The Big Problem with Onslaught in World of Tanks

Onslaught is the most competitive version of World of Tanks yet, but, it has a big problem that is only getting worse each season - here's my take.
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[@jeroenmeijer1062]

The TVP is absolutely sick in this gamemode since you can reduce the reload time of the magazine by 60% with your role skill. This essentially means you can get a DPM of anywhere near 7000.

[@tarmynastyr]

yes but you still gotta pen your shots. easier said than done unless ur cracked.

[@LateDude96]

​@@tarmynastyrnot that hard. But shoot gold if you need to. TVP is crazy good in this mode.

[@TehButterflyEffect]

It's crazy good regardless. Seriously underrated tank for some reason.@@LateDude96

[@Loudnose]

​@@TehButterflyEffectgood as it is, if people would spam TVP, that would be the problem

[@jeroenmeijer1062]

@@tarmynastyr penetrating half of your shots with 7000dpm is still more than penetrating half with 3000dpm so it's definitely super powerful

[@Yakito666]

The fact that you lose points when you lose, no matter if you carried the entire team makes this mode dead to me.

[@evilmac9623]

Same.

[@KubusSc7]

Yup. You are punished alone for what your team did. Thats not fair. There is no competitiveness about it.

[@R_A_P_T_O_R]

thats the one

[@KGBinUS]

Yup, this is what killed for me.

[@bertonderdeeltweser_g]

Same its a joke and stupid

[@Bruh-hw8sy]

I grinded for 4 weeks to get the Kpz 50t at silver (55% winrate in randoms). It's definitely the most infuriating mode I've ever had to play. It's so team dependent as so many at the lower ranks have no idea what tanks to pick or where to go. Also, because it's 7 vs 7, if u have one bad player, then it's almost a guaranteed loss. Ranked was better than this mode in my opinion. The constant 7-0 blowouts and 2 minute games make it extremely boring and unfulfilled as well.

[@maxparece4155]

It seriously it is. While my winrate was solid in Onslaught, I just never had any fun with it. It didn't help that I don't have a S. Conq, being one of the most popular tanks in the mode. Every game plays the same, so its just boring and frustrating.

[@T51B1]

Agreed

[@TehButterflyEffect]

Yeah I have a bunch of pretty good tier 10s. STB-1, IS7, Obj. 277, E4, 103B, Obj. 141, etc. The IS7 is the only one that is competitive at all but I can't carry 6 other tanks in it. I can do 4-5k damage and get kills, but can't hold off 3 tanks by myself.@@maxparece4155

[@themomentchannel3498]

@@maxparece4155 nerds just sitting there in their s conq's waiting for someone to make a mistake

[@juanzulu1318]

1. The Kpz is avsilable in Gold league (not silver league) 2. The problem of bad players were exactly the same in ranked battles. 3. 7v7 makes that problem less as ur portion of the team performance is higher.

[@petergaardsted5590]

No bad teams ????? Every time, just before i rank up, i loose 10 - 15 games in a row with 5 - 6 teammates doing 0 or one shot of damage the hole game. How can anyone carry that ???? That made me quit the game mode.

[@achill3usoverclocking874]

My issue is that the gaming experience is not consistent, you are only as successful as your team is. It took me 2 weeks of non stop playing to grind from iron to silver then back to bronze, again to silver and now i'm back to bronze D after 6-700 battle. I understand the mechanics and trying to play the tanks which i'm the most use for my team. Most of these battles I did not even enjoy, it was a sweaty grind, but I really wanted to be able to unlock the shop. Still, the issue is despite the ranking system this is just another randoms but now with the shop you HAVE TO make a progress and this is leading to a lot of frustration and a very toxic mindset.

[@Bruh-hw8sy]

Agree, I've never been a more toxic player than in this mode. I might curse out enemy arty every once in a while in random que, but never have I gotten more angry at other players for playing horrendously than this game mode. After finally getting silver and kpz, random que felt like a relief from all the toxicity and stress

[@achill3usoverclocking874]

@@Bruh-hw8sy Indeed, going back to randoms was so relaxing like never before :D Almost forgot in randoms you dont have to win to make a progress, credit etc...

[@MaxFiveGames]

The way you play in this gamemode is so damn stupid. Driving around dropping artillery on tanks wow so cool... How can this be ''ranked'' i dont get it. Strategy is to RUN AWAY from the fight to collect arty drops and to drop on tanks with 100% accuracy from literally any point of the map... what a joke.

[@joehunt2001]

never thought id say this....but give me ranked back. was alright playing for a t9 reward tank along with all th other rewards. bnever played onslaught and never will iwant to play WoT, not a funky weird version of it

[@elfiwolfe]

I do not play Onslaught because I have low WR and am mostly a loser in WoT.

[@sargemarine3709]

I am free to play, and again down to less than 2 mil credits. So, it doesn't matter how hard you try. It is how many dollars you are willing to pay now, to even play. This is NOT a free too play Game. You cannot sue a company, for false advertising, in Cyprus. If your free too play game is based there, you can count on it being pay too play ! Su ck a ss companies conning you out of your money for something, that will go away, like your money. Pixels are nothing tangible. This means nothing for rich in money "whales", that are the real target of such conmen. NO FUN FOR U AVERAGE PERSON. You are a scab, on the arse of WG.

[@erikaverink8418]

Same and i also don't like playing tier 10 tanks. (i have unlocked a few (and even in the garage) i never played them.

[@juanwang2811]

I'm a 61%er with 11600 WR, I don't enjoy it too

[@LowOfSolipsism]

I got 15 losses in OnSlaught in a row right after qualification, despite having 61+ % winrate in random queue and playing since 2012. And such lose streaks(4+ in a row) is very common in this mode, very frustrating.

[@intheshadows1623]

I would love to have the tank select in the first secounds bevore it starts in the normal matches. That would change a lot of frustraiting map rotations and increase player fun

[@DisgruntledDoomer]

Interesting concept, but how to balance it? Or would you still need to pick "inside your class", for example, so if you queued as a TD, you could only switch to other TDs?

[@intheshadows1623]

maybe you que up with two tanks and can chose the one depending on the map?@@DisgruntledDoomer

[@CB-um8ep]

i just wish ranked wot was standard battles with a rank attached to it

[@juanwang2811]

Exactly!

[@averagejeff6037]

After 249 batlles of pain and 53 % win rate solo i got the silver .got kpz ,3D styles. Concept 1b grinded in ranked.

[@juanzulu1318]

Isnt it gold league for the kpz?

[@keenie81]

@@juanzulu1318 Silver is Kpz & Concept (+ 3D styles), Gold is Charlemagne & 114

[@acetanker9155]

I went down from gold with 1600 points to 1200 points because I had 16 lose streak (I counted them because I couldnt believe it) and I got so tilted I stopped playing this mode. I just wanted to make missions the last week for Bond HP module than this. This System when you lose points no matter what impact you had is just killing this mode and not only this

[@Bruh-hw8sy]

After, had about a 14 game losing streak once and never felt angrier at a game than at that moment. I agree that losing points even after doing top damage is a bad system. I did 7.5k damage (my most ever) and had someone else on my team do 6k, and we still lost by 3k HP. Still lost 13 points after that game even after all that.

[@acetanker9155]

@@Bruh-hw8sy Yeah I felt never so disappointed and angry because of the game like last week.I had Games like you described where I was concentrated and focused and we lose anyway. I mean after the 10th lose in a row I started to make mistakes myself and lose even more points after losing again. Than I decided to play until I win one game and counted the loses after that. 16 in a row lol I really laughed so hard and decided to stop. I didnt even had the time to play and grind up again because of real life. I have no nerve for this mode anymore

[@1DeleterX1]

Good i never have played a single game in Onslaught, and i didnt knew all this info. 1s enemy spot time... WTF? Sniper DERP guns? hell What else i have (gladdly) miss?

[@mihaistefan4054]

I literally grinded for 4 h straight with a buddy of mine from 650 to 1000 points just to get the Kpz 50 t and I kinda hated it all the way just so i can get that reward tank , without someone that you can communicate with it’s very hard to grow in this game mode

[@xxX_Bokkoors_Xxx]

I was in Bronze A and so close to silver and getting the 2 tanks in silver... but after a 18 match losing streak and dropping back into Iron, I stopped playing this mode all together, The scoring system is the biggest problem with this mode.

[@Pancerniak2093]

Same. I was in Bronze A with 980 points. Only one battle to silver. And next I lost 13 battles in row and Iron A welcomed me. In the end I returned to Bronze D and I stayed there. This game mode is toxic and worst than randoms.

[@besacoslegostuff5404]

As a slightly above avg f2p player, I love onslaught. It took me about 50 games to learn it, but I now have a higher win rate in it than randoms. I find the teamwork that can be achieved at the higher ranks super rewarding. That being said I’ve played the game for 10 years and understand how the mode is not friendly for beginners/intermediate f2p players.

[@damirtrstenjak8896]

Well, I managed to get to Bronze rank. I took your advice to play last week (or last week and a half). Sure I would like to get higher up (because as you said rewards are great but expensive), but it was like one step forward two steps back....and of course it depends on team (only my subjective opinion)...and yes I will play next Onslaught if nothing because I get a lot of bonds, I managed to finish daily tasks with ease.

[@meme._hoe._8392]

There needs to be a way where you can gain points on a loss, sometimes ive done way better but just had a team that melts faster, yes you lose less if you do well but the fact you always lose points is tiring

[@MarkiMcMark]

One of the low-key problems of onslaught imo are the good players. The gameplay is kinda showcasing what I mean. QB is likely the best player on his team and yet he picks the worst tank (type) for onslaught. Yes he won but it came down to oneshot vs. oneshot, imagine how much easier it would've been for him had he picked an IS7, Sconq or 60tp. And that's what makes onslaught matches way harder than necessary, the best players not picking the best (or rather easiest) tanks for the mode. Kinda like a good CS player not picking AK and AWP.

[@Sn00ky128]

tbh, light tank (on certain maps) are kinda the best, especially when only heavies are on the enemy team, because of the view range advantage. You can be the pesky mosquito and annoy the whole enemy team. In late game i want to be in a light over any other class, the difficulty is to get there. Thats why its the hardest class to master. So his choice is not as stupid and detrimental to the team as you think!

[@MarkiMcMark]

@@Sn00ky128 As a light you are very dependent on how long the remaining 6 players, which are usually split up as well, can survive. Great example for this is Westfield imo. Sure you can be annoying in a light, but what can you really do against 5-7 Sconqs? And I didn't say stupid, I said that he makes it harder than it needs to be. Light is definetly the hardest class to master, but then you shouldn't be surprised when the onslaught progression is grindy and frustrating.

[@Yawbus1976]

​@@MarkiMcMark- That's the problem with the mode though, so perhaps the game overall. Heavy tanks are just too good. They're too fast and too accurate, this game mode simply amplifies the disparity. There's no fun in a game mode where two teams roll up into each others face and the team who fires the most gold wins.

[@Vic-Bee]

Before watching your video, I would say the biggest issue with it is those playing on the US server but living in different time zones end up not being able to play at reasonable hours.

[@tonynorman1765]

Hi QB. Really good video by the way, I found it interesting and illuminating. I would class myself as a casual player and I certainly struggled with Onslaught. One of the issues I found was for casual players like myself I just don't have a big library of tier 10 tanks yet. For example I don't have a S.Conq or a 60TP or a TVP. All of which are good tanks in this mode. It takes time for casual players to grind Tier 10's ultimately. As a result while I did have some good games in my Mino and E100 I found myself punished quite harshly where I found not even get out of Bronze. Also taking some like 11-12 loses in a row was quite common and the lose of points from such loses extremely punishing and demoralising. I don't pretend to be a good player. My personal goal would be just to get to silver so I could get a Kpz 50t or a Concept B. So I set a what I thought to be a reasonable goal for my game play level. In the end as you say in your vid I didn't feel it was worth it in the end. Sorry for the wall of text, I hope it is helpful to you. Many thanks.

[@albchu]

What Onslaught taught me: -Griefers, AFKs, Casuals, have outsize impact on W/L in 7v7 -It's normal to get a run of good battles, and then a run of bad battles and wind up back where you started the night -The lack of communication in a "Team Based Competitive Game" is silly Also: People asked for Skill Based Matchmaking, and when Wg gave it to them, they were surprised to find that blowouts still happen often. People will still ask for Skill Based Matchmaking and claim it will make "closer games". And: Many of the maps are too small for 15v15 games. especially with view range being what it is.

[@raptorthefirst]

I think it's quite good for end-game to be that different. I mean it's like a fresh blood for Wot, something new, that you can grasp as a player who basically completed the game

[@BokaSandro]

I would actually really like ti have 25 m proxy spot radius in random battles

[@LongbranchOlivetti]

I believe the last iteration of Ranked was better, not least from a progression point of view.

[@MrJayyangie]

I have played a couple of games. I felt lost most of the time as I had no clue what was going on. Being a casual player shooting that much gold is not my idea of a good time.

[@heffiagametech8094]

I love Onslaught but I don't get results.

[@jeffreygreene2379]

QB seems to not understand why when he switched tanks to a light tank he started doing better. The reason light tanks and fast medium do better is because they can get to the radar and artillery stations. Tanks that consistently take the specials have the potential to get more points whether they win or lose so they win at higher points and lose with less points taken away. Your LT100 had a built in, actually unfair point making advantage compared to the heavies and TDs that have to actually fight instead of go harvest the specials. Each round played only supports 2 - 3 fast medium or light tanks without losing outright. The heavy and TD players have to do very significant damage per match to compete with someone playing the lighter tanks that can reach the specials and can also do some damage from distances. This is the secret formula for advancing in Onslaught. WG made this unfair lighter vehicle advantage and this should be changed.

[@QuickyBabyTV]

No. It was switching between AMX 13 105 and T-100 LT.

[@jeffreygreene2379]

I stand corrected, I missed that fact, sorry. The overarching observation I do stand by, lighter tanks tend to do better, they have more point gather options that tend to pad their scores. Unless you're really good in your heavy tank it's very very difficult to match lighter vehicle point gaining outcomes because activating specials are weighted a bit too highly. Lighter tanks gravitate to them when they should be closing to help with the fight. If you do this regularly, your battle outcomes seem to improve since most battles are roughly a 50/50 toss up for the win. I play heavies most of the time. I do plan on switching next time to lighter fast vehicles and do specials regularly only to test my theory.

[@jforden78]

I kinda of enjoy it, but its frustrating to lose a pile of points on a loss where you feel like you did pretty well. I also have a limited list of Tier X tanks to pick from which hurts as well.

[@tehzipfile]

The fact that Onslaught is so different to the regular game is ridiculous. It's like queueing in to play some TF2 and suddenly you're playing Overwatch.

[@ernestolarrabe5181]

I just achieved silver rank.. in the last day. Is incredible. I went through many stages, I stopped playing for many days. In the end I returned to it and was able to play with the necessary patience. It's very difficult, because the matchup is very variable, but playing for the team in most cases helped me. Always avoid being at a disadvantage with the enemy and be aggressive when the opportunity allows. I'm very happy

[@LOLatThefail]

congrats! My situation is exactly the same. I had stopped playing for a while almost gave up and got back 3 days ago and i managed to get silver few hours before the mode ends :D

[@MountainGanesh]

Tried it this year, as I felt I was a "good enough" player to be able to make it work. I agree that this mode should be "friendly" enough to casual players to encourage them to put the time and effort into it. I wanted to make Silver this year; I have a stack of Bonds saved up, and I would have liked to land one of the tanks. But the "loss" mechanic was just too harsh. It was all too easy to lose an entire hour of gaming effort and progress in a single unlucky match. All the new mechanics built into the mode mean that you stand a much higher chance of being ammo-racked or set on fire, and if it happens early enough in the battle you get next to nothing out of it. If you end up on the losing side, then that whole "lose a whole hour of progress in a single match" thing comes into play. I don't think the mode should be a giveaway by any means; it should be challenging. But it should be possible as a casual player to make steady (if slow) progress even with losses, even if you're not in the top three of your team in every game, so that by the end of the season if you've been playing consistently and regularly, you should be able to make it up to the "good" bond shop. Maybe you don't get the top rewards, and maybe once you reach e.g. Silver it starts to get harder to advance, where you really do need to be consistently in the top three or four on your team, and you start to lose more if you don't do well. But right now, this mode isn't "friendly" to the general player base. Causal players need to see that they can make steady overall progress. The setbacks can't be so brutal that the players don't have confidence that they can at least advance. The mechanics are too alien, and the penalties too harsh. It's not fun, and as you (QB) have pointed out so many times, the ultimate point of a game is to have fun doing it. Even for very good players, this mode isn't really "fun". It's a chore. It's obviously an easier chore if you're a very good player, but a chore nonetheless, and if you're only "okay", then it becomes far too frustrating. As I said, I did try. But with the mechanics and the meta being so different from the regular game, and the penalties for missteps being so harsh, I wasn't seeing enough of a reason to keep trying. As others have also noted, the mode encourages completely selfish play. You *have* to be in the top three on your team to maintain any progress. On a win, it's not absolutely critical because you get at least some points, but it is crucial on a loss. The problem being that by the time you realize you're not going to win, there may not be a way to get to those top three spots. This means you should try to shot-steal and kill-steal when you can, so you can deny your teammates one of those top places. I was maintaining a good 55%-58% winrate, and was even able to land near or at the top of my team some of the time. But the few times I hit a bad loss, and thus lost all the progress I had sweated for, meant that I didn't feel much hope that I could get where I wanted to go, so I ended up not being willing to pour "good money after bad".

[@VideoGamesIncc]

Since you have to win you have to play aggressive. Even if you are the last alive and get 6k damage it doesn’t matter. Yes you might not lose the most points, in theory it is better to make a push play and die if you win the game. 20 points is better than losing 15 or 20 points. The problem is that some teams don’t understand that you have to be hyper aggressive and don’t get into the game or just die too quickly and ends in a loss and frustration as it doesn’t matter what you do sometimes you can’t carry and progress and it can be times where you play 2 hours and don’t progress at all or even worse fall and slip

[@ronpeterson41]

I agree, the point loss when you lose, even though you carried the team is disgusting. Also, I have an issue with bots, they run off to the corner of the map and hide. I have reported many, and multiple times. Wish wargaming would put more effort in shutting down those accounts.

[@Coasterr200145]

I gave up on this game mode after a battle or two. The changes from Random Battle made me feel like it was a different game. I was not bothered though, just went back to Random.

[@supahsuku922]

I admit i got frustrated many times because i know i could have carried my team but i didn't, but most frustrating thing was that matches ended just as i was about to cook, one shot in and game was over, teams don't allow you to make an impact to the game, some teammate once said "i always go for the dip and never works", meaning that's the only thing they do, they don't bother thinking of a different strategy or a different tank, i'd say the mode is playable, but player's selfishness is what ruins the games, plus WG thought it would be a good idea to give rentals and not the option of getting their respective field mods, effectively putting a team in disadvantage for playing rentals, what's a rental CS gonna do against a regular CS with possibly bond turbo, directive and final field mod, clearly needs some balance.

[@adambodi15]

I think the main problem with onslaught is the time you have to invest in it to get the best rewards. If we compare it to ranked it really gets pathetic. I was able to finish ranked in a few days with all the double chevrons in less than 100 battles with 150-200% in every season. But onslaught takes a lot more games especially if you do it solo, and the rewards are also sub par. Also the lights are a huge problem in onslaught, as they are really op in good players hands and useless in bad players hands (and usually these bad players instalock them at the start). The point system could also see some changes, they could create safety nets similar to ranked, so a bad losing streak wouldn’t be that painful. Maybe the first on the team shouldn’t lose point at a defeat also.

[@adambodi15]

Or if you don’t want anyone from the losing team to keep point, make it so you lose only half. For example for an average win now you get between 22-30 points and for the average loss you lose like -20, if you make that to just -10 on average it would be a lot easer to climb and would create a lot more legend spots also.

[@neilstoddart00001]

im always struggling for credits as a free to play casual. so this mode was a breath of fresh air in that i made good credits at T10. it wasn't until Claus Kellerman pointed out the credit grinding aspect that i decided to try it. my criticism to this mode is, that it seems to be an even more focused troll fest, with players losing their shit, rather than trying to play as a team, even more so than the random , well that's my impression.

[@alinaasandei9172]

In wot blitz at the start from tier1 to 4 are battles of 5v5 which smaller maps then normal wot blits tier10 battles,at tier5 to10 its 7v7 which small maps compared to normal wot

[@warkus123]

The fact that it's time limited with such significant modifiers compared to random battles is what gets me, you can't play random with onslaught rules, or even training rooms... So you can't practice in any way... I guess that's the same for everyone though, sure... But it pushes casual people away, people that weren't planning on getting the highest rank in the first place, just play a little to get some rewards, but then they notice the game feels weird and get pushed away from playing it.

[@ace5347]

So, the frustrating thing for me was working to get to high silver up until the last week of onslaught. Then I had a string of 100 games of which I only won about 20. Given my average win ratio to that point, it was statistically unlikely that my play was the only factor in those losses. After carefully considering what games I could have had a significant effect on, I estimated there were only about 6 - 10 games where I was the sole cause of the loss, mostly due to inexperience with the game/not having the right tanks. Statistically speaking, regardless of those losses of which I was the cause, I should have ended the season in Silver A or Gold E. Instead, I ended up giving up in Bronze B. I lost 12,000,000 credits. I will not be playing onslaught until the ranking system is fixed. I personally think the losses should have little to no effect on rating. Instead, it would be more effective to have time-based reward tiers as well as a more significant reward based on games played and average performance in those games. Making the reward system more complex in this way would ensure that there is still a benefit for competitive play and not effing players that are putting the effort in but just getting screwed by statistical outliers. Thoughts?

[@aojohn2]

For real take components such as winner take all and just merge it with ranked. That was the only part of ranked I didn't like was someone could camp at the back loose the game but still make progress because they got the most damage. It should be winner take all to discourage any play to not lose approach

[@benhauenstein8249]

Great video. Thanks for clearing up so many assumptions I had about this mode. I saw the description and thought it looks a lot like those clan battles I tried a few years back, which really only seemed fun when tryharding (like PvP in MMORPGs). It does seem less frustrating and more like fresh air, but I think 'alienating' hit the spot for me as well. I will probably try it, but I can also see myself not pursuing it frequently instead of the default 15v15. Simply having 15v15 in a Ranked Style mode would probably be a huge game changer. Just imagine playing both sides (so double the usual match length) and potentially being allowed to change tanks (maybe like in the 30v30 mode) after the first round.

[@ImaginingMonitor]

7 players means 1 player can have more of an impact. That being said making derpy tanks more accurate, the flat accuracy buff is strange. Part of the reason I stopped playing frequently years ago. Sniper tanks like the Leo1 is a misnomer. A derp tank is closer to a sniper than a sniper is to perfect accuracy.

[@benjaminpedersen6345]

Hmm i see why people say that not all on the loosing team should loose points, but then it is so easy to camp and not help team but just snipe in back. It ruins the mode. So yeah i think all should loose points. Also IT NEEDS TO BE round based since the maps are not mirrored you should play multiple rounds in one game where you switch sides. Of course you should gain more points by winning a game then, but it would be so mutch more fair.

[@natus99]

Fully agreed - I played a bit to get the bonds, prem equipment and the KPZ, which I unlocked in Ranked, but didn't have enough bonds at the time before the shop was removed :( and I lost the ''unlock'' - SHAME ON YOU WG for that! and I failed - got to 975 points before loosing like 5 in a row, even though I did quite solid battles but people were taking grilles or going for a sightseeing trips...

[@T51B1]

The 7v7, spots & arty, map changes, and modifiers took some getting used to but it's learnable. The biggest problem IMO is that you lose points on a loss no matter what you do, and there is no "rank shield" like there used to be with ranked. This isn't as big of a deal once you are in the silver and higher groups because most players that get to those are good at the mode, but iron and bronze are abysmal because of it. If you don't make it out of iron and bronze early then you will spend a massive amount of time getting out of iron and bronze once you're stuck with all the 3K WTR numpties with the rental tanks just moving around on the map long enough to get their weekly missions done. If it was up to me, I would rather have ranked back. Most players understood it better because it wasn't that different from randoms, the maps were the same as randoms unlike all the map changes with onslaught, and you could still get ahead even with a bad team.

[@TehButterflyEffect]

I was playing it because I like the format and I have a few tanks that work well in it. However, instead of 7v7 making it easier to win, it makes it much more difficult. I started out in Bronze and figured hey, I'll get to Silver fairly quickly and be able to buy the tanks I want! No. I actually went down to 0 points because I lost battle after battle, despite performing very well. I climbed back up to bronze only for it to happen again. I gave up. I even switched to firing full gold (which is STUPID) and it made no difference. Loss after loss, despite doing 4-5k damage per battle. They REALLY need to adjust the points system. You lose FAR too many points on a loss compared to what you can gain on a win.

[@baohungle5410]

I'm a 4k WN8 player, usually avg 60% WR in Random queue. This season of Onslaught seemed pretty easy for me at first as I got 1.8k pts without much effort. But little did I knew, I was gonna get absolutely fcked by the MM. Currently I'm having 46% winrate after an unlimited losing streak. You can guess how much pts do I have left. It felt like I lose the game no matter how well I perform after I got that winning streak. Truly one of a kind gaming experience.

[@digdog5834]

4k wn8 with only 60% wr 😂 bro is your avg tier 5 or something

[@Geekpuncher_ttv]

The only thing that would get me interested in wot again is a good competitive game mode. I wish they would just have a currency only earned in competitive (like steel in WoW) that could be used to buy the rewards outright. Then even a casual could after multiple seasons have enough currency to pick up a reward.

[@GjaltBloembergen]

I enjoy a game or two now and then but you need to spend so many games to slowly climb up that it is just not worth it to me. I just have an hour or two a week for a few games so this feels too much like a grind if you want to climb

[@Liberty73_NA]

There should be a "ratchet effect" in the earlier levels, like Iron, Bronze, and Silver, where you can't go below those levels once you achieve them. Then after that, you can go back down to Silver once you go Gold or higher. I went from midway into Bronze to falling deep back into Iron two times. Luck has an effect on your outcome sometime. When I go 6 wins and 19 losses in one session, that is bad luck. Sometimes luck does play a role. And what happens is that you get frustrated, then add to your losses as you play worse. WG is frustrating players needlessly with this system. My goal was to get a Concept. Instead, I left the event feeling like I wasted hours and hours of my time. At one point (not the 6-19 session states above) I hit 950 points, almost to Silver, then lost 5 in a row and went back down to 800 and change. No problem, I was still ready to grind. Then I hit a 2:3, 1:2 win ratio after that and fell to "C." Even with losing less points than I was gaining, I couldn't bail the water out fast enough to avoid a sinking ship (or drowning tank?) with the losses, and I am a decent, above 50% player. A "fun" mode was more frustrating then it should be. The mode has potential, but they need to lock in early levels to allow players to benefit from the time spent playing the mode. Maybe even lock in levels after a certain amount of games are played? 150 games = auto Bronze level, 300 = Silver? This would get more people to participate. Heck, allow for the top 3 players on the losing team to still gain points and take away the heavily weighted win/loss aspect of the mode and focus more on skill. How about the top 3 players on the losing team get points, and the top 6 players on winning team get points.

[@Capain_D00dle]

Ranked was suck a better game mode. It mimicked random matches much more closely without the random power ups, your credit income wasn't butchered since your matches last longer, you had rank protection, you weren't punished for carrying a losing team, and you weren't forced to pick just the 5 meta vehicles on every map.

[@justinprice383]

Feel it should be that once u reach a letter. U don't drop down again until u reach gold level

[@jamesknight3070]

If I want to play 7v7 I'll play Blitz on my phone/ tablet. This is the "full fat" version of the game and thus I expect fully featured game modes like Frontlines, with large scale battles.

[@stairfall12345678900]

Main reason I haven't even tried Onslaught is cuz I have no Tier 10s :)

[@stefankatsarov5806]

You get 3 for free so you coud play the mode

[@stairfall12345678900]

@@stefankatsarov5806 No it says 'No suitable Tier X vehicles in the Garage'

[@menfaaanda]

You don't get the rentals if you don't own a tier 10 tank already.@@stefankatsarov5806

[@BlaBlaBlaPA]

last time when i played competitive gameplay was in the old 15v15 old ranked and i will play again if comes back to that format , till then ...randoms

[@peterdougenik7691]

I'm a slightly above average player on the NA server but my performance is hot and cold. I had unlocked the Concept 1b etc in Ranked but spaced out and didn't buy them so I figured I'd grind Onslaught to get them. After making it halfway to Silver twice and getting busted back down to Iron I dismissed the game mode for good. There's just too much potential to set yourself back with a string of bad games whether it's your own performance or your team. Being on the wrong end of a blowout twice can erase all the gains made by finishing mid-pack in 4 wins. It's just not worth it

[@SilentJaguar]

11:10 you right when it comes to the game being totally different as a contributing factor for the loses. Those who chooses medium tanks thinks they can go n flank n wait for the light tank to show up while they camp away from the main brawl

[@1dealace]

I think wg should give everybody the same set of preset tanks to play, like steel hunter so its equal to all

[@paulfarstar5589]

It's frustrating . Because most do not understand it. Too difficult to increase , because if you loose. Unlike before you loose points

[@jasonerkel90]

Did 9.6kdmg, 5 kills and lost. my reward was -9 rank point. After that battle, the game mode became dead to me too, hopefully wargaming will acknowledge this terrible mechanic and reevaluate it.

[@RetMag]

Hit silver in 113 games after placing iron e. Bought the kpz. It's significantly more fun than random battles. Particularly with the buffed accuracy.

[@wganz]

It got so frustrating, that I just did the one Iron game to get the tier 7 Skoda and quit there. Just not worth it. My recommendation is to split it to a binary choice of Ranked or OnSlaught. Those with WinRate > 49.99% can chose either Ranked or OnSlaught. The lower level players get the original version of OnSlaught.

[@arnepietruszewski9255]

For me Onslaught feels like I do one step forward and then one step back. It would help if WG would give us secure spots when finishing one league like iron so that you cant drop back. I got fed up with it after falling back the third time.

[@arnepietruszewski9255]

But I have to say that I like the aggressive gameplay.

[@crazydayzee258]

As someone who hates having to play nothing but meta tanks and load the premium ammo and consumables to win, I just relax and enjoy Iron rank for grinding out field mods and collecting the weekly rewards. I am by no means saying I am not trying to win the matches I play, but I am not concerned with progression, if that makes sense.

[@Panic_Wot]

This game mode would be a lot more balanced. If you reached a rank you would stay at that rank no matter how many games you lost. I managed to get halfway up bronze in the first week. I lost 15 games in a row and I’ve never been able to get Backup again. So I gave up.

[@Randomz-wj7pj]

in my opinion this game mode has issues: 1- no shield to protect your rank like ranked battles, you could go into a losing streak and lose a lot in the ranks. 2- you will lose rank points even if you are at the top of performance of the losing team which means no matter how good you play, if your team is bad you are still punished, while in ranked battles the top performer got 1 chevron while the 2nd and 3rd i guess didnt lose any chevron and the rest loses chevrons, WG might be trying to counter what was done in ranked battle where players on the same team were actually competing against each other to gain chevrons faster, which made people play in an individual mindset in a team competitive mode rather than an actual team (meaning do more damage than my team mates in a losing battle so at least i be at the top performers to gain chevron or not lose any) , so i guess WG came up with the onslaught mode to counter this mentality and force players team play and seek win because everyone gets points in a win, but if you lose you still lose points even if you are a top performer. Ranked top performer in a lose = wins points onslaught top performer in a lose = lose points

[@bbraun4966]

I hate the ranking system. It's the old one step forward and then two steps back and it all depends on the team.

[@ClockworkBananaMoon]

Look, I'm not a great player, and I don't have aspirations to become one. But even I managed some games in top 3 or even top damage. Sadly, some of those were still losing games and after dropping down, I asked myself: 'why would anyone want to waste their time on that?'. I understand that exceptionally good players deserve to be rewarded, but surely a system could be designed where different level players are allowed to progress at different pace to reap different tiers of rewards without the risk of landing a streak of defeats and losing so much progress that playing the mode just stops making any sense.

[@novaprospekt990]

In the onslaught, year of the griffon I played around 800 matches, in blue pegasus, I played around 550 games, in red pegasus I only played less than a hundred games. Why? Because I realised from the first season (blue pegasus) that it is nearly impossible for a solo player to reach something higher than gold. You get tragged down by your own team. The modus is for the top one 1%. In red pegasus therefore, I only played the weekly missions and on the last weekend I played like 5 games to reach silver. Thats it. When the onslaught is over with the green pegasus, I will have three times the improved hardening from the weekly missions plus two bond equipments from the yearly reward. I don't want to spend more time thant that in onslaught.

[@RayForrester]

you made the fastest progress in a light tank? The light tanks seem to be limited in the number of situations they are useful. Why was the 13 105 not good? I am at bronze B trying to get to silver. My complaint is the slow progression because because you do randomly get good or bad teams. The net gain in points comes pretty slow. And if you get a run of bad teams it's quite frustrating. I am no where near as good as QB. I could not kill like 5 tanks with a light tank like he did so I am more dependent on working with my team. I do like working as a team but a lot of time the other players on my team do not work together. I wish there was more reward people for working together.

[@garry7263]

Bad teams. get anywhere over 400 points, and lose , lose , lose. Back to ZERO every time. 5k and 5 kills cant win. Should not go back to zero after you reach a plateau.

[@Tikuros]

As somewhone who is constantly learning and does not have the consistency of game qualities that would be fitting for a ranked environment, Onslaught seems like hell to me. Wouldn't even touch it with a barge pole. Would this change if I get to a skill level I am confident in? I doubt it. I don't need this kind of toxicity in my life

[@disabor]

Yeah I never bother to play any of those modes, except for holiday ones for fun.

[@greggo34]

i don't mind the 7 vs 7 , just change the scoring, points system. set it up like Steel Hunter or Front line.. Don't subtract points from players that have great scores. I get 3 kills, lead the team in exp and we lose so i lose 23 points?? Thats messed up. 🤨

[@muldrsrt]

I agree, this is like different game and make frustration. I hate it. This is not endgame but "minigame"

[@skraf883]

The problem with Onslaught and other modes in WoT is that it is team game, and you are rewarded & penalized as a team, not as a player.

[@TheRKZone]

I was stuck in silver with 60TP losing games where I did 5-6k dmg. And don't tell me it is about kills and not the dmg because I always killed the one shots ...

[@IViCI]

I like the 7v7 and the improved aim time, the rest of the buffs can be removed. The level system is awful, you should be protected for 1 or 2 loses after a winning streak.

[@raymondwindley4145]

Of the hundreds of people that I am friends with in this game the only ones that said they liked onslaught were elite players over 60% win rate on their accounts. And even then half of those hated it too. I'm only a 52 to 55% player depending on which account I'm on and that just wasn't good enough to carry teams on na server. It's frustrating seeing the tanks people choose on this mode. I love the map changes for onslaught but I'm not elite so the noise is not designed for my level of skill

[@Mister_G_Point6969]

Bring back Old Ranked with "Division Shields" and only Tech Tree Tanks and the majority of the Playerbase will be pleased...just my 2 Cents...

[@Yawbus1976]

There's no fun in a game mode where two teams roll up into each others face and the team who fires the most gold wins. Heavies are too fast and too accurate, since i don't really like heavy tank gameplay, it became clear there was very little point continuing with it. There's too little time to play tactically as a medium or light, if the rest of your team decide to yolo the game in the first two minutes. You're then heavily punished with a points loss because by the time you got into position, five heavy tanks just turn around and snapshot you from halfway across the map and you didn't do enough damage.

[@DrewLonmyPillow]

Onslaught is too static. Only certain tanks do well. The only way to effectively play a spice pick is if your opponents also play spice picks. A meta team will almost always beat a non-meta team.

[@ryanhicks5371]

Yup stopped playing onslaught after 1st season, completely worthless and altogether frustrating game mode that's gets me tilted enough to forgoe playing the game for several weeks

[@geo1001000]

why didnt Qb showed us the games when he cursed or blame the teams, the morrons for losing his games??

[@akk-nd3vj]

only did weekly missions and not play after that if not those rewards wouldnt play at all

[@chrisbowling3097]

It is fun, but also bad. I hate it because you could do well and go up in the mode, but then you get in games where you get trashed, and you lose your ranking. I wish though they would make the que for Frontlines like Onslaught. There are tanks I use in the few times I actually get to attack, vs games where I defend.

[@bartekwisniewski1215]

You are completely wrong. The biggest issue with this mode is that you loose progress when you loose the game. This means that statistically players with 50% WR or below have no chance of getting into higher ranks and in fact most of then are stuck in iron.

[@philsonnenberg6092]

Problem I had with onslaught are the bots or the T3 players having access to t10 tanks. Its painful to see 3-4 rental tanks on the team in bronze/iron knowing its a lose. Frustrating isnt even close to how playing this was most of the time. Managed to get ONE battle/win to iron rank and then proceeded to free fall back to D bronze. Not fun and not worth the effort. This is NA server also which had 1-3 players in queue that were above iron level.

[@mcdull68]

Can anyone relate with the tier 5 Soviet T-34? The accuracy absolutely sucks and cant apply pressure to enemy team. Is this my problem?

[@Dave-bp6ju]

It's so strange to listen to QB saying all these things when even yesterday on his stream he was just repeatedly, angrily telling people "stop finding excuses, you simply need to get better at the game" when people were complaining about frustration from Onslaught. Really, where is that QB who convinced me like 7 years ago to make a Twitch account and start watching any streamers at all? Calm, logic, friendly. I miss that guy. Sadly, I totally disagree with what he says here. All players are in the same position. Better players will simply learn faster and will find themselves performing good in a new environment faster. This is a great thing in this season. People can devise new plays and tactics instead playing same tricks as in the last 10k random games.

[@moose8337]

QB's personality is cherry-picked for his videos. He banned me from his chat because he was flaming a Cheiftain on mines for playing "shit" who had like 300hp and like 4k damage in the first 3 minutes of the game. All I said was "his 3k damage was more influential to the battle than your 1k damage so who's really playing wrong" and I was banned

[@allensanders5535]

you could be as good as Clause Kellerman in this game mode if you tried a little harder. over 30 games with a 92% win rate in a manticore.

[@dlareggerald]

thx for info but i am very happy its totally an other game instead of the boring 15v5 where players are incredibly passive because of the fact not to lose credits the only frustration is the Trolling By ...the only mode where people try help each others in most of the games instead of using each others HP, i got bronze A without playing light Tank got no 60tp and no tvp grinding them now ,enjoyed playing cs 63 and got 14000 bonds spend 12 millions credit i think i could half this and enjoyed it and got frustrated too but enjoyed it more .;waiting for next season with pleasure in my mind.

[@David-ps6pq]

get rid of crew skills and equipment for this game mode to put people on level playing field. that's all you have to do. you can help them by putting them on a level playing field. the sweats with no life and who pay wg money create tanks you cant compete with. its stupid.

[@zorgfleeter]

the teams are 100% of the reason. i cant carry 6 people. so it becomes 100% down to the teams

[@garethwilson4925]

I Think Qb needs to relook at his video of this mode and make a new one fast

[@TolakosGreenLove]

Well, with the old ranked, i could easily get to gold and get all the rewards, now i can't even touch gold, because everyone is so selfish and toxic and noone cares about winning with the team. Everyone plays for themselves, so in case their team loses, they don't lose many points. And if YOU try to play for the team, you lose the most points at losses and you earn the least points on wins, which i find very unfair. I would like to have some safety nets at some levels, so i don't lose ranks fast because of bad runs of games. And i think i agree with the increase of the number of players in the teams, to add more variety in the gameplay, instead of playing the same 5 tanks over and over again. (Btw i only managed silver B, and then WG took control and stuck me in C forever)

[@briant9251]

I never played onslaught this year. It doesn't match my TD play style, so it's not fun for me.