The Blue Jays Have A Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Problem...

[@Dulcimerist]

If keeping Vlad is the best thing for the Blue Jays, their best bet is to offer him a contract during the offseason which buys out his final arbitration year and then extends for however many years they want. Load it with performance incentive bonus money to reduce a bit of the guaranteed money. Vlad loves working with Jesse Barfield, and hiring him as the new hitting coach would make it a bit easier to sign/extend Vlad. Barfield would also help to stop the insanity of relying 100% on analytics. He's a fundamentals guy who uses analytics as a tool in his toolbox. The players also respect him and his accomplishments as a player back in the day.

[@luisjimenez6616]

The main issue is with the Blue Jays organization as a whole. Their only interest is to make money and they capitalize on the fact that Canadians support their one and only baseball team even if the team loses. As of this season, the Jays are having a profit of over 100 million dollars while the Jays are in the basement. In 1992 and 1993 when the Jays won the title, they also had the highest payroll in baseball. Ever since, they are not interested in winning any more because their business model is to get players they can build on to then sell them for a profit or as one person commented, demonize them and humiliate them as they did with Jose Bautista who only wanted to retire as a Blue Jays and they dumped him and didn't care about the time when he battered over 50 plus homers. It a shame. 😢😢

[@stevemcentee2880]

The Blue Jays do NOT have a Vlad Jr problem.They have a Mark Shapiro/Ross Atkins. problem. Vladdy should have had a contract back in April.They haven,t yet given him one.He would have been a whole lot cheaper in April than he will be now. These 2 assholes GOT TO GO.

[@2222aaaa3333]

Its mostly Rogers Fault they are mostly cheap when it comes to their expensive players Probably Atkins wants to give Vlad and Bo big contracts but Rogers wont allow them to give the huge $ amount to sign these 2 players If Rogers wanted them they would be signed by now You remember when Rogers wanted to give Shoei Ohtani 10 years 700 Million Rogers has a lot of control for the players they want

[@RedMayan2012]

It sickens me that they are still employed.

[@The_Zilli]

Just give him the blank cheque and let him fill in the numbers at this point.

[@StephenHunts]

SIGN THIS MAN (at any cost). He is the future!! Go Jays Go.

[@kofibabone725]

I remember many many many comments in June, saying to trade him.............

[@keithhosannah3022]

Now we want to trade Bichette, the Vlad of last year...

[@MikeHart72]

If Vladdy wants to stay in Toronto he will. That’s the bottom line, it’s his decision.

[@kidpoker9408]

If the yankees want him hes theirs

[@Flexb123]

He wants to stay but not for a discount which sounds like is the only things Jays will give him. So ya, he prob not staying.

[@MikeHart72]

@@Flexb123 If he wants to stay he will. Toronto will offer a decent contract. The only question is does Vladdy want to be a Blue Jay or will he chase the money

[@Tango21C]

@@MikeHart72well it’s a business and that’s their living .. so why take a team friendly deal and play with some AAA players when you could go sign out west and contend 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MikeHart72]

@@Tango21C If Vladdy accepted a team friendly deal, which also pays him well, they can build around him. Argue all you want but the decision to stay or leave is 100% on him

[@Devesci]

Vladdy is the spirit of the Jays and their best player. Give him a 10 year $300 million contract and build around their leader.

[@worlds-in-conflict]

Still confused about how the front office claims we made a legitimately competitive offer for Ohtani but we can't even get close on an extension for a franchise player...

[@MikeHart72]

The final decision belongs to the player. Front office can only do so much. If Vladdy wants to remain a Blue Jay he will.

[@stevemcentee2880]

@@MikeHart72 They haven,t yet gave him an offer. Atkins keeps saying he WANTS to give him one but so far has not.

[@MikeHart72]

@@stevemcentee2880 Doesn’t change the fact that the final decision belongs to the player. If Vladdy wants to stay with Toronto he will.

[@Tango21C]

They also never made a significant offer to Othani… offering the same as a west coast let alone the Dodgers isn’t significant. It’s more of “hey look fans we tried”

[@marvelas6090]

@@MikeHart72 not if you offer him to pay below the player's value.. no player at 25 with those numbers will settle for anything less.

[@eshep71]

If Vlad makes it to Arb without an extension, those numbers get released. I think the Jays want to avoid being too far away from Vladdy when/if numbers are released..(ie: Vlad asks for 26 and Jays offer 23). ..and if they happen to win that hearing, how does Vladdy not test FA? He'll definitely not want to negotiate long term based on a losing arb hearing.

[@marvelas6090]

Atkins and Shapiro motto is "we did make a competitive offer but could't come to an agreement".. that was the case with Ohtani, Chapman, Soto and Jansen. They're masters at making themselves look Holy and the player(s) the villains. Vlad will not sign for anything else then others team are wanting to pay for him.. but, when he leaves these two will demonize Vlad for leaving. This contract should've been done back in April, period

[@aubreyn688]

he prob refused to talk then bc he had 2 medicore szns and knew he would get alot more after a good season

[@svk_5104]

⁠@@aubreyn688 I doubt that since Vlady has expressed several times he wants to stay in Toronto. Plus, last year was really the only “mediocre season” he still had a pretty solid year in 2022

[@jwest588]

Keep in mind as well if he goes somewhere else I believe the tax rate in the states is less then it is in Canada, I think the Jays need to offer somewhere 10 years at around 30-$35 mill a season

[@LarrySchad-w1z]

Just pay the man. He is arguably one of the top 5 players in baseball, only 25, and most importantly wants to stay in Toronto. Offer him 11 years, $300 mil. Trade Bo and sign Santander who is also a free agent.

[@JaydenWillem]

Keep Bo. Depending on how he does next year, then trade him. No current value. But I agree

[@aubreyn688]

I like the contract but idk if vlad is taking under 30 mil per yr

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

@@aubreyn688I could see him taking like 28 million but he’s worth around 30 million

[@LarrySchad-w1z]

@@sir.muffiniii7011I’m ok with paying him $30 mil per year. We’re paying him $20 mil now so it’s only an uptick of $10 mil. We just need to defer a portion of the money like the dodgers did with Ohtani so we can be competitive year over year and continue to sign other FA’s to improve the team. If we fail to sign him I don’t see anyway we can be a contender for years to come.

[@sheiladavis2304]

This is the front offices stupidity. They weren't going to extend him for peanuts so instead of being smart and locking him up when he wasn't hitting like this. You have a guy that wants to play his career here. If they made a plan involving him and explained to him what it would take to surround him with a great team I'm sure this would be done. When you have a player that's openly said he doesn't want to leave and he wants to win a championship for the team himself and the fans, make him feel like he's part of the process. Their stupid thinking that if he stayed playing as early season Vlad they would get him for a bargain is deeply flawed. All they did was light a fire under his ass. He cut the dreads and got serious wanting to prove he was still one of the games elite players. Which we already knew he was. Damn even when he's slumping he's better than 3/4s of the league. He was still hitting for power and average , he just wasn't lifting the ball. So he was lining out while hitting the ball with an exit velocity of 110mph and higher. He cut his hair and the brought in some kids that made him feel competitive again. For everyone laughing that I keep mentioning his haircut. Remember this is baseball and sometimes all it takes is something as simple as that to create the feeling of a total reset. The front office has really dropped the ball on this one. But it's not to late. Go to him with a 5 to 10 year plan on what we need to do and how we are going to do things to win a championship or two during that time. If he feels like he's in on the decision making etc. He may even sign for less money to surround himself with great players. Kinda like what Philadelphia has done both now and in the past. Think back to the time of the "four aces" one of them signed for 30million less than what he was being offered elsewhere because he believed in the team and loved the city. When it comes down to it Vladdy is canadian and would love to win a series here. We already know he would take less to play here than in New York!!!😅😂

[@robrussell3023]

Rogers should get rid of Shapiro now before he destroys the future of this team as far as Vladdy is concerned. Obviously Shapiro doesn't care because next season is the last year of Shapiro's contract. He doesn't have the best interest of the Jays in mind.

[@jeanpachkowski1833]

22 give the man his money and sign him to a LONG extension or find another job..... we want him a Blue Jay for life!!!!

[@AM34-i1v]

22!!!!!!! LETS GO VLADDY!!!!!!!!

[@Chris-cx5qk]

Blue Jays need to give the Vlad the Scottie Barnes treatment with big pay and build around vladdy.

[@seanbohan9491]

There is only ONE THING Vladdy wants: A World Series win, because his Dad missed out. Vladdy knows he needs to be GREAT on a GREAT TEAM to get this done. He will sign elsewhere for less if the team offering the contract is going places. And if the Blue Jays are not that team by April 2025 (May at the latest), good-bye Vlad Jr.

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

Vlad said he wants to be a jay for life

[@seanbohan9491]

@@sir.muffiniii7011 IDK. That's good news, but we still need a team around him.

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

@@seanbohan9491 yeah lmao

[@adambrooks2383]

22 !!!! Sign this mannn

[@davemartin5735]

It's always amazing but also very boring when a player is doing well everyone is all in and want contracts done and talking the future. But when a player is on a downslide these same ppl want to fill their pockets with rocks and dump them overboard. So...it's like....whatever.

[@ForceofNature99]

Those fans are massive: "What have you done for me lately?" Hypocrites.

[@davemartin5735]

It was only a few weeks ago many wanted to trade Vlad and start over. There isn't any benefit to give daily/weekly up/down value of those playing well/not well. This week value is up prior week down then up again in 2 weeks. This isn't the stock market. It doesn't matter that someone was tearing it up for 2 weeks. It's not going to get them $10 extra million.

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

He’s been amazing since May lmao

[@robertfry8025]

2 WEEKS????? ARE YOU UNDER A ROCK? TWO WEEKS??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Omg seriously? The hitting streak he is on is over 3 THREE weeks on its own. He has been hitting over .350 in every month after May.

[@ianmackie8959]

Man digging deep for those stats..

[@teebee5317]

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[@davidcohen3298]

21, awesome!

[@jackuzzi5251]

Would VG take 35mil a year for 10 years? Probably. Would Jays be willing to pay him 28 mil a year for 10? Probably

[@ForceofNature99]

$275,000,000 / 10 years is likely the Jays target. I don't know if their excuse of "he hits into too many double plays" applies anymore.

[@yakymua]

How we are paying more for Springer than Vladdy the Baddy is beyond me

[@MeSkeefer]

Springer has been around 10 years longer than Vladdy. He won world series.

[@ForceofNature99]

Springer has gone through free agency, Vladdy hasn't gone to free agency yet (yet is still making almost $20 Million post-arbitration which is nuts). Springer is not 25 years old. Vladdy very likely will be making more than $150 million.

[@protocol3717]

Vladdy is starting to hit like his father

[@Jiggle-ps2dx]

Vlad gonna want Juan Soto money. 10 year 400 million plus.

[@sosa1889]

Sorry my brother the jays don't got the money for vlady

[@rakobats988]

yeah fan for life here but i walk away from them if they fuck this up

[@Raptorsovereverything]

he will make it 30

[@pegnewsarepta3589]

I cannot STAND HIM😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@2222aaaa3333]

They better trade him little Ed Rogers will not give him a huge multi year contract and Bo Bichette also And Bo knows and probably Vlad that Rogers at times nickels and dimes their players especially when they are as good as Bo and Vlad are Cheer for another team Under Rogers Ownership they will never win a World Series Rogers should sell the Canadas baseball team Sell it to an owner who wants to win Rogers just wants to be competitive enough to make money not win playoff games

[@brentmathews663]

21 🎉🎉

[@kidpoker9408]

If he gets to 30 hs he should lead off

[@pegnewsarepta3589]

😢😢😢😢

[@jace2wheel762]

If Shapiro and atkins let him go or at minimum dont get 5 allstar calibre players in a blockbuster trade? Youre going to see canadian baseball fans commit more new and inventive war crimes 😂

[@scott_farr_8975]

If the team really wants him back. and they are NOT going to extend him and they are NOT going to be competitive next year . Might as well trade him for a ton and better the team , make a run at him in free agency . If they are not going to extend him then they have to get something for him now at his PEAK !!!! That would be a huge fail if they hold him until his contract runs out and get no return for him . Offseason / winter meetings a team would get him for a whole year . No extension from front office then a move has to be made then

[@ThatguytoxicRL]

Twenty two

[@The_Zilli]

We all know that the Jays are going to scerw this up and Vlad is walking. If that happens, stick a fork in the franchise for the foreseeable future. It's already bad enough that our farm system is horrible compared to both the Rays and the Orioles already. Nevermind the deep pockets of the Red Sox and Yankees, at this rate, we're going to be joining our Maple Leaf friends with a 60 year drought before they sniff another championship. (Hint, we're about 1/2 way there now)

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

Vladdy said he wants to be a Jay for life

[@robertfry8025]

31 and counting

[@MV-gt1qu]

WHO CARES! Do it when it matters! Tbis isnt about personal glory it all means nothing if we cant win. Do it under pressure or sell the guy i dont care anymore i cant stand to watch him pimp another HR basement dwelling.

[@RowanEverett]

Twenty one

[@keithhosannah3022]

Blue Jays fans are fickle. We wanted Vlad out because of his playoff performance and his hitting early in the season (Vlad had an uncomfortable arbitration hearing last off-season). Before this season, we wanted to keep Bichette and now all of a sudden we want the front office to shop Bichette around.

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

Dude I have heard people saying they should DFA Vladdy and Bo

[@Flexb123]

@@sir.muffiniii7011 Ya the april talk was ridiculous.

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

@@Flexb123 ik like he’s allowed to have a slump, if he’s not having a 5.000 OPS and being the best fielder and baserunner alive and the blue jays don’t go 162-0 they want his head, it’s ridiculous

[@ryanfromthecharley3800]

Imagine if winning the World Series had some real monitery incentive? If the World Series was worth a billion dollars to the winning team divided amongst all the employees of the team. Scouts, trainers, coaches players etc… the game would be way better

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

@@MV-gt1qu not true lmao, 5 playoff games is wayyy to small of a sample size to judge, and what abt 2021 and 2022 when he helped us win? Or every month this year besides April? Vladdy is more than good enough to be the best player on a playoff team when guys like Rafael Devers, Christian Yelich, Carlos Correa, Julio Rodriguez, Francisco Lindor, Fernando Tatis Jr. etc are the best players on their team and are playoff teams, it’s not just on him to make the playoffs, every month besides April he’s had an OPS over .900, and now it’s on the supporting cast to step up, nobody ever gets on Springer, Varsho or Kirk for this stuff

[@nathanf2790]

despite the Guerrero show, the team is still 10 games under .500. Let's assume he plays this well in the first 2 months of next season (highly unlikely). Can this team compete? It will take more than a hot Vlad to win games in the A.L east.

[@piersonthorburn830]

Wouldn't be a problem if they extended him either of the last two years

[@laura-leez]

Give him Ohtani money.

[@michaelblass9789]

Problem? Get rid of the over rated bum.No problem!

[@Thehockeyoutsider99]

he's the Mitch Marner of baseball. He's great through the season and sucks in the playoffs.

[@Tango21C]

You can’t say he sucks in the playoffs .. they never made a playoff run. You’re making a statement over a few wildcard games haha

[@flight1513]

A hot month. blah blah blah

[@1dilligaf]

Glady played like crab, hoping to be traded. Then when he realized he wasn’t going to be traded, no matter how bad he was he started thinking about his future and now he’s playing to get the big contract.

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

Dude he’s been great since May lmao

[@1dilligaf]

@@sir.muffiniii7011 I think you might wanna go back and look a little bit. You’re telling me everybody was calling for him to be traded because he was bad for one month OK and I bet you also think Bo should earn a gold glove for shortstop

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

@@1dilligaf dude what are you even talking about

[@1dilligaf]

@@sir.muffiniii7011 i’m talking about you simps that think Glady and Bo are the two greatest ball players who’ve ever lived

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

@@1dilligaf your projecting big time lmao I never said anything abt that, I don’t think Bo is a good glover

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