The biggest RTS battle ever?! Total Annihilation inspired RTS - BAR

[@leafykille]

This is what rts games should be like. This is a game by gamers for gamers. I want to see more of it.

[@chloesmith4065]

Winter has more videos of it on his second channel :D

[@NI4NIPvP]

See more? Just play it! I'm so glad BAR has broken the mold, I was playing it before Winter picked it up and it was hard to start a lobby, now you can drop in games any time of day. It's so great.

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

Having so many players is awesome as well. When we go to Arenas with 4 or 5 people on our team, it is easy to see those that are carrying and those that are being dead weight. Resulting in more toxicity. 25 players mean it is much harder to tell people apart. Only the collective exists. I want to play this.

[@LWT1331]

Well you're entitled to your opinion.

[@will-vi9pk]

Reminds me of Shattered Galaxy.

[@Baleur]

Seeing peoples mouse cursors as lit up spots on the ground is so cool, like eyes of sauron.

[@KraziEyevin]

This game has so many great features like that, you can see allied construction queues, there's the drawing and labeling pings like Winter mentioned, and there's tons of great control and macro features as well. This game makes it really hard to go back to other RTS games, it's just too good!

[@bobbyfactor1890]

Very apt!

[@gabiballetje]

@@KraziEyevin Yeah, and not a studio behind it as such, but gamers. It is still a bit of a niche game, it's not the huge well known game like some C&C games for instance were in their day, but then again, this is probably the most successfull current RTS, it has a serious following. They're doing what studios apparently can't or at the very least won't do. And yeah, they added extras but also things you'd think should be more of the norm nowadays.

[@Hex301]

I was asking for more BAR, I was not expecting a 50 man brawl. I can't wait to see how this turns out.

[@wanjanechtangroeger]

Didn't know this was possible! Such an epic and chaotic battle - I can't imagine how stressful it must feel to play at this level and to know that any second something could come up and just nuke your whole eco. Plus coordinating all this effort with a team of 25 - just insane!

[@JonasEide]

Rogue Nechtan comment, haha. Cheers man, love your blast beats! You keep the same APM as you do BPM? 😎

[@wanjanechtangroeger]

Thank you! Haha, no! I suck at RTS games and often find it too stressful to play myself. I did play Starcraft BW back in the day and have dabbled a bit in BAR, but usually I prefer games that don't need that much multitasking. It is super fun to watch though ;) @@JonasEide

[@k.i.t.t118]

@@wanjanechtangroeger like me

[@dicerson9976]

To really hammer it home just how well optimized this game is The framerate we were seeing from most of the players, and the time dilation as well (a few even said in chat that it took a few seconds for orders to go through), is the kind of stuff you might normally see as a standard issue occurence in both Supreme Commanders and the space-based successor Planetary Annihilation. These are games with playercaps, framerates they hit when running a couple thousand units across 16 players in an 8v8. Beyond All Reason hits these frames at 25v25, with 9k+ units on the map. If you play the game "normally" at its typical scales, even a bad computer could run it smoothly with potato mode turned on. There are very, very, very few games in general that can boast that degree of performance- let alone do it with this level of graphical fidelity (and this is the *lowest* settings, and it still looks pretty dang good!)

[@iwantgoat]

could use some work. big games end up .5x speed and low fps

[@laurentallenguerard]

Total Annihilation was the first RTS on my Pentium 100, such a graphic revolution back then!

[@PInnHeAd]

The music in TA also holds up today, it is so damn epic and powerfull!

[@Leeto16]

Still have my copies of TA and the expansion on CD ROM 😂Love the game and it’s awesome to see a successor

[@Rellana1]

@@Leeto16 I wore out multiple copies of the CD,as I played it that much. Steam didn't exist back then.

[@andregon4366]

It was a shock to me. I was used to Dune 2 and C&C Red Alert, and then I booted up TA and I was like "WOW!" I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

[@KVB19872]

Brawler spam! lol! LOVED That game.

[@davidtidwell6120]

This makes me so dam happy. I remember running home and doing homework done ASAP just to play TA. This brings back happy memories!!!

[@Alomoes]

For reference, the land that Blue lost was ~100k energy. They were making 460k at that point. Red was capped at ~360k on land, and they were losing sea. It was pretty over way before this just because I think Red overcommitted to attack land, which wasn't even close to worth it considering how much Blue had at sea. If red had expanded more eco in the ocean instead of spamming as many experimental units, this would have been a very different game.

[@billmurray2592]

I can only imagine the wargame level of unit integration along with this massive scale of RTS. My perfect pipe dream

[@UnknownSquid]

"Wargame level of unit integration"? What does this mean? ( Genuine question. Just curious and not quite understanding.)

[@billmurray2592]

@@UnknownSquid there are set of games on steam called Wargame European escalation, Airland battle, and Red dragon. They have huge rosters of units that are well implemented down to small details.

[@n0rman908]

@@billmurray2592 I mean warno/wargame is close, when you take into account actual models on the battlefield its also in the thousands in a 10v10 if everyone has around 200 troops and 20 tanks/AA out

[@pessimisticsnake7989]

Mind blowing to see. Just seeing the player list alone taking away the entire right side of the screen is enough to give me awe. Wonderful cast! Would love more bar vids

[@StretchyDeath]

OMG! Winter bringing back BAR??? 🤩 Edit: saw the video's conclusion... Be smart & take care of yourself, Winter. Hopefully you'll find a way to continue to do BAR justice in the future. Playing, casting, a random scav map popping up after a month... I'd be happy with whatever you feel is right for you. Cheers!

[@EsperTripL]

Every time you make a BAR video I get inspired to check it out, I have found memories of playing Total Annihilation when I was younger. I appreciate all of your videos and hope to see more BAR content when you have the time and energy!

[@smobro]

So glad to see you doing BAR videos again! BAR has soo much potential to be the top RTS!

[@Barbarossa97]

If it had actual diverse races it would be excellent. Now it is too cartoony and samey

[@SomeDude420]

@@Barbarossa97 thats just a thing for the moment thought im pretty sure since they already have a experimental third race(legion) ingame that is quite different from arm and core but its still not fully fleshed out but it looks really promising especially the rapid fire artillery of legion is very interesting aswell as its commander wich is completely differend and its air. it doesnt have water units yet though but im sure legion will be fully implemented once its fully fleshed out and balanced

[@Barbarossa97]

@@SomeDude420 I would argue they need a completely different biological race.

[@OzixiThrill]

@@Barbarossa97 That would require some rather radical design changes, which will likely be a complete nightmare to properly implement. It would also have some rather massive balance implications as well.

[@mrmeepsyt5917]

What is Bar?

[@Atoll-ok1zm]

BAR is an incredibly impressive project and is an example of all the best parts of open source software. It's got QOL features to a level I've never seen in a game before.

[@crimsoncreed3889]

People that cry 'resign' while others are still fighting are the kind of people I never look forward to in my team.

[@iwantgoat]

bar is not about winning or losing its just having fun and screwing around

[@crimsoncreed3889]

@@iwantgoat Not trying to be rude, but not everyone has that mindset. Let's be mature about that fact.

[@iwantgoat]

@@crimsoncreed3889 true. I've met a ton of losers on that and mute them. if they join my games i kick. but there are some cool chill people too. gotta make lists

[@Kashakunaki]

I watched every second. Thank you. That was wonderful. Do whatever you need to do for you, Winter. The thing you love as your job can be difficult. I hope you can find a balance that works for you.

[@Trancecend]

Can we talk about how much of a technical achievement it is for this many people to duke it out without crashes, desyncs or performance problems? Something NO AAA studios can't get right.

[@Invicta117]

This battle is happening on an absolutely SILLY scale!! Would love to be a part of one THIS BIG someday!

[@9and7]

Blizzard really knocked the new Starcraft Expansion out of the park with this. So well done Metzen, Morhaime and co.

[@olegoleg258]

This was an awesome match. I was rooting for the team in the top the entire time but damn, this match was close! The battle tide turned so often that it's basically a whirl storm at this point. Thank you for streaming!

[@taylorolson6228]

Oh hey I played in these! You can see me (Tayzzer) boosting Ragna's lab right at the start for the op win on middle sea! Longtime fan of the channel, and I always love to see Bar videos. There were some more really fun ones that day that would be sweet if you covered, like the 25v25 on the smallest map in the game, or the 50 person ffa! That said, take care of yourself and its ok if you don't try to do more than you can

[@epg-6]

This is what Dawn of War 3 should've been like.

[@Deamia]

It could have just been a slight gameplay/graphical revamp and slight redesign of the original DoW + it's many dlc's all together with a few new sides, and it would have a winner already.

[@BradBurning]

Back in the PA days there was a work around to disable player cap. There where some 100 player games on small planets so not 100 players making full bases but was pretty epic. The devs did shut the work around down eventually to save severs from melting.

[@Dozer456123]

Thanks for casting this game Winter! BAR is such a sick game and it needs more players!

[@XeroTheRenegade]

Glad you stopped back by Beyond All Reason Winter! You looked and sounded more energised after your break mate. Loved the coverage! Definitely a hard game to balance playing and content creation on, since there's just so much going on. Well done to all the players and the Devs for making something like this possible, truly Beyond All Reason!

[@rookandpawn]

If it wasn't for you I would have never heard of BeyondAllReason. Thank you so much, I am a huge fan of Total Annihilation.

[@KraziEyevin]

The sound of the juggernaut laser is so iconic. Whoever designed it, kudos.

[@BeyondAllReason]

Thank you. IceXuick did all of the sounds in BAR.

[@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025]

This Was An Epic Story, I Was Personally Rooting For The Reds To Win, Throughout The Whole Early Game I Was Hoping For A Massive Counterattack As The Blues Were Pounding Again And AGAIN On Our Base... ...And Then It CAME, The Reds Used Their Advantage In Resources Built A Calamity And Wrestled Control Of The Seas. Then The Reds Started Their Advance On The Land, Deep Into Blue Territory, Victory Seemed To Be In Our Grasp All My Prayers Seemed To Have Paid Off *But Then...* *...Set Back After Setback* *Radio Filter* They Wrestled Back Control Of The Sea! Their Last Bastion Fell And We Are Pushing Them Back In The Wate- Wait What Is That In The Back Of Our Base? Sh*t Green Juggernauts! *KABOOM* F*CK OUR ECO IS DEAD! They Are Taking Back The Land! WERE ARE THOSE COMMANDERS?! BLUE FLAGSHIPS ARE POUNDING AT OUR LAST BASE! THE REACTORS ARE EXPOSED THEY ARE GONNA GET H- *KABOOM* WE NEED TO STOP THOSE GREEN JUGGERNAUTS THEY ARE GETTING TOO CLOS- *Radio Cuts* F*CK WE LOST A COMMANDER! I'll Follow Them And Hit Them In The Rear Where It Hurts The Most. Wait I Think They Spo- *Radio Cuts* Well Sh*t I Think It's Over, GG Bois *The Blues Turned The War Around*

[@VirtualNails68]

Holy nuggets! I started playing BAR after seeing this and it is completely off the chain! This game is siiiick! Please do more content on this game! I loved Total Annihilation as a teen and this is a game made by others who loved TA and they are doing it the right way. Screw Blizzard, am I right?

[@gubjarturnilsson4591]

This is not reasonable. This is insanity! And I love it!

[@AndrewChumKaser]

Wow, it must be beyond all reason.

[@kbforme]

We have come such a long way since me and my buddy were trying desperately to play a game of Warcraft on dial up and constantly losing connection.

[@Moldybeard]

so cool to see people trying to make massive multiplayer matches like this in anything, it was also super entertaining

[@wayner2ll704]

Awesome!! Thanks for sharing. Long one, but what a turn at the end with the sea push.

[@patrickbennett439]

Incredible information. Life changing! Astonishing content and presentation. 5000/10 sir!

[@Hoody1147]

Something is in the air... i just went and downloaded TA Kingdoms trying to play this game again recently! Nice!

[@isaachepworth7860]

While not having played BAR, I have played SupCom, and the best part of this was how you reacted when the chain reaction took out an entire base, because it isn't the sort of thing you need to worry about in SC, but is very much a thing in the TA games and their spiritual successors.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

That's actually one of the things I liked about SupCom, because man, that is brutal

[@Ghengis443]

Omg, im in! I loved total annihilation so much growing up as a kid. Happy to see i wasnt alone thinking this was the greatest rts ever made.

[@fred53421]

i discovered this game, watch your starcraft content regularly and started watching your BAR content from 6 months ago on your second channel. Glad to see it back!

[@TheRealTobias]

I didn't plan to fully watch this, but this battle was so epic that I did it anyway. Great stuff!

[@Uegue]

It reminds me of Planetary Annihilation a lot, especially with the design of the commanders, how they move, even how they build stuff. It makes sense of course since both games are based on TA, but I played PA a lot as a kid so it naturally reminds me of it more.

[@anteep4900]

Quite impressive there's no paid-for, triple A RTS game that can compete with this!

[@ricardoarevalo6946]

This is effin cool. More of this please. Seeing those daisy chain reactions is so satisfying lol

[@FlavarOlonar]

I love the cast you do of this game. I wrote thsi before this video ended. Thank you for covering it as much as you did and for bringing it to my attention

[@teacherwayne6680]

Played Total Annihilation back in the day and then Supreme Commander (and SC2). Good Video, im downloading now and will try!

[@xdoMiNaL]

Tthe commentary is really good and enjoyable, I honestly do not know how you've managed to explain a 50 player battle and for it to stay logical haha

[@vincent78433]

so cool to see a team finally taking up the mantle of supreme commander supreme commander FA was a technical marvel when it came out in 2007 and it crazy to think that it took this long for anyone to even really attempt to match it

[@kylethompson1379]

Sanctuary: Shattered Sun

[@vincent78433]

@@kylethompson1379 looks pretty sick, hope it turns out well 👍

[@genericgoosereturns]

zero-k

[@NoNameAtAll2]

why not Planetary Annihilation?

[@vincent78433]

@@NoNameAtAll2 cause it sucked ass

[@kirand92gaming]

we love bar, hope to see more of you playing them as you did all those months ago

[@khorneholy9798]

I love your BAR content, so happy right now ❤️

[@LionUnchained]

I don't even play RTS currently but found this compelling and captivating to watch, the scale is just insane

[@frydac]

Thanks for the cast. I knew (of) the game before you started playing it, but give up early as it was a bit overwhelming and I didn't want to put in the time to learn about it. I was already playing supreme commander and it took me a long time to get to some minimum level op competency at that. But because I followed your learning process in BAR streams and vods, I got motivated again and learned with you, and now it is still the game I put most time in each week and having a lot of fun. So thx for that.

[@tommysellering4224]

I will watch anything you broadcast, but this was very different and also very interesting. Thank you!

[@mrbigglezworth42]

I can't remember when a game let you casually nuke your opponent and it's not even the climax of the battle, but a pause to the ongoing war.

[@st1kman2009]

Played 100s of hrs of Total Annihilation, many nights playing against friends, no sleep...... still got my original disks n box.

[@oafking]

"I'm just surprised we found enough colors to make this all make sense" LOL

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Was my first thought as well. All those different shades of blue and red lmao

[@MatsuroPalette]

now THIS is the kind of rts huge scale battle games i want god i cant wait to play im getting it rn

[@hobogod2692]

Thanks for showing off this game, definitely giving it a try!

[@sampsonsampson]

More BAR Winter. Love it, I played TA long before I knew what sc was and this is so fun.

[@safrussalmus9056]

Ohh, the first ever Winter Cast of a game I was in!!!

[@rickygreen5737]

3 quarters of the base is! (see's another mass explosion) NO! 4 quarters of the base is GONE! 57:38 lmao absolutely amazing commentary as always

[@mdg456]

ngl, this shown up randomly in my feed, and happy it did, this is lookin like an rts i can get behind and try out (im not good at them but i thoroughly enjoy them)

[@jayhosh8126]

The music was always amazing in total annihilation too but the combo of wreckage and scrap being left on the ground from things that got destroyed mixed with turning the sound system to the pc up and bass and purely hearing all the close and distant explosions was so epic

[@GarretGarlinger]

Thanks Winter!!! THat was a Great video! Watched the whole thing! :D I think your points about making videos are spot on. DO what you enjoy and record everything. I do a youtube channel (another account) and I also feel overwhelmed sometimes with wanting to make MORE content. LOL but You do a great job! Love star craft II and this game! keep it up man!

[@VirtualNails68]

Fun fact, I believe TA was one of the first games to introduce command sequencing (shift clicking).

[@fnhatic6694]

You could say "TA was the first RTS game to ____" about almost anything and it'd be believable. That game was nearly a decade ahead of its time in nearly every way. Hell Command and Conquer didn't even have build queuing.

[@NisseHult101]

This was fun! I didn't know about BAR, this spiritual successor to TA and SupCom, so this was a nice surprise! Total Annihilation and (the first) Supreme Commander were some of my favorite RTS:es.

[@TurboCarotte]

BAR is even better

[@chloesmith4065]

BAR is fantastic. If you like these games, you would probably enjoy Zero-K as well!

[@Dung30n]

This was an absolute blast to watch. Thank you to all participants and the wonderful commentator.

[@yshomatsu]

That was insane to watch with so much going on no one would be able to keep up with it all. You did great, kept from being overwhelming with information but still showed/explained so much to us. Thank you for this video

[@jesseweber5318]

I am surprised at how well this runs with so many people and it being a community effort

[@jayhosh8126]

Ahh yes, my childhood, total annihilation, starcraft, warcraft, tribes, counter strike, twisted metal

[@Retheraq]

REMOVE THE MOUNTAIN This note in the chat. 10.

[@3komma141592653]

I think it is a good deed to shine some light on the game once in a while with your reach. You can help out this small game a lot, and that is already nice. You don't own anybody anything here anyway.

[@1aatlas]

Watching this was a blast. With only so many hours in the day i can relate, but hopefully we can get a video like this every once in a while.

[@lewisshemery2585]

This is awesome, would love to see more casts of this.

[@Ocelot56]

This is crazy! I had no idea this existed :o I love large scale rts this is absolutely perfect! If possible I would love to see more!

[@prophetepc7717]

Finnally ! I love your BAR content, watched all your videos on the other channel ! I wish you would cast or play more, that would be awesome !

[@erictred4529]

I use to play this game all the time with a guy from Austrailia named Goose he was air and I was ground attack we were unstoppable. But we like to play with out Big guns cheesy way to win. Way to cast this Winter easy thumbs up bro you rock great caster as well . Hope you had a great Christmas and have a awesome future!

[@JSs586]

Total Annihilation in 1997 is like 20 years ahead of its time. that game engine has some physic effect that no other RTS games could do, not even today, and not even in this BAR.

[@Barbarossa97]

SupCom 1

[@tonypringles2285]

i'd love to be able to have rewind functions so i could go back and see the battle from every single part of the game you know? i wish uebs 2 added something like that. seeing it from just one place or having to move around is frustrating

[@mattbaxter688]

I feel a disturbance in the force....like 50 cpu all cried out in pain

[@lastleft5809]

I see what you did with that intro Always glad to be here with the Winter casts🎉

[@yenvon6157]

I would love to see more Beyond All Reason content from Winter

[@MikeMaragni]

I am now engaged in a minigame with myself, seeing if i can remember to like every video before winter asks. Having success so far

[@truckergamer570]

Imagine if they had pings for every fight the whole map would be lit up

[@ragetotheend]

That scale of players in a single rts game is amazing. thx for casting.

[@dahdoinkman854]

This is the RTS game RTS lovers want

[@Barqop]

God I love supreme commander, planetary annihilation and games like this. They're so great with a bunch of players too

[@redwisp2689]

If you got any more 1v1 BAR pro battles that have gotten to tier 3, I would gladly watch it. My favorite BAR cast.

[@Obelion_]

im so looking forward to this. basically the supreme commander 2 we always wanted

[@DazedandInsane]

This was a lot of fun. Neved watched this game before

[@BackWaveUnited]

Love the fact that the game have phases. It start off from your standard warfare to just full blown titan warfare

[@definitelyj.p.morgan245]

Looks so much like supreme commander, I love it

[@Salmacream]

I love the idea. I want to love the game. But I need to start smaller, so I can understand whats going on. I don't play starcraft, BAR, TA, ext. Im a stellaris player lol. So while a lot of this looks familiar, its not all coming together enough to understand and enjoy a 50v50. Like watching a 4 team free for all foot ball match when you play tennis.

[@chloesmith4065]

Yeah, he has casted some 1v1s, probably easier to start with.

[@UnknownSquid]

Yeah, definitely go look for some smaller games to get a better idea of what's actually happening. You'll see more comprehensible tactics going on there, compared to the big macro tug of war that this game was.

[@KommandantDahl]

Madness like 57:35 will never get old

[@ChurchyPlays]

This was epic! The endgame battles and chain reactions were incredible.

[@thebiggestoneyouveverhad]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention! RTS should never die.

[@luukvanwolven4347]

57:40 Best highlight by far

[@robertfogler9419]

I wish other rts games would have the same movement controls like this game. Being able to drag a group of units and form a line is great

[@deepthought708]

This game is still around? I love Supreme Commander 2!

[@norinthebold]

This game already feels incredibly deep and FUN. I can't wait to see it continue to grow ❤

[@JohnSmith-rr8hp]

Love your casts, please do more BAR casts!!!

[@chriswilde7246]

I used to play Total Annihilation years ago and loved it, got back into gaming recently and now have BAR. It is without doubt the best RTS game I have ever played. I wish other games were like this. Oh and the skirmish games are excellent too.