The biggest RTS battle ever?! Total Annihilation inspired RTS - BAR

Total Annihilation in 2023! Beyond All Reason is a standalone, free to play RTS supporting up to (checks notes) 50 players in the largest Real Time Strategy game I've ever seen. Massive mechs, fleets & aircraft battle on an unprecedented scale!
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0:00 What is Beyond All Reason?
3:30 Commanders & Turret Rushes
10:40 Boats & Bombers
20:30 Nukes & Spiderbots
26:30 Superweapons & Tier 3
35:00 Massive Fleet Battles
44:00 The Great Shield Wall
55:00 March of the Juggernauts
1:03:30 Juggernaut Graveyard
1:10:00 The Final Battles
1:17:10 The End + Winter's Recap
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[@leafykille]

This is what rts games should be like. This is a game by gamers for gamers. I want to see more of it.

[@chloesmith4065]

Winter has more videos of it on his second channel :D

[@NI4NIPvP]

See more? Just play it! I'm so glad BAR has broken the mold, I was playing it before Winter picked it up and it was hard to start a lobby, now you can drop in games any time of day. It's so great.

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

Having so many players is awesome as well. When we go to Arenas with 4 or 5 people on our team, it is easy to see those that are carrying and those that are being dead weight. Resulting in more toxicity. 25 players mean it is much harder to tell people apart. Only the collective exists. I want to play this.

[@LWT1331]

Well you're entitled to your opinion.

[@will-vi9pk]

Reminds me of Shattered Galaxy.

[@Baleur]

Seeing peoples mouse cursors as lit up spots on the ground is so cool, like eyes of sauron.

[@KraziEyevin]

This game has so many great features like that, you can see allied construction queues, there's the drawing and labeling pings like Winter mentioned, and there's tons of great control and macro features as well. This game makes it really hard to go back to other RTS games, it's just too good!

[@bobbyfactor1890]

Very apt!

[@gabiballetje]

@@KraziEyevin Yeah, and not a studio behind it as such, but gamers. It is still a bit of a niche game, it's not the huge well known game like some C&C games for instance were in their day, but then again, this is probably the most successfull current RTS, it has a serious following. They're doing what studios apparently can't or at the very least won't do. And yeah, they added extras but also things you'd think should be more of the norm nowadays.

[@Hex301]

I was asking for more BAR, I was not expecting a 50 man brawl. I can't wait to see how this turns out.

[@laurentallenguerard]

Total Annihilation was the first RTS on my Pentium 100, such a graphic revolution back then!

[@PInnHeAd]

The music in TA also holds up today, it is so damn epic and powerfull!

[@LeetoSilver]

Still have my copies of TA and the expansion on CD ROM 😂Love the game and it’s awesome to see a successor

[@Rellana1]

@@LeetoSilver I wore out multiple copies of the CD,as I played it that much. Steam didn't exist back then.

[@andregon4366]

It was a shock to me. I was used to Dune 2 and C&C Red Alert, and then I booted up TA and I was like "WOW!" I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

[@KVB19872]

Brawler spam! lol! LOVED That game.

[@wanjanechtangroeger]

Didn't know this was possible! Such an epic and chaotic battle - I can't imagine how stressful it must feel to play at this level and to know that any second something could come up and just nuke your whole eco. Plus coordinating all this effort with a team of 25 - just insane!

[@JonasEide]

Rogue Nechtan comment, haha. Cheers man, love your blast beats! You keep the same APM as you do BPM? 😎

[@wanjanechtangroeger]

Thank you! Haha, no! I suck at RTS games and often find it too stressful to play myself. I did play Starcraft BW back in the day and have dabbled a bit in BAR, but usually I prefer games that don't need that much multitasking. It is super fun to watch though ;) @@JonasEide

[@simonsomething2620]

It's simple really. Everyones on a team, but mostly doing their own thing. Order in chaos style. And yeah, games awesome, playing it too! Mostly Nutty raptors tho :D

[@k.i.t.t118]

@@wanjanechtangroeger like me

[@billmurray2592]

I can only imagine the wargame level of unit integration along with this massive scale of RTS. My perfect pipe dream

[@UnknownSquid]

"Wargame level of unit integration"? What does this mean? ( Genuine question. Just curious and not quite understanding.)

[@billmurray2592]

@@UnknownSquid there are set of games on steam called Wargame European escalation, Airland battle, and Red dragon. They have huge rosters of units that are well implemented down to small details.

[@n0rman908]

@@billmurray2592 I mean warno/wargame is close, when you take into account actual models on the battlefield its also in the thousands in a 10v10 if everyone has around 200 troops and 20 tanks/AA out

[@StretchyDeath]

OMG! Winter bringing back BAR??? 🤩 Edit: saw the video's conclusion... Be smart & take care of yourself, Winter. Hopefully you'll find a way to continue to do BAR justice in the future. Playing, casting, a random scav map popping up after a month... I'd be happy with whatever you feel is right for you. Cheers!

[@davidtidwell6120]

This makes me so dam happy. I remember running home and doing homework done ASAP just to play TA. This brings back happy memories!!!

[@smobro]

So glad to see you doing BAR videos again! BAR has soo much potential to be the top RTS!

[@Barbarossa97]

If it had actual diverse races it would be excellent. Now it is too cartoony and samey

[@TerrariaLp1]

@@Barbarossa97 thats just a thing for the moment thought im pretty sure since they already have a experimental third race(legion) ingame that is quite different from arm and core but its still not fully fleshed out but it looks really promising especially the rapid fire artillery of legion is very interesting aswell as its commander wich is completely differend and its air. it doesnt have water units yet though but im sure legion will be fully implemented once its fully fleshed out and balanced

[@Barbarossa97]

@@TerrariaLp1 I would argue they need a completely different biological race.

[@OzixiThrill]

@@Barbarossa97 That would require some rather radical design changes, which will likely be a complete nightmare to properly implement. It would also have some rather massive balance implications as well.

[@mrmeepsyt5917]

What is Bar?

[@Alomoes]

For reference, the land that Blue lost was ~100k energy. They were making 460k at that point. Red was capped at ~360k on land, and they were losing sea. It was pretty over way before this just because I think Red overcommitted to attack land, which wasn't even close to worth it considering how much Blue had at sea. If red had expanded more eco in the ocean instead of spamming as many experimental units, this would have been a very different game.

[@pessimisticsnake7989]

Mind blowing to see. Just seeing the player list alone taking away the entire right side of the screen is enough to give me awe. Wonderful cast! Would love more bar vids

[@dicerson9976]

To really hammer it home just how well optimized this game is The framerate we were seeing from most of the players, and the time dilation as well (a few even said in chat that it took a few seconds for orders to go through), is the kind of stuff you might normally see as a standard issue occurence in both Supreme Commanders and the space-based successor Planetary Annihilation. These are games with playercaps, framerates they hit when running a couple thousand units across 16 players in an 8v8. Beyond All Reason hits these frames at 25v25, with 9k+ units on the map. If you play the game "normally" at its typical scales, even a bad computer could run it smoothly with potato mode turned on. There are very, very, very few games in general that can boast that degree of performance- let alone do it with this level of graphical fidelity (and this is the *lowest* settings, and it still looks pretty dang good!)

[@gubjarturnilsson4591]

This is not reasonable. This is insanity! And I love it!

[@AndrewChumKaser]

Wow, it must be beyond all reason.

[@EsperTripL]

Every time you make a BAR video I get inspired to check it out, I have found memories of playing Total Annihilation when I was younger. I appreciate all of your videos and hope to see more BAR content when you have the time and energy!

[@Moldybeard]

so cool to see people trying to make massive multiplayer matches like this in anything, it was also super entertaining

[@isaachepworth7860]

While not having played BAR, I have played SupCom, and the best part of this was how you reacted when the chain reaction took out an entire base, because it isn't the sort of thing you need to worry about in SC, but is very much a thing in the TA games and their spiritual successors.

[@Atoll-ok1zm]

BAR is an incredibly impressive project and is an example of all the best parts of open source software. It's got QOL features to a level I've never seen in a game before.

[@ricardoarevalo6946]

This is effin cool. More of this please. Seeing those daisy chain reactions is so satisfying lol

[@LionUnchained]

I don't even play RTS currently but found this compelling and captivating to watch, the scale is just insane

[@yshomatsu]

That was insane to watch with so much going on no one would be able to keep up with it all. You did great, kept from being overwhelming with information but still showed/explained so much to us. Thank you for this video

[@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025]

This Was An Epic Story, I Was Personally Rooting For The Reds To Win, Throughout The Whole Early Game I Was Hoping For A Massive Counterattack As The Blues Were Pounding Again And AGAIN On Our Base... ...And Then It CAME, The Reds Used Their Advantage In Resources Built A Calamity And Wrestled Control Of The Seas. Then The Reds Started Their Advance On The Land, Deep Into Blue Territory, Victory Seemed To Be In Our Grasp All My Prayers Seemed To Have Paid Off *But Then...* *...Set Back After Setback* *Radio Filter* They Wrestled Back Control Of The Sea! Their Last Bastion Fell And We Are Pushing Them Back In The Wate- Wait What Is That In The Back Of Our Base? Sh*t Green Juggernauts! *KABOOM* F*CK OUR ECO IS DEAD! They Are Taking Back The Land! WERE ARE THOSE COMMANDERS?! BLUE FLAGSHIPS ARE POUNDING AT OUR LAST BASE! THE REACTORS ARE EXPOSED THEY ARE GONNA GET H- *KABOOM* WE NEED TO STOP THOSE GREEN JUGGERNAUTS THEY ARE GETTING TOO CLOS- *Radio Cuts* F*CK WE LOST A COMMANDER! I'll Follow Them And Hit Them In The Rear Where It Hurts The Most. Wait I Think They Spo- *Radio Cuts* Well Sh*t I Think It's Over, GG Bois *The Blues Turned The War Around*

[@fred53421]

i discovered this game, watch your starcraft content regularly and started watching your BAR content from 6 months ago on your second channel. Glad to see it back!

[@olegoleg258]

This was an awesome match. I was rooting for the team in the top the entire time but damn, this match was close! The battle tide turned so often that it's basically a whirl storm at this point. Thank you for streaming!

[@Hoody1147]

Something is in the air... i just went and downloaded TA Kingdoms trying to play this game again recently! Nice!

[@FlavarOlonar]

I love the cast you do of this game. I wrote thsi before this video ended. Thank you for covering it as much as you did and for bringing it to my attention

[@safrussalmus9056]

Ohh, the first ever Winter Cast of a game I was in!!!

[@XeroTheRenegade]

Glad you stopped back by Beyond All Reason Winter! You looked and sounded more energised after your break mate. Loved the coverage! Definitely a hard game to balance playing and content creation on, since there's just so much going on. Well done to all the players and the Devs for making something like this possible, truly Beyond All Reason!

[@wayner2ll704]

Awesome!! Thanks for sharing. Long one, but what a turn at the end with the sea push.

[@vincent78433]

so cool to see a team finally taking up the mantle of supreme commander supreme commander FA was a technical marvel when it came out in 2007 and it crazy to think that it took this long for anyone to even really attempt to match it

[@kylethompson1379]

Sanctuary: Shattered Sun

[@vincent78433]

@@kylethompson1379 looks pretty sick, hope it turns out well 👍

[@genericgoosereturns]

zero-k

[@NoNameAtAll2]

why not Planetary Annihilation?

[@vincent78433]

@@NoNameAtAll2 cause it sucked ass

[@user-nr8fs4pj9q]

"I'm just surprised we found enough colors to make this all make sense" LOL

[@Kashakunaki]

I watched every second. Thank you. That was wonderful. Do whatever you need to do for you, Winter. The thing you love as your job can be difficult. I hope you can find a balance that works for you.

[@Ghengis443]

Omg, im in! I loved total annihilation so much growing up as a kid. Happy to see i wasnt alone thinking this was the greatest rts ever made.

[@VirtualNails68]

Holy nuggets! I started playing BAR after seeing this and it is completely off the chain! This game is siiiick! Please do more content on this game! I loved Total Annihilation as a teen and this is a game made by others who loved TA and they are doing it the right way. Screw Blizzard, am I right?

[@jesseweber5318]

I am surprised at how well this runs with so many people and it being a community effort

[@Dozer456123]

Thanks for casting this game Winter! BAR is such a sick game and it needs more players!

[@CheapSushi]

a lot of epic moments in this giant battle. @ 57:30 was INSANE

[@TheRealTobias]

I didn't plan to fully watch this, but this battle was so epic that I did it anyway. Great stuff!

[@rookandpawn]

If it wasn't for you I would have never heard of BeyondAllReason. Thank you so much, I am a huge fan of Total Annihilation.

[@frydac]

Thanks for the cast. I knew (of) the game before you started playing it, but give up early as it was a bit overwhelming and I didn't want to put in the time to learn about it. I was already playing supreme commander and it took me a long time to get to some minimum level op competency at that. But because I followed your learning process in BAR streams and vods, I got motivated again and learned with you, and now it is still the game I put most time in each week and having a lot of fun. So thx for that.

[@kirand92gaming]

we love bar, hope to see more of you playing them as you did all those months ago

[@taylorolson6228]

Oh hey I played in these! You can see me (Tayzzer) boosting Ragna's lab right at the start for the op win on middle sea! Longtime fan of the channel, and I always love to see Bar videos. There were some more really fun ones that day that would be sweet if you covered, like the 25v25 on the smallest map in the game, or the 50 person ffa! That said, take care of yourself and its ok if you don't try to do more than you can

[@khorneholy9798]

I love your BAR content, so happy right now ❤️

[@GarretGarlinger]

Thanks Winter!!! THat was a Great video! Watched the whole thing! :D I think your points about making videos are spot on. DO what you enjoy and record everything. I do a youtube channel (another account) and I also feel overwhelmed sometimes with wanting to make MORE content. LOL but You do a great job! Love star craft II and this game! keep it up man!

[@patrickbennett439]

Incredible information. Life changing! Astonishing content and presentation. 5000/10 sir!

[@tommysellering4224]

I will watch anything you broadcast, but this was very different and also very interesting. Thank you!

[@teacherwayne6680]

Played Total Annihilation back in the day and then Supreme Commander (and SC2). Good Video, im downloading now and will try!

[@lewisshemery2585]

This is awesome, would love to see more casts of this.

[@KraziEyevin]

The sound of the juggernaut laser is so iconic. Whoever designed it, kudos.

[@BeyondAllReason]

Thank you. IceXuick did all of the sounds in BAR.

[@1aatlas]

Watching this was a blast. With only so many hours in the day i can relate, but hopefully we can get a video like this every once in a while.

[@VirtualNails68]

Fun fact, I believe TA was one of the first games to introduce command sequencing (shift clicking).

[@prophetepc7717]

Finnally ! I love your BAR content, watched all your videos on the other channel ! I wish you would cast or play more, that would be awesome !

[@Ocelot56]

This is crazy! I had no idea this existed :o I love large scale rts this is absolutely perfect! If possible I would love to see more!

[@hobogod2692]

Thanks for showing off this game, definitely giving it a try!

[@truckergamer570]

Imagine if they had pings for every fight the whole map would be lit up

[@ChurchyPlays]

This was epic! The endgame battles and chain reactions were incredible.

[@Uegue]

It reminds me of Planetary Annihilation a lot, especially with the design of the commanders, how they move, even how they build stuff. It makes sense of course since both games are based on TA, but I played PA a lot as a kid so it naturally reminds me of it more.

[@mdg456]

ngl, this shown up randomly in my feed, and happy it did, this is lookin like an rts i can get behind and try out (im not good at them but i thoroughly enjoy them)

[@lastleft5809]

I see what you did with that intro Always glad to be here with the Winter casts🎉

[@norinthebold]

This game already feels incredibly deep and FUN. I can't wait to see it continue to grow ❤

[@bradburning]

Back in the PA days there was a work around to disable player cap. There where some 100 player games on small planets so not 100 players making full bases but was pretty epic. The devs did shut the work around down eventually to save severs from melting.

[@scxizm7828]

Holy shit this is fun to watch, cant imagine playing it tho

[@StretchyDeath]

Just try! It's a completely free download like Winter said

[@chloesmith4065]

I only have done the campaign and skirmish vs the AI 1v1 or 2vsAI with a friend, and it's much more manageable than 25vs25 hahaha

[@yenvon6157]

I would love to see more Beyond All Reason content from Winter

[@jayhosh8126]

The music was always amazing in total annihilation too but the combo of wreckage and scrap being left on the ground from things that got destroyed mixed with turning the sound system to the pc up and bass and purely hearing all the close and distant explosions was so epic

[@NisseHult101]

This was fun! I didn't know about BAR, this spiritual successor to TA and SupCom, so this was a nice surprise! Total Annihilation and (the first) Supreme Commander were some of my favorite RTS:es.

[@TurboCarotte]

BAR is even better

[@chloesmith4065]

BAR is fantastic. If you like these games, you would probably enjoy Zero-K as well!

[@caconymic]

More of this game oh my god. I've been watching more on your second channel and this game is such a joy to watch

[@darren538]

Love it and would love to see more!

[@sampsonsampson]

More BAR Winter. Love it, I played TA long before I knew what sc was and this is so fun.

[@JSs586]

Total Annihilation in 1997 is like 20 years ahead of its time. that game engine has some physic effect that no other RTS games could do, not even today, and not even in this BAR.

[@Barbarossa97]

SupCom 1

[@mrbigglezworth42]

I can't remember when a game let you casually nuke your opponent and it's not even the climax of the battle, but a pause to the ongoing war.

[@robertfogler9419]

I wish other rts games would have the same movement controls like this game. Being able to drag a group of units and form a line is great

[@ragetotheend]

That scale of players in a single rts game is amazing. thx for casting.

[@tank5183]

Entry for vid on point love it Perfect Mayhem to see

[@JohnSmith-rr8hp]

Love your casts, please do more BAR casts!!!

[@thundron]

that chainreaction was brutal on cold teams fusions :D

[@Barqop]

God I love supreme commander, planetary annihilation and games like this. They're so great with a bunch of players too

[@luukvanwolven4347]

57:40 Best highlight by far

[@alliev8035]

What a game, I want more of this! thanks winter~!

[@Dung30n]

This was an absolute blast to watch. Thank you to all participants and the wonderful commentator.

[@Salmacream]

I love the idea. I want to love the game. But I need to start smaller, so I can understand whats going on. I don't play starcraft, BAR, TA, ext. Im a stellaris player lol. So while a lot of this looks familiar, its not all coming together enough to understand and enjoy a 50v50. Like watching a 4 team free for all foot ball match when you play tennis.

[@chloesmith4065]

Yeah, he has casted some 1v1s, probably easier to start with.

[@UnknownSquid]

Yeah, definitely go look for some smaller games to get a better idea of what's actually happening. You'll see more comprehensible tactics going on there, compared to the big macro tug of war that this game was.

[@rickygreen5737]

3 quarters of the base is! (see's another mass explosion) NO! 4 quarters of the base is GONE! 57:38 lmao absolutely amazing commentary as always

[@micastewart7209]

In the best way, I'll miss your BAR content. Thanks for the fond memories and great videos! Take care.

[@uLu_MuLu]

That chain-reaction, how nice was that... :)

[@GoodEggGuy]

This was wonderful.

[@redwisp2689]

If you got any more 1v1 BAR pro battles that have gotten to tier 3, I would gladly watch it. My favorite BAR cast.

[@philipptar4288]

This was beautiful.

[@Tyler-vx6hp]

Thank you for this epic introduction to my new addiction

[@Obelion_]

im so looking forward to this. basically the supreme commander 2 we always wanted

[@thebiggestoneyouveverhad]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention! RTS should never die.

[@nilocblue]

Would love to see more games like this.

[@TheMarulito]

I remember back in the day with planetary annihilation coming out, it was wonderful, it did miss to make it stable and competitive enough to bring people in.

[@rubenbernal7933]

winter featuring BAR?!? is this a dream?!?

[@DBrew4xD]

He’s played in a few games

[@chloesmith4065]

He has more BAR content in his second channel

[@BibiGoPewpew]

now THIS is the kind of rts huge scale battle games i want god i cant wait to play im getting it rn

[@josephzelezniak5227]

sick!

[@deekay5611]

As someone who was just introduced to your content, I just want to say you are truly an inspiration. You really showed me that anything is possible…The fact that someone with your voice has made it a career to talk…truly amazing.

[@LJ-wo9xb]

haha yeah i had to mute him at times to get through the video

[@Baleur]

Would love to see you cast some "actual" Total Annihilation (probably with the resolution / ui mods that fix the high resolution stuff) or Supreme Commander!

[@Thalanox]

There's some re-make of TA with modern coding. I think it's called TA Forever. That might be getting mixed up with SupCom's Forged Alliance Forever fan-managed client.

[@DazedandInsane]

This was a lot of fun. Neved watched this game before

[@3komma141592653]

I think it is a good deed to shine some light on the game once in a while with your reach. You can help out this small game a lot, and that is already nice. You don't own anybody anything here anyway.

[@shmowpow5401]

There is another one like this called Zero-k It's older and it seems like they are pretty much the exact same. Same look, same icons, same colors, same everything.

[@Nico_Dica]

Simply the best RTS I played the last decade. Such a shame RTS games always give me headaches after 1-2 hours of gaming.. 😩

[@UnknownSquid]

Those "RTS intense focus headaches" xD I know what you mean. I go longer than that, but it's definitely a genre that makes me feel like I need to go lie down and just breath for a while, after a few hectic matches. I had a single free-for-all match last 5 hours once. The final two hours were spent fighting this last guy. It was hard to tell if it were more a battle of attrition in-game, or mentally. I eventually came out on top. Was glorious.

[@Tazzasaurus1]

so awesome seeing an identical replica of total annihilation in 2023 graphics....its crazy I still remember all the old school names of the units too. Honestly Im totally fine with it if thats what it takes to make this happen long term. Ill never forget though, juggernauts aka KROGOTH experimental battle mech. Ah good ole CORE vs ARM. Big Bertha battles across maps. Absolutely love it. Thanks for highlighting this Winter I would have never known about it otherwise