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The king of stupidly massive scenery is BACK ladies and gentlemen and today we officially kick off an absolutely massive build of the most famous location in all of Warhammer, the Imperial Palace on Terra from the grimdark universe of Warhammer 30000. This build is going to be an absolute monster, and I have actually already been working on it in disguise for well over a year. In today’s video we’re going to explore how on earth I’m going to tackle such a massive behemoth of a build, look at some of the techniques we have at our disposal and give you guys an update on all the progress so far, as well as the plan moving forwards. So without further ado let’s begin the biggest build in the history of Zorpazorp. Well for now at least.
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[@Zorpazorp]

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[@Thisisabucketboi]

I’d say that to make sure you don’t lose the attention span of your viewers, I think it’s best you mainly focus on your imperial palace piece. Still push though with your other projects, but be sure that you can finish a module of your city as well. (Not intending to offend you in any way- That is my main fear!) I also found that people really liked when you made your own pieces, as you are the person who makes cool stuff after all!

[@roll4initiative608]

I'd say to go for this chunk of the palace then move back to middle-earth as it could help with the algorithm

[@Jonny.Y]

I’d agree that the Imperial City is great and would love to see it finished or at least this part. LOTR is great but not as current for audiences. Great video! I’m trying to interact with it as much as possible to support the channel.

[@lukehutchison3732]

A bit biased comment but carry on with empiral palace like a film series building up the hype for the next instalment instead of going to a new project leaving people to forget about the board. Basically finish each project one by one

[@Ben_dude]

I love MESBG more, but I would expect it to get less views so go for finishing this project. Probably more efficient as well for your time.

[@ClintFrost-vb2hf]

I think you should just make mini-series. These couple months finish one project, the go to the next. That way you get the boost to your motivation when a project is completed and released. Then it will be less pressure on your shoulders.

[@merengueatang4]

Also, as a viewer, I much prefer it, because it feels like things are happening and progress is being made, and even though this isn't a project I particularly cared about, now I'm interested in it and want to see the end.

[@MisfitHobbies]

I’d totally agree with this, sometimes when I see a video for a different project before the other one was finished I can think that the others been abandoned. Totally understand with production limitations etc that may not always be possible

[@taupathfinder657]

what also would be cool would be a tutorial like series like back then with the gondor build where he showed how he made the stuff more in detail and how you can make it yourself

[@benmur95]

That’s what it seems like he’s doing, his past 3 videos have been on his Imperial Palace. Super epic to see!

[@randomusernameCallin]

I have been watching Bricksie's daily video about seting up his lego studio. There is something to being a part of the journey.

[@willvincent4829]

Love the new format of completing little bits at a time helps stop the videos from getting too samey.

[@Zorpazorp]

Yeah I think so too Will and it's also wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more interesting and satisfying for me to make too!

[@willvincent4829]

@@Zorpazorp I found that in my model painting as well, doing batch painting is more efficient but it's so much more fun to do one at a time and get that feeling of completing a model gives me the motivation to do the next and that's what its all about being motivated to go straight into the next model and a motivated hobbyist is a happy and more productive hobbyist I find. Plus the models tend to come out better as you don't hit the point where you go screw this I just wanna be done and start rushing/not taking as much care as you would normally and you end up with a worse model and less motivation to paint more. It's so nice to see you so excited about your work it really shows in how amazing the board is looking.

[@javiosado4459]

More imperium palace please!!!

[@StealthVenturi]

HES BACK! Loving the Imperial palace build right now :)

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you Venty!!! Me too mate :)

[@scleless1342]

More imperial palace for SURE! Love seeing this stuff. I've always wanted to make a huge diorama of the War in the Webway 2.0 with Guilliman wielding big-E's sword along with Grey knights and Custodes and The Lion fighting Abbadon/Drachnyen and Belakor etc..

[@leo2a7dk]

Right there with you. Love my Dark Angels and the Grey Knights.. Those biiig dioramas that play around in our heads....🙃😉

[@maciejbarwicki]

Referring to your question on how to structure the release schedule. Recent block of Imperial Palace videos was very good and interesting. Im glad you followed the communities hints on how to increase viewer attention. Its working well. I understand that after such a run you may be in need for a break/ breather in the Imperial Palace series. You suggested hopping in to another big project like Minas Tirith. I think this would be going back to the previous habits of the channel that you are trying to change Please cosider another option. Make a one-off video about something completeley different, exactly as as break from the big modeling projects. A break for the viewers and for you as well. It could be something remotely related or heck, even completely unrelated to miniature wargaming. Go outside, NZ is fascinating on its own and lots of people around the world dream about visiting it, but are not able to. Show us the local mini stores, gaming communities, maybe more LOTR related locations? You can tie in gaming topics into many contexts. Maybe you have some more Weta Workshops material left? Do a self contained episode on anything, then go back to the big projects. Your brain will get a moment of rest and youll figure out what will be the best next step.

[@ethankinney551]

I 100% support this idea! A one off video on another aspect of hobbying in NZ then back to the mega project (Ministireth???!) would be great.

[@MarkBeetham]

This is a good call! The main reason most of us watch your videos is because we like your personality and enthusiasm. You could easily get away with putting out the occasional lower effort video that focuses on some other part of the hobby. Get some interaction with other people in there. You're a great presenter (see Weta Workshop series), so you could lean into that and give your painting hand a break.

[@gpm24cam]

@@MarkBeetham This is exact;y what I was thinking. The enthusiasm is such a big part of the channel that the biggest thing for me is Lachie not pushing any further into burnout territory. So @Zorpazorp, I think you deserve to do whatever you'd like to do most.

[@joesturn7740]

This sounds like Little Wars TV but for LotR and that sounds PERFECT

[@Thisisabucketboi]

Woah, I just noticed 66 people watched this video in 2 minutes! This channel is in good hands.

[@LiliaArmoury]

24 minutes in and he's at over 1k, i am happy to see that

[@Alea_Rasa]

Very inefficient, you'd only need 10 people to watch the whole video in a bit under 2 minutes

[@lukevalentine9056]

I for one am loving the Imperial Palace, seeing what you're able to do with the kits is inspirational and it feels like there's a really good momentum to it. But happy with either!

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you Luke!! I'm really stoked on the Palace at the moment too :)

[@crabby5700]

I love this build so much! MORE of it please!!!

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you Crabby!!!!

[@anonymoose7412]

I'm still not bored of the imperial palace builf

[@Zorpazorp]

That's awesome!!!

[@cameronroyce5740]

Your builds have been so inspiring man. Working on my own osgiliath build right now and referencing your videos constantly. Whether this project or middle earth, your stuff is absolutely my jam and I’m always pumped to see more! Long live lachie, the zorpwife and his 3 zorplets 💪

[@Zorpazorp]

Aww thanks Cammy

[@origulator]

I would absolutely love to see this project continued on before the older stuff!

[@pt1457]

MORE PALACE! That's my vote! Such an epic build.

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you mate!!!

[@brendenconolly7161]

Finish the palace dude, it’s coming along nicely!

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you Brendo!

[@danesorensen1775]

Max respect to anyone making a board that is both a) Built in Epic scale, and b) Requires a ladder.

[@Dorsidwarf]

Wow! Looking so awesome to see things painted up and stuck together, Zorp!!!

[@stevenk7801]

I love watching the Imperial palace build as continuing episodes. Feels like you're in the zone with it and i always look forward to seeing it grow and get more and more epic

[@NogrimStoneson]

ive been building a 3' x 5' city table that splits down the middle to double as nerdy end table displays, ive been working on it since about a year before covid and its still only about half way. seeing big builds like this pounded out at this speed is wild and keeps me plugging away at the project when those "this is never going to be finished" pains hit

[@loenk2651]

It looks so good when painted. I especially love all the blue spires.

[@Zorpazorp]

Yeah me too I think I want even more too, I've got a bunch left so I might try and get heaps more in the next rampart!

[@SwordlordRoy]

7:46 YES! I made it on a Zorpazorp video! Mispelling Lachie as Lochie, but still...

[@Zorpazorp]

Hahahaha nailed it ;) sorry not sorry for the pic spam

[@SwordlordRoy]

@@ZorpazorpNo problem mate! If anything, I kinda miss it!

[@realmfire7878]

i want to see more imperial palace! i've been on a 40k kick again so im abit biased there

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you buddy :)

[@gavinjames1145]

The modular mega gaming board blew my mind: representing the whole Imperial Palace is impossible but smaller sections can be represented by rearranging core sections. Brilliant!

[@alexandrosmograine3094]

What I personally would like to watch is the whole process video, with your thoughts and comments, while you are doing it. Especially when I am at work I can not follow up on the different communication channels. However if you are able to release something like "directors cut" or "uncut" version of the process, this is what I would watch, this is what I would be grateful. Cause when I return back from night shift, itis really nice and relaxing to be able to watch you, while eating breakfast before going to bed.

[@nyet_maker7948]

Maybe a second channel for that, to not mess with the algo?

[@seasonallyferal1439]

Would love more palace vids.

[@microforgeminis]

Love the result of that quick and dirty ink wash. I feel like so often we are trying to be too clever or too perfect with how we approach techniques. The results looked sick and way better than doing the whole flow aid etc etc. Ps you’re a mad man for that photo shoot. I mean I already knew that but just throwing down base ready and taking photos. Hahahaha I love it dude!

[@Zorpazorp]

Yeah the art director from my film days came out in me there, all that mattered was the photos! Then has to re do it all the next day to get it good for gaming hahahaha

[@jasonyang2101]

Praise be to Zorpazorp.

[@jeremygriffin620]

I have very much enjoyed watching the Imperial Palace come together. If you want to hold on to this format and finish it out, I'll be here, watching, giving the thumbs up, and commenting. Thank you for your beautiful work, you are an inspiration to a crafter.

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you so much Jeremy!!!

[@star_wars_miniatures]

Magnificent work!

[@Zorpazorp]

Glad you like it SWM!

[@coolguy10060]

Oh yeaah awsome work as always zorp. As for your qeustion just roulette it around minestyreth Middle earth then the palace etc

[@EntmootVideos]

I have enjoyed these last videos too, the subtle change towards finishing something really helps. I’d always be keen for more Middle Earth. Looking forward to seeing more of the Grey Havens

[@Zorpazorp]

Thanks bro me too, it's just sitting on the shelf calling to me every day hahaha

[@ahoyturtle]

Man, this work is insane. It's a pleasure to see the board unfold. As an aside, I always imagined the Imperial Palace as having much more gold in the color scheme. I wonder if it would be possible to paint the towers above the ramparts in gold, to symbolize that they're part of the palace itself?

[@kitbashbox]

Amazing work mate! Looking forward to whatever you do next these are brilliant!

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you Davey!!!! You of all people should be dragging my kicking and screaming back to Middle Earth haha, seeing as this sneaky Imperial Palace is holding up our plans!!!

[@kitbashbox]

@@Zorpazorp Haha - yes but they are doing really well and you got a really nice article on warhammer community too! But yes, head back to Middle Earth soon!

[@Peppa.pig12335]

Yeeees new video (Zorpazorp I love your video I was really sad when you did the goodbye video I love you never quit🥰)

[@mjr543]

Do whatever your creativity calls for. Personally I'd rather see this finished first, but I'm not gonna tell an artist to make something their heart might not be in, and I'll watch and enjoy whatever you create. Hope this year is better than the last brotha.

[@pierre-yvesrinaudo1649]

Man you have so much energy and so much drive, I admire you

[@XilejaffacakE]

Hooray, another one! Keep going!

[@Zorpazorp]

I'm smashing them out Jaffa!!! Thank you mate :)

[@sahidko1377]

Another great video! :) regarding your question, I think it depends. If it means next 6 months just Imperial Palace I believe some variety would be better. Doesn't need to be similar sized Middle Earth build though. :D Anyway I am here to support you.

[@Zorpazorp]

I think I could knock out the rest of this block of Palace in about a month, so definitely not 6 months before Middle Earth haha, thank you for the ongoing support mate it means the world

[@mariobenitopeinado6840]

I think that fully completing an specific block of a megaboard within a 3/4-video series is definitely the most enjoyable formula for viewers to follow such a great masterpiece. This one is great cause it combines some foam crafting, painting and also integrates plastic GW kits. You should definitely move on some MT new section or any other middle earth board for a few videos and then come back here to show a new completed section. Anyway that's a huge job you are involved in, we can only enjoy and be thankful to you

[@guleri]

I saw the pictures on Warhammer Community, great article. I think you should build what ever makes you happy, I love seeing both your massive Imperial palace and the Middle Earth stuff, so to me the most important thing is that you don'tget burned out. Looking forward to the next video no matter what you are building in it.

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you so much Guleri!!!!

[@borna1231]

I think it is perfectly fine to switch between projects! Taking a break in a massive project like this or Minas TIrith is not the same as not finishing the project at all. So I would say that as long as you come back to a series in a reasonable amount of time, you won´t hear people complaining. And I think you´re doing great! I really appreciate how transparent you are about the near future plans.

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you so much Borna, really helpful feedback mate thank you!!!

[@borna1231]

@@Zorpazorp Hehey, thanks for the answer! Really appreciate it!

[@maciejbarwicki]

Switching between big projects is exactly what the community pointed out as what they dislike and what is lowering their involvement in the channel.

[@borna1231]

@@maciejbarwicki Was it though? If I remember correctly, it was moving on from an unfinished project only to return to it months later with a smallsih update, then moving on again etc. I didn´t get the feeling that the gist of that critcism was "we want only one project from start to finish, no breaks". But I might be remembering that wrong. But my first point still stands: I don´t think having two massive parallel builds is a problem if they both get videos consistently so as to not feel irrelevant. Keep in mind, these are huge projects that take a toll on a person. Burnout is a real possibility for Zorp if he´s not careful. I´d much rather have 2-3 videos of one project, then 2-3 videos of something one, then back to the first one etc, if that means Lachie gets a well deserved mental break from the grind.

[@mattiasgamin3891]

A bit alarming maybe that of all comments the one that suggest swishing back and forth between projects is the one that gets an immediate reply by Mr Zorpazorp. 🙂 But I get it, it’s tiring to continue on a project, but then again so is the case in most professions. At the end of the day each person have to do what is good for them, not for others. Would love to see Zorpazorb continue! 🤗

[@lordofgraphite]

Finish palace please! 😊 x

[@davidsonfamily2930]

Really looking fantastic. Early on, I'd thought the ruined city was going to be too flat ... but the way you built it up. Just really lovely.

[@matthewanderson3235]

Just wanted to say awesome work! You've inspired me to start my own project on Axeholm from Icewind Dale (d&d module). The sheer scale of these projects you take on is incredible! I'll eagerly watch whatever you decide to work on next (though i am a sucker for 40k)

[@mitchbrown2424]

Absolutely loving the palace build and would love to see 3 or more additional installments. Hope you're able to stick with these projects long past this year!

[@LeeRuss]

This is incredible! I'd love to see it fully finished, then se Minas Tirith wrapped up after that!

[@drchristophermaguire]

I'm loving this project, mate! Very keen to see more of it. Must be so satisfying to see it come together. Would love to see it become a display feature in your workshop one day!

[@Zorpazorp]

Ah it feels so good Chrissy it's such a nice feeling to finally get to the stage where Ican begin to explore the modular layouts which is the part of the board design that first excited me back in November when I started planning it. A few more videos and we'll be able to do some crazy stuff with it! Thank you as always brother

[@ieuanreynoldsrocks]

An idea for the second trench/modular idea. You could make a huge fortified freestanding tower. In a lot of the artworks for Terra and other accuminopolises there are truly sky tearingly tall structures. A free standing tower in the middle of a trench could have mini bridges attaching it on various levels to the tiles either side allowing for units to pop in and out of it at various locations!

[@Hobbyrepubliken]

This is such an amazing build. Your best yet. Im hyped for more vids on it

[@xanderrichards1166]

keep going with the imperial palace! its great to see you get closer and closer to the finished thing!

[@davidholt9557]

Keep at it brother! We'd love to see the project taken to completion and this new format of completing smaller sections is really working.

[@discopete117]

I would love to see more work on the imperial palace so long as your motivation for it keeps up. This is such an incredible piece and your passion for it is infectious and downright inspiring. I can’t wait to see how much further you take it.

[@TakiwaraTaki]

More Imperial Palace !!! How about painting a mini Imperator to put on that awesome board ???

[@Zorpazorp]

I have a feeling you are going to like the next video ;)

[@amoswhistle1]

What a super video, please keep the Heresy videos flowing. I’ve been addicted and find myself regularly refreshing my KZbin to see if you’ve posted

[@Zorpazorp]

Ah that's awesome Amos thank you mate :)

[@doodlebob2000]

Love to see these videos, they give so many great tips and ideas! Can't wait to see more zorp!

[@graefx]

This is incredible looking. Congrats on pushing to get it photo ready. Im glad the more frequent upload style is also paying off. Heres to growth and sustainability

[@rebellars60]

I love this project! Seeing the Imperial palace be build so quickly is impressive, can't wait to see it finished.

[@FigurativelyArtistic]

Awesome build! I look forward to seeing more in the future!

[@Jason-man-in-black]

Amazing video, and I don’t mind what you do next mate I just love watching you work on these massive boards, keep up the good work and I’m glad things are looking up a little for you, long may it continue.

[@davehassall5402]

Really enjoying seeing the project come together. Please keep going!!

[@kylejones769]

Love your work Zorp, been watching for a while now and each video just gets better and better, really hope you can keep things going in the foreseeable future and can’t wait to see what craziness comes next ❤

[@Arch-Estromancer]

Loving this project, can't wait to see more of it! I'm feeling inspired to get into Legions Imperialis from this!

[@AvalonSteelsheen]

I love how immersive this board feels, like you’re in the midst of the action while playing. Would definitely love to see some more progress on Minas Tirith, but I can’t wait to see how much bigger this one gets!

[@brendanflynn2965]

That board looks amazing. I love it. Keep going on the Imperial Palace, so keen to see it completed. Even keener to see a game played out on it.

[@Zorpazorp]

You and me both!

[@KnudAutlermann]

This is just convincing me to get an airbrush even more. Amazing to see you making progress Zorp!! We're all behind you and all your hard work.

[@WhatswithWatt]

I think a few people mentioned it before when you were at the point of talking about the struggles. Keep with a build and complete it before moving on. Seeing something to completion works really well as continuously building up that interest in what's that final product going to look like. It also helps to pave that understanding that your next projects will be seen through to their conclusion as well without years between video progress.

[@SamiMarsch]

Magnificent work like always. I think the table sideboards really elevate this build to next level. Had to order pack of those markers too. Great share for the community. I want more Imperial palace at least!

[@Zorpazorp]

It's mental how simple it is and HOW MUCH IT ADDS haha, will be even better when we have proper custom built ones!

[@angelbaez1158]

Loving the imperial palace videos, please take your time with them!!

[@beepboopnotabot568]

Always a pleasure watching you build massive boards! I would love to see more of the Grey Havens, and if time and ressources permit, why not some rivendell!

[@InTheRedShirt]

Love seeing things getting done. If too much time passes on a project I've forgotten it existed, then I need to go back and make sure I didn't miss anything

[@marcorei]

FWIW I enjoy watching your videos again since you’re focussing again on showing what you are working on vs the collages of reused footage that made up a large portion of videos previously. It just felt like I was rewatching the same video over and over again. Now I really enjoy watching your crafting again!

[@Frankie-McGough]

Beautiful work done on this project. So many terrain building fundamentals used and explained throughout this process. This is a true gem. Well done mate, I really hope everything works out for you in life and with your channel. I look forward to the horde of mega-sized terrain/board builds this inspires throughout the community. We've all dreamt a huge terrain project but to see one realised is refreshing. You are the man Zorp. ❤

[@BuckoBear]

Love it all! Your excitement is contagious! Whatever you make I will be here!

[@riahmanplayz358]

I really enjoy the new format, I hope this next year continues to go well for you so we can get more of your amazing videos.

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you mate me too :)

[@neiljvoice1603]

Ive been watching you create this awesome city from the start, loving every update. This is going to be a masterpiece and im sure it will great to play on. Keep going Zorp.

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you so much Neil

[@TheJimty]

Epic stuff! Fantastic work. I’m aways interested to see whatever you’re working on, so just do whatever project you feel you need to do to keep things fresh and interesting for you

[@Zorpazorp]

Yeah I think that's a really important factor mate you're bang on!

[@davidoates4990]

Brother you’re doing all the good! I like the break up of the videos, because I like the gradual process!

[@jamesforsyth86]

Really glad things are more positive for you, been a follower of yours for ages and just joined your patreon. As much as I am looking forward to more mesbg I think you need to finish the imperial palace first, just makes it easier for us to follow.

[@Neves1789]

That washing action at 11:03 oh baybeh :o Awesome work Zorpy! Good tip using the metallic pens!

[@Gaming4NoReasons]

I really love how this project is coming ng along, it's really cool

[@monsvillerailways5736]

Great progress. 👍 Might be time to jump onto a different project for a few videos then come back to complete this one. Hope the family are all doing well. Stay safe and happy modelling Mon

[@Uhthis]

Love the projects, the art, the passion! Hope everything goes well for you and the fam!

[@Zorpazorp]

Uh maaaaaaaaaaaaate thank you so much for the generosity mate, really appreciate ya. And thank you for the well wishes too :)

[@yanakaizzz9335]

Love the Isopropyl Alchohol with Scenic Sealant (watered down PVA with matte varnish). The idea of using the alchohol to spread the glue throughout all the rubble pieces by expelling surface tension is brilliant! Go science!

[@aLl-soRTs-vw67]

I just found your channel and this looks really cool! And your dedication to this is really impressive, I’m definitely subscribing!

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you so much!

[@nodin9439]

I love how your version of the imperial palace is looking so far! Also, to answer your question, am not bored, in fact I just subbed because I want to see where it goes next!

[@Jandalf430]

Great video. Really enjoying your series on the imperial palace. You reall need some statues in there! I think its best to do mini series and really get that completionist-dopamine going.

[@littleredsubmarine]

Loving these consecutive work in progress videos. It’s looking fantastic! Do Imperial Palace until it’s finished please!

[@rdrx8621]

Dude just hearing you talk and explain what you are doing is very nice and i love doing it while hobbying, you can slow down and dont need to finish gigantic projects on each video. You can do smaller stuff too in the middle of larger projects, no problem for me.

[@allones3078]

I do the same thing with the ink wash you did also looks cool adding a Brown, green or yellow over to give more grime look

[@JoeHardacre]

"I would see the White Tree in flower again in the courts of the kings, and the Silver Crown return, and Minas Tirith in peace" - lets go middle earth!

[@countgames1737]

Not bored of this board at all! Love this project so much as I"m listening to the siege of terra series for the first time atm. Keep up the great work!

[@lucasmagichands]

You do awesome work mate. I hope things start to look up

[@MrCitizen0]

I appreciate all your hardworking, dedication and so many damn things related to horus heresy

[@chaoshead87]

Really loving this epic build. I say keep going since the videos are doing well, obviously people like these vids.

[@Morgulvale_]

Friday isn't the same without a Zorpazorp mega terrain build video!

[@Madfrog_minis]

More imperial palast pleeeaaase! Its such a great project! Love it! ❤

[@danielhall6354]

seeing more of this would be amazing

[@TheWizardsBrush]

Bro this thing is getting monstrous! Love the modularity. I'm loving this series. I'm also hyped to see more Minas Tirith! 🙌

[@battlebrothers_40k]

Amazing! Definitley continue with this project. I'm super invested in seeing it finished, and excited to see how it plays for 40k!

[@StephMcAlea]

I have developed a nerve disease and can't use brushes due to the tremors but a black or sepia pen at 0.03 for facial features and fine nibbed metallic acrylic markers work wonders.