The Bore Wars Have Begananant

[@pepperman9460]

why is he klikspreading at me

[@Content_Deleted]

lmao

[@WooberJig]

If his tone was genuine in the comments, he is annoyed at people constantly accusing him of using AI for his voice.

[@krystina662]

sex appeal

[@hagridmary]

he’s kliksplaining too

[@WayStedYou]

@@WooberJig I would be too when they are accusing him of AI over so much basic stuff that clearly isnt

[@Kryptix0III]

Zen +5% vs Intel Ultra -2.85% 🔥🔥🔥

[@auritro3903]

Zen ± 5% vs Intel Ultra -28.5%

[@Kurkkulimu]

dont forget the nvidia RTX 5090$

[@user-hh5pj5jv8p]

@@KurkkulimuRTX $5090 +TAX

[@notreya]

😂

[@crylune]

very funny. as someone who was looking forward to Zen 5 it managed to be the most disappointing release in the past few years, even more so than the shitty 11900K. The fact that none of AMD's current offerings trounce my 14900KS is astounding. meanwhile intel's Arrow Lake does have something to be impressed at, namely their energy efficiency (which was the focus of this generation) plus temperature management. it does extremely well in that regard while still being above AMD in multithreaded performance. and it's just a taste of their new tiled chiplet design and what's to come. expect performance double downs and triple downs with future generations, much like AMD's Zen 1, Zen 2 etc. not that it would matter though, because the fact is modern CPUs are all so fast you barely get any benefits from upgrading. And GPUs are so power hungry you might as well stick with a good midrange to highend offering from either company and call it a day. as for AMD, dunno what to expect anymore. Zen 5 was one of the things I anticipated the most and I have never been so let down. I am legitimately more interested in their GPUs than CPUs at this point. before you shout 'intel fanboy', i am actively using a 7800 XT in my Linux rig because well, Linux loves Radeon and I am tired of Nvidia. I have used Ryzens in the past and loved them. i'm just beginning to have much disdain for AMD's CPU group because of lack of any sort of improvements (apart from X3D but RIP productivity) and horrible pricing.

[@Gamlin]

What an opening shot!

[@CrudDeposit]

hah, *opening*

[@TheLegoJungle]

cock reveal on kliksphilip I presume since that's the IRL content channel

[@heloapako]

Say that again

[@CrudDeposit]

@@heloapako that again

[@heloapako]

@@CrudDeposit ok its good

[@YoYoBobbyJoe]

Hi Philip! Long time fan! I really enjoyed this video! It was chill and laid-back in the perfect way. I don't want to pretend I understood hardly anything you were talking about in it, but it was still a very pleasant video.

[@2kliksphilip]

Thanks!

[@shiba7651]

@@2kliksphilip Is this a self-AI-generated comment?

[@InHUM44n]

@@shiba7651 no.

[@puraasu]

@@shiba7651 Certainly!

[@dovesr0478]

Last gen: NOOOO you can't just pump a ton of power into the CPU for more performance!!! This gen: NOOOO you can't take away power, think about the performance!!!

[@KS-tz9sg]

the issue is will 285K bring 10% more performance overclocked at 14900K power levels? I don't think so, TSMC nodes are know for not scaling with power. And the chiplet design is entirely a cost saving measure that introduced penalties with no benefit for consumers

[@Eonymia]

The 9000 series isn't actually more power efficient than the 7000 series a lot of the time as proven by Gamers Nexus, but at least the new Intel chip has made improvement from the garbage efficiency of the 14 series, but it's still not very good. Though the new chips also pull a lot more power through the 24-pin cable than other series (on at least Asus motherboards) and if the reviewer doesn't know that it can seem more efficient than it is.

[@AntonioZL]

Next gen: NOOOO you can't just pump a ton of power into the CPU for more performance!!!

[@PelonixYT]

the problem is the prices. no reason to go with any of these cpus, upgrade costs are too high, and ryzen is miles better at power efficiency already. Intel should have competed on price and user experience, not fix what 14th gen should have been from the beginning

[@Creepus_Explodus]

@@Eonymia GN only tested efficiency in gaming, which already isn't hitting the CPU power hard, they simply missed a huge part of the picture in their testing. You can see that in their only productivity efficiency test, the 9000 series is vastly more efficient than the 7000. You'll see a similar picture if you look at Phoronix tests, which are also mostly heavy computation benchmarks.

[@Sen9393]

This video didn't need to be in 4k 60 fps but I'm glad it is

[@rkan2]

You can zoom in for 1080p somewhere on the left.

[@timetobargeinandgivemyopin7260]

60 fps is somethin

[@NJ-wb1cz]

4k scrotum

[@ArchLars]

The chads who haven't upgraded their computer in 8 years watching this.

[@DioTheGreatOne]

I still use my first PC that my parents bought in 2013 and it's still going to this day. It's now an old Xeon (basically a 3rd gen i7), 16gb of ddr3 ram, a 960GB SATA SSD and a GTX 1050 that i bought from a friend for like 30 bucks. But the motherboard, PSU and case are still exactly the same.

[@talltale9760]

My poor little i5 8600k just has to hold on for a few more months

[@MadafakinRio]

i5-6400 1050Ti solo 250GB SSD using it since 2017, and going to for at least a couple more years

[@zakstephens9297]

Up to six, still going strong!

[@vibaj16]

me on a chromebook...

[@WayStedYou]

2 Manspreads Philip'e asserting dominance on the viewers.

[@zendefta]

"Fk all" is probably my fav brit phrase 😂

[@Dribbleondo]

The square root of fck all is much better ;)

[@Content_Deleted]

Same

[@hundvd_7]

Fuckall is british? I had no idea

[@Alec_Reaper]

As a scot, you can't beat "Get tae fk"

[@KingLich451]

​@@Alec_Reapermy fav scot line "Wel'c tae Limmy Shoo"

[@Name_cannot_be_blank]

I like that hes using a camera! And he probably did it to not be called AI voiced for the millionth time as usual...

[@wadurito]

It's so uncanny, almost feels like one of those picture to video AIs

[@lijo1830]

​@@waduritoumm no?

[@kyleabriol8540]

​@@wadurito you silly goose. an AI would never klikspread at you like that

[@bluetech2809]

lol he has the most AI-sounding voice thats why

[@jyrolys6]

@@kyleabriol8540 The training has begun... only a matter of time before klikspreading spreads

[@Nakitashii]

9:12 HOLD ON TO YOUR PAPERS

[@tamius-han]

I think that people who complain about how there's been no performance gain never had to pay for their own electricity. I am kinda excited about the "same performance but for less power" way things are going, at least my room won't become a sauna the instant I start playing a game.

[@Jackpkmn]

I pay for my own power and I'm still not excited about the power saving. Because the actual cost savings I will get over an entire year from a 65w vs a 95w cpu is uhh, $3.58USD for an entire year. If I run it flat out 24/7 full bore on something. Both CPUs will have negligible differences between the two while at idle and will be completely irreverent while powered off. 2 *minutes* of running the heat consumes that much power. This very much reminds me of my grandmother blaming our high power bill on the lights. When cranking the electric heat. Installing 1300w heaters in every room of the house.

[@titaniummechanism3214]

Your room turning into a sauna when gaming is mainly caused by the GPU, not the CPU. My CPU consumes about 50 to 60 watts when gaming, while my GPU consumes 120 to 140 watts. When shopping for a gaming CPU, power consumption isn't something I'd pay much attention to. Edit: Well, unless you're upgrading from a 14900K to a 285k, which sometimes consumes 100 watts less power even when only gaming and not under full load. But that's kind of an outlier.

[@emilemil1]

I care a lot about efficiency because poor efficiency translates into high heat and therefore high noise. I like my PC to be quiet when I'm playing quiet games, watching movies, doing work, or pretty much everything that isn't loud gaming or music. High efficiency is also very exciting news for laptops and handhelds that are always limited by thermals and that will see a much greater performance uplift. I also think that people overlook how much money you can save from the reduced energy consumption, especially in areas where electricity is expensive. You can easily save 100+ dollars over the lifespan of the CPU if you're a heavy user, so if you factor that into the total price of the product then it becomes a lot more exciting. We've seen remarkable performance gains every generation for a while now, but part of that is because TDP has also been going up and up. It's not sustainable long-term, at some point the focus must shift to efficiency, and that time seems to be now for CPUs. It's pretty boring but also necessary, and it leaves room for significant performance improvements down the line as TDP will inevitably start climbing back up again.

[@LutraLovegood]

Lower heat and noise are great in the long run. The less fan noise I get, the less tinnitus I risk. And with the global warmings we're experiencing the less heat my devices make, the better.

[@rhoharane]

This is a good argument for getting an Nvidia GPU. But the efficiency story AMD was selling was bogus. Reviewers who did the measurement actually saw no efficiency gains. A 9700X is basically a 7700 in terms of performance and power consumption. And Intel, well, let's just be glad they're not selling CPUs anymore that were practically cooking themselves alive. But yeah, power efficiency is really good for many reasons. Quieter fans. For hot places, not needing to turn on the AC when you use your PC is also a huge deal. It also translates to better usable lifespan on smaller devices like mini-PCs, tablets, laptops and handhelds, as long as there aren't thermal hotspots that cause damage to it.

[@Cory_]

The spread legs with the three KZbin plaques in the background is a power move if I've ever seen one.

[@ollie_]

I just want to say I really enjoy those tech videos. The ones about JPEG XL and other compression algorithm were extremely enjoyable as well, please make more tech videos of that style, I like learning stuff

[@goldroger9990]

@0:14 should have used the Vsauce music

[@Radix_dev]

I would have commented this but I glance at the comments and fall out my chair

[@macksii]

i'm curious if showing your human self increases retention by a huge amount

[@2kliksphilip]

Just gives me more entertaining filler footage than a blank screen and for less effort

[@rattlehead999]

Why do people not know that Ryzen 7000 NON-X CPUs exist, they were already the efficient CPUs that the 9000 series are.

[@mariuspuiu9555]

that's where the 5% comes from. at the same TDP it is around 5% faster.

[@iurigrang]

​@@mariuspuiu9555 yes, but that means it isn't much more efficient either, it's just a 5% improvement in performance being touted as a massive efficiency increase by renaming the non X processors.

[@pathway4582]

@@iurigrang Yea its just marketing. Maybe the next gen will be worth looking at.

[@rattlehead999]

@@iurigrang Zen5 is 20-70% faster in data center and server workloads, that's where all the improvements and extra 1.2 billion transistors went.

[@mariuspuiu9555]

@@iurigrang for desktop yes. it seems AMD released Zen 5 with a new I/O chiplet for servers and it really is destroying Intel. They are leaving so much perf on the table for desktop :( Zen5+ in 2025 maybe?

[@cezannealves6926]

You forgot to mention the laptop market. The efficiency improvements from both AMD and Intel in this generation means a lot for laptop users. On laptops, efficiency is the currency for performance, battery life, less heat, lightness and portability. And they needed to do an overhaul for efficiency on their architectures now to not lose a lot of laptop market share to Qualcom and Apple, which were way more efficient.

[@Kiyuja]

My personal hot take is that this gen is actually pretty fine, for the following reasons. -We NEED wider adoption of modern Instruction Sets like AVX-512 to motivate developers to take advantage of them to boost performance and increase battery life. -Nobody loses here, people who get the latest and greatest OR have to upgrade now (maybe with a laptop) yield the benefits, people on last gen dont have FOMO to spend money again AND "bang for buck" people now enjoy current gen performance at a discount. As long as this isnt a permanent trend everybody wins here, even the passive cooled couch PC people...

[@royorbit3800]

Gosh, I feel like I’ve seen shots of you running around and throwing cash about the place, photos and VR mattress madness - but to see you actually do a video on camera with the same music and style was so jarring and uncanny to me!! But in a good way, like when you are talking to a girl online for years and you finally meet up and she isn’t quite what you expected but you fall in love with her for a whole bunch of new reasons. Julia if your reading this I miss you i want to see the kids!!

[@vibaj16]

that second paragraph sounded like something kliksphilip would say

[@mlgpro5561]

i think this is the first video where you seemed to be very natural in front of the camera, great to see the improvement of our kind king philip :)

[@AveragePootis]

I love your computer part videos, i really hope you will make a video on power supplies at some point, i think there is some interesting history to be discussed

[@flyignpig]

7:46 YYEEEEESSSS!!! Finally someone who understands the frustration of highlighting text only for the site to ask it I want to "share" it. I often read on the internet by highlighting the parts I want to focus on, and it becomes so distracting for this thing to pop up all the time.

[@mushroomcrepes]

yeah I have js turned off by default for new sites cause it is a pain to use these types of sites

[@hoebare]

I completely agree. It's like they think I don't know how to hit ctrl-c/ctrl-v. Being condescended to puts me in a mood to think ill of a site or product.

[@Vecto]

great. now it's all over the screen. thaks soo much Philip.

[@dmdjt]

Why is nobody talking about heat production? I measure 28+°C in my apartment in summer. The last thing I want to do in summer is to spin up my 3090 and add a few degrees more. Efficiency is getting more and more important. No sane person would turn on a 700W heater in summer. But that's what we do to get the latest and best graphics...

[@Content_Deleted]

Love how you've filmed this video in such a way that the people claiming you've been using AI just can't say anything. Considering I've never and never will be in such a position myself it feels a bit pointless to attempt to express my sympathies but having been on the receiving end of this kind of phenomenon where people are just assuming stuff that just ain't it, I appreciate how you've gone about responding to it, and along with your usual way of writing and doing these videos, it inspires me in how I can navigate these types of social problems myself. Thanks for being awesome, Philip :> P.S. I did actually enjoy that CS video you made with all the beans and whatnot, and the AI pictures helped to describe the story, which I think was a completely acceptable reason to use them. I think I understand where people are coming from though, so you should probably navigate that with care in the future. I see both sides but it's a rare situation where like, I mean, it really does depend on who you ask, eh? P.S.S Do you plan on making a Discord server? Would love to chat there, never really been big on KZbin comments.

[@kirestus]

Came for the analysis stayed for the anatomy

[@ADINSX3]

Read that as "Boer Wars" and was like "oh god not more of them"

[@DamienCloud]

I was already following you when you were covering hl2, it truly is a blessing to have a person like you still making videos and still being real 10 years later, I love what you do and what you choose to talk about, thank you for your beautiful work ❤️

[@Dewm_]

Thank you for always sharing your passion with us Philip! It's really nice to be able to come back to a familiar voice and just sorta indulge into topics that remind us of how things used to be, what's happen now, and what we might see in the future. The fact you're able to keep this down to a 10 minute video is really refreshing. I appreciate your efforts to keep this edited down and digestible, as I feel far too often we are seeing things trend to either being far too short, or far too long. All in all, thank you for always staying true Philip.

[@jorge69696]

What the hell is that pillow thing? It looks like it has a human body inside.

[@pinkfloyder2990]

Hippopotamus

[@furinick]

It is

[@skylx0812]

...went to the Shire and bagged a big one.

[@ConorDoesItAll]

Music @ 3:39?

[@Spaceplant109]

Yes that's music

[@ConorDoesItAll]

@@Spaceplant109 Very clever, I would like to know the name of the music.

[@MrDawn]

People who don't care about power efficiency can't hear you over their loud-ass fans on max speed while watching a KZbin video

[@Alphacuremom55]

Can you type that louder I can't hear you

[@joemama069]

😭😭😭

[@backwrdsmusic]

is the audio and video delayed in the video or am i going crazy? good video btw !

[@donkeybucks7436]

Not going to lie, it's a pleasure seeing this handsome man instead of some much more context-appropriate AI images

[@kenneth_romero]

ngl i am excited for better power efficient x86 chips. imagine them being able to do the same type of performance on and off the outlet, not needing to slow down or need such crazy cooling solutions.

[@portman8909]

It'll be really great for laptops. Macs have been destroying windows laptops for too long now in power efficiency. And the snapdragons are a marketing joke for laptops at the minute.

[@DTM1337]

I like this type of chill video explaining this all, I've lost touch lately with the latest CPUs etc as happy still with my current setup, thanks Philip + enjoyed the bloopers/mistakes, thanks for keeping those in

[@funtaril]

It's so refreshing to not just hear the sound of your very distinctive voice but actually seeing the person as they produce that sound.

[@JanTheLitterbox]

I though this is a new Fartmaster upload, in the beginning. Now i am sad.

[@sophie3352]

Strange how 2kliks philip stole his brothers gold play award just for an opening shot, i sure hope 3kliksphilip was okay with this theft!

[@Razzy_III]

Zen 5 being a bit underwhelming really shouldn’t make people feel like they’ve been “robbed” of long term support value. AM4 wasn’t astounding value because you could upgrade every cpu generation, it was because people were able to go from a 2700x in 2018 to a 5800X3D in 2022 for nearly a 100% increase in performance. It’s also unclear currently if there’s another technology coming soon that’ll have as drastic of an impact as X3D, and zen in general now is much more mature and optimized than Zen 2 was back then. A lot of gamers will be starting their AM5 experience on 7800X3D so at the end of the socket’s life they might “only” get a 40-50% bump. As someone building PCs since 2010, this is still great value; I’ve been on Intel only so far and an in-socket upgrade has never to made ANY sense on their models. The one that came the closest I did recently (12600K->14700K) has really made me wish I just switched to AM5 instead. Would have cost damn near the same and been faster overall.

[@shepardpolska]

I will never forget my amazing Z170 upgrade path. 6700k to 7700k, all of that margin error performence improvement xD

[@Flokirie]

Excellent format, Philip. Love it if this brings on a new era of laidback talking head videos.

[@alan2here]

edit: Beneficiaries to halving CPU and GPU power usage for the same performance: • The largest customers: Your language model training farm can now double its size before maxing out the national grid or the nuclear power station you built to power it. • People who find BRRRRR 💥 all day sanity defeating: Perhaps increased efficency could mean decreased fan DB, to sell this make sure that fan decibels is listed in the spec. • Semi-classic gamers: Anyone who needs some performance but who doesn't benefit from it being state of the art could see the upsides of a lower electricity bill as being all benifit.

[@somdudewillson]

The largest customers are not training giant language models on a _CPU._ I wouldn't be surprised if even a bog-standard GPU would provide better power efficiency given that it is more specialized for the task, nevermind dedicated TPU units.

[@alan2here]

@@somdudewillson yep you're right, I was thinking GPUs

[@LutraLovegood]

Largest customers are buying H100 and the like, not your average GPU, let alone these CPUs.

[@user-eg8yc8ew2b]

Dude your mic is insane

[@BodisBomas]

Pleasantly surprise to find an overview on this situation from you. Although I am glad I did, this has to be the best commentary on this.

[@jyrolys6]

Just when I thought sheer willpower will stop me from staring, the subtitles came on...

[@dawn_oh420]

Love the format of this video, the whole "talking to a camera" thing really seems to work for you!

[@darbyshiredanny97]

Your videos are so damn cosy. I really like the direct to camera narration you're doing of late too.

[@xFluing]

5:05 small correction: only epyc and threadripper used chiplets in the 1st generation. It was only with Zen 2 (3000 series) that they started using chiplets in mainstream CPUs too

[@Slein-bs6ty]

Great video, i like efficiency. That ai erased picture at the end made me again speechless over the power such tools can have.

[@Tarkov.]

AMD is just trying to squeeze the most out of early adopters, it's smart business. It's funny how bad it hurts the value proposition though, and when a gamer sees a 10% uplift for $500 (not counting a motherboard) they just wait for the next big thing.

[@Andytlp]

No point upgrading if the jump is less than say 25-30%. Usually that takes 2-3 generations to get that much. Especially on intel side. So thats 4-6 years. I doubt 9800x3d is going to have more than 10% jump over 7800x3d. But i also wont be surprised if its close to 20% due to higher clocks and higher ram speed support.

[@akiraishu4453]

you look incredibly matured and confident in this format, even better by owning the lil mistakes ❤

[@JoshFlynn101]

9:33 Arm says no those who know:

[@Diie89]

I am so happy to hear you cover new gen computer stuff, great video 👍

[@Robstrap]

I love how AMD and Intel have literally swapped places. 10 years ago AMD were doing exactly what Intel are doing now

[@mcul3474]

😂💯

[@Paelmoon]

This was definately made before the 9800x3d came out lol.

[@lll9140]

i usually skip the computer part vids cause I don't care (and too poor) for the bleeding edge but I like face cam on this one :) love u phillip xoxo

[@RudeCanine]

I appreciate the decision of choosing another small seat

[@Foxfac3]

The slow zoom into the plush at 5:50 cutting away before it could get awkwardly close made me laugh

[@TrueFerret]

Planet Coaster 2 MENTIONED!!!!!

[@InHUM44n]

Best Video I've seen on this topic so far. Can't wait for Ryzen 9X3D to see where the conversation goes next.

[@yukijoou]

honestly, i like the focus on efficiency. it's been years since i've felt the need for a performance increase, and i've been needing a portable workstation more and more, so all that efficiency stuff is very welcome! i mean, i may not represent the majority of people, but i think we're going through exciting times for PCs!

[@BigTylt]

Spreadmaster Philip showing off his sacc for the entire world to see

[@mttrashcan-bg1ro]

It's really sad because not only does it mean these new generations are bashed for not improving much, but the next generation will have to do a lot for people to be happy and I'm already guessing people will be disappointed in Zen 6 and Core 300S

[@jalipeno97]

i actually dont hate the new visual focus, i mostly watch your videos for you so having you front and centre in the frame is really nice actually. on the topic of the video, idk im still on am4 with a 5800x3d and i dont feel the need or desire to upgrade for a while. maybe ill get a new gpu as i just grabbed a 1440p monitor and my 6700xt is starting to chug in some games, but i just moved so i have no money for a while. all the more reason the power efficiency of amd is a blessing

[@tmthomsen]

Perfect framing throughout the video 👌👌👌👌👌👌

[@zangl2955]

i dont care about efficiency because my mum pays the electricity bill

[@jankkhvej434]

Love the Deus Ex towel!

[@titanic_monarch796]

are you seriously telling me that there's a massive efficiency increase and there's not people all over it

[@notwhatitwasbefore]

not sure why people (in the uk in particular) aren't interested in efficiency, I mean after the crazy spike in energy prices the UK chose to inflict on it self twice in a very short period of time I was much more interested in the 5700x from AMD at 65w than the intel range of cpus that were pulling 2-300w and in some cases even more. Same in the gpu space yes a 4090 gives many frames but it also pulls ~500w in some situations as well. Add the intel and nvidia high end together and you have a draw of over 1kw not including conversion losses, thats expensive to run for many hours in the UK, or you could buy the more efficient parts and get more or less the same experience (ray tracing does not make players better no matter how hard the cope) without needing to get a third job that takes away what little gaming time you may have. Americans I get it you pay less for the hardware and your energy bills are essentially free in comparison but same performance for less runnning costs is actually a good thing, maybe not the best thing which is faster for less power but *looks at intels 200 series, yeah that lol

[@2kliksphilip]

Nothing stopping you from getting an Intel chip and then power limiting it to your desired amount. Back in the day you'd get a chip and overclock it for more performance. Now you've got to see it as the reverse- it's already overclocked to near breaking point, and it makes more sense to halve the power and to still get 85-90% of the performance. And energy costs are a very, VERY complicated matter, lack of long-term foresight, fear of investment and ties to fossil fuels for reliable energy backups, but yeah thje end user gets shafted here. Though it's mostly in the daily cost which you're charged no matter what you use... even if you're using nothing at all. That standing charge has doubled in the last few years...

[@hamishmacdonald8593]

Really like this ‘live’ format

[@ScarfKat]

My biggest pet peeve with modern PC hardware is how much companies have been over-prioritizing raw power and performance over efficiency. Imo this is the best route things could be going right now, because the industry is long overdue for this kind of optimization.

[@TomClark2]

This format is great, I enjoy this format, please can format have more please.

[@gladeare]

guessing that a large part of the reason for the efficiency focus is ARM's comparatively high efficiency. I'm pretty happy with this upgrade, since I was already planning on undervolting my next build for a more silent rig with lower energy costs.

[@jonnyrichards]

Ditching hyper-threading makes perfect sense tbh. Instructions just don't take long enough to execute for it to be viable any more. As CPUs get faster more and more of their down time is spent waiting for memory accesses rather than long operations.

[@cupofdirtfordinner]

thank you for making content that is consistently interesting and engaging

[@alexr1632]

I didn't want to see that, Philip.

[@hundvd_7]

I 100% agree that efficiency is what will matter in the short-to-medium term. We have all been collectively moving to smaller and more portable devices, mostly because of our smartphones, tablets and other such gadgets. And _by far_ the #1 thing holding their power back is just that. Power. Not in terms of performance, but raw wattage. In other words: battery capacity. Unfortunately, we are pretty much at a standstill with significant improvement to battery tech-despite heavy investment and even some successes by multiple companies. There's just no real generational improvements like what we see, and have been seeing, in terms of processing. So, the only way we can achieve those leaps is by making our existing high power devices less inefficient. Because there _is_ a lot of room there. As they have always been primarily targeted at a desktop landscape, efficiency was always left behind in terms of raw performance. Now, that finally seems to be changing. And I couldn't be more excited.

[@syedrehanfida]

Beautifully shot and edited video! Are you gonna give us a full pixel 8a review? :)

[@TheDiymovies]

Still a big fan of this format! Do you find it takes more or less takes when in front of the camera or just speaking into the mic?

[@2kliksphilip]

Easier filler footage than having to find something else for every second of video time

[@Andreeee75]

It makes sense. The companys are prioritizing power efficiency for a reason.

[@torvasdh]

Thank god for the efficiency improvements to make room the the 800W 50 series GPUs 😊😊

[@aixizu]

what is really good is they increased the density of cache, architecturally it's probably a good thing to look forward to but the performance uplift was quite disappointing lol

[@Derpynewb]

I havent watched the entire video yet. Amd announced it was a redesign and that the focused on memory. X3d is memory related.I theorised the x3d would kick ass. Now with the power of hindsight we know it paid off. Despite the regular chips performing similarly. The x3d variant brings more performance onto the table. Albeit the 100-200 price range is lacking as much innovation. The segmentation is getting a little wider.

[@somedude6351]

While it is really boring and dissapointing for people who are aiming to upgrade right now, for us that have just upgraded this is honestly great since it means that the products that come out next gen or the gen after that will probably get a lot more power and have the power efficiency from this generation along with it.

[@joemama069]

With the 9800X3D out now and being barely more expensive than the 7800X3D, one might say this video didn't age too well.

[@2kliksphilip]

Why not? What about the 9800x3d did I say that was wrong?

[@joemama069]

@2kliksphilip I was mainly talking about the generational improvement, I should've clarified that. I think one of AMD's primary objectives with Zen 5 was to optimize the architecture in order to squeeze even more performance out of the X3D. The 9950X3D will likely also bring a big improvement over the 7950X3D due to these architectural changes. Otherwise yeah, CPUs seem to have stagnated somewhat, but that's just the game. The RTX 20 Series didn't bring much of a improvement over Pascal, but look where the 40 Series is now and where the 50 Series will land. As you said, the current architectures will probably be a launch pad for pretty sizeable performance gains in the future for both AMD and Intel.

[@2kliksphilip]

The 2000 series introduced a bunch of tensor cores in addition to a bit of extra performance, and the 4000 series benefitted from a significantly new process. Processors used to rely on these for significant performance and efficiency improvements every other generation

[@mondobe]

The focus on power efficiency over performance reminds me of Multics being overshadowed by Unix. Worse at first, but it builds a foundation for much better systems

[@Igorzulul]

I understand only 40% of what is said and I keep on watching it as if I understand because of Phillip

[@julespetrikov]

That cover is the most beautiful cover of all time and I will not have it otherwise.

[@wileysneak]

that is the coolest christmas jumper i've ever seen

[@wileysneak]

also its october you mad man

[@ADadasadasdadw]

I have no idea what he talked about, but it's always entertaining to listen to Philip.

[@brumby92]

I enjoy when Phil swears. Really leans into it.

[@ExoCalibra]

please dont kill this talking series like you killed the ones before. I love listening you.

[@THEGREATAPPLEFIRE]

A fellow Rolston combination lock enjoyer I see , that kind of sound decision-making is bang on brand.

[@xpk0228]

Zen 5 is pretty big on server, but they didn't bother with a new IO die on desktop which does hamper the performance quite a bit. The gains of full path AVX512 will probably come a few years down the line when software catches up.

[@Freakmaster480]

Technically speaking, amd does have 2 cores for zen 4/zen5. They have the full size standard cores and the smaller c cores. C cores maintain all the functionality of the full size cores, but they are about half the size, they reduce the cache, and they can't clock as high due to density.

[@tosemusername]

The fundamental problem with Zen 5 is that it effectively promised Ryzen 7-ish Zen 4 performance for Ryzen 5-ish TDPs. I was hyped for exactly that. But it didn't materialize.

[@EthicalAllele]

I don't know why, but the tasteful pose kept me hooked in the video.

[@Quast]

I'm always suprised how level-headed your perspectives stay. I certainly see this generation as the first since, what was it, the 11000 or 12000 generation from Intel to really bring back a balance in power/performance. Though what I'm utterly disappointed in is the prices of these processors. I was thinking of the 265K + iGPU, but when I have to consider the outlook what a successor of the 8700G will likely bring to the table in iGPU performance and price reduction after half a year, I'm not so sure if Intel really has closed the gap, not to talk about the X3D AMD models in comparison.