The Black Irish Spanish Armada Myth

[@brianmccarthy5557]

Being of fairly typical Cork and Kerry Black Irish descent, as my clan name would suggest, I find a lot of these comments understandably ignorant. Though I am red blonde with gray green eyes and two of my siblings are redheads with blue eyes, my brother and my father are swarthy skinned with black, prematurely graying hair, brown eyes and swarthy skin. I've traveled in Spain and most of my relatives could slip unnoticed into variousxparts of Spain, especially Galicia. Most likely the greatest source of this is because a lot of our ancestry is from the indigenous settlers of the country who came as the ice melted. Late Paleolithic Northwestern European populations seem to have been swarthy skinned, brown and black haired folk. We've been in Ireland a very long time. In addition, the sea trade between northwestern Spain and southern Ireland is now known to be thousands of years old. My own clan still has branches in Spain. We long traveled there for education and to serve the Spanish Crown in military and colonial positions. The migration of the Milesians to Munster before the birth of Christ may be the most notable example. They intermarried with the indigenous locals to form the Eoghanacht tribe which the Clan MacCarthy descends from. Trade over centuries usually also means genetic exchange. I'll cite Eamonn de Valera, the illegitimate son of a Spanish sailor and an Irish woman as one recent notable example. The people you quote as being the founders of the Spanish Armada myth all bore Anglo Irish names and were Protestants. Being foreign colonists I doubt they ever knew or understood what is obvious to those of us of the old people. Unfortunately must of the discussion of Irish identity is poisoned by politics. There are substantial groups who still seek to maintain their power by denying and destroying irish identity. The current immigration crisis is but one example of this. The Irish have been the longest victims of calculated physical and cultural genocide in Europe for centuries, in addition to the ecological devastation of the island.

[@bck481]

If you're red headed you came from the vikings. My mam is ah MCLEAN From north Highlands they are blond and red that only came fay the vikings mate nothing tay do with celts

[@tommercury3349]

Brian,Not many people want to hear the truth, what you say can be easily confirmed, we have the oldest written history in the world

[@cing9545]

What? I have been trying to know where to visit in Ireland to know about where Milesians lived, thanks! However, about Eamon de Valera, I believe his father was a sculptor and his mother was an Irish nurse. His father was a Cuban, whose parents had ancestry from Spain. What's interesting is that there were never official papers of his dad's name. And the second interesting thing is that Eamon used his father's name for his eldest son, a super uncommon name: Vivion. I've never heard it and I am a Spaniard.

[@tommercury3349]

@@cing9545 not correct, in Eire tis the mother who named the children, devs parents were from Spain, their papers exist.

[@cing9545]

@@tommercury3349 Devs? She may name them, but Valera is a Spanish surname, his dad's surname, so I really don't know what you mean

[@bernardmolloy4463]

The origin of the Black Irish, much older than the Spanish Armada. There have been waves of peoples coming to Ireland via the Iberian Peninsula for centuries.

[@joprocter4573]

Spanish. N Portuguese pirates and traders.

[@gettinhungrig8806]

Yes I would have thought so. Some Basque admixture in there too I'd bet. I think they were seafarers.

[@crazychicSHENA]

Fact's

[@joprocter4573]

They are today's version of Irish

[@AngJ1234]

The Spanish use of hemp ropes would rather than chains would have been rather foolish if the Spanish had been regular previous visitors. The English were using the expensive chains for the rough British waters.

[@johnbooth1110]

My Spanish ancestor was ship wrecked on the Irish coast , he was captured by Lord Bingham , was ransomed settled in Scotland changed his name to Mitchell , from Angus. from this came textile makers ,Architects opera singers . migration to Australia ,

[@Robert-o5q5b]

I am a bilboe. My irish roots are in county mayo, sligo and galway. Bilboe is an anglised Bilboa. The name Bilboa was given to spanish orphans from Bilbao in spain. I was shocked when I saw spanish fisherman in Bilbao and how much like them I looked. Although I cannot absolutely prove this, it is my belief that my original irish ancestor was from the spanish armada. Irish were catholics and irish priests smuggled people back to spain. Some were sheltered in monasteries and eventually given new identities. About 120 years ago my ancestors came to england with Pat Collins's fair. They were fairground people and eventually settled near ironbridge which was where the fair holed up for the winter. I am an engineer a teacher and musician. I have a great love of traditional scottish and irish gaelic music. My family always had a great love of horses. I would say my family behaved like typical irish people and do not represent the country they have grown up in over the last 120 years.

[@alvarohernaez5689]

Una historia muy interesante 😊.

[@jamesneville2746]

My late grandmother, a Protestant born near Belfast in 1902, was classic "Black Irish": black hair, brown eyes, and somewhat swarthy. After immigrating to Canada in 1929 she was often mistaken for an Indigenous person until people heard her brogue. I always believed the Armada story, and was waiting for a plausible alternative in this video.

[@edward6438]

The term Black Irish in Ireland referred almost exclusively to Irish people who were Protestant as opposed to being Catholic

[@jamesneville2746]

@@edward6438 Interesting, I didn't know that

[@AngJ1234]

@@jamesneville2746 not true. The term refers to some of the Irish Catholic population,

[@shirtpants4203]

No she wasn’t and everything you’re saying is the ramblings of an old person

[@jamesneville2746]

@@shirtpants4203 Um, I heard that story directly from my Mother when she was young.

[@thomascooney6644]

I have Cousins O’ Reilly ( would have been known as the dark O’Reilly’s) descendants of the Ulster Chiefs it’s known that the Ulster chiefs O Donnell rescued many from the wrecks & used the Spanish musketeers in the rear when they destroyed the Earl of Essex army 12, in the bogs of Cavan

[@Antoward]

I love the way you say forgot they were enemies they were Catholic most Irish people were Catholic the Elizabethan plantation was going on at the time Irish and old Irish or the descendants of the Normans were being persecuted for there religion it did not matter if you were once considered English. So helping fellow Catholics and enemies of our enemy makes perfect sense I would not dismiss it so quickly Irish folklore talks a lot about the Spanish who were shipwrecked and washed ashore with there potatoes.potatoes came to Ireland off those ships those potatoes originally came from America

[@bpd1111]

It's absolute balls this video. Nothing but unsubstantiated conjecture. What you would expect from someone who dosent understand ireland

[@henrypierce8900]

Have u read the stolen village? A very interesting book or bob quinns atlantis, which claims north africans came to ireland and traces ancient sailing routes of mediteranean and atlantic.

[@Antoward]

No I have not thank you I’ll have a look at the book

[@luciavalente1002]

You are correct. For the native Irish people, the Spanish would not be enemies. The enemy were the English. Irish people would have sheltered Spanish sailors. Also, the video does not explain why so many people in the West of Ireland are so dark. Several of my Irish friends from the West of Ireland could be and often, are mistaken for Spanish women - not for Italian women - only Spanish.

[@prophetsnake]

No, it's bullshit.

[@cak8132]

I’ve always heard that the “Black Irish” had dark hair, light skin, and blue eyes. Pierce Brosnan would be a good example of that look (and a stunningly handsome example, too).

[@celtspeaksgoth7251]

James Nesbitt possibly. Also (assuming they are of the same shared tribe along southern Irish and lowland Scots) would be Welsh actors such as John Rhys Davies who played Indiana Jones's Egyptian buddy, 007 Timothy Dalton and Richard Burton. Plus Catherine Zeta Jones. She'd blend in with The Corrs very well indeed.

[@Warner-uf3mf]

Colin Farrell is said to be Black Irish, I don't know if he is or isn't.

[@jackieblue1267]

@@Warner-uf3mf He's had his dna done. Nearly 100% British and Irish on 23&Me.

[@dunkelsteinen1747]

Interesting video. I had learned from a teacher in high school that since the Spaniards and Irish were both Catholic, that was why they were given refuge. However what you bring to light does make more sense, though I'm surprised that the locals would set upon people who just survived a wreck. I am from the modern age though, so I think my sensibilities get in the way a bit there. I'll make sure to read De Cuellier's account too, I'm sure it's one of the more interesting accounts from the time.

[@annedonnellan6876]

Queen Eliizabeth ordered their execution

[@celtspeaksgoth7251]

My home village of Pembrey had a history of enticing sailors to their doom with false beacons. I was brought up in a farmhouse whose ceiling beams were taken from a ship, so the story goes. Some of those who perished are laid to rest in the parish graveyard, including a niece of Napoleon's consort Josephine, on a ship returning from the West Indies.

[@AngJ1234]

What your Teacher said was correct. De Cuellar tells us in his 1588 account that a Blacksmith took him on as a fed worker, after her survived the his Armada ship wreck at Sligo. He was only released from that servitude when a priest (in civilian dress) that met him earlier told the Blacksmith off.

[@dunkelsteinen1747]

@@AngJ1234 That's fairly interesting, thanks for sharing. I was taught more so that some surviving Spaniards stayed in Ireland, hence the black Irish. It's still cool to see while that explanation as a whole might be a bit of a myth, kernels of it being true are still found. Maybe that's part of where the myth even started, someone or people heard what happened to De Cuellar, and could have extrapolated it for anyone seeming to be of 'black Irish' stock. Anyways, thanks again, and take care.

[@joprocter4573]

Irish give no room in their hearts to any nation not Catholic or basgue terrorist type and questionable behaviour as Palestinians..

[@celtspeaksgoth7251]

In the 1970s my local rugby team here in Llanelli, west Wales had an air of mystery about it. English clubs liked to visit to chance their arm against the locals. Some of our players spoke a different tongue and were small dark and crafty. I notice some of the current all-conquering Irish rugby side have some particularly dark - yet indigenous - players in their side. As others have posted, our shared origins lie in Iberia. Also a Lebanese element as the ancient Phoenicians travelled around the British Isles in search of tin - and found it, establishing settlements here and there.

[@joprocter4573]

My mother In law was Australian of Welsh slavery ancestery

[@Doo_Doo_Patrol]

my great great grandpa was friends with sir Walter Raliegh and was hired to look after his forests in Ireland. he chopped down trees and sold axe handles to the Spanish for the Armada ships. Also, sailors from North Africa had landed in Ireland long before this.

[@MoltoViva]

You do really never expect the Spanish Armada - always surprising true life history is -

[@cak8132]

Or the Spanish Inquisition… 😉

[@colemanstarr5404]

It's weapon was surprise, surprise and fear. ...

[@cak8132]

@@colemanstarr5404 🤣🤣🤣

[@Kevin-mx1vi]

Interesting. My family are originally from the West Highlands and islands of Scotland, and there exists an ancient and huge family bible, hundreds of years old. I have only seen it once, when I was young, and I don't know who in my large extended family possesses it now, but in it are recorded names, weddings, births, etc. Among the names is someone referred to as "Black Kinsella". Could "Kinsella" be a misspelling of Consuella - a Spanish name, spelt as it was heard ? What was this woman doing in the west of Scotland so long ago and how did she get there ?

[@AngJ1234]

Is she the daughter of an Armada survivor perhaps?

[@TheGoddessRises]

my sons dads side is “ Black Irish”and extremely proud to be , so i’m not sure why the creator of this video is saying Black irish is a myth, my sons dads side will literally fight anyone who says they don’t exist.

[@uptown_rider8078]

The Celts of Iberia migrated to Ireland when Rome invaded the peninsula, long before the armada

[@davidpryle3935]

They done well to cross such a vast stretch of treacherous sea in such numbers, without a compass, and reach Ireland 🤔

[@uptown_rider8078]

@@davidpryle3935 They didn’t need a compass, they could easily reach Ireland by seeing the land and sailing in its direction

[@davidpryle3935]

@@uptown_rider8078 I think you need to check a map of Europe and see the distance from Spain to Ireland. The whole idea that people in Spain thousands of years ago would have the capability of transporting large numbers of people across the seas to Ireland is frankly ludicrous.

[@davidpryle3935]

@@uptown_rider8078 By the way I’m not arguing in favour of the Armada theory either, which is equally ludicrous.

[@uptown_rider8078]

@@davidpryle3935 Just look up the Hercules tower in Spain, they could see Ireland from it. How do you explain that Irish people are genetically closest to the Galicians?

[@fmartin09]

There are plenty of Spanish and Irish mix throughout the centuries but they were due to trading. I was born in Madrid and thought I was 100% Spaniard. I took a DNA test and turns out I have a good amount of Irish in me. Spain was originally colonized by the Celts who came from the North East of the Iberian peninsula. Furthermore, I just watch a youtube vid where 5 Irish people took a DNA test and 3 of them had between 10 to 20% Iberian ancestry. One of them was super pale with red hair and had almost 30% Iberian. She could not believe it but was thrilled to be "exotic", lol

[@Ariapeithes_]

Please take a look at my video on the North Atlantid race.

[@mercy1459]

Como que exótica ? Los Irlandeses piensan como los Ingleses que todo los europeos del sur son exóticos porque tienen piel morena o los ojos marrones claros ,azules ,verdes o son pelirojos ,rubios y no pelo marrón . Los del Sur vemos más pelo marrón en Inglaterra que otra cosa

[@jackieblue1267]

Most probably tested with MyHeritage which looks like it used Basque and populations close to Basque as the Iberian reference. It doesn't mean genuine Irish ancestry. If you have no papertrail then it's not accurate. Also these tests only go back 6 to 10 generations. They use references of modern day populations but if you don't match the references the algorithm will compensate by giving you something northern and also things like Italian and North African if you don't match the reference. Not all Spanish get that as I've seen some Spanish get 100% Iberian but they are close to the Basque reference. I've seen Spanish get high North African and also Scandinavian but this is to compensate for not matching the Iberian reference. Also even on MyHeritage I've never seen Irish get 30% Iberian. You won't get these odd results on tests like 23&Me which have better reference populations.

[@danteleone2787]

@@jackieblue1267here is your head again! You hate the Spanish…

[@jackieblue1267]

@@danteleone2787 On what evidence do you think I hate the Spanish? I definitely don't. Tell me why I am wrong instead of being so melodramatic and attributing things to people which you have no evidence of? What have I said that you feel is incorrect?

[@PatrickConlon]

really good summary of whats what in the black Irish story....thanks for taking the time to put that all together

[@irelandinsideandout]

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@brendancoburn427]

Nothing to do with the Armada, Galway was a major trading post with Spain. That is where the inter action occurred.

[@MiloManning05]

Yes I noticed many basque looking people when I visited there.

[@tonyburke9334]

The Spanish traded there for many years.

[@jackieblue1267]

Then why doesn't Spanish dna show up in Galwegians? They are no different than the rest of Ireland.

[@prophetsnake]

@@jackieblue1267 It does.

[@jackieblue1267]

@@prophetsnake It doesn't unless you have a dna study you can point me to and I've read them all. Population geneticist, Dan Bradley of Trinity College Dublin carried out two genetic studies, to debunk the myth of the black Irish, and he found little to no trace of Spanish in Irish DNA. If you know anything about Irish genetics they all cluster together and the populations they cluster with are the Scots, Welsh, English, Dutch, Norwegians. There has been quite a few dna studies that have come out about the British and also the Irish in the last 8 years. One you might like to have a look at is Insular Celtic Population Structure and the Genomic Footprints of Migration it is available online.

[@trevormillar1576]

There are Armada survivors-descendants on the Orkneys and Shetlands. There are families called Perez and McLopez up there.

[@AngJ1234]

True and other survivors moved on to Central Scotland.

[@colemanstarr5404]

One of them became a detective inspector i understand

[@AngJ1234]

@@colemanstarr5404 Very funny!!! The use of the Perez name in the TV Series "Shetland" was apparently used because it gives authenticity as Perez is a Fair Isle name. You probably know that 1% of Scots have North African DNA. I have come to the conclusion that this upsets some.

[@mercy1459]

​@@AngJ1234 Pérez es un apellido Español . No tiene nada que ver con Norte de África

[@jackieblue1267]

Orcadians and Shetlanders don't show any Spanish in dna studies though. What they do have is Scandinavian dna. The highest in Britain and Ireland.

[@sksman71]

My grandfather on my mom's side of the family was black Irish because his hair was black and my grandmother s hair was red.

[@bryanodriscoll2123]

One of the reasons that the local Irish didn't help the survivors of the shipwrecks was that the country, especially in the south, had just experienced a reign of terror after the failed Desmond rebellion in the 1580s. Where these 'black' Irish came from is a mystery, although many of these people have black hair but light skin and blue or green eyes. These types are even more common in Wales, where the original Roman Britons had been pushed to by the Angles and Saxon invaders after the Romans left. Perhaps the Romans had something to do with it.

[@finolaomurchu8217]

Yes it's black hair; pale skin and blue/green/grey eyes

[@bazduggan4042]

There was also rewards given for the capture of the Spanish sailors.

[@AngJ1234]

I have no Welsh ancestry, but do have Irish ancestry with a tiny percentage of North African DNA.

[@MiloManning05]

Loads of basque looking people in the west of Ireland

[@ConordoDoyle]

A fair few Spanish were given shelter by O'Neil ,wouldn't be surprised if they courted a few irish women during there stay. There is an account of a Spaniard that was shelterd by O'Neil and mannaged to get back to Spain. He was scared shitless described us all as savages.first experience with celtic culture maybe.

[@jamesmusgrave3019]

Here is some more ingredients to throw into the pot: 1) While historians have taught that the Irish are descended from the Celts and the English are descended from the Anglo-Saxons, University of Oxford medical geneticist Stephen Oppenheimer says it is likely that Britain and Ireland are inhabited by a single people, The New York Times reported. Oppenheimer, in his book "The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective Story," said DNA testing suggests the ancestors, who arrived about 16,000 years ago, were mostly from Spain. He said they spoke a language related to Basque. 2) Ancient Europeans escaped the ice age by moving to Spain. Ref: March 2023 Nature DOI:10.1038/d41586-023-00631-y As the ice receded the peoples moved north from Spain.

[@kaamkmca]

De Cuellier wrote at length about the involvement of the Mac Clancy Clan from Rosclogher with the Spanish Armada . Surprising this is not referenced to in this vlog.

[@irelandinsideandout]

De Cuellar's account of his shipwreck is available online babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433075880959&view=2up&seq=10&skin=mobile His account is also mentioned in our earlier video about the three ships that wrecked at Streedagh Beach kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqSZhmZrfdtgZtU A video just about de Cuella experience might make a good video in the future. While it would be nice to go on at length about his account, unfortunately you can only get so much into a 4 minute video and a description limited to 5k characters.

[@AngJ1234]

Very surprising. The evidence in that booklet, from a primary source reference, indicates how the Armada survivors assimilated into the local population. They woud be very cheap fit young farm labour who would not run as they would be immediately executed by the English troops when found.

[@Gillemear]

So, I understand that in the literary evidence there is little proof of Spanish survivors of the Armada in Ireland yet this presentation is rather limited in scope. Archaeological evidence, such as recent digs at Spanish Point in Co Clare as of 2015, reveal a picture of several Spanish bodies found in a mass grave who survived the sinking of the San Marcos had injuries, such as fractured bones, which show healing when they were executed. We know that the High Sheriff of Clare was responsible for their deaths but it appears they lived in the area for some time before he arrested and executed them. Finally, the sources themselves are suspect as they were written by the local Irish Lords as reports to the British authorities and given that the Elizabethean Plantation and the Desmond Rebellion had taken place only a few years before, the Lords would have been eager to show their "loyalty" to the crown or face the same fate as the Fitzgerald clan of Desmond that revolted and subsequently was dispossessed. We see an increase in instances in the archaeological record of Spanish trade wares appearing along the West Coast of Ireland, particularly in Galway, so it could be inferred that at least some Irish Lords and leaders of the region used the Spanish survivors as contacts with Spain to increase their wealth. A notable example of this would be Grace O Malley, the famous Pirate Queen of Galway Bay, who had turned to trade at this time rather than plunder and whoes main trading partners were in Spain. So, I agree, in the literary record there is little indication of survivors being looked after by the Irish. However, other evidence suggests a more complex picture.

[@AngJ1234]

Yep. Who would be daft enough to admit they were sheltering Armada survivors and get hung? Who would be daft enough to say they had an Armada father or husband?

[@AngJ1234]

Yes it is a more complex picture as no-one mentions the large number of North African Muslim galley slaves and there is no mention of any West Coast shackle finds. These fit young men were good swimmers and used to earning nothing other than meagre food. They were useful on farmers or for fishing.

[@KeithSutherland-n9q]

The idea that shipwrecked survivors of the Armada would be considered enemies by the catholic inhabitants of western Ireland is ignorant to say the least! They knew EXACTLY who their enemies were! There was little reporting of there existence to local officials for exactly the same reason! They were the 16th century equivalent of British airmen to the French resistance!

[@leestephenfitzpatrick6373]

Wasn't the connemara pony supposedly a mix between the Spanish white stallions & the Celtic pony, from the said same ship wrecks.

[@AngJ1234]

Back in 1588 if you were intending to invade England you would need a guaranteed mode of transport once you arrived there. Transporting horses of some sort makes perfect sense. I wonder if any horse keeping equipment has been found in the Irish Armada wreck artifacts? No-one is going to slaughter a perfectly good horse.

[@annedonnellan6876]

The Spanish Arch Galway is said to predate the Armada by 4 years Columbus visitedGalway en route to the New World so there was a long stAnding tradition of trade betweenSpain and Ireland and perhaps some marriages

[@AngJ1234]

I now don't think it is the case of either or. Any existing population of Spanish/Portuguese/North African would be prepared to hide useful fit young men. If you read De Cuellar's account Irish people did help him and others. The one thing is for sure there is no way you would talk about helping any Armada survivors and risk being hung by the English troops.

[@tommercury3349]

He visited Meath, before he planned the trip, it's recorded.

[@AngJ1234]

@@tommercury3349 any information on the galley slaves? I am aware that slaves were traditionally of a different race and religion. That seems to make it easier for the enslavers throughout the world.

[@kevinkelly1586]

Someone who believed the myth of the Spainish/Black Irish cited the name "Costello" as originally Spanish, which appears not to be accurate. I responded that the name "Dillon" was originally Spanish (I thought it might be a derivative of "de Leon," but this turned out to be inaccurate as well. A distant cousin named Pomeroy told me that the Pomeroys were "Black Irish," but the name Pomeroy is of ultimate Norman origin. However, my brother took a DNA test several years ago. Its adjusted totals indicated a DNA that was 31% Celtic and 30% Anglo-Saxon and 1% Spanish or Portuguese.

[@seandigan1676]

Irish in Spanish word related long before the Armada going back to to over 1000 BC. Irish Celtic are Phoenician And there is a Phoenician Celtic colony the very Northern tip of Spain or Iberia as it is truly called As Irishmen are too high. Before we are ever Catholic both Spain Portugal and Ireland druid Why else would the British try to genocide us for the thousand years from the Norman invasion all the way to the troubles in the 1960s and present

[@jackieblue1267]

Both Costello and Dillon originated from the Normans not the Spanish.

[@seanfaherty]

It said I’m 4% African, I’m sure I am but you sure as hell can’t tell

[@edward6438]

The Dillons, and Costello's came to Ireland during the period of the Anglo-Norman Invasion

[@AngJ1234]

@@seanfaherty Your DNA test will have been correct as mine was. Your ancestor came from North Africa via the Spanish Armada leaving port at Lisbon Portugal to invade England. Lisbon is a hop and a skip away from North Africa. He will have been young and very fit. He will have survived in Ireland as very cheap farm labour, the deal being you get fed for your labour.

[@thomascooney6644]

It was a large Elizabethan army 12, 000 many deserted & joined the ranks of the rebels

[@NedNew]

The problem with this version of events is that it could be just folklore also. Whichever side of it you believe, is up to to you, the reader but I don't see anything in this video that proves or disproves the story of descendants of the Spanish Armada in Ireland.

[@Taketimeout3]

No one expects the Spanish Armada. Especially the Irish! But I hope the Irish treated them well and I have always found it hard to believe the Catholic Irish would have killed fellow Catholics. Anyone else?

[@AngJ1234]

The North African Muslim galley slaves would have found it difficult not to have exacted punishment on their Christian Spanish Slave Masters.

[@henrypierce8900]

Im not an expert on the subject, The famorian people were great sailors from north west africa, they came to ireland approx 4000yrs ago. Ballor of the evil eye was their leader and lived on tory island off north donegal coast. Also a man called bob quinn ( i think ive got the name right) researched a book called atlantis, or was it, people of atlantis. He says people were travelling much further via the atlantic and Mediterranean than historians acknowledge. There have been barbery apes skulls found in ireland that pre date armada by a long time. Perhaps for reasons of religion or racism, there was a cultural historical denial of connections between north africa and ireland! I dont see the iberian connection in ancient irish history, tho maybe because of the moors connection with iberia. But the moors domination of iberia was much later, 1100 ad.

[@AngJ1234]

Some seem desperate to deny North African heritage even though it shows up in tiny percentages it seems difficult for them to accept. I feel that the Armada survivors were sheltered by an already existing community of North African heritage, though anyone of any heritage (except for the 200 slaves who were rowers) will have been happy to get on those Armada ships with the lure of big money.

[@davidpryle3935]

They done very well to cross such a vast treacherous ocean without a compass, and reach Ireland 4000 years ago 🤔

[@sheikhboyardee556]

Not sure it's a myth. My father always referred to us as "the Black Irish." I took a trip to Ireland in about 2006 & traveling around the Island I found a cemetery in the South Western part of Ireland near the ocean that had names such as Garcia in it. My family has mostly black hair & brown eyes and common sense tells me that even though hunted they're not going to find all the shipwrecked people. I did my DNA & I'm about 8% Iberian Peninsula. Than means Spanish even though my family is from Ireland.

[@RichardLawrence-wh3np]

I asked two women from Ireland about where did this Black Irish term come from.On two separate occasions.They both told me of shipped wreck Spanish men who at the time were at war with England washing up on the shore of Ireland.They eventually took Irish wives and fathered children who then were called the Black Irish.Remember centuries earlier The Moors of Africa had subdued Spain and resided there for generations fathering children with the native women.Thus some of their blood line went from them to the Spanish.The Spanish passed that bloodline to the Irish and those offspring became known as the Black Irish.So was told to me on different occasions by two women from Ireland.These women were elderly and appeared very wise with one being a retired teacher the other a retired nurse.

[@SeanLKearns]

Yet another example of irish people being the most culturally diverse people in western europe.

[@luciavalente1002]

If I recall correctly from my Ancient Celtic studies, the people of the Iberian peninsula are Indo-European from Celtic tribes who migrated along the major rivers of Europe - mainly the Danube and its branches. When I completed my studies about 30 years ago, the general consensus at the time was the the Celtic tribes originated in the Southern Steppes of Russia. Some of the tribes went to the west and others to the east to integrate with the existing peoples in those regions. The Celts migrated to what is now the British Isles and Ireland. Generally they are fair skinned people. The dark colour of the Spanish people in Southern Spain derives from the Moors who ruled a large region of Spain for several centuries before being expelled (along with Jewish people) by Ferdinand and Isabella. We are far more intermixed than most people want to believe.

[@AngJ1234]

I have North African DNA and my people where so poor that there is no illustrious grand Spanish connections. My North African DNA comes from the Moor galley slaves. Fit young men who could swim, unlike many of the Spanish. De Cuellar himself could not swim and if you read his 1588 account he was very lucky to make it to the shore. No galley slave would ever get on a Spainish slave warship after escaping.

[@choccows]

So where did these darker skinned inhabitants come from?

[@andym9571]

From Britain...and before that mainland Europe

[@gallowglass2630]

Choccows This is going to sound contradictory from the same place,just not as a result of that event as a result of connections going back millenia.

[@johnduff2100]

"Black" Irish might refer to early indigenous inhabitants of Ireland, who supposedly had jet black hair, blue eyes and very white skin?

[@joprocter4573]

That will be the British then

[@crazychicSHENA]

No dark skin and still white like mary lou Donalds of Sinn finn party in Ireland💯🇮🇪

[@Lala-kc2fw]

No might. It is

[@ghawe844]

My family always identify as black irish. Frequently on holiday abroad, with a suntan, we are spoken to in Spanish because of our dark skin and hair colouring. Sometimes facts are just not enough, the are always limited.

[@jackieblue1267]

Have you looked into it? Have you done a dna test for example? It's like how a lot of Americans think they have a Native American ancestry because some relative has high cheekbones and are shocked and in disbelief because they have none. There are Irish that can tan. Not all Irish are redheads for example.

[@crazychicSHENA]

Tux❤😊thx for this Documentary am from ennis Irish and this was wonderful history to know . 😊

[@AngJ1234]

Unfortunately it is not correct. Read the primary source, De Cuellar, a survivor's own words.

[@RyanG0899]

@AngJ1234 Of course it isn't correct

[@rup54]

Black Irish are Celts. Very white skin and dark brown hair.

[@Warner-uf3mf]

Forgot to mention, a lot of things went on throughout history that was kept hushed up for one reason or another.

[@Otaaaz]

I’d like to add that we think of older peoples as very isolate but that couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m sure even in Ireland there was people coming and going thousands of years before that

[@davidpryle3935]

It’s amazing how these myths get started. There’s another one about the Ottoman sultan sending shiploads of food to Ireland during the famine. There’s loads of videos on KZbin about it, some quite detailed. This despite the fact that the port of Drogheda, where the ships are supposed to have docked, having no records whatsoever of these ships unloading in Drogheda. Former president Mary McAleese even referred to this story on a state visit to Turkey, only to embarrassingly having to retract the whole thing when the local historians of Drogheda pointed out to her that it was nothing more than a myth, and had never happened.

[@Mark16D]

What makes you think it's a myth? There is more evidence to say it it did happen! First off, the port wouldn't have a record of it, because it was covertly done so as not to alert brits. 2nd, there is a plaque on the bridge in Drogheda to commemorate this. 3rd, the town itself and the football team have incorporated the Turkish symbols onto the crest. so why do all this if it didn't happen?

[@davidpryle3935]

@@Mark16D The star and crescent in the Drogheda town crest predates the famine by 700 years. Drogheda received it’s town charter from king John of England, whose brother king Richard (the lionhearted) had adopted the symbol from his time on the crusades. Drogheda incorporated the symbol in his honour. Portsmouth in England has the exact same town crest, as they received their town charter from the same king. As for the plaque on the bridge, Frank Godfrey was never a politician to miss a trick. Don’t take my word for it, look up what the local Drogheda historians had to say about this story, particularly after president Mary McAleese regurgitated this myth on a state visit to Turkey.

[@davidpryle3935]

@@Mark16D Sorry, I meant Predates the famine by 600 years. Also, there was no way several ottoman ships would unload cargo in the then major port of Drogheda, without the authorities of the time knowing about it.

[@AngJ1234]

Read De Cuellar's own words. The myth isn't a myth.

[@davidpryle3935]

@@AngJ1234 It’s certainly a nice story. It’s just a pity its completely made up.

[@francesdalton4345]

I would think that our DNA would show us if we had Spanish blood.

[@redelfshotthefood8213]

Basque. It’s the Basque Region. Which held itself apart from Spain. Even after being conquered.

[@mickpowell8503]

My wife is a typical looking Black Irish and the myth was handed down about the Armada. When we did the Ancestry DNA test guess what, nothing, mainly Irish and Scottish.

[@jackieblue1267]

Irish dna shows that there is no contribution from the Spanish. The closest population to the Irish are the Scots.

[@seanfaherty]

I saw a guy who said that DNA says the first Celts to hit Ireland were from Spain . Maybe those stories of the Milesians weren’t so crazy after all. The same guy says the Black Irish have more European hunter gatherer DNA than Celt and Viking.

[@jackieblue1267]

@@seanfaherty Ireland doesn't even have much Continental Celtic dna. The Irish are mostly Bell Beaker with a bit of Norman, Viking and dna from Britain thrown in. Some Celts migrated to Spain but there has been no direct Iberian migration to Ireland. The Irish cluster with British and other Northwestern European populations.

[@jamesdavis6829]

My great grandmother born in St. Mary's, Eastern Shore Maryland was was a tall slender woman with very dark skinned with tight curly black hair. A picture we have of her (between 1910 and 1915) shows a young woman who apperars to have her hair done in corn rows. My mother's family always said she was Irish and Native American. I thought she could be Irish and African American. My mother eventually got her DNA tested and it turned out she had Irish and Spanish DNA, I thought the story of the Black Irish could explain it. Now I will have to look elsware for an explanation.

[@jackieblue1267]

You could have genuine Spanish ancestry. Get your dna done. Irish however don't have any Spanish heritage.

[@danteleone2787]

@@jackieblue1267and here you are again

[@jackieblue1267]

@@danteleone2787 Yes I'm very interested in population genetics. Also being of Irish background I have a knowledge of all the dna studies. I will have plenty of comments on these type of topics.

[@danteleone2787]

@@jackieblue1267 yes, but is it odd for Spanish to be mixed with Irish?

[@jackieblue1267]

@@danteleone2787 Well there has been no long term population of Spanish that have come to Ireland so you don't find any admixture from Spanish in the Irish. The populations that have influenced the Irish are largely Bronze Age Bell Beakers, people from Britain and whatever admixture they carried, Norwegian Vikings and Normans who would have had some dna from places like Brittany as well. Are you Irish or Spanish or from somewhere else? The topic is very interesting and I can let you know some recent dna studies to read if you are interested.

[@Lala-kc2fw]

The disturbing idea that us Irish are not native and saying we are originally from Africa. Is strange. Reminds me of those English authors who thought we were sub human

[@daneenmurf1043]

There are many Irish families with sallow skin and jet black hair. You wouldnt call them black, but ' of Spanish appearance '

[@eddiestaunton514]

The native Irish were Basque

[@janesda]

But there is an earlier myth about Spanish and Irish common swarthy heritage in Julius Caesar's 'On the Gallic Wars'.

[@johnh539]

My understanding is that "Spanish" DNA is one of the 4 main indigenous DNA types; mostly associated with the mid south west. (I don't recall the counties). However knowing the origin of the DNA is a different story, The conventional interpretation is that it comes from Maritime connections with the Mediterranean going back as far as the early neolithic and continuing throughout the centuries. Ps I don't think it is documented but some of them where possibly on the Isle Of Cumbrae . Over a hundred years ago a Spanish sword was found by I believe by an ancestor of mine buried in some Peat.. sadly I don't know what happened with the sword .

[@nickcalnephone]

There only has to be a handful of survivors to make a very good tale for the pub.

[@johnbarry22]

The Irish for a black man is fear gorm . The literal translation is blue man. The blue refers to the tattooed people of North Africa who traded with Ireland’s south and west coasts for a long time before the Armada

[@sandyb1464]

What about Diego up in Derry 😮

[@paulbrewer2513]

what i find unusalis my grandmothers family looked Spanish had a Spanish name but regarded themselves as Irish her brothers and sister where very olive complection and black hair they migrated to Australia after the potato famine hit i have photos of all my great grandfathers brothers and sisters had the same look my grandmother told me they originated from Spain so i have from her as the truth .

[@danteleone2787]

What surname? I have a similar story of my Irish Grandparents. The Slattery family from Tipperary to Australia during the early 1900s.

[@paulbrewer2513]

@@danteleone2787 My Grandparents name is Cruice or Cruce in the Spanish there also from Tipperary .

[@eoghainoneill7195]

The Milesian Princes and their army are the black Irish origins.The other references came from Cromwellian Irish slaves bred to African slaves in Barbados etc.

[@lugo_9969]

Dna evidence has made it clear. The Irish are partly descended from the Milesians....from Spain 20,000 years ago. The "Colin Farrell" look is very irish. Whereas the English are blond-germanic.

[@brianmccarthy5557]

Try 2,000 years ago or so. They most likely left the area of modern Galicia and northern Portugal in the couple of centuries before the Romans completed their conquest of Iberia in 28 BC under Augustus Caesar. They had come there some centuries earlier as mercenary clients of the Milesian Greeks they had first encountered in the area of modern southern Ukraine aka "Scythia". The Ionian Greeks, predominantly from the city state of Milesius, started establishing trading colonies there in the 700's BC. The Celts were attracted by "the magic of the Greeks" and allied themselves to them. According to the annals they were at one point supplied as mercenaries to late New Kingdom Egypt. The Ionian Greek cities established Marseilles aka Massilia and cities in what is now northern Spain as colonies. They were also engaged in fighting Carthage in Sicily. They are known to have employed mercenaries to assist in this. Celtic mercenaries were also in Egypt during this period as graffiti they left on Egyptian sites proves. The ones in northern Spain were gradually shoved into the northeast by the conquests and conflicts of the Greeks, the Carthaginians, the Romans and Roman rebels like Sutonius. Trade between northeast Spain and southern Ireland was already millenniums old. Emigrating again to a land they were probably acquainted with and who shared a mutually intelligible language would make a lot of sense. The ships existed and the transfer of population could probably be done over several years. This would also explain how the Irish, never a part of the Roman Empire, knew how to read, write and speak Greek from the earliest Christian says. Something the Britons and northern Gauls couldn't do. Even the very early Irish heresy of Pelagius is a Greek heresy.

[@henrypierce8900]

Im sure boris johnson and hitler would agree with you, About the blond english.

[@AngJ1234]

I have Irish and North African DNA in a tiny percentage, but no Spanish DNA. Sorry.

[@davidpryle3935]

They were great people altogether, to have the ships capable of transporting large numbers of people across the vast treacherous seas between Spain and Ireland, and all without a compass, thousands of years ago 🤔

[@tonymcdonnell3065]

Im sure century's of trade and religious culture would mix the two poeples....i know lots of people like this in ireland 🇮🇪.....

[@Jack-pu4rf]

I didn't realise that the Spanish armada were black people, over the years Spanish people have evolved and now have lighter coloured skin, except in Ireland

[@samholden4171]

My Irish dad's side are all black Irish with dark hair & eyes pale skin they look Spanish

[@SCjunk]

It is more likely that the so called Black Irish were from normal sea faring backgrounds not Amarda sailors the same can be seen in other areas of the UK Bristol, Liverpool, around the Thams esturary (very common the dark men of Sufolk,) further north similar dark people around Dundee and North East England -where into modern times, still extant are Yemeni community (mostly Muslim with the first Mosques in England) in South Shields -the southern side town of the Tyne -which was from early times a very major trading area.

[@celtspeaksgoth7251]

I also wonder about the Welsh surname Morris, which might derive from Moorish, as with Morris Dancing, which is based on British locals bearing witness to Dance of the Dervishes from Moorish Corsairs who even settled on the island of Lundy in the Bristol Channel. In Swansea one area is called Morriston. Here west of Swansea there were quite a few of us who were quite dark, more visible 50 years back than nowadays due to an influx from across Britain diluting things. Hence Catherine Zeta Jones featuring as an Hispanic type in certain films, e.g. Zorro, along with Anthony Hopkins.

[@dublinsnob3989]

Always interesting to see in a Ancestry DNA origins i got %90 Irish heritage rest was Scotland, Wales, England, 1 percent from Norway. Most Irish came from the The Norman Conquest was the military conquest of England by William, duke of Normandy ultimately resulted in profound political, administrative and social changes in the British Isles

[@jackdaniels4368]

So where do they come from ?

[@zakariakerbouche1689]

they are native people of ireland just like others

[@pagimaidj]

IF YOU HAVE BROWN EYES? ...

[@tilldeathdouspartharmonytr9829]

My family are from co mayo Ireland. They have been there for centuries. I am very dark skinned dark thick curly hair Hazel eyes. Alot of people from mayo are dark haired and eyed. My Dna results showed 99.9 % Irish. Yet my deep dive ancient dna showed iberian, Italian, Spanish, North African and Asian??? 🤔

[@Lala-kc2fw]

Black Irish is referring to Danish vikings, due to their dark hair then Spaniards due to their black hair.

[@chrisbutler6271]

Terrible to let the truth get in the way of a good story .

[@charlesd3a]

They're dark skined Irish long before the Armada sank of the coast of Ireland , Going further back in history you'll find the true story of the black Irish. The African sea rovers had outpost along the western seaboard of Ireland especially the northwest particular Tirconnell now modern Donegal.

[@__WhatIsGoingOn__]

I’m black Irish with 10% Iberian DNA. Where did you get this info from because I don’t think it’s right!

[@AngJ1234]

Read De Cuellar's 1588 account of his Armada shipwreck experience, The descendants of the Armada shipwrecks will have either Iberian DNA from the Spanish or they will have North African DNA from the North African Muslim galley slaves. One percent of Scots have North African DNA. Yes, Armada shipwrecks occurred off the top of Scotland too. A good indicator of ethnicity of colour is the "Mongolian Blue Spot" (called something unpronouncable these days). It is the greyish blue birth mark found usually near the small of the back and is rare in white babies. Not all siblings in a family will have it.

[@Ariapeithes_]

​​@@AngJ1234 The only problem with this is that Irish legend speaks of ancient races like the Corca Oíche, Firbolg, Fomorians, Tuatha De Danann, Milesians, Gaels etc. for the appearance of the modern Irish people to simply have come from a shipwrecked crew of Spaniards. Also the ancestor of the Irish people is said to be Míl Espáine and a Scythian king named Fenius Farsaid. Some of these legends can now be supported by the archaeological record, where we know of groups like the Bell Beakers, Yamnaya, Corded Ware, Hallstatt Celts, etc., all left their mark on Ireland. Please see my video on the North Atlantid phenotype.

[@pdnpatrickmitchell691]

This video doesn't prove anything. DNA might, but the video doesn't cite any DNA evidence,

[@irelandinsideandout]

A video about the DNA of the Irish population is in the works. This video is specifically about survivors of the Spanish Armada intermarrying with the Irish population in sufficient numbers to affect the gene pool -- which is the assertion of the myth. There is no historical evidence of ANY survivors of the Spanish Armada remaining in Ireland. ALL of the instances of this myth were reported in the 20th century, more than 300 years after the Armada ships wrecked. It makes a good story to tell to tourists in the pub, though.

[@kaamkmca]

@@irelandinsideandout De Cuellier 's account is recorded in a library in Madrid. Read it. Most revealing. The Mac Clancy Clan played a significant role in the survival of the Spanish Armada survivors.

[@irelandinsideandout]

@@kaamkmca I did. And a trip to Madrid, which would have been nice, was not necessary. De Cuellar's account of his shipwreck is available online babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433075880959&view=2up&seq=10&skin=mobile

[@towmlvb3423]

@@irelandinsideandout One subject bringing "other" DNA into a population can be revealed after several generations without any sign of the effects of their DNA in the intervening period. The video to which you refer will have to have the input of some serious experts in historic DNA if it is to have any scientific credibility. I shall look out for that video and for its list of experts.

[@AngJ1234]

@@irelandinsideandout Please read De Cuellar's booklet, especially the bit about when he is in servitude to a Blacksmith. Cheap labour is always valued.

[@elainekerslake6865]

Original Celts from western Europe started to come to Ireland 4000 years ago. Darkish skinned. The white gene didn't appear until 30000 years ago in Georgia so the dark skin took many generations to start fading so as to react to lower levels of ultra violet light.

[@AngJ1234]

Er, I was quite brown and the tiny percentage of North African DNA comes from my Irish West Coast Mother's haplog. The melanin pigment fades with age and so I have been descriminated against for being brown and now am descriminated against for being white!!!. I am happy to accept I am a descendant of a plucky North African galley slave who knew without a doubt that getting on an Armada slave warship was not his best option. Well done to him. Please note my DNA does not indicate any other ethnicity of colour.

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

No original Gaelic celts were mostly blonde with brown hair and came from the east they were white we have already tested bones

[@AngJ1234]

@@user-ze8yy8jg1f Sorry I am not interested in the Celts at the moment. My interest is how many of those those originating from the West Coast of Ireland have North African DNA. I would be interested also in the incidence of what used to be called Mongolian Blue Spot, which is an indication of mix race. I will be researching into that.

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

@@AngJ1234 show your proof people from the west coast have African dna I’m from here your full of lies

[@BrianGarrigan]

Irish Lives Matter

[@mollymcnaughton3133]

My grandmother told me that she was Black Irish. Her grandfather was from Cork. She had dark chestnut hair, brown eyes.

[@Nacho2002b]

Eamon De Valera, anybody?

[@davidbroadley126]

What's the irish and scots highlanders killing the Spaniards for there all catholic they shud have helped them there was 500 spanish troops on the Scots side at the battle off sheriff moor in 17 15 they were allies they shudnt have butchered the armada sailors

[@AngJ1234]

Hmm. Just like a lot of people don't see a crime right outside their front door, some of the Irish will have not seen what would have been Armada fugitives. Selective eyesight.

[@davidbroadley126]

@@AngJ1234it was the storms that wrecked most off the spanish armada not drake a year later he tried to invade spain with his own armada got his arse kicked in portugal and the canary a lost loads off ships men killed and disease limped back home with nothing tried again to rob the spanish again 2 years later in Panama got smacked again went back with no booty he was lucky liz 1 never loped off his naper cos he bankrupted the country english never mention this episode in history do they

[@AngJ1234]

@@davidbroadley126 I was brought up in England andit was certainly never taught that Drake was a pirate (he was), but there again I was taught Hitler was a house painter. Years later I discovered Hitler was an artist, but not a very good one unfortunately as otherwise he would not have murdered all those in the concentration camps and elsewhere. Yes history is taught by the victor.

[@rup54]

@@AngJ1234 Look at his paintings. I don't know personally anyone better, at that age TBH

[@MrSmegfish]

In the past colour was binary.

[@josephvsparthicvs4988]

The whole story of the Spanish Armada defeated by the English is all a myth .

[@Warner-uf3mf]

I had a DNA test done, shows I'm Irish and Spanish mix, who knows, some of my relatives look Irish, others have the looks from that of people from Spain, maybe there was some hanky panky going on in the past 😏

[@AngJ1234]

The enduring myth is now recognised as the truth when the North African, Spanish and Portuguse DNA results are coming through. Fit young men from Portugal, Spain and North Africa got on the Armada ships at Lisbon in Portugal where it set off from. Looking at a map you can see Morroco is a hop and a skip to the Spanish Armada ships docked at Portugal. On the Armada ships there are going to be a variety of Spanish, Portuguese and North African sailors all lured by the promise of a high money.**** Please note that Elizabeth the First has between 387 and 750 executions attributed to her, Are you going to tell her that all the Spanish sailors in Ireland have been executed or are you going to risk your head???

[@pedrofr1434]

people really tihink we spaniards are maghrebi

[@susll6188]

I am surprised by the comments, they still believe the English version

[@ArchieFatcackie]

I always thought the true Irish were Ginger.

[@gallowglass2630]

Only 9% are ginger,the vast majority of the west of ireland would have raven hair further east it gets lighter more brown,but the ginger thing is a total myth and many believe its as a result of norse settlement rather than a native thing.

[@paulm5649]

Ignoramus

[@ArchieFatcackie]

@@paulm5649 OK, very sorry auburn.

[@celtspeaksgoth7251]

It's an easy assumption to make as the dark ones aren't as noisy.

[@paulm5649]

@@celtspeaksgoth7251 guess so.... but the way I see it red heads are like 10% of Ireland and Scotland, while dark hair is alot more common, when uk used to mimic irish ppl 100 years ago they used dark haired irish in the cartoons.. now its red heads, just find it a strange assumption to make.

[@PiaraisOFinneadh]

English men and deserters ... not much to go on...

[@brutusbastados4801]

Are you sure that sailors from the Spanish armada intermarrying with the Irish were not ginger? That would explain a lot.

[@ricklevet-torres5418]

There are blonde and ginger people in Spain. The Goths were in Spain and also other Germanic tribes.

[@AngJ1234]

My mother had red hair until at the age of 4 when she had menegitis. It then grew through as black. Yes she was of Armada Irish descent (I think some will find Armada Heritage a more acceptable term to them).

[@rup54]

@@ricklevet-torres5418 Especially in Aragon, back then.

[@shanenicholas4921]

My mom's side of the family are from Kinsale all her aunties etc very sallow brown eyes all her brothers the same and their offspring they are O'Connells and Coughlans from Kinsale if thats from one Spaniard in the 16th century he had some genes 😂

[@sksman71]

My Nanna told me the black Irish were decended from the Danes LOL.

[@alecblunden8615]

The main occupation of Elizabeth's troops in Ireland in 1588 was trying to save Spaniards from being murdered by the Skraelings. I somewhat doubt that intermarriage was an issue. And dark features were common enough among the Britonic residents to obviate the need for Iberian migration.

[@davidpeteriarussi7956]

Speculation, unfounded and presumptive. You are creating your own myth. DNA should settle this arguement, not rubbish couched in quasi authoritative possibiities, probabilities and one's own unfounded prejudgements.

[@verali164]

I'm 98 % irish, dark brown hair, brown eyes and sallow skin, 1% scottish and 1 % Welsh. Im white and alot of my family are the same, but we have blue eyes, green eyes, brown eyes. Pale skin, sallow skin, hair colour is black, dark brown, red , blonde.

[@micheleendsley3886]

Your ignorance is bliss.

[@gorsmy]

I say it came from the Roman's as the Scottish invaded England border villages

[@pagimaidj]

Port-of-the-gauls = Portugal ... Gauls-way .. Galway ...

[@raffles7556]

All this black Irish stuff is utter nonsense. The Irish are no darker than any other Northern Europeans, in fact probably more fair skinned. The island of Ireland and its modern inhabitants would have populated the island via Britain and northwestern Europe.

[@henrypierce8900]

The famorians were from north africa. Settled in ireland 2000bc. They may or may not have been black. The oldest remains found in england approx 7000 yrs old is of a black person. Some brits weren't too happy about it. Some irish appear to have similar problems with their history.

[@raffles7556]

@@henrypierce8900 … that is absolute utter nonsense

[@nojabhere]

​@@henrypierce8900 I hope you are not referring to the Cheddar man 😂

[@davidpryle3935]

@@henrypierce8900 Fairytales.

[@celtspeaksgoth7251]

@@henrypierce8900 That is the British Ch4 documentary on Cheddar Man you may be alluding to. Very well crafted reconstruction, an exhibit bearing an annoyingly knowing grin, with a complexion ideal for Lewisham. How fortuitous to reverse engineer such a specimen in such woke times.

[@mikemcdonagh2049]

Very bad vid. Can't read the writing it changes to fast to the next sentence

[@RyanG0899]

Lies, lies and more lies

[@punkeasy]

Ball0x

[@ciaranwalsh2131]

This is B.S

[@dave-kr6sc]

Theirs no such thing as "black Irish"