The Biggest Change In Remnant 2 Ever! Let's Break It Down

[@kieranevans4884]

Nerfed crit builds? Okay sure I'll just go back to my ritua- oh. Guess Ill go back to my mod spa- aw man guess its Bulwa- oh

[@Mr-Nacho420]

When you put it like that it makes me kinda sad :C But I really hope that none of that would matter as Invoker seems to be very fun!

[@Esch88]

It's sad to see them go, at least in their previous form. Though let's be honest, killing bosses on apoc within a minute is not a good thing.

[@celiafrostborn]

Bulwark is still strong, just not as strong. Apoc isn't the measuring stick here, it's the optional put of the way difficulty. If you fixate on every build that can make Apoc childs play you'll always be disappointed. My advice, don't do that and just have fun on lower difficulties. Everything you brought up can still put in work more likely than not, just not to the point of making Apoc not hellish (Which is the intended experience). Equally though, Root doctor should probably be hit hard as well to make passive play not trivialize it...

[@peacemaker5573]

Thanks!

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Thank you man! That's the first time anyone ever used this option on my channel and I really appreciate it! :) Hope you have fun tomorrow with the DLC if you do decide to play it!

[@Xaybas]

Thanks for covering everything, gonna have to relearn all of the items every few months it seems

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Yea the same as the rest of us :D

[@lomster4397]

Nerfed all my builds, nice.

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Time to make some new ones!

[@lordliborius]

I'm REALLY trying to stay positive and hope that the DLC adds more fun stuff to work with but MAN those nerfs are TOO MANY! I feel like they nerfed the most used builds and didnt do much for the rest of the game. Hopefully this doesn't hurt the community too much because this game is already kinda small, would be terrible if too many people quit cause of the nerfs.

[@Mr-Nacho420]

I think that we will learn to live with the changes and come up with some new cool stuff but if you feel like you’re not enjoying the game anymore then taking a break would be the best course of action

[@Rightchickenwing]

16:29 Great breakdown so far dude! 👍👍

[@meowmgee2124]

They nerfed handling and the crit on hunters focus. Don’t really understand why they insist on nerfing weapon spread builds so much when I already have to invest a lot into just weapon spread to make the shotguns that accurate.

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Htat's the thing. I don't think that they want us to make shotguns that accurate.

[@meowmgee2124]

@@Mr-Nacho420 I mean then they just shouldn’t even have anything in the game that deals with weapon spread lol. There’s no point in just slightly decreasing spore blooms spread because it’s default spread takes up half the screen and half the pellets won’t even end up hitting what you’re aiming at without any weapon spread buffs. If I already have to invest 10 trait points, a skill slot, a ring slot, a concoction slot, and potentially a relic fragment slot means that I’m already missing out on a lot of potential damage or survivability buffs for my build purely because I want to be more accurate which I think was already a balanced trade off. It wasn’t breaking the game or anything so I just really don’t see the need for a nerf. It just seems to me they’re always nerfing a lot of fun builds that aren’t even necessarily game breaking, it’s literally just because players aren’t building their characters how the devs thought they would. I don’t know, it just gets annoying having to switch multiple builds around basically every balance patch just because the devs deem the way my character is built as too strong when it really isn’t lol.

[@Rightchickenwing]

4:55 Rugged will make my Doggo last longer?! Ahh so Doggo is a Summons too? I wondered why some rings etc say max 3 summons! 😮

[@Mr-Nacho420]

He is! That's why Handler/Summoner is a great combination since both of them offer and benefit from skill damage

[@sassydalmatian7706]

For the most part I like these changes, but MAN mod builds got slapped super hard. I feel like the play will be to build more for big bursts of damage rather than constant damage (like modswapper). Also the Stonebreaker nerf kills my soul.

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Yea Mod, Dot and Crit builds got slapped around. No idea what will be fun now but tomorrow I will find something for sure! :)

[@juliansouto947]

​@@Mr-Nacho420these dev nerf notes are just a mood killer all hype is dead

[@Mr-Nacho420]

@@juliansouto947 I'm personally very excited to try all of the changed weapons like repulsor, merciless and starkiller. On top of that crit got reigned in so there are other options available now!

[@juliansouto947]

@@Mr-Nacho420 what options most of the buff do next to nothing for the game and all builds just do less damage overall all 400+ hours just to have 5 of my loadouts nerfed with not one meaningful buff to replace it. Starkiller got a visual buff a 25% damage increase while mod gen got gutted so pointless merciless reload fast but lost 15% bleed while dot builds also lost 30% damage so pointless please stop spreading misinformation

[@Mr-Nacho420]

@@juliansouto947 I wouldn’t call it misinformation, that’s a bit much isn’t it? But honestly you don’t know what we will get in dlc as new items so maybe I would just ask to wait with the final verdict when we see all the game has to offer :)

[@Rightchickenwing]

27:32 Double barrel was my fav weapon also but now a maxed out Hellfire for me is killerrrr 😃😃 with timekeepers jewel and red ring of death and merciless as main weapon with ravagers mark

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Double barrel was and will still be very very strong

[@Rightchickenwing]

1:54 Ah yes I noticed this on my playthroughs playing as veteran. Also am CHUFFED that Merciless reload was greatly improved as its my fav weapon now.

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Merciless is very good now as a base weapon even though crits are much weaker than they used to be

[@Hyperspeed1000]

I rly liked the balance changes what I dont get is the nerf to relic fragments and handling. Especially handling is a weird one considering they nerfed accuracy related stuff before and you had already to sacrifice dmg for those. Shotguns are not touched at all and nerfing handling indirectly nerfs them too...and they are already on the weaker side in this game. If anything handling rewards directly your ability to aim. Sorry for the little rant. I come from FPS background and we prefer accuracy over dmg 😢

[@Mr-Nacho420]

I know how it is! :) I have few thousand hours in CSGO myself. Honestly I do not know why accuracy with shotguns is such a big deal for them but they just dont want us to make them into sniper rifles.

[@Hyperspeed1000]

@@Mr-Nacho420I played a couple of shooters in my life and usually when you dont want "shotgun-sniping" or "sniper-blasting" (using snipers like close range shotguns without zooming in" devs usually balance it with min. and max. ranges. If they dont want us to snipe enemies with shotguns just make it so that after 10m the dmg is 1/8 or something like that. And with snipers you could do the reverse thing and say that the full dmg comes from a distance of 10m+. Its a much better solution since you can balance range tables based on per weapon basis. Its one of those changes where I rly ask myself whether the devs understand the game as much as the players or if its just based on some theoretical spreadsheets.

[@peacemaker5573]

Fetid wound would be the first mutator i'd upgrade to max in every build.Now its completely worthless.Its a miracle they buffed the open wound and whats wrong with archon generating too much mod power...Thats the only thing archon does,generate mod power.Its not like archon gives any crit damage or dot damage.I am starting to move away from the game.I see a similar pattern with a mobile game called 'Warrobot' which i used to play 2 years ago and it was a huge P2W mobile game.Every 2-3 months they would launch new robots and weapons which will be very powerful and meta and yet expensive item.When people buy those premium items and company generate enough revenue,after a few months they will launch new patch make them completely useless and launch another new items.This cycle will continue.Well remnant 2 is atleast free once you buy it.But i still dont like the fetid wound and tainted blade being worthless.

[@Mr-Nacho420]

It's not that they are worthless now. They used to be very good and now they are just good. I am sure that if they fail to perform we can find a replacement quite easily :) But no pressure. If the game is no longer fun for you then the best thing you can do is take a break or even quit.

[@g.r.v.r7283]

Yeah sounds like they are nerfing everything to make invoker look good

[@Esch88]

This games strength is in its theory crafting, having something that you would "always" put on your build is a clear showing that the theory crafting needs improving. If you are going to be a generic player that Is going to cry over something taken away from you other than think "hmm let's think this through and let's work around this" then you are very narrow minded

[@Esch88]

​@@g.r.v.r7283I'm guessing you are the conspiring type lol

[@juliansouto947]

​@@Esch88man it sad when a build maker see this many nerfs a thinks losing tools and components is not a bad thing pleases stop D riding bad game design because you think wasting time trying to make up for dev dumb choices is a good thing

[@potatomaster1699]

I mean if u want to feel op and kill everything very fast just play survival..i think its a good patch ....i finished the game on vetern and now im playing on apocalypse flowing no build or anything just using the things i like

[@Esch88]

Well said

[@5778_]

I've only had worlds edge for a week and it's getting nerfed

[@Mr-Nacho420]

It's still going to be very good don't worry!

[@BigMFWrubez]

What I don’t get is that in the discord, people were all like “thank god” and “about time” with all the crit changes but MAN…these don’t look great. Feel like that was the time for people to voice their opinions (some did tbf) I know there are bigger plans on the Horizon. Tragic said as much and power creep will catch up and we’ll be able to OP again before DLC3 with the new almost paragon-like system (forget what he called it) and also the sweeping relic frag changes coming up. But in between that? Shoooooot my HUGS builds are gonna be doing ALOT of rolling on Apoc.

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Yea I guess it will be confusing for a bit but I’m sure we can make some sick builds with the new tools :)

[@suneats]

my mod spam anguish got nerfed, soo sad ):

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Think of all of the new things we will get our hands on with the DLC! :)

[@suneats]

Bro, i love your channel and you since the nightfall and sagitarius builds. Tnks for giving my hope back too

[@Mr-Nacho420]

@@suneats thanks! I really appreciate you :) We will have some good fun with the DLC and make some sick builds here!

[@josephsonkwa6728]

The nerfs are so plentiful and so severe that it feels like the goal was to nerf the player and, therefore, the experience. Kinda kills the excitement.......

[@Mr-Nacho420]

I know it may seem tough at first but the most important thing is how it plays! We will try this Today and most certainly find something new that works! If you are not sure about the game anymore then the best thing to do is take a break and maybe come back at some point :)

[@Esch88]

Let's be honest though, the builds that where nerfed where overkill to say the least. A number of them I refused to use because it made the game far to easy.

[@randomspectator4417]

Overall? Changes Cool. Status Effect damage builds though.... still in tears

[@Mr-Nacho420]

I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. You got robbed man. Sorry for your loss [*]

[@Esch88]

Ritualist was a guilty pleasure, it was such fun but I knew it was an over powered build that needed to be nerfed. At least the miasma. Eruption and death wish should be fun to play around with.

[@randomspectator4417]

@@Esch88 Yeah... issue is they didn't nerf the part of miasma that was so absurd lol, which was the AoE. I don't care about Miasma much, mobbing was already easy with Vile. I'm mostly just sad about all the mutators getting hit

[@Esch88]

@randomspectator4417 yeah I was giving the miasma a run yesterday and yeah it is still strong, though I find it's the neck coil that turns it in to a very strong ad clear tool. I'm yet to give eruption and death wish a run since the update

[@celiafrostborn]

As long as my Engineer/challenger build stays intact im all good, it is my main build after all, either that or my Engineer summoner. Some buffs to weaker stuff will also be appreicated, may try some of the more niche stuff that gets buffed. (Edit: some nerfs but overall my main build will be mostly the same because of the turret crit buffs. Poor anguish though, Mod spam took a hit for sure but thats probably a good thing for the health of the game.

[@Esch88]

Engineer and summoner have been all round buffed

[@Hrvy_-bk3lo]

the mod on the savior slowly degrades, and you never have the full 5 mod capacity

[@Mr-Nacho420]

I guess its still bugged then. I will have to check it out!

[@Hrvy_-bk3lo]

@@Mr-Nacho420 i hope so its a bug.

[@anthonycomeaux1804]

Are the youtube channels all panicking in the background that the community is about to drop off like a cliff with the heavy-handy nerfs? I would be. Probably because I am not looking to come back to Remnant this time around, and have to think there are others who feel that player enjoyment is no longer at the forefront of dev focus.

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Honestly I enjoy the game and I will continue to upload content as long as it's fun for me! If others wanna watch it then its just a bonus for me :)

[@meaty6400]

Gunfire has done a great job with Remnant 2 so far and I love the game. But I disagree with them about wanting to balance a PVE game. Balancing is a necessity for PVP, equal footing for play styles, multiple strategies and promotes fairness in ranked/competitive arenas. Balancing like this patch in a PVE game removes the reward (painstakingly acquired by a casual gamer with minimal free time due to a full time job and two young children) of grinding for those elite items to make “OP” builds. For example, the grind to acquire Nightweaver’s grudge, without save guardian, was painful at best, but I finally got it recently, only to now have the same or less damage output before acquiring it. I think players enjoy grinding to get OP items so they can go back to areas/bosses that were difficult and mop the floor with a god build. Again, I expect to play the new DLC, but I don’t know if I’m going to grind anymore knowing that the rug may be pulled out from under us again in the near future. Great videos and looking forward to the upcoming build videos.

[@Esch88]

If OP stuff is what you need then play the game at a lower difficulty, prior to patch the top end builds would slaughter bosses on apocalypse. The balance changes will promote smarter play

[@meaty6400]

@@Esch88 some items require you to play high difficulty to acquire. World’s edge, etc. also less XP, scrap, materials on lower difficulties only making the grind longer than I already stated. If you want more challenge run less OP builds, or add affix’s to your bosses like Chaos does. The game already had the best of both. Why change it?

[@Esch88]

@@meaty6400 the purpose of the need of theory crafting is to overcome the hardest difficulty, not to make you OP. theory crafting is dead otherwise. if you want OP then play an easier difficulty. I do play with other builds that are not the meta, thats where most of my fun from the game game comes from. with the right knowledge an archetype can be max level 10 within the hour, a grind this game is far from.

[@meaty6400]

@@Esch88 archetypes are easy to level. Items like night weaver’s grudge or tranquil heart or anguish, are not. Those are grinds. Without save guardian, could take dozens of rerolls. That’s what my original comment is about. Why grind for those items if they get nerfed

[@Esch88]

@@meaty6400 thats what i said yes, i responded saying that becuase you said less xp. then there you go, less grind, grind for things that have been buffed. git gud and adapt, stop crying about things that have been taken away from you. been playing with several builds today and the nerfed ones are still relevent. if anything most need nerfing further, but its for sure the right decision overall. do yourself a favour and watch youtubers such as jamison and look for yourself how broken builds are. things like that dont deserve to be in a game thats designed to challenge players.

[@Punisher_the_bot]

Why don’t the developers talk to the community anymore? They had live sessions on KZbin for Remnant 1. Why are they so quiet on Remnant 2? Posting on the Gunfire website or on X is not communicating with the community. Remnant 2 is a great masterpiece, but it feels like they are giving us the cold shoulder.

[@randy1savage]

they are very active on reddit/discord

[@Mr-Nacho420]

They talk with us a lot on Discord but I understand that it's not for everyone and some ppl would prefer a livestream for sure.

[@ReecesPcs]

Seen Tragic answering and talking with the community all over steam too

[@kato093]

They were bought by thq nordic. or rather embracer group (classic bs of companies owning companies. It all comes back to vanguard, blackrock and state street anyway). Wokeness, DEI and diversity hiring.

[@Fahad-Mutairi]

Did they nerf the egg build ? and if they did then shit that was may fav build 😂

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Yea they reduced its damage by a bit ;( still going strong tho!

[@I.K485]

having to replay the entire campaign for a single fucking trait is the biggest fuck you move ever

[@Mr-Nacho420]

What do you mean by that? Which trait? :(

[@bencureton]

There are 2 new traits. Join someone in co-op. We could have decided not to replace them at all... but we decided to add +2 new Traits to the game as a nice bonus.

[@I.K485]

@@Mr-Nacho420 I like using Swiftness and they have now merged it with the Wayfarer, meaning that you have to replay the Root Earth again just to get it. I wouldn't mind replaying it in the adventure mode, but it's obviously not available there.

[@kevo300]

What else is there to do lmao?

[@I.K485]

@@kevo300 well I'd rather play the new DLC content than re-do the campaign which doesn't offer anything new, since I already have every item that I need.

[@GDBAKED81]

They definitely increased the difficulty.

[@Mr-Nacho420]

The enemies are more or less the same but the weapons with crit builds are much weaker

[@GDBAKED81]

@@Mr-Nacho420 maybe it's my build or weapon's IDK, but I'm definitely dying more than ever now, like they hit harder.

[@Xaybas]

I'm only at the corrupted savior part but I'm stopping to comment, this is pure bullshit, I already felt like it had almost too little, now in a few seconds it will be completely dry

[@Mr-Nacho420]

Yea I think what they did to csavior is rough

[@reecedevon9846]

Don't care for cross play at all.

[@Mr-Nacho420]

It's not for everyone but it's better that it exists than not!