What I love about the Demon Of Hatred is that after beating you out of the dodge system so hard with the chained ogre, you are put back into that souls style at the very end when at that point you have mastered parry system by that point... regardless of how i feel about the fight, I just love how delightfully evil the game was with pulling the rug from under you
@leonardogang4871 Жыл бұрын
That’s actually what I hate about it the most. The boss just feels jank although in fairness I’m not a big fan of the traditional souls combat
@SJ-di5zu Жыл бұрын
I just think the health pool is incredibly tedious to deal with. Three health bars and each health bar feels about the length of two Isshin health bars. I have to spam R1 like 15 times to get 1/8 of the health bar down. It’s so unsatisfying and spongey. Meanwhile his fire attacks are not deflectable, he has ranged attacks with strict hitboxes, and runs away from you every 5 seconds. Charge attack is so weird since you have to jump out of the way. I get the appeal and I love the music, but god it’s such a chore to fight.
@GigaDonk99 Жыл бұрын
You can parry the demon’s physical attacks tho. You ain’t doin it right if you’re tryna dodge its feet, make sure you parry all of that shit, every little kick.
@kinggamereon653 Жыл бұрын
@@SJ-di5zu the worst part? if you're below him you don't even engage with the fire attacks a lot, just mindless slashing and avoid getting greedy to take dumb hits
@TheSuicune7 Жыл бұрын
Chained Ogre has me doing a hit and run more often than parrying. I’ve noticed some bosses are better with a hit and run strategy. Blazing Bull, Chained Ogre, Both Guardian Ape fights, and yes, Demon of Hatred. Even other bosses like Lady Butterfly and Sword Saint Isshin have proved to be easier to mix up hit and run with locking horns and changing between the two fighting styles. Ill defend these bosses, even if I’m the only one who will lmao😊
@randokalunn8647 Жыл бұрын
Inner Father Owl is even better because of the mist raven combos he can perform. He's probably in my top 3 favorite fromsoft bosses of all time.
@Duality333 Жыл бұрын
I fuckin hated him but it is a pretty cool fight
@nickchase3670 Жыл бұрын
Demon of Hatred below the ape duo is just criminal. He is so different from every other boss but when the boss finally clicked for me it became my 2nd favorite fight after Isshin
@michaelmcdoesntexist. Жыл бұрын
7:10 this is the first time I've heard someone hate the Corrupted Monk second phase. I always thought the branch deathblow was really easy.
@JohnSmith-hk8qp8 ай бұрын
It is
@rizz.0.2 ай бұрын
11:48 they added a new mechanic? Mariki counter💀
@scrimmybingus9279 Жыл бұрын
LETS GOOO! Very glad you guys did a Sekiro ranking after all and came around to this game :)
@goroakechi6126 Жыл бұрын
Admittedly, I started playing the game a week or two back, and it was a shame seeing Gyobu so low. I feel like the timing of his attacks has enough variation to keep you on your toes, while never being too fast to keep up with. Still, can’t wait to finish it so that I can see how opinions differ. Also, Malenia is an excellent boss ruined by one mechanic. Lower the speed of waterfowl, and she’s the best boss in the game.
@brianvillatoro6588 Жыл бұрын
True, I love Gyobu, but the boss quality skyrockets after Corrupted Monk/Guardian Ape so it makes not like he isn't fun to fight
@Meatyrex Жыл бұрын
Have not played the game yet but it seems fun. happy to see you guys doing souls videos again. Keep up the good work my guys.
@cartersmith8904 Жыл бұрын
Besides the Demon of Hatred, Divine Dragon, and especially True Monk placement, this list was very similar to my own. Also if you want to beat Demon of Hatred, use the umbrella, pretty simple
@Gorlami90 Жыл бұрын
Inner geni isn’t difficult but man it’s the most fun back and forth sword fighting in the game. My favorite is inner isshin though with that mid air deflect is so sick
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
inner geni is the only inner boss i’ve beaten, but i have unsuccessfully fought inner isshin a few times and he was awesome
@Duality333 Жыл бұрын
Inner Glock saint is my favorite too. Thank god for the boss re fight option. I love fighting him or geni
@Duality333 Жыл бұрын
Inner owl though kicked my ass for literal days before I finally got him. Owl was always hard for me though either way. His fight on NG+7 charmless and bell toll makes me want to blow my brains out onto the controller.
@ElixrfyWrld Жыл бұрын
bro i love you're guys content, i just recently discovered the channel but you guys only being juniors in highschool and being this relatable is dank as hell, the commentary and boss ranking for souls games is top notch!!
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
we’re actually rising sophmores in college now, time really flies! But yeah, we did start it then. Pretty awesome how its been turning out. 👊🏻
@ElixrfyWrld Жыл бұрын
@@Cytonox nothing but love and support I must have been watching an older video😅 the DS3 rankings was a couple years ago. honestly can't wait to see another elden ring ranking whenever dlc comes out just wish the best for you guys:) I will definitely be anxious about more content and seeing where KZbin takes you guys down the line🙏🙏
@kartikayysola Жыл бұрын
Nice to see Guardian Ape get some love! Btw, if you have the loaded spear prosthetic, you can use it on him when you stun him after deflecting the huge slam to pull out the centipede for extra posture damage.
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
woah, thats awesome. never knew that!
@demondude665 Жыл бұрын
No matter how much time passes, I can always count on you guys to have awful opinions. Never change
@dabestgames4047 Жыл бұрын
100% agree
@MattDean-o1t4 ай бұрын
Agreed
@crow1460 Жыл бұрын
Great video, Sekiro is one of my favourite FromSoft titles for sure and i'm glad you're finally talking about it. My ranking: 16| Guardian Ape (Duo) 15| Folding Screen Monkeys 14| Corrupted Monk 13| Divine Dragon 12| Demon of Hatred 11| Genichiro, Way of Tomoe 10| Gyoubu Oniwa 9| True Corrupted Monk 8| Emma, the Gentle Blade 7| Lady Butterfly 6| Guardian Ape 5| Great Shinobi - Owl 4| Isshin Ashina 3| Genichiro Ashina/Genichiro, Way of Tomoe 2| Owl (Father) 1| Isshin, the Sword Saint
@Gorlami90 Жыл бұрын
What about the inner bosses? They’re better versions of themselves
@nootnewt7769 Жыл бұрын
I’m legitimately surprised that you didn’t mention the opening for gyoubu, which is like the only thing people talk about when they talk about gyoubu
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
really? what about the intro? he just like comes in
@nootnewt7769 Жыл бұрын
@@Cytonox have you played through with the English translation, cuz if not, then I see why you didn’t have anything to say about the intro, but god damn the English VA for him does an amazing job
@BiTreeFrog Жыл бұрын
@@nootnewt7769 true it is amazing
@MrBnjjackson Жыл бұрын
Once, and only once, I broke the demon's posture bar. And it was on the 2nd phase. I lost in the 3rd phase just by a hair. 11/10
@cirnobyl9158 Жыл бұрын
I actually like Demon of Hatred fight. Don't run from him, don't discard all the lessons you learned throughout the game. Stand your ground and PARRY. Every once in a while you uses a fire attack, which you should umbrella for. Everything else is parryable.
@liquiddrone650 Жыл бұрын
Interesting list! Good video. The True monk one is straight up salt though 😂
@FromTheWombTotheGrave Жыл бұрын
Watching vids from 1 year ago to now one of the guys voice got even deeper than it already was holy shit
@No-kw9wu Жыл бұрын
Pretty solid list to me
@rpgfan1187 Жыл бұрын
Great video, Guys! Sekiro is my second favorite FromSoft game after Bloodborne, and it's awesome to see your ranking of the bosses. Funnily enough, my experiences with the Sword Saint and Malenia are practically the opposite of Jack's. I managed to beat Malenia on my second attempt, but the Sword Saint took me 3 hours to defeat. Here's my ranking: 1. Genichiro Ashina 2. Isshin, the Sword Saint 3. Owl (Father) 4. Guardian Ape 5. True Corrupted Monk 6. Great Shinobi Owl 7. Gyoubu Masataka Oniwa 8. Isshin Ashina 9. Divine Dragon 10. Lady Butterfly 11. Emma, the Gentle Blade 12. False Corrupted Monk 13. Genichiro, Way of Tomoe 14. Folding-Screen Monkeys 15. Headless Ape 16. Demon of Hatred Anyway, I'm enjoying your content as always and look forward to your future uploads!
@BiTreeFrog Жыл бұрын
have you fought inner genichiro he is easily the best boss in the game for me even better than sword saint and inner isshin
@rpgfan1187 Жыл бұрын
@@BiTreeFrog No, I never fought the Inner Bosses. I played the game before they were added.
@samuraigames4125 Жыл бұрын
I don't love the demon of hatred but I really didn't expect that low
@deepcownewnosh Жыл бұрын
My Ranking: 1. Owl Father 2. Isshin, The Sword Saint 3. Demon Of Hatred 4. Genichiro Ashina 5. Divine Dragon 6. Guardian Ape 7. Gyoubu Oniwa 8. Great Shinobi Owl 9. True Monk 10. Isshin Ashina 11. Emma, The Gentle Blade 12. Corrupted Monk 13. Folding Screen Monkeys 14. Lady Butterfly 15. Headless Ape
@Bobbob23290 Жыл бұрын
Ain’t no way lady butter fly below folding scream monkeys
@skittlefish2871 Жыл бұрын
Wassup Bros, Sekiro is an awesome game and seeing you finally do a vid on it is great hows it goin?
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
It's good
@jinh60510 ай бұрын
i actually don't think demon of hatred is a case of git gud as much as you were playing the boss wrong. demon of hatred is all about finding exploitable responses to his heavily telegraphed attacks. quickly you'll find his dive bomb explosion move to be super valuable to respond. and know that locking yourself into an attack animation will leave you vulnerable to his dash attack. i think his five hit combo being dodgeable at the end is super unique and promotes a really cool playstyle. i think revisiting the game, demon of hatred is the only fight that demands you mix deflection with dodging, but the other fights reward you for that. this is a suitable thing for an end game optional boss to be in my opinion. its not suppose to be like the other bosses, because once you learn to beat it you'll realize it opens up a way more interesting dodging + deflection playstyle that you can reincorporate. i hated the boss at first too, but now i can recognize even if it isn't my favorite its a really well designed fight.
@someguythatdoesstuff7658 Жыл бұрын
Sekiro is my favorite game in the FromSoft catalog because it has, in my opinion, the best bosses and combat. Boss Rankings: 12. Guardan Ape Duo - Gank fights suck. 11. Great Shinobi Owl - He's kinda slow and keeps jumping instead of continuing with the constant swordplay reminiscent of Sword Saint's fight. 10. Divine Dragon - Aesthetically a 10/10, but she's too easy. However, the dragon has one of my favorite combos ever and it happens in the beginning of its 2nd phase when the music changes. 9. Isshin Ashina - I have the same complaints I have with Genichiro for this boss, but slightly worse. The hit-hit-deflect-hit-hit cycle in the first phase is way too boring and repetative, and his second phase has really cool gimmicks but sacrifices complex swordplay with avoiding simple fire attacks which I find to be less enjoyable and engaging. 8. Guardian Ape - The fight is a bit too slow and simple for me when compared to fast, complex, and expansive movesets of Lady Butterfly, Sword Saint, and Owl Father. I also missed it when Posture was a priority as opposed to health, but they switched that which is a shame because Posture gives me an incentive to actually perfect deflect. 7. Genichiro - This battle aged poorly to me. He used to be my favorite because of how fast he is, but the hit-hit-deflect-hit-hit cycle of the fight got way too repetative and simple. God-tier pacing, but too simple. 6. Emma The Gentle Blade - I love her attack paterns. I prefer to only deflect her since it's fun to figure out which attacks she'll pull out if I don't interrupt her. 5. Demon of Hatred - Forces you to be creative and is super satisfying to figure out. I disagree with the consensus that he's a "Souls Boss" since dodging sucks in Sekiro. I feel that jumping, deflecting, or using the umbrella is much much better at adjusting to his attacks. He also has my favorite arena. 4. Sword Saint - Has one of the most fun and complex movesets. That 2nd phase is one of my favorites ever. He uses THREE weapons and you have to determine what weapon he'll use and how you'll have to adjust to them. I also think it's cool that he's one of the few bosses in the FromSoftware catalog that are actually in their prime, making them all the more satisfying to defeat. 3. Lady Butterfly - The most fun boss to do a Deflect-only fight. She goes ape shit if you don't slash and she wil just keep attacking repeatedly and relentlessly, so only deflectng is fun as hell. When a combo ends, a new one starts near instantly. For this reason, this is why I only deflect her, so that I don't interrupt cool combos. 2. Corrupted Monk - Remember what I said about Lady Butterfly being the most fun "Deflect-only" boss... Well, I change my mind. I don't need words to explain the Godly rythm of this fight: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoOtmYeLZ8tqrac 1. Inner / Owl Father - The most fun boss EVER. He is fun to fight both aggressively and passively. He has the most satisfying combos to deflect from his running combo to his Mist Raven combo.
@BiTreeFrog Жыл бұрын
I think people dislike demon of hatred because he does feel like a bloodborne boss in sekiro a game without dodges for the most part I personally do find him very enjoyable also the two genichiros are occupying spaces in my top five spots inner being my absolute favorite boss and normal genichiro is my top four just below sword saint and Isshin ashina
@aarontruong354 Жыл бұрын
Really happy you guys gave this game another chance. Not that it's my favorite, but it just didn't feel right that this was the only modern From Soft game to not get covered on the channel. I don't necessarily disagree with too many of the placements here, although I swear that attack the Corrupted Monk has that you say is unblockable actually can be deflected with weird timing, but I haven't played it in a while
@BiTreeFrog Жыл бұрын
I don't think its timing I think it might be spacing because I swear i have deflected it multiple times
@Salty-Josh Жыл бұрын
Hey Cytonox. Quiek question have you guys ever thought of ranking every boss from the Devil May Cry series?
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
Yep, we definitely will cover that series eventually! I’ve actually got footage of l’ve the games except 5 already recorded, and we have a fully scripted dmc1 video document sitting around
@Salty-Josh Жыл бұрын
@@Cytonox nice can't wait for it😁
@Vader255 Жыл бұрын
I mostly used the umbrella and fire gourd to counter him but even with that he was still very cancerous
@codymacdermid8225 Жыл бұрын
Cy is just Rusty. It all makes sense now
@MedinaGaming Жыл бұрын
Demon of Hatred is way too low. It's an incredibly designed fight, and is balanced well as an endgame superboss.
@crow1460 Жыл бұрын
It just doesn't fit in this game and has way too much health.
@weirdalexander8193 Жыл бұрын
One reviewer here gave it bottom tier, the other gave it 7th of 14, then let the first vent. Seems pretty divisive. BTW, score wise, worst is the ape duo.
@huffindoback3776 Жыл бұрын
DOH blows
@MrFox101 Жыл бұрын
It's the worst boss in the game. Poorly designed fight and very unbalanced.
@brianvillatoro6588 Жыл бұрын
Not unbalanced, tedious yes, but very fun to see that heath drop and mastering the moves to counter
@thebass4511 Жыл бұрын
Sekiro is by far my favorite souls game
@briangingull96413 ай бұрын
The idea the demon of hatred belongs in Bloodborne has always been comical. He's designed to be fought by someone who can sprint endlessly and who can deflect and block continuous rapid attacks as well as dodging. Would be impossible if he was in Bloodborne. He is visually reminiscent of the beast bosses, that is all.
@t33thagrt11 Жыл бұрын
The hardest boss in sekiro is power outage one minute you're mikiri countering and high monking long shadows then instead of death and the option to resurrect I'm faced with HDMI 2:No Signal the biggest hurt ever😢
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
im sorry that happened to you Zamasu
@99CrashBandicoot Жыл бұрын
A bit strange to have Demon of Hatred ranked lower than a boss that's just a copy-paste in a small arena, but other than that, a solid list! :D
@doolenny9458 Жыл бұрын
Yeah demon of hatred is WAY to low on the list imo
@99CrashBandicoot Жыл бұрын
@@doolenny9458 Yeah, I’d even argue it’s better than the monks, Oniwa, Lady Butterfly. Finally there’s a boss where you can use all of the tools you’re handed during the game. Great lore also
@doolenny9458 Жыл бұрын
@@99CrashBandicoot yeah imo they are in the top 5 bosses in the game I like the way he makes fun of souls fans for saying git gud which is 90 percent a joke While he cheeses a boss because he finds it to hard
@99CrashBandicoot Жыл бұрын
@@doolenny9458 True! :D Also, Demon of Hatred is supposed to be really hard. It terrorizes the entire population and kills literally everything. So it makes sense that it's not easy to kill it.
@PhilP898010 ай бұрын
Incredible awesome great game and I love it!
@Kaleb._7 ай бұрын
I disagree with only one thing on this list. That would be for me to switch True Corrupted Monk and Guardian Ape. The only reason I don't like Guardian Ape is because of that first phase. The second phase is amazing but that first phase ruins the fight for me. So if those two were swapped I would agree with the entire list.
@travisbickle3835 Жыл бұрын
imo you are absoluletly wrong on Demon of Hatred. It's like my 3rd fav boss in this game.
@BiTreeFrog Жыл бұрын
Demon of hatred is not my favorite but still you are right they really did him dirty in this video he is a good boss
@Aidanrvb09 Жыл бұрын
I think you forgot Emma, Gentle Blade. Let me know if I missed it in the vid
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
She’s counted as a phase of the Isshin Ashina fight, the same way Genichiro way of tomoe is for the sword saint
@Aidanrvb09 Жыл бұрын
@@Cytonoxgotcha
@TheZombieburner Жыл бұрын
"Gentle" Lol, the game is just lying at that point. Sekiro in my save file still has a few slipped discs from those wrestling moves.
@chapfathead2575 Жыл бұрын
Good video but (isshin the sword saint. deserves to be number one)
@stormtrooper5947 Жыл бұрын
Can you do "South Park : the stick of truth boss fights, worst to best" ?
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, that actually came up as a suggestion on patreon last month! I played the game when it came out and was a big fan, so that’s not out of the question by any means. If you check out our patreon you can find ways to ensure we cover it though!
@stormtrooper5947 Жыл бұрын
@@Cytonox Who answered my comment, was it Jack or Alex ?
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
alex
@Goofy476 Жыл бұрын
I always thought the demon of hatred was fun, if not a bit of a drag in phase 3
@Goofy476 Жыл бұрын
The best boss is always gonna be one of the inner 3, tho
@t33thagrt11 Жыл бұрын
Demon of hatred was my hardest for sure now I be wiping his big ass out ....funny though cause isshin was my second now he's my first Folding screen monkeys 1x Divine dragon 1x False monk 1x Inner genichiro 1x Owl atop ashina 2x Emma 4x Gyoubu 6x (1st playthrough) Headless ape 7x True monk10x Isshin the old geezer😅 10x Lady butterfly 18x Genichiro 1st fight 22x ( post prosthetic arm) Guardian ape 27x Owl father 33x Isshin that heart attack lieing dormant waiting to happen( sword saint) 200x😮.... Jk😂53x Demon of hatred 😢😔I lost count with this one 😂 What's your list :
@ydid687 Жыл бұрын
as for the "wit" less is more, its grating and tryhardy otherwise, besides that good video, new subscriber
@kinggamereon653 Жыл бұрын
I don't really like the demon honestly I expected it to be hard in terms of the attacks being hard to deal with individually but honestly you can avoid like half of the attacks by standing below him to hit him in the nuts and the rest are boring stomps and none feel mechanically interesting to avoid the demon just has so much hp that getting greedy causes me to get hit once in a while
@nicholasdismukes6741 Жыл бұрын
Magazine not clip. I hate being that guy but your content is good so I just want to help
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
we would have known this if only charlie and sneako started beefing a month earlier….alas!
@wont0repeat446 Жыл бұрын
Melania is not a shit boss She has a shitty move but overall shes amazing like all the other main bosses of eldin ring
@spencerb891 Жыл бұрын
I thought true monk was one of the best, top 5
@dabestgames4047 Жыл бұрын
Miriki counter💀💀
@bernanners01 Жыл бұрын
Bruh corrupted monk 11?? That’s too 5 easy
@jerrymorey6805 Жыл бұрын
It’s MIKIRI counter!!!!😆😆
@alvins9796 Жыл бұрын
Never rate again🔥
@BiTreeFrog Жыл бұрын
Demon of Hatred isn't the best boss, but it isn't bad in any way in fact I enjoy it a lot and is definitely better than gyubu, headless ape and friend, and for me folding screen monkeys I also don't like owl at all I find that him using anti heal orbs just makes the fight last longer than it should and also is just not fun thats why I prefer father owl, but still my favorite my top five bosses are 1 Inner Genichiro you said that the inner bosses aren't different enough I completely dissagree especially with inner Geni, 2 sword saint, 3 Isshin Ashina, 4 normal Genichiro, 5 owl father even though I heavily disagree with you on many points still good video and keep up the good content
@dinb_dinb Жыл бұрын
Instant like for putting doh on the last place. Tedious, punishing and inconsistent boss which is indeed plays like he is from the souls games. Even with umbrella this fight is dogshit and a massive drop of quality compared to the rest of sekiro bosses.
@fearlessnoob47 Жыл бұрын
Guy had to cheese demon. Why even rank it then? If you haven't fought the boss/understood the rythym what are you even judging the boss on? That he was difficult so you cheese? Terrible. Would've been better off not ranking at all with a disclaimer that you cheese'd the boss and left it at that.
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
This channel is two of us, and the gameplay is ours. For the record I (alex) am able to bitch this fight first try every time lol. Jack is still able to fight it he just finds it annoying. If you’ve played a fight what difference does it make
@fearlessnoob47 Жыл бұрын
@@Cytonox oh. You guys failed to mention you cheese'd him after beating him. The difference being you can't really review a car till you've driven it. Can't really rate a boss till you've fought him (in the intended way at least)
@Cytonox Жыл бұрын
@@fearlessnoob47 Yeah, I mean personally I think the Demon of Hatred is pretty cool but when we were averaging the rankings between us there was basically no way to do it without dumping him at the bottom so he got kinda screwed lol
@fearlessnoob47 Жыл бұрын
@@Cytonox my guy you think the bull is better than the demon? Think about it. But I digress, the video is your personal opinion. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. Nice work.
@memecat2000 Жыл бұрын
my guy cheeses boss fights and thinks he gets the right to an opinion 💀💀💀
@memecat2000 Жыл бұрын
annoying asf when someone fully maces out their character and then brags about easily killing bosses. 10 tries mid game gear isshin is more impressive than 2 tries end game gear. and no im not comparing myself