The BIGGEST Unsolved Mysteries in The Indigo Disk DLC... - Pokémon Scarlet and Violet

[@HoopsandHipHop]

What do you think about these mysteries? What do you think the answers ultimately are?

[@TheTj200]

I think her mom could possibly be the local Nurse Joy.

[@robinbroeders4473]

Don't forget about Whitney and lacey love pokemon to be cute

[@bigjalapeno7061]

Lacey's mom is a time traveler, creating a paradox lol

[@mattnielsen4203]

There might be one thing connecting Lacy and Elisa. It's a stretch, but at 6 mins you had a pic of both of them side by side. And I noticed the antennas(?), accessories (?) or whatever that are on Elisa's headset are interesting colors. One side is red, and the other is blue. What colors are Plusle and Minun? Red and Blue. When it comes to the Past Johto game and future Unova game there is something pointing to it. The Paradox Beasts and S.o.J. Why did the beasts get past forms, and the swords get future forms? I think it would be foolish to dismiss Past Johto and Future Unova games because of those forms.

[@Random89673]

Isn’t it obviously Tulip? Look at the identical wing accessories Lacey has on her arms, along with the similar color hairstyles

[@gundamgamer7060]

Lacey's brown eyebrows also imply that she dyes her hair pink, and it's naturally brown like Clay's.

[@MrEnKaye]

Thank you! I thought it was just me 😅

[@onetallpheeesh]

No no. Pink is simply Light Brown and it's natural. Duh. Like Kieran is a natural purple head.

[@madnessarcade7447]

There are people irl who have different color eyebrows from their hair that is natural

[@gundamgamer7060]

@@madnessarcade7447 oh, I didn't know that.

[@12parakeetsinahumansuit]

Maybe, but since Lian also has pink hair, it seems more likely that pink hair runs in the family and Clay just didn't get it. Or, alternatively and funnier, he dyes his hair brown lol

[@AceRide]

With Lacey, you'd think they'd mention if her mom is a gym leader too, considering they specifically mention that her dad is one.

[@ES-dp6tw]

Yeah that's another point of contention for me. Elesa's more popular than Clay and has her own brand of influence/notoriety, but there's only ever explicit reference to Lacey's father.

[@shanemiller1182]

Yeah I’m not really sure why Lacey’s mom can’t just be, like, a regular person we’ve never met

[@MattZRJSRoxy]

@@shanemiller1182 very true but you know how Pokémon fans get at least some of them, no one likes the mystery of ONLY knowing about 1 character's Parent

[@DeadmanHopping]

Eeeeeh, why did we decide that Lacey’s mom was a character we’d know at all, let alone a gym leader? Unless I’m mistaken, whenever characters have named family or ancestors, we really only see one. Like a mom, but not the dad, or like one ancestor.

[@MidnightLugia24]

Exactly!! Why can't her mom just be a simple NPC with nothing extraordinary or special going on, and would prefer to keep her life that way?

[@SleepyRowlett]

Exactly what I'm thinking

[@MrFiekie123]

Was about to comment this myself

[@Aeon1989]

My thoughts exactly. All we seem to know is she might be a model. Probably a rival to Elesa.

[@jaymckeown7601]

Because just Poketubers need to BS content because they have run out of ideas.

[@thanellen8757]

Here's an amazing theory... Maybe Lacey's mum is just a normal npc? Everything doesn't always have to connect, it just makes the world feel smaller if everyone is connected to everyone.

[@jaymckeown7601]

Thank you!

[@Arthion]

I think that is more plausible, besides we don't know how far (if at all) in the future S/V is from B/W(2) but there seems to be a pretty big age gap between Clay and any speculated candidates given that he seems pretty middle age compared to most gym leaders brought up that seem to be in their teens or twenties. Not that such romances can't happen but I'd think it'd be more plausible if he was already married at the time in B/W and it's just not brought up rationally speaking.

[@Beyond-Mysteries]

I feel that Lacey's mom is actually Driftvail's Nurse Joy, think about it. 1: Clay and Joy work close to each other, plus he sees her a lot. 2: They're both adults, I mean Witney is still around 13 to 16 when she was in Driftvail. 3: Fairy-type Pokemon seem more like the caring type that would heal someone.

[@ES-dp6tw]

Not impossible, and within reason that Joy could've moved to Nimbasa to give Lacey a better environment than Driftveil's busybody workloads.

[@insanityshimmerheart3875]

also, if the fairy typing NEEDs to be something she gets from her mom somehow, audinos mega is a fairy type i believe

[@chriskagamine358]

@@Beyond-Mysteries they said NOT impossible

[@Beyond-Mysteries]

@@chriskagamine358 I didn't say anything yet.

[@chriskagamine358]

@@Beyond-Mysteries I think I commented under the wrong comment. There was a comment that someone said "not impossible" and someone replied that the first person said "impossible"

[@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv]

Norman also works as a gym leader in another town away from Littkeroot where family lives too. So its not that odd of a situation. Also besides the hairclips Lacey also shares wearing bow like ribbons tied on her outfit like Clay's ancestor Lian does on his arms too. That and she has Clay's eyebrow shape and eyecolor.

[@GoinGreninja]

Agreed. And in regards to who her mother could be, the best I and many others have come to ahead is thinking that Clay found someone of note in Nimbasa City. It could be someone of a normal profession or even a model (for those who still believe in that), but not Elesa in any way.

[@ES-dp6tw]

@@GoinGreninja Heck, it could be the mother was originally from Driftveil, but divorced Clay and moved with Lacey to Nimbasa. That would actually be quite narratively compelling; Clay frequently mentions his devotion to business expansion, yet also sits at the bottom of the mine to remind himself when he had nothing. If his wife did leave him and took Lacey, that doubles down on his introspection whilst also motivating him to start looking past his business and reconnect with his daughter.

[@GoinGreninja]

@@ES-dp6tw I actually quite like this idea. Who knows if it's true, but it'd be great if true, that's for sure!

[@Justic_]

@@ES-dp6tw I also thought that Laceys mom being divorced from Clay would be a valid option for why she lives in Nimbasa, but I feel if that were the case, if he really neglected his family for his work so much so that his wife divorced him, Lacey would have at least some negative reference towards him, but she seems to have no problems whenever someone brings him up, a good few other people in the terarium mention it as well iirc implying she never spoke up against it, and she also still uses the same ace as he does, implying some degree of admiration, so... that seems more unlikely to me.

[@ES-dp6tw]

Perfectly fair. It’s only conjecture right now, so his wife may simply have felt Nimbasa was a bettered place for Lacey to grow up rather than bustling Driftveil.

[@ricocav]

I don't see why Lacey's mom HAS to be some other important character. She's most likely just some random lady. I feel like the game would've mentioned her if she mattered at all, like they did with Clay.

[@maskpenn9443]

Oh her mom could just be a NPC we haven't seen, it's not unheard of

[@ES-dp6tw]

Honestly that seems most likely to me. Elesa's one of BW's most popular characters, I couldn't imagine them missing a beat to directly reference her especially if she has had a kid, but only Lacey's father is given any genuine focus.

[@RoyArkon]

Yeah it might be.

[@MidnightLugia24]

Came here to say her mom could just be some nothing-special NPC who prefers to keep life simple and herself out of the spotlight.

[@MidnightSky64]

I think that since Lacey is from Nimbasa her style could be influenced by Elesa since shes a model and definitely popular with girls and fashion :)

[@Arthion]

Far more plausible.

[@phoenixblade8315]

Or Lacey’s mum is a random NPC. These theories are too wild and bat sh!t crazy.

[@RoyArkon]

Yeah maybe it is the case

[@phoenixblade8315]

@@RoyArkon idk why people so bloody obsessed with making sh!t theories

[@GoinGreninja]

@@phoenixblade8315 It's because in simple terms, people want things to be interconnected, especially in a story, either for simplicity's sake or just because it's cool. While it makes sense to have some connections here and there, having too many may make people think that the story they're telling is way smaller in scope or just made out of pure contrivance, which is to say, it's not good writing form. That's why sometimes it's best to assume that some characters just come from unknown or unremarkable parents.

[@phoenixblade8315]

@@GoinGreninja I do agree with the aspect of getting people to engage but then this births wild theories which do not make sense at all. Neither of the proposed characters are likely to the mother. It’s like Gordie’s father, we don’r need to know.

[@moiav-nj6zr]

@@phoenixblade8315it’s the one that results the most clicks. Family ties and shipping I found this video quite surprising considering their past ones, there was way more to talk about for gen 9 than…Lacey’s mom for half of the video (I didn’t watch this part lmao)

[@GloomyFish]

There's no way Whitney can be Lacey's mother. She's a teenager! And in BW2 she's still seen to be the same age as in HGSS, while Clay is clearly much older. Even if time has passed enough for Whitney to grow up, it would be really weird and I doubt Game Freak would put that in the game

[@matigamer329]

But what's the time gap between BW2 and Scarlet and Violet?

[@xaviercurtis4838]

Plus Whitney also have the same shaped hair clips as Lacey if u look closely and their coats also only have 3 buttons

[@FrigidOven]

@@matigamer329 If in BW2 the age difference was already massive, it won't shrink no matter how far you go forward. Even if she was 20ish and he was in his 50s it would be strange and off putting.

[@The_One_In_Black]

There's no way she's a teenager. She was a teenager 3 years after Red and Blue were preteens in Gen I, and Red and Blue were adults in Gen VII. Whitney has to be in her thirties by now.

[@The_Red_Spy_TF2]

Still a massive age gap so game freak wouldn't do it

[@Nightfall1220]

I'm pretty sure that Lacey has dyed her hair because when you look at her eyebrows they are brown and actually a similar color to Lian's hair.. Obviously we've never seen a character dye their hair before but its a pretty common trope in media to show someone's original hair color with their eyebrows. It also makes sense that she would dye her hair pink considering how much she loves fairy types. But that's just my opinion.

[@hadalwisp3075]

even her eyebrows are relatively thick like his father

[@hhjan594]

Actually... There's a character who obviously dyed her hair, which is Elisa. That's one more point the Elisa theorists stand. See, Elisa is a fasion model. In BW she has blonde hair and in BW2 she has Black hair. To be honest, we don't even know if either of those colors is her natural hair color. This can also explain why Elisa looks nothing like Lacey even if she's her mother, because she's a fashion model, she is made to look beautiful thus can look a bit different to her family.

[@jeremykops]

Next game she'll be confused about her own gender too with the direction she's going 😭

[@ES-dp6tw]

@@hhjan594 We at least know Elesa's natural colour is blonde, since supplementary material references her changing hair colour to be part of her dramatic reimaging. But frankly it'd be odd that Lacey's overall colours don't align with Elesa; a darker shade of brown than her father and a more yellowish shade that doesn't line up with Elesa's blue. Not impossible, but odd.

[@bestwaifu3852]

She has pink/purple eyebrows, they're just really dark.

[@mototoe]

Remember, pokemon trainers don't get both parents. Dw about Lacey's mom

[@nemodog6977]

Let's also mention the huge age gap between Clay and Elesa and no mention of having a gym leader/model mother.

[@MCBlaZiKeN]

Lacey also has the signature brown eyes. I think she'll be the daughter of a fairy unovan trainer because this is the first time we'll be in unova since fairies were added

[@tripplec6798]

Feel like Lacey's mom may be Dr. Fennel. Reason being is that the outfit Lacey wears looks similar to a lab coat and Dr. Fennel's research with dreams involved munna and musharna with munna being a pink pokemon. Don't really recall any time Dr. Fennel and Clay have met up so there's also that. Another thing just realized is that Lacey talks about taking naps with her pokemon which goes a bit more with the dream research.

[@samuel.thornton]

From a visual perspective it's heavily implied Tulip is related to Lacey. Lacey's arm bands match the butterfly flair of Tulip's outfit. The purplish-pink color of Lacey's coat is the same color as Tulip's dress. They both have green/teal accent pieces. And the brighter pink of Lacey's hair matches the brighter pink accents on Tulip's fit.

[@ShayTheValiant]

Lacey's mom has got it goin' on She's all I want and I've waited for so long

[@greenoze]

I was looking for this comment LOL

[@MrEnKaye]

Damn, beat me to it 😂

[@crimsonemperor2219]

Freaking hive mind, I had the same idea😂

[@OKIGorgon]

When I look at Lacey's team, there are two non-fairy Pokemon. If we assume Excadrill is from her father, then maybe Galarian Slowbro should be from her mother? And there is a female, pink-haired Galarian Slowbro user: Klara.

[@derpy_mushroom531]

One other thing for Plusle and Minun. Is that they're conventionally "cute" which Lacey is all about

[@scarrantsandreviews]

2024: ILCA developed Black 3 and White 3 2025: Gamefreak developed Legends Johto. Legends Arceus/USUM team 2026 (Pokemon's 30th anniversary): Generation 10. Main team at Gamefreak

[@treenutbuster6086]

Tbh, lately game freak has been using every pokemon game as a beta test for the next game. Wouldn’t be surprised that they’re doing so much Unova content here to lighten the load for development of a Unova remake

[@conmanay4563]

Honestly the only reason I want to know the identity of Lacey’s mother, is because Clay in both games came off as a stern and incredibly busy. Lacey’s mom must have been someone special to catch his eye enough to have a kid out of town in Nimbasa

[@gigifabulous]

15:36 To add to your point here, it also stands out to me that Kitakami being a traditional Japanese setting with lots of Johto references is all about folklore from the past and history, and then the Blueberry Academy being this futuristic setting all with the latest technology and a literal preservation dome thing with all the Unova references. It's a literal past vs future setting across the DLCs.

[@bigjalapeno7061]

I never thought of that before but that's actually awesome

[@theeverywhere4391]

I think Lacey’s mom is just a random npc, everyone doesn’t have to be connected to someone important

[@konkros7495]

I don't think Lacey's mom matters. She wasn't brought up because it doesn't matter.

[@Messed-up-logic]

Maybe Lacey’s mom is the local nurse Joy. Lol. Also Elesa and Skyla ftw

[@brianmidkiff5408]

Lacy is obviously Fennel’s daughter. Lab coat, fondness for “cute” Pokémon (Fennel and Munna), and Fennel being a scientist/inventor would pair naturally with a businessman/investor like Clay.

[@shannim1205]

That was my first thought too 😮

[@namerif731]

While watching this was remembering could the Plusle and Minun Lacey uses be a reference to the first double battle you have when double battles were introduced, or am i barking up a wrong tree here?

[@alexjunio6348]

Why does Lacey's mon need to be someone that we know, can't she be just some woman that clay met?

[@browncow5210]

Pretty sure she dyed her hair. Lacey's eyebrows are brown, which I'm assuming is her natural hair color and the one trait she has in common with her dad.

[@morrisoneil3327]

She gives off the same vibes design wise as the fairy type kahuna in gen 7

[@deceptionz_]

. If anything it’s probably Elissa’s older sister or character who we haven’t been introduced to yet that is who her mom is

[@ES-dp6tw]

Could well be Clay had a wife in Driftveil, but she had divorced him or otherwise preferred to live in Nimbasa

[@NiyiDaNinja]

Lacey and Elesa have bangs and her earrings are the same shape as Elesa's headphones so that earring design could be a combo between both parents. Lacey's hair could be dyed like Elesa's too so the pink hair might not be genetic Just to add, I think Lacey's mom is someone we don't know yet, if it was Elesa I think they would've just said it. I just don't think there's a better existing character that could be her mother besides Elesa

[@GoinGreninja]

I gotta admit, while some small similarities do exist, they don't feel substantial enough for the Elesa connection, especially the dyed hair part.

[@NiyiDaNinja]

@@GoinGreninja I just feel like compared to N’s sister who is basically unknown, and Whitney who was a kid in BW2 and is from a completely different region, the adult woman from the same city Lacey is from makes a lot more sense lol. I think it’s a new character

[@GoinGreninja]

​@@NiyiDaNinjaHonestly, while I agree that both of the options he chose are poor in terms of the truth, I don't think however that Lacey's mother is even anyone we've seen yet, just like how we don't know say, Perrin's parents. She could be some girl from Nimbasa City for all we know, of whatever profession you can ever imagine. Which is to say, I don't think we'll ever get a proper answer, especially by forcing in character interactions that'll never happen. Clay and Elesa have nothing in common for example, and her appearance like her facial structure and such don't follow her at all. So it's best to bet on the random.

[@ES-dp6tw]

There is a possibility to it, but I don't feel it really matches up, given Lacey's brooches more evoke a mining brooch/the gemstones than headphones. The hair colour is debatable, Lacey's is darker than Clay but not close to Elesa's natural blonde, and she has yellowish eyes as opposed to Clay's darker brown or Elesa's blue.

[@caps894]

it makes more sense to me that a Unova game would take place is the past rather than the future. The fact that Lian was in Arceus and then Ingo drops out of nowhere is too much foreshadowing and hype to see what happens next for these two characters: More specifically why does Lian eventually move to Unova and will Ingo ever remember his home or his brother. Theyre both in the Pearl Clan so I can very much see them traveling together. This way the Unovan Legends game can show slightly older characters from the first one moving to Unova.

[@sheryljohnson8358]

Her mom is very much possibly the new psychic gym leader they both have the little butterfly things on the sleeves they both have pink hair and I believe they both have yellow

[@DaneOrschlovsky]

Lacey's mom was a bartender that Clay met on his travels. No deep lore, sometimes people just meet and make babies.

[@TheYoshiChannel-7]

Clay is confirmed to be 40 years old and Whitney is 10 to 14 years old why would Whitney be Lacey’s mom first cause that’s really weird but also because we know the BB Leaugue elite four are all teenagers probably above 14 so and you can’t be older than your mom that makes no sense

[@angelica6539]

I honestly hope they don't release anything next year, so they take more time to develop whatever is next. But hey, unova would be ok by me

[@GoinGreninja]

By next year, do you mean 2025? Because 2024 is very likely to have a new game dropping, by the looks of the schedule. But 2025 is completely uncharted territory and there could be some incentive to stop there too, so that The Pokémon Company can celebrate their 30th anniversary.

[@angelica6539]

@@GoinGreninja nah, I mean 2024. But I know it's unlikely. Tbh, I would want them to just develop in peace for 2024 AND 2025, but we all know that's never gonna happen

[@GoinGreninja]

@@angelica6539 Yeah, true that.

[@devilrider39000000]

My Prediction: 2024: Unova or Johto game 2025: Gen 10 2026: For the 30th anniversary game, they make us go back to Kanto

[@timbahr1792]

Sword and shield DLC had upgraded paint to the bikes called Sparkling White and Glistening Black. Those are probably the titles

[@Minymonkey]

I just say if it isn't going to reveal the next games villain or some actual connected timeline, it aint BIG like Lacey's mom could be dropped and we would never notice because we still raving about it

[@samm425]

What's the point of discussing Lacey's mom? Probably is just a random npc from unova not everyone has to be a major important character

[@ES-dp6tw]

Sincerely I do doubt Elesa could be the mother. There are particular facets to the designs and references that doesn't really align. Lacey has no astute reference to Elesa's electrical/technological focus, since her major aspects (gemstones, pink hair) are better served for the mining/fairy connnections. Not to mention it would just be really odd from a standpoint of narrative progression. Clay and Elesa have never had any meaningful interaction across mainline/supplementary materials in over a decade. Sure, time skip could make anything possible, but it'd stand out as creatively dissonant to slap two unreactive characters together over a kid. And even time skip might be detrimental depending on far along SV really is; we know Lacey is older than Kieran (14), putting her around 15-17. If she were anywhere before or around the events of BW/BW2, Elesa couldn't be the mother by virture of her acknowledging she's not a parent. It's possible, Gamefreak can do what they want. But I really don't think Elesa could be the mother.

[@Markcrazeer]

Not a bad idea, legends johto in march and bw3 in November.

[@maryo274artworks4]

Even with a time skip Whitney and Clay are like 30 YEARS APART! THAT'S JUST CRAZY 😅

[@dustinbenzel8704]

Are we ever going to figure out that missing section of the map on Paldea, you know a place that looked like it had DLC vibes. Or maybe there's something already about it, that I don't know.

[@GoinGreninja]

That place is just there to imply that Paldea isn't an island. That's it, there's not gonna be any DLC about it.

[@karlline445]

Maybe we'll get both a new Johto and Unova game of some sort?

[@RoMan-ul7ie]

I really hope we get unova and johto next year

[@RoyArkon]

I agree regarding Lacey's mom, it doesn't seem to be Elesa in any way other than אhe Nimbasa City connection. As for what's coming next, both Johto and Unova seem legit at the same level, so I can't put my finger on which one is next.

[@GustavoJua15]

The airship in the anime is even named after Asagi/Olivine town

[@emilyjeanstinson]

You can't really go off of hair color, because it could be a recessive trait (Look at Lian's hair). We don't always know who both parents are.

[@kanebekkattla3963]

even if lacey's hair is natural and not dyed there is another group of people with pink hair you've forgotten... all of the nurse joy's

[@sddreamcrystal]

It's quite possible that Lacey's mom is no one we know in the pokemon universe. I see people make claim that because Lacey's eyebrows and hair color don't match that she is implied to be dying her hair, which would make her related to Elisa.... but have y'all took a look at Amarys closely 😆 Her eyebrows also don't match her natural hair color. Crispin's eyebrows don't either, his are yellow/blond while his hair is red and orange (that could just be design choice for his type specialty). So it could be just a design choice and nothing to do with relation to other characters.

[@snakefish18]

I think Lacey buys her jacket from Tulip's brand

[@devonteedwards2093]

For Lacy's mom it has to be someone who finds some pokemon that are cute

[@MegaMilesprower]

I hope whatever comes next, it includes the last 7 pokemon who currently don't have a game to call home, the 3 elemental monkeys and their evolutions, and Furfrou.

[@Official_NGMRX]

What if Lacey’s mom is someone we have yet to see? I mean it wouldn’t be the first right?

[@TheYoshiChannel-7]

One of the main parts of this theory that you didn’t bring up was that both Lacey and Elisa’s whole thing is that they are all about cute Pokémon that is there whole theme that they both clearly share and Lacey died her hair pink so she probably does look more like her dad

[@elpabloescobar8278]

And clay could've gotten with a random character they made to be the mom.

[@jean-pierrebenzenique]

I’m pretty sure that Lacey’s mother is Dr.Fennel, since her proportion fits perfectly for each other tbh, I kinda disagree with the idea of Anthea or Whitney as the potential mother, they have never been seen working alongside Clay at all Clay and Elesa technically had been working together once in the first BW event, Elesa makes more sense to me rather than those 2

[@yungtuna]

I like this idea

[@lokitheblu8662]

I think Lacey’s mum is just a random person we won’t meet. The world tournament argument doesn’t really make sense either as giovanni appears there a world-known criminal.

[@Callum840]

Whoever Lacey's mom is, I bet she's got it going on

[@tonys202]

i still hope that they would give the next pokemon game 1 more year of developement, Just an info of No pokemon game in 2024 to make it better for 2025 would be a great decision in my opinion

[@IsaiahMusic_]

I'm going to have to disagree with you about Lacey's mother. I have no idea where you heard of that fake quote but I have never seen that before. The evidence that Elesa is Lacey's mother is too substantial, Lacey DOES look like Elesa I have no idea what you are talking about lol.

[@erich_ika]

There is no reason to especulate on Lacey's mother. In the Pokémon games there are thousands of characters who go unnamed, and the planet potentially has billions of people who will never be seen. There's no reason to believe Clay has to have a child with another story relevant character. This discussion is very odd considering many other characters are related and no one bats an eye, like how Drayton is Drayden's grandson and yet there's no one interested on who are his grandmother or parents. If I were to especulate myself, Lacey was adopted by her single father Clay. And then I move on.

[@MidnightLugia24]

I agree wholeheartedly!! Like you said, there are countless other characters with unnamed parents and/or relatives, so why the focus on Lacey?

[@tacobowler]

I think Lacey’s coat means we should investigate Tulip as her mother.

[@skirfan2435]

I have been waiting for your video about the mysteries and unsolved problems of this dlc and paldea from the day the dlc came out...... I hope you find many more loopholes and mysteries ✌✌✌✌✌

[@memiluccia]

I think that is enough to know that Lacey's father is Clay, we don't need an answer to any biological tree of every character, for what's the matter, Lacey mother can be a simple NPC. In general pokémon fans get too attached to who's the parent to certain characters, when is not the actual mystery of the games to be solved.

[@dracotias]

I feel like Lacey doesn't reference Elesa enough for it to be true. Like dispite being a fairy type trainer so also uses an Excadrill because EVERYONE knew what that would mean, she doesn't have any of Elesa's colours nor does she share a prominent electric type pokemon. There's nothing wrong with her Mother just being some "regular" woman.

[@sonicXstarhedgehog]

If Whitney is the mom of Lacey, it would explain why she sees all pokemon as cute, since Whitney just went as a pokemon trainer since it was "hip" and, if I remember correctly, she only grabbed whatever she thought was cute for her team.

[@ItsBro93]

For Lacy her mom could be the Nurse from Paldea. I mean she does have pink hair and given they both have crystal accessories and clay does as well. That was left out. BBA( Unova) and Paldea are like a halfway meet up so could be possible as well ever know with Pokémon.

[@legendsteelix9880]

A sudden thought came to my mind when i was thinking about what game we would get next.Then i thought that we might get Scarlet and violet enhanced versions.I know its wild but i realised whenever we guesssed a new game we got enhanced version of previous games 2 times in gen 5 and gen 7.

[@docxy7331]

Dlc has replaced enhanced

[@Sam_Ah8]

I think if we are going to Unova. It will include these new blueberry academy unova trainers. Maybe even another time skip where the bb elite four are gym leaders.

[@natmaneepol26]

I don't even see Elesa fucking with an old man like Clay. Unless he is an owner of a modelling agency or owns Unova's version of Vogue then it is possible.

[@WatchingCrow]

I feel like if we get a Johto game, it will be very similar to “Let’s Go Pikachu/Eevee” since it would be Johto’s second remake, just like Let’s Go was for Kanto

[@zackaryw8407]

Tulip could be Lacey’s mom. They both have pink hair and they both have fairy wings on their clothes. Tulip could’ve lived in Unova for a while, had a family with Clay, got divorced and left him with the kid

[@RJS2003]

The real unsolved mystery is why they can't just space out their releases more to give them more time in the oven. After BDSP I'm hesitant for any return to a previous region to be anything less than at least three quarters actually finished.

[@JulianBilly-dc9jy]

Nice video I just found your channel and I’m now a subscriber!

[@matthewbooth8487]

Here's the real parent-child relation that's interesting in gen 9; Mela being Flannery's daughter.

[@GoinGreninja]

Sounds much, much more plausible than N's adoptive sister or especially Whitney to be Lacey's mother.

[@silverdragon1314]

I know someone else mentioned it but im fairly convinced the nurse in paldea is related to lacey. She doesnt HAVE tp be the mom, as that seams like some runaway type stuff, but even an older sister thats off doing her own thing would be cool

[@Equ3strianGam3r]

To lend a little credit to your theory with Whitney, she says her Pokemon are cute but strong. Lacey says pretty much the same thing when you battle her at her elite 4 battle in the coastal biome. Yes, I know that's a stretch but maybe it's like a thing she learned from her mom, a love of cute, strong Pokemon.

[@TheYoshiChannel-7]

Why would they need to introduce the double battle concept if you have to beat the game to get there in the first place so you already had to fight Ryme and she has a double battle gym you had to know about double battles to get there so I still think Elesa is her mom

[@Justic_]

Yeah, I think in regards to Lacey, it's safe to say that Clays family probably just lives in Nimbasa, with especially in BW, but I'd also say in BW2, Driftveil being more so a city of workers... of which most of still probably don't reside in Driftveil. Not like Driftveil and Nimbasa are far apart after all, it's just a short road and the bridge. There's also that Clay is a businessman, and the business-hub of Unova seems to be Castelia City, so he probably also visits there a lot, so it'd make sense for him to have his residence between those two, in Nimbasa. And it also being the entertainment-hub of Unova, probably a preferrable place to raise a family for someone like him. And as for who her mother may be... probably just some "random" woman that's not further relevant to us. Not every characters parent has to be super relevant or someone we know at all.

[@morewi]

Strong disagree with the Johto remake thing. Gen 2 already had its remake, either make a new game that expands on it and makes it it's own region or leave it alone

[@bigjalapeno7061]

That would be cool

[@PixelPikmin]

The Whitney theory is one of the most tinfoil hat theories I’ve ever heard. Lacey actually dyed her hair( eyebrows are still brown) so I don’t think you’re close

[@Johan_4587]

Ehh, there some inconsistencies in your Lacey's mother theory for it to be even considered. For one, Clay is around 30-40 years old, and Whitney is only a teenager between the ages 13-16. It is FAR less likely for Whitney to be the mother over Elesa (which by the way is pronounce El-ee-sa, not El-eh-sa). Another inconsistency is using hair color as an argument for either side, because it is always shown that family members don't always have the same hair. Case in point in the very Unova Region, the brothers Cilan, Chile, and Crest all have different colored hair. And if you want to make the argument that they all just died their hair different colors, the same could be said about Lacey since her eyebrows are more brownish while her hair is pink. Any way you slice it, using hair as a factor just doesn't work well. Who's the only other notable character that HAS dyed their hair before? Elesa. Not saying that proves anything, just that using hair isn't really reliable in this case.

[@bigjalapeno7061]

People are saying that Clay is 40 but on Bulbapedia it's saying his age is unknown. Can you tell me where you get that info?

[@Johan_4587]

@@bigjalapeno7061 I'm not specifying with exact details when it comes to Clay's age. He just looks older than 20, and my guess was he was between 30-40. And Whitney just looks younger than 20, meaning she is a teen. She looks older than the 10 year old characters but either younger or the same age as the Unova main characters that are around 16 years old. Not to mention the tantrum she throws when she loses, and information saying her young talent was recognized by the Pokémon League to be a gym leader. No one REALLY knows the exact age, but if you just look at them they are clearly from different generations.

[@bigjalapeno7061]

@@Johan_4587 Oh ok. There's another comment on this video saying they have confirmed ages but I didn't know where they were getting that

[@Johan_4587]

@@bigjalapeno7061 I see, we’ll confirmed or not there are details that are inferred that Whitney is a younger girl and Clay is an adult with a mining business. And they visibly look different ages so I assumed.

[@bigjalapeno7061]

@@Johan_4587 Yea fair enough. That makes sense

[@Pineapplepear]

I would love a game where they don't make a new legendary but focus on one of the many mythicals they never gave much love. Jirachi, Hoopa, Celebi, etc. never got much love in the mainline games outside of event pokemon and small side quest

[@SegaMario]

16:27 Don't think I don't notice you sneaking in that broken looped song, mate. Seriously, what is your deal with that?

[@thelancasterkidd4240]

Counter argument on Whitney and N’s sister being Lacy’s mom. Lacy’s hair could possibly be dyed. Look at her eyebrows. Color is brown meaning it’s her natural color. The pink could be dyed to show she’s a fairy type based trainer and could consider it looking cute on her. A character who also dyed their hair in Unova is Elise.

[@ES-dp6tw]

A fair point, though Elesa's darker brown shade and eye colour doesn't align with Elesa's natural blonde or blue eyes. It would be odd that she wouldn't have more explicit reference considering Elesa's popularity, yet only fixate on details associated with Clay.

[@snorsnorz]

Lacey's Mom is a random NPC that doesnt exist in the game. Why would Whitney, a teenager be a candidate. That's absurd.

[@ElizaGWR]

My conclusion for Lacey's mom... Someone we've never seen. Not everyone needs to have multiple famous parents. One of their parents can just be a person. Also my opinion of what is coming next year... a Johto game next year is the 25th anniversary of Gold and Silver... and 2025 is the 15th anniversary of Unova, so my theory is a Johto Legend game in 2024 and a Black and White 3 in 2025.

[@bigjalapeno7061]

Maybe the games could even be related

[@APRobertsVII]

Look at Whitney’s hair clips. They are the same shape and color (gemstones excluded) as Lacey’s. I wasn’t on board with your idea, but there you go. Also, Whitney has a Miltank and Clay is a Rancher, so there you go.

[@DreamWarriorPaige]

Yes hoops. . .the Whitney theory IS crazy.

[@katiesheerin]

i really dont think clay and elesa would work out. question: did clay ever mention lacey in bw or bw2 ?

[@Azzinothful]

I would be very interested in black and white legend with the story focusing on truth and ideal prince conflict.

[@bigjalapeno7061]

Lacey's mom has got it going on!

[@ghosty4]

Did I just not pay any attention at all to the conversation where Lacey said Clay was her father?

[@danielmata610]

Whitney has hair clips on the side of her hair in the same shape as Laceys hair clips.

[@epicender12]

If Lacey's mom is a prominent character in the Pokemon series, I believe it could possibly be tulip. I've never seen anyone make this stand but I've always thought it. Elesa is a model and so is tulip. From what I remember clay and elesa were good friends in b2w2 and had some friendly banter during the story, so there's a chance that he could have went to some sort of modeling event to cheer her on and happened to meet tulip there. Considering that tulip is a model and a gym leader it would make some sense as to why there could be some similarities and Lacey never mentions any details about her mom.

[@LunarWingCloud]

I think the Whitney theory has merit because both Lacey and Whitney are obsessed with the idea of "cuteness" on top of everything else you said