The Boss HM-2 and Bilinda Butcher || 🇯🇵 x 🇹🇼 - Which 'Heavy Metal' for My Bloody Valentine Sound?

[@manualofalternativemusic]

I’m one day late, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY LOVELESS! 30 years old and you still sound as unique as when I heard you for the first time ❤️

[@Kchaann]

with their whole discography recently being released, this was just the video i needed, bless you!

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thank you (: I was so happy when they released their discography (finally!!). Really glad you liked it bro 😎 bless you too!

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Been listening to it every day since then 🌚

[@gregtube7378]

Another great video. This time the audio is much better. I really appreciate the effort you put into these videos. Thank you so much and keep up the good work.

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thanks bro (; thanks for the very useful advice last time. Glad you liked it! I have a lot of fun producing it. Will definitely keep them coming!

[@manualofalternativemusic]

📌 Hi everyone, I was misinformed about Bilinda participating in recording sessions for MBV. Kevin Shields recorded himself all the guitars and even most of the bass tracks for Loveless and other MBV albums. I didn’t know it at the time of making this video, and thought she used the HM2 for tracking the album when actually she just used it live. Thanks for your time (; This video was released 5 days before MBV released their discography on streaming services again! Was it a signal when I uploaded it? Of course not, but check out their music again people and spread the word 🥰 my bloody valentine is back!! Edit: I hope we don’t have to wait another ten years for a new album 😬

[@12monkeys95]

13:41 boi that was not cringe. That actually sounded pretty good. You just need to quadtrack your vocals and add loads of reverb, chorus, and a tiny bit of delay, and phaser and you'll sound the same way bilinda butcher sounds on only shallow, and soon.

[@manualofalternativemusic]

@@12monkeys95 thanks!! Really thanks a lot 😅 I’ve had Sometimes stuck in my head for the last few weeks, and I just had some fun right there. Bilinda is a great singer, I’d love to mimic her singing better, I’ve recorded my own version of Only Shallow and experimented a lot tracking many vocals with different mics and adding different effects to them, I’ll take your advices definitely (: along with Kurt cobain, she’s one of my favorite singers

[@bororitv]

Don’t even joke around with it! really hoping they don’t spend another 10 years in the shadows

[@bigmuffmelvin7388]

Awesome video, Belinda does not get enough love. I’m honestly shocked at how close the mij and mit hm2 sound. Seems most of the time you can tell a big difference in mij and mit boss pedals

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thanks (; I couldn’t agree more, she’s an amazing guitar player. Indeed, I also think they do sound very similar, and I guess that if you think about it, no one’s going to notice the difference in a shoegazy band context since there’s usually a lot of stuff going on: bass, drums, synths, layers of vocals.. If you like the hm-2, I think any model will serve you very well

[@bororitv]

Ah great 😊 I love bilinda everyone just focus on Kevin. It’s not exactly wrong but her contribution to the band goes way beyond vocals her guitar skills are awesome

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Agreed! She’s a great musician, MBV wouldn’t be MBV without her

[@IamSpearow23]

Awesome keep up with good work!!

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thanks a lot, Emmanuel (;

[@jeffmorgan2824]

No way! You nailed it!!!

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thanks a lot bro!! (:

[@bilindabutcher1]

Nice one! I prefer the hm2s with no reverb, I think it's the closest to bilinda's tone

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thank you! Yes, I don't really now much about how she uses her gear live, there's a lot of mystery around it, but the hm-2 on its own really gets close indeed

[@al271987]

I’m always confused by the MIJ vs MIT stuff with the HM-2, the circuit had zero changes throughout its original production run so manufacturing location truly does not matter at all. Component tolerances will cause any two pedals to sound a bit different regardless of where they were made. Grab two MIJ and shoot them out and you’ll find they sound different too.

[@manualofalternativemusic]

I didn’t know there weren’t changes in the circuit! Yeah you’re right, if it’s the same circuit it makes this situation even funnier 😅. Definitely bro, component tolerances is definitely the thing that tear pedals apart from one another, mostly vintage stuff like these 2, as manufacturing technology was not as good as today. Playing both in loud volumes like MBV did probably will result in even less differences

[@gerrydaly5409]

That was really interesting- nice to see someone try to clone Belinda’s tone for a change. Seems like Kenneth & pedal partners are the only other KZbin channels doing MBV stuff at the moment- keep up the good work the as you got some great MBV guitar tones in your video. Is that Fender Jaguar model that you have out of production or can you still buy them?

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Agreed Gerry, Bilinda's guitar tone often gets overshadowed by Shield's guitar tones and techniques - but we cannot forget that her contribution to the bands mix is far more important than vocals! Her guitar tone has always been a reference to me, one of my biggest inspirations. Thanks a lot bro (; there will never be enough MBV videos online, happy to contribute to that. My guitar is a Squier Vintage Modified Jaguar, it's a 2012 model - I don't know if it's still beeing produced as I've bought mine second hand. It's a great guitar, plays really well! I intend to get some fancy pickups for it, but the stock pickups sound awesome already (: you can't go wrong. As it's a solid guitar, I do reccomend checking it out! reverb.com/p/squier-vintage-modified-jaguar-electric-guitar - Here are some second hand models available bro

[@gerrydaly5409]

​@@manualofalternativemusic Thanks a lot for your reply, l' so happy to hear its a Squire and not a really expensive vintage Fender guitar - I will have to buy one as it sounds great

[@manualofalternativemusic]

@@gerrydaly5409 ah Gerry yeah, I can only dream about a fancy Jag like that right now 😅 but this Squier is fantastic, I loved it from the first moment I’ve played Bro, it’s a great guitar. The build quality is great, I used it a lot before the pandemics for shows and gigs because of how it looks 🌚 this Olympic white with tortoise shield Bilinda used is just beautiful. You won’t regret bro (;

[@fernandofrnca]

Quite cool!

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thanks!!

[@DSKim-ej5uf]

I felt it while watching your video that appeared in front of my KZbin window with a fluttering look like in a dream. Thank you for the algorithm that made it possible to watch good videos, I hope that you will succeed as you have worked hard for your dreams. No matter how dark the night sky, it can be beautiful because of your image in front of me. Even if it's just a passing relationship that I've never seen offline and don't know the name of, I'm so happy to meet you through your video in the KZbin world. On the waves waving and swaying on the huge sea called KZbin, my little channel boat is paddling towards my dream today. I am very lucky to have found your video while rowing a small paddle and going endlessly and endlessly. After watching your video, I really fell in love with it. Your video shines the most on my KZbin window right now. Your video is the best video. Watching your videos makes me really happy. I wish you could stay by my side forever. In the night sky, in the wide KZbin world like the Milky Way, I accidentally met your beautiful video like a star and enjoyed it as if in a dream. Even if the KZbin road is rough and the rain and wind blows, and everything in this world moves away from me, I will always keep your video in my memory. Even if the seasons pass and the years pass and the mountains and streams change, I think the KZbin world will never change and will last forever. Whether it was a coincidence or a coincidence based on an unknown mysterious algorithm, I opened my KZbin window and your thumbnail caught my eye. You have the ability to make your videos instantly stunning and attractive. Thank you for making my lonely heart so happy after watching your video.

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thanks for the kind words pal (: I can’t describe enough how this makes me happy!! Cheers from Brazil 😁

[@arydorrego2946]

Excelente 👌

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Muito obrigado!! (:

[@L0nald]

second song you played?

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Only tomorrow (;

[@mrt77wv]

The two different HM-2s are really close. I'm sure if you're playing at face melting volumes like MBV tends to do, the differences would be even less noticeable.

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Indeed! Would love to play them through a marshall stack like they did live and blow the heck out of those speakers with the hm-2s like bilinda does (:

[@JM.COSMIC]

Hi I have a question do you use a 9v or a 12v power supply for the Boss HM-2? I will buy one this week but I only have a Strymon Ojai wich is a 9v with 5 slots... The other option that I have is to power supply it through my TU-3 will that work?? and is it much difference between a 9v and a 12v in the HM-2? greetings from Chile

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Hi there! I know that using a daisy chain it should work, but I’m not sure about the TU-3. I’m using a Landscape Isopower 7, it has 12v slots, I’m powering both with 12v. If you have a daisy chain power supply hanging around you can try daisy chaining the hm2 with another pedal before buying a 12v power supply (:

[@leevanwesterborg7805]

All Hm-2s sound slightly different from each other. i like your Jaguar and the cat. My cat would sleep on the couch while i sang and played, but if i got too loud he'd give me the stinkeye.

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thanks! My cats do the same 😅 I generally plug DI to my audio interface when they’re around so I don’t bother them with loud noise anymore. It’s their house 😂 so I better behave myself

[@daveronhertpark7134]

Vídeo maravilhoso! O som desse pedal é animal, é bacana ver como ele influenciou pelo menos dois gêneros musicais diferentes. Eu sempre quis um pedal de fuzz, e agora ele está no páreo com o Big Muff soviético pra mim. Eu toco rock alternativo, mbv e sonic youth. Qual dos dois você me recomendaria? (o hm2 seria aquele da black bug mesmo :)

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Muito obrigado!! O hm-2 é um dos meus pedais favoritos hehehe. Honestamente, acho que os dois seriam úteis nesses estilos, mas o hm2 não substituiria um fuzz na minha opinião (ou substituiria.. depende muito do riff que você pensa em usá-los sabe?). Kkkkkkk o da black bug parece ser uma boa opção, na verdade todos hm2s são excelentes, testei o da behringer e também é uma ótima opção! Você já tem algum fuzz na board que cubra suas necessidades? Se sim, eu acho que adicionar algum sabor de Hm2 aí seria ótimo! É uma distorção muito versátil hehehe. Espero ter ajudado e obrigado pelo comentário (:

[@daveronhertpark7134]

@@manualofalternativemusic eu tenho um pedal RAT clone, mas honestamente, ele não tem low end direito, soa pra mim mais como um overdrive, mesmo ajustando o filter dele. eu queria o hm2 pra adicionar um grande peso no som, de graves e distorção mesmo.

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Pelo que testei aqui em casa vai funcionar muito bem! E cara kkkkkk o hm2 é muito divertido sabe? Do nada simplesmente poder torar o High e ter som de Death metal sueco é muito engraçado. No geral, ele pode funcionar como uma distorção fuzzy se vc precisar, com o boost do rat acho que ajudaria mais ainda - pra usar assim eu gosto de por tudo no máximo hehehe (menos o agudo)

[@shahrajibrahim5920]

hey what song is "4" ?

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Hi, thanks for commenting! I wrote “4” because it’s the forth test - there’s a limit to what you can write on video descriptions. It’s “Sometimes” off of the Loveless record

[@shahrajibrahim5920]

@@manualofalternativemusic I see , thanks dude. Next are u gonna review the behringer HM300 ?

[@manualofalternativemusic]

You’re welcome! I intend too yeah (: I’ll see if I can get my hands on one soon, it seems to get pretty close to the boss tone for what I’ve seen online. I’d love to test it for shoegaze

[@randyhollandsworth626]

Hi, How do you have your lead circuit setup on you Fender Jaguar? Looks like Left(mid)=off, Middle(lead)=on, Right(rhythm)=off. Thanks!

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Hi Randy, that’s exactly it (: it has lots of options regarding pickups, but as someone who has used a tele and a sg for a long time, I tend to use just the neck pickup or the bridge pickup most of the time 😅 so it’s just the Lead “mode” on the jag on this one

[@randyhollandsworth626]

@@manualofalternativemusic Cheers!

[@usgolf95]

Have you tried the TC Electronic Eyemaster (HM2 clone)? It doesn’t have the tone knobs, just volume and gain. Would that be a dealbreaker to get these kind of sounds? It’s

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Hi bro, thanks for commenting! I’m afraid it would.. The tc elec eyemaster is a great pedal, the only thing I like and don’t like about it at the same time is that it doesn’t have the Hi knob 😣 so you always get that chainsaw sound whenever it’s on - which is not bad! It’s a great tone, you would just end going into more extreme distortions for shoegaze (it’s not necessarily a bad thing 🌚 but you’re stuck with it). If tc had considered to put a Hi knob instead of Gain in that pedal, it would be perfect for the mbv tone and an overall more versatile pedal, it’s the Hi that changes the character of the hm-2 the most. If you want the MBV sound, I’d recommend getting the Behringer hm300 (I’ll try it against my hm-2s for shoegaze soon) or buying the angry Swede, both will get you closer (; but it depends on what you want

[@usgolf95]

Thank you so much for the detailed reply. I’m leaning towards the hm300 now (only thing putting me off is the plastic) Have you tried a DS2 for these types of tones? I’m also able to get that at a good price - or should I try the Behringer?

[@manualofalternativemusic]

You’re welcome! I love talking gear (: Yes the only downside of the hm-300 is the plastic, might be a headache sometimes, but it sounds great as far as I’ve seen it online. I wanna get one and film It against my hm-2s to see how they compare for shoegaze. Maybe you could change the plastic for a metal housing, but I’m not exactly sure how to do it. If so, it’d be a great great pedal. The DS-2 is a great pedal for shoegaze bro, as it is for grunge 🤤 it amazes me how well this pedal does on these genres, if you want to get one you’ll not regret (; I demo it here (kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6OUYXeMpK52m80) in my shoegaze Distortion shootout, I play a mbv song (only tomorrow) through it. Sounds great! You won’t go wrong with either of the pedals bro (;

[@bigtsshackfestival9563]

I tried and hm 2 and thought it was the worst , Just not musical at all. I love heavy pedals too. Rats , dirty fuzzes of all kinds , the diesel sounds good , but the hm 2 is just a weird ass pedal man. I respect the love it’s just not for everyone. Really cool vid. Loved what u brought with it even though I hated it for myself 🫡

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thank you! I’m with you on that bro, it takes some time to get used to it, if you’re still curious about it try using it in a gig or having a band along with you (: it works well in a mix. There are plenty of fuzz flavors out there that are also great, as you said (; you’re very much served by them as well

[@serwy06]

Cara você é BR? Seu inglês tá muito bom. Só fui me tocar do sotaque no meio do vídeo e depois eu confirmei com a camisa da unesp kkkk Me amarro em My bloody valentine, dinosaur, sonic youth. Tenho uma jaguar japonesa aqui com matching headstock e uma carambada de Big muffs. Por acaso eu tô com uma oportunidade de pegar um hm2 japan. Fui ver umas reviews no yt e parei no seu vídeo. Legal demais!

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Fala Daniel! Sou br sim, de São Paulo kkkkkkkkkkkk a camiseta da Unesp não engana né? Obrigado mano! Os vídeos tem sido uma boa oportunidade de testar kkkkkk. Essas bandas são as influências que me construíram como músico! Que setup hein? Adorei! O hm-2 é um excelente pedal mano, recomendo muito se você quer tocar Shoegaze, rock alternativo, é um pedal muito versátil, eu uso direto na produção aqui em casa e no estúdio. Obrigado por comentar meu querido!

[@Grindordont]

Nice

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thanks bro (; I love Duster by the way

[@Grindordont]

@@manualofalternativemusic dusters the best lmao, plus the guitar tones are so good

[@Grindordont]

@@manualofalternativemusic I can slightly get the lo-fi sound with my Jazzmaster’s bridge pickup and my blues driver pedal but what else would you suggest?

[@manualofalternativemusic]

They’re awesome yeah!! Been listening on repeat to the self titled, Summer War is SUCH A SICK TUNE, I absolutely love it. I intend to make a video on duster yet (: their gear is just as mysterious as the band itself. I think you’re doing pretty well with the jazz master and the BD-2! that’s definitely a great way to do it, I’ve been testing my Boss SD-2 too, it’s lofi low gain od gets close to their sound with my Jaguar. I tried boosting the SD-2 with my DOD booster reissue and it’s similar, but I’m still working on it. Their sound is so interesting right?

[@Grindordont]

@@manualofalternativemusic yeah I dunno if it’s something to do with recording on tape that you can’t emulate live but their tone is always so warm

[@nana6597]

Falar a real, gosto de shoegaze mas não entendo nada de música. Cliquei no vídeo e vi ele todo. Não entendi muito bem mas fiquei feliz hsuhshhs

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Se você ficou feliz, já valeu a pena ter postado o vídeo. Muito obrigado pelo comentário Ana! Shoegaze é uma paixão minha desde sempre hehehe (;

[@the-np4mr]

David gilmour used the hm2 in the 80s too lol

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Yeah indeed! 😅 it’s such a versatile pedal to pair up with reverb and delay

[@davileon01]

Omg... You're brazillian. Parabéns mano lol hahahaha

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Valeu Davi! We’re together - Tamo junto KKKKKKKKKK muito obrigado meu querido ❤️ queria muito produzir vídeos em português também, até tentei :/ mas tava difícil conseguir público, infelizmente, porque a cena shoegaze e alternativa no Brasil é enorme e linda! Quem sabe mais pra frente eu volto..

[@hadeseye2297]

Thanks to your video I now know why people love My Bloody Valentine. They have SSF - Sea Sickness Fetish. xD They music makes me feel like few decades ago, when I was on a Bloody Lame Ferry. The sensations I was getting were exactly the same. "I think I'm gonna.. BLUUUURP! Oh, sht. BLUUUURP. What the hell was that? I don;t remember eating it. BLUUUUUUURP!." xD I will chech the band more. There are times when human being goes masochist mode.

[@manualofalternativemusic]

wow thanks 🥹

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

Whether for shoegaze or for metal, an HM-2 is an HM-2 is an HM-2.

[@manualofalternativemusic]

I agree I agree I agree (:

[@darkforest33]

japanese was warmer and more unpredictable, cool utterings

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thanks Billy (:

[@TheMetaidea]

I loved the cringe moment, thanks for this bro

[@manualofalternativemusic]

I’m glad you liked it! I had a hard time deciding wether or not to include it lol 😅 Thanks for stopping by (:

[@Flibbybibby]

She didn't play on the albums at all. Only Kevin did. She use HM2 Live.

[@manualofalternativemusic]

I've read that she did record some guitar parts for Loveless and wrote riffs for the album - even though Shields recorded most of them - along with singing about a third of the lyrics. I was told that she would advice Kevin on how to record her parts if she didn't like it. She did record guitars for all albums before Loveless along with Kevin since she joined the band as far as I'm aware of.. \: sorry if I'm wrong though, but I honestly think she did.

[@blakemcnamara9105]

I say the Japanese one sounds more accurate.

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Yeah I think it might sound closer to the earlier mbv sound (:

[@jamesbond-mb5ws]

said by adam moulder.,bilinda did not record any guitar...just voice...it's all kevin shields...even kevin play the bass in that record.,sory kid....

[@manualofalternativemusic]

Thanks for the info and your comment. Could you please provide me a link or a source of some sort so I can make a fixed comment about it? And what’s the need for “kid”? I’m sorry I was misinformed about it bro 😅 come on