field before college then we support for the end of all reservation.

[@sushainupadhyay4192]

@@ashuu3 you want reservation at school level, then at college level, then in jobs, then in promotion in jobs, then for seniority in job... What the hell you want ? No, everyone aren't born with silver spoon, their parents do hardwork... And what about other 40% ? How they'll survive in so much tough competition ?? You are so ignorant. And mark my words... No power on earth will be able to remove quota/ reservation system, once it'll get implemented. And i think you might be having that much common-sense....

[@sushainupadhyay4192]

@@ashuu3 level playing field at schools, then at college.. what after that..? Even at colleges, even at promotions..?? You are sick. Get well soon. Don't play the victim card of not having level playing field.

[@salonichauhan9386]

@@sushainupadhyay4192 very well said

[@ashuu3]

@@sushainupadhyay4192 People earning 8 lac and more can obtain their college degree from private university or foreign ; not those whose parents earning 1-3 lac. I only want affirmative action benefit at school level not university level never for jobs as it would be recipe for disaster as only smart and hard working deserve jobs and admission at college. If no reservation then there should not be any funding to any universities, public and private school as it would only benefit in large part to the rich and the upper middle class, period. Level playing only at school level from K to 12.

[@futureca2632]

Remove caste reservation ......It won't make India grow...Unskilled people will be chosen as per caste reservation...Prefer merit and talent first...Give 20 % reservation to who is talented,skillfull and economically poor so Efficiency will be created in govt jobs and talented,poor people get chance to grow

[@arunsivaraman8235]

No need of states ratification since there is no amendments on the federal provisions,only special majority is needed to amend the fundamental rights

[@gautamsachdev900]

👌👌

[@avicksaha]

Brave step by administrator

[@dhristygarg23]

Well said sir! The whole reservation should be on economy basis not on caste basis

[@shakti777]

👌nice debate

[@MrHarsha8]

Deepak always rocks

[@prajaktagaikwad5433]

J saaideepak a person wid tremendous knowledge.

[@algoregeorge3316]

Eliminate reservation Let talented people come to the main stream

[@kumarmanglam3101]

Sai sir is really lawyer to comprehend

[@allensebastian97]

I think there should have been a panelist who strongly opposed this legislation to grab both the sides of the argument

[@drpraveenkumars2237]

I will appreciate the bill .this is what we are waiting since long ago.

[@avdheshmalik5431]

It’s a welcome move by the government.

[@nehadokrimare4170]

I don't understand why do people unlike this type of episode?

[@manurajkatare8922]

I saw it today thinking it's happening again 😂😂

[@sanudas1064]

Hi to all... I am juz luking fr an answer ....how come a person whose anuall income is 8lakh rs or less than 8 lakh (tht means more than 60k per month) is economically backwrd.....60 k per month is a great amount I think....

[@rambhakt2626]

Sanu Das this is the cutoff for non creamy layer in obc also

[@sanudas1064]

@@rambhakt2626 OK I didn't know about that... But don't you think so tht criteria should be changed..... Means a person who is earning 50k or 60k can easily survive...

[@AmitThakur-dy3pg]

Simply Party want to include more or more people and hence it is a political move

[@madhukarmssonu]

@@AmitThakur-dy3pg nice observation

[@santhoshmohan8484]

@@rambhakt2626 8 lakhs criteria for OBC creamy layer, or for any community for that matter, is to exclude people who are well off within an social backward community. The current one is to include people from general category which doesn't have suffered from social backwardness. There is a difference between these two and cannot be equated.

[@kumarmanglam3101]

Only tondon sir is making balance between religion and politics

[@sankety2196]

This bill is going to have long term ramifications like Mandal and if ratified by SC too, it is going to open the gates for the discussion about overall revision of reservation system.Bcoz , though 'affirmative action principle' is equivocally accepted, One should not forget its against the equality nd should not be continued for indefinitely long time - 'Unrevised'!

[@upanidesh]

This bill along with the upcoming "OBC sub categorization" commission report will be an improvement over the reservation system. But ultimately, everything depends on implementation.

[@anuragsingh135]

And respected Sir and former Bureaucrat doesn't know about reservation and confusing political reservation with reservation for public.. plz correct me if m wrong.

[@deepikatiwari7231]

Remove caste remove reservation

[@raraj1993]

SIR Sai Deepak YOUR INFORMATION VERY HELP US AND WE WILL SEE YOUR BECOME CJI OF INDIA

[@kumarrajdubey721]

I am also thinking about whom got reservation before, but at the same time many within reservation catogary but their income is less than 50000₹ What does government have courage reservation within reservation only 20% for who are weaker in oneself

[@deepakchoudhary5410]

The only problem faced by children of socially advanced castes who are genuinely economically backward is that they are not able to afford education to the fullest level. This problem can be solved by having a scheme of scholarships and education loans so that it can support the economically backwards classes.

[@sagar25496]

We asked them to remove reservation, they came up with a new one. I found the 8 lakh rupee threshold a big mistake, it must be around 4 or 5 lakhs so that the real needy can be benefitted. NO HARD FEELINGS. #PEACE

[@jayshelke5096]

J Sai Deepak.....Jay Maharashtra

[@abhinav.mishra17]

Education and health is needed for all not lollipop of reservation. These two most important things are totally ignored in public debate.

[@sumanokram183]

Thank you Ashok Tandon Sir. For supporting Reservation for ST,SC and OBC .

[@iasaspirant5659]

10:35 in Indira Sahini case Supreme Court of India ruled in 1992 that reservations could not exceed 50 percent anything above which it judged would violate equal access as guaranteed by the Constitution

[@kanchans2451]

Absolutely political decision at this time as also conveniently proven by the esteemed panelists that none of the parties would object to it. As it is the posts in the govt are decreasing eg: UPSC, over and above the already set ceiling of 50% reservation another 10% for EWS is a direct slap on the generalists. Should this said 10% be given at all, then it must be accommodated within the 50% category. Doesn't matter which party forms the govt but they must be mindful of the implications they have by their decisions and in this case very far and wide! Disgusted!

[@sparshtyagi8497]

Why is Frank going all beared?

[@sidhantnegi9013]

I would say it's a welcoming idea of giving reservation solely on the basis of economic parameters, not only to upper cast but to everyone irrespective of caste.....it's already been 70 years NOW!!

[@akashtandon8540]

It's all about MODIS MIND of politics. I personally don't think this is going to be executed. Reservation giving on the economic concentration cannot be given. Reservation was given to make free from the burden too which the lower caste people are faicing but that is not even cleared. Why don't you cancel all the caste. Why there is a caste if we neglect the caste half the problems could be resolved.

[@Fatimazahra-qs7ee]

If one has finished the required qualification ,one has the passion ,one wants to be an ias ,one also urge to seek the coaching to get some outline of the whole process ,but one sacrifices the dream because of the fact that he/she is born in a poor family ..

[@saluka1000]

what I got from it, a- person whose salary is 65k per month is poor, though most of the gov jobs dont provide this package at initial level at least, b- political parties could not oppose because they cant afford it, may be they like it or not. c- Its leading to a more refined aspect of reservation like for women, 3genders, refugees etc, now what lead the gov to take this step in the last day of parliament or BJP gov, d - no data is given to back the this argument of backwardness and creamy layer, as per my knowledge. 1-It failed to create the jobs in gov and pvt field both miserably as it had promised and made people dream by make in india and other programs. 2- Education system is junk, it can produce cheap labor for USA not scientists or ENTREPRENEURS. 3- Neta have enough money to send their children abroad for study and most of the indian collages belong to them. 4 - If we really want progress, will have to appreciate merit not cast. its better to make the cast meritorious not the merit on cast. pls forgive for mistakes :)

[@physics.01]

Tell me something. Suppose a SC person got first position in entrance exam then government give him unreserved general seat or SC reservation seat ?

[@seemachoubey1176]

He will be chosen under unreserved category

[@physics.01]

@@seemachoubey1176 Thanks for answer 😊

[@nishantsharma1451]

he/she will be given general seat given he/she qualifies every criteria of General category i.e. age, attempt and have qualified each stages above general category cut off.