The Bounce-Off - Why Don't I Like This?

[@PostMesmeric]

I feel the same way about bouncing off Outer Wilds and it really does break my heart knowing that, but after watching this video, I think the whole picture is much clearer for me. I'm happy you enjoyed my Dark Souls video and being able to influence content of this quality is an honor I wholeheartedly cherish. Thank you for the videos, Alec.

[@VZed]

Right back at ya buddy! Thanks for the inspiration and please, keep doing what you do!

[@SimpleBean]

As always you’ve given me so much to think about. Especially the “what if I miss out on something I might like now because I may not encounter it until later?” thought 🧐

[@VZed]

I'm all too happy to provide a place where people can dwell on the idea of potential going from promising to terrifying.

[@FilhodeGled]

I guess this is a common occurrence. I used to like nearly everything game-related too back when I was in high school. I loved trying new games and the challenges that came with them (gameplay-wise or even techinical-wise). But, after college and my first job, things got gray, as you stated. I didn't want to accept the simple fact that I was not as tolerant with the medium anymore, that now I had less time to experiment and engage with new things, and that every obstacle seemed to be more than enough to bounce me off from things I used to enjoy. It took me a long time (filled with frustration, as these things usually goes) for me to realize what exactly was happening to me. I was just... changing. And my tastes were just doing the same. Accepting that was not easy, but it helped me realize that as much as this seems like an ultimatum, it isn't. You are just changing and that comes with the cost of losing interest in some things, but also means you are acquiring new interests. We just have to learn to accept the fact that we will continue to change, that we just need to let ourselves engage with the things that we are currently enjoying instead of trying to go against the flow, because is that possibility of enjoying new things that will help us to see the world in different ways. And that's the silver lining in all of this: you're not becoming less. You're becoming more. Thanks for the video, Zed.

[@VZed]

This captures what I was going for in a really good way. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Hoping we can all stay excited for how these kinds of things change for us going forward.

[@knowdudegamingshow2962]

Hollow Knight only really worked for me the first go around. I've tried to enjoy subsequent playthroughs, but they've just never hit the same, and I always find myself bouncing off. I think the game's austerity - the very reason why I enjoyed it in the first place - is what repels me from playing it again.

[@tabeatamm3594]

Hollow Knight is in my Top 3 favourite games, but there was a point when I was about halfway through the game I almost bounced off of it, because I was getting loat and didn't know what to do next. I watched a worldbuilding video about the game and realized I was actually on the right track, which made me got back.

[@VZed]

Yeah, the game is fascinating from the outside, but the experience itself is what turns me away. Something I didn't get into in the video is that occasionally a game that I straight up didn't like at first will pop into my head years later and suddenly it's the only thing I want to do for a while, like I just needed to process it long enough to find the angle I need to enjoy it. That hasn't really happened with Hollow Knight yet (though, I could probably argue that making this video was a result of that happening) and honestly, with two failed attempts at the game I'm not sure it's for me, but like I said... I'd be more than fine watching someone stream this, or take me through it in a let's play. It's a good game, just not for me I suppose.

[@kyotow7388]

I bound off of games and other media very easily, sometimes I can’t even remember why. Many games I love now have been given 2-3 tries before actually making me engaged

[@RedPandaSmash]

I bounced off hollow knight at first for the same reason. I love the game now, but my first time, dying just made me want to quit the game, so I did. Honestly, even now, I think the death/corpse run system is only a detriment to hollow knight, punishing new or lower-level players with zero benefit to anyone. My first impressions of the atmosphere were also that it was dull, and not in the intentional wondrous way. I even thought the music felt pretty generic.

[@Twila27]

Fantastic video, I think last year I worked through a similar headspace albeit expressed as "why do I have so many fewer all-time favorite games today than I had as a teen?" with answers that resonated big-time to your journeying in this video. Thank you for making this!

[@VZed]

Thanks. I haven't gotten to "fewer all-time favourite"s yet but I think that's a good way of describing the anxiety that kicked off this video.

[@henriquefernandes6746]

i had bounce-off dark souls, hollow knight, outer wilds and Nier automata, now, these games are literally my reference of what a great game should aim for to be. ALL of then are im my top 10 now. Sometimes, is just about timing. Like, when i booted up dark souls, i was to much of a casual gamer, and the YOU DIED screen felt to bitter. And when i downloaded outer wilds, i was at the time playing to much competitive games, so i was seeking things with a little more... adrenaline i guess. Your mood affects your preferences too, and i gave more second chances to more things (and more people) after i notice that, and oh boi, i glad i did that. JUST REMEMBER, your tastes aren't set in stone, that is what i have learned.

[@TheGuineaHog]

This video strikes a chord with me. I had the same exact experience with Banjo Kazooie and many collect-a-thon type games. For the majority of my life they were among my best game experiences, but playing them now, even old favorites, leaves me impatient. However, at the same time I've been getting super into game genres nowadays I never would have considered back then. I feel disappointed I won't be able to enjoy certain games as much as I could have as a kid. Like it's too late and I missed out. But then I realize how my taste shifted and broadened my range of the types of games I never thought I would enjoy. I don't feel as disappointed because my enjoyment has widened as much as it narrowed in directions I didn't expect. And sometimes being surprised by how much you like a game is a better experience than going into a game knowing you'll enjoy it.

[@rashkavar]

Fascinating video. And as much as it seems odd for people to dislike certain well liked games in a genre they like, it's definitely a thing that happens. The fact that people put effort into making a piece of art, be that a book, a game, music, etc, and a group of other people liked it does nothing to invalidate the fact that you don't like a thing. Banjo Kazooie is not DK64, you don't have to like it. Hollow Knight is not Metroid, or Bloodstained, or any other Metroidvania. Though I will admit, I'm curious about your experiences with Subnautica. Subnautica is one of those games that draws me in time and time again, and furthermore every time I've seen someone stream it' they've had the same experience I had on my first playthrough: getting drawn in despite any flaws. Hell, one guy I watched play through it had thalassophobia and, by the end of it, was mulling over the idea of taking swimming lessons. Not everyone will finish the game - it's an open world, that's the nature of those games, but everyone I've talked to about it who had actually played it enjoyed the game. None of this invalidates your not liking the game. But it does make me curious as to what turned you off it.

[@VZed]

So, Subnautica is probably the most interesting inclusion on that list for me, because I did "bounce off" of it so to speak, but it was after about 16 hours of playing. Cause I actually really like playing the game, but... I am notably thalassaphoic myself. It's a selective phobia, I'm a strong swimmer, i'm fine in pools and such, and was close to certifying and taking a job as a lifeguard for a while, but I get really stressed out in large natural bodies of water. All of that said, I am FASCINATED by seafaring adventures, I love the IDEA of being around or on the ocean, maybe because being perched on the edge of a fear is exciting. So, Subnautica made the list in the video specifically because it was originally going to be the (comedic) 4th bounce off inclusion, for the reason that while I liked the game, it scratched at my phobias enough that it convinced me to leave, which is accurate. Eventually I couldn't take it anymore, so I packed it in. That said... working with the footage of the game in the video (which was really just to get some variety in the visuals) has actually drawn me back, and I have been playing a new Subnautica save basically since the video went live. I'm loving it again, and I'm curious to know if I'll make it further than I did last time.

[@rashkavar]

@@VZed Interesting. Given the phobia issue, I fully understand backing off from it. It's fascinating that the game's allure, which I don't fully understand in general even though I've been called back to play it at least 5 times in the last couple of years, is powerful enough to overcome phobias at least partially. One could make the argument that it's the fact that you're safe on your chair at home, but that doesn't work for all phobias - I have a severe fear of heights in real life that doesn't carry over to games, but I know arachnophobia often makes dealing with spiders in games extremely difficult.

[@culIen]

I haven't had time to sit down and watch this one, and now that I have I'm mad at myself. One of my new favs of yours

[@HeavyEyed]

bro why did u have to give me an existential crisis

[@VZed]

Well... they say write what you know so...

[@wizawhat]

Over the past few years there's something I've been struggling with in regards to how I can enjoy things. The struggle is that, as a content creator, gaming has become a job. A lot of times I play games with the express intention of... I might be able to make a video about this, and thus, I begin recording my gameplay. Part of me really hates that, and its often refreshing to pick up and love a game without those intentions, even if I end up having to replay it to get footage for an idea down the line. However; I think this video helped me realize that there is also something beautiful about that. There are games I've played within the past few years that I never would have played had this habit of my consumption not existed. Many times I begin something new not necessarily to 'have fun' but to study something of note. I even began reading two books for a video that were so engrossing I was unable to put them down after I started... and I never read. Even if the way I engage with media is not the same as I once did, there's something beautiful about the way I do now, and that's okay.

[@VZed]

The way these things come to me, or all of us, really, is so much different now than when I was learning how to appreciate them initially. I don't even know if I'm done figuring that out but I think this is video is my really roundabout way of telling myself to stay curious and not let things fossilize. The playing games as a "job" thing, I think, is basically what pushed me away for those two years I was gone, and I'm now so much more comfortable letting this channel be a method of letting things come to me rather than a place where I put thoughts and feelings because I'm SUPPOSED to.

[@HillsideVids]

I'm with you on Hollow Knight. I was so disappointed by the fact that it wasn't clicking for me, because it's really the type of game I should fall head over heels for. Same for Hyper Light Drifter. Great video as always, man!

[@VZed]

In light of this, I'm trying really hard not to let this turn into "maybe I don't like metroidvanias that much".

[@Skyehoppers]

Damn, the heaviness of this video kinda snuck up on me. Like damn, yeah, I feel ya. I feel I have a nearly opposite but spiritually similar problem...ever since I started writing about games I have forced myself to finish every game I started, no matter what. This has introduced me to some powerful experiences that I might have bounced off of, but also a few kinda miserable ones where it really became a chore to finish the game, and got in the way of playing other, more exciting games. This weird sort of responsibility I feel to finish games if I want to consider myself a critic might also be taking the "me" out of these interactive experiences, which detracts from what makes video games so strong as an art form. Does that even make sense? I'm not sure... I guess my point is just that as someone whose channel is also a manifestation of being awake (beautiful line btw), I get it (Using the clip of the near-empty treasure chest at 27:39 was kinda genius)

[@VZed]

I definitely can relate to what you're talking about above. My first run at KZbin was very similar, and part of the reason I stopped the way I did was because every bit of it felt too forced, and it seemed like the pressure was to pull away from what I really wanted to talk about, and how I wanted to talk about it. I think that pressure's still there, but I've found enough of a comfort zone to work within that this is just how it goes for me now :) (I'm glad someone noticed that clip there)

[@HoneyBat]

Yes! I end up bouncing off a lot of things and tentatively trying again...sometimes it's still not a hit but sometimes I find something amazing that I couldn't appreciate at the time. I did that with The Cat Lady and it's one of my favourite stories ever. But also I feel I missed out on a lot the classic childhood games because I didn't get into gaming till I was in my late teens. Spyro is a classic and I'm just bored by collectathons; I don't have any nostalgia to attach to them and number go up isn't enough when there's not much of a plot but I know so many people adore those games and go back to them every so often for fun or to chill. Same for books. I HATED Northern Lights as a kid, absolutely could not read it, but tried again as an adult and loved it! There's always the fear of missing out but I suppose it's better to think about what treasure you might dig up later, just squirreled away for now. Thanks for making this ^.^

[@VZed]

Oh I definitely find myself kind of craving a game I thought I didn't like much sometimes years later. Revisiting those games sometimes results in something deeper I want to follow further, and sometimes it's a nice trip back to something interesting. I'm glad the indie market is so focused on updating and modernizing all of the old genres that have come and gone over the years because I feel like that might be the best way for me to experience the things I missed over the years, though there's a part of me that really wants to try and dig into the original form and really see how things got started even if I don't really have the time to make that investment.

[@paradoxar]

i wanna add to this that i recently noticed just how much passive media engagement kind of fucks up my mental health - like watching hours of youtube or whatever else every day can genuinely make you numb, less aware of your surroundings, less present. you have less patience, you are tired all the time. i have also wondered why i have such a hard time sticking to a game and playing it through, even though i was so excited when i bought it - my engagement with technology might be part of the problem. especially when you have negative thoughts or work to do it is really easy to gravitate towards this numbing, passive consumation of hours of content. don't know how this applies to you, but ill definitely try cutting that shit out for a while.. good video btw, hope youre doing well! peace

[@WhoIsSirChasm]

It took me five tries before I finally got into Hollow Knight, and all of the first four were because I died in the Crossroads before finding another bench. You start with much too little in that game, even for a title that is meant to provide a sensation of overcoming immense obstacles. Ironically, the main punishment for dying, losing your Geode, becomes less and less of a hindrance as the game continues, because you'll have so much of it you won't really care if it all vanishes. As you hinted at, I hope it's something Silksong can amend. This was an extremely good video, and as someone struggling to find joy out of what I've been consuming in terms of media, it's almost reassuring to know I'm not the only person in this position. I hope we are both able to continue doing alright.

[@VZed]

Yeah, I'm sure Hollow Knight will get a third try from me one day. I'll just have to wait and see I suppose. I think that the joy is always there, it just gets to you differently over time. All the best!

[@longarmsshow]

you're goddamn right you're into wrestling now

[@VZed]

gahd... damn... right!!!

[@iamnoimpact]

awesome video, dude! i think "getting into things" should have absolutely no timeline, and while it's easy to loft the ball of "all things are subjective" is an easy way to say it, i think all things that you find great and interesting and exciting should be forever kept in a capsule in your mind as they were in their purest form. dk64 for example, in your mind, maybe The Game isn't as good as you recall if you played it again, but for certain, those memories and that feeling can never be replaced. The same will happen with wrestling and with every new thing you're getting into. There's a new ground you're discovering in each thing that's getting more and more exciting every time you discover it. there's no shame to being late to the party, just like there's no award for being the first to discover it. glad you're getting into good shit, my man. keep going!!

[@VZed]

Yeah, when I think long enough on this thread I end up finding encouragement and seeing all kinds of new places to go to and explore (both literally and figuratively). I think maybe it's healthy for us to be having this conversation with ourselves as we go through life.

[@QUANTUMJOKER]

A fascinating and very moving analysis. I adore Hollow Knight, and count it among my top ten favourite games, but I openly admit that I nearly bounced off it in disgust in my first playthrough. Like you, I found the controls tight and responsive, the exploration engaging and the environments beautiful and immersive, but the combat was punishing and I just couldn't figure out how to progress beyond a certain point. But I kept at it a little more (and unashamedly read some Wikis), and found a couple of new abilities that opened up whole new areas and made the combat more satisfying and less crushingly difficult. Having overcome this hump, I fell in love with the lore, the vast world, the charming characters and combat that I now see as tough but fair. I also gathered a really effective load-out of charms that appeal to my style of play. I completed the game, and replayed it around a year later; the second playthrough was notably easier, perhaps because I'd developed some instincts for the game. I totally accept that you appreciate Hollow Knight but don't like it very much; the above account is why I personally love this game.

[@samrambo6976]

This was fascinating. Thanks for bringing the topic to my attention. That last part hit a little harder than I thought.

[@mwep415]

22:50 Darkwater is awesome, so I'm going to give the rest of those a listen too!

[@VZed]

well, you're in luck. If all goes well I should have some music stuff in a video coming up hopefully this month.

[@Repsack2]

Thanks for the term "Bounced off", i never thought about it before hearing you bring it up. This video was especially enthralling because those same 3 games are bounces for me too, at least so far. I think you highlighted an important point in that.. All the media stuff we have access to crowds the few hours we have each day to take the time to enjoy things. What if we bounce this much because it really "pays" to be extra picky when all these amazing games, shows, books and so on can reward our time and attention even more? It would be weird if we weren't put off by even slight issues in these grown up years, because as a kid, what in the world else were we to do, if we stopped after being picky about games to the same extend? I bet if i was locked in a frozen wooden cottage out in the wilds somewhere, with little to do, i would definitely engage more with, say, Hollow Knight even if i would still have all the same gripes with that game, as the ones you expressed. Sorry for rambling on. It really is a testament to how engaged i felt with your video though. I'm not sure i have written such a long and expressive youtube comment in a decade!

[@VZed]

Well I'm glad my video could get you thinking! Yeah DK64 really is just one of the N64 games I used to love as a kid that I know "don't hold up" I just used it in this video because I KNOW I still like it, but I'm sure any number of others I was obsessed with back in the day wouldn't have nearly the staying power. I guess media culture these days is an exercise in curation rather than deep understanding and re-appreciation. Those two things can co-exist for sure, but that balance is getting harder and harder to maintain.

[@MODDED7]

This is my favorite video that you've made and you're reconsidered section of the video really hit me. Thank you. I really loved Minecraft growing up and it was a big part of my family's life too but...what if I played it later in life and didn't love it at all? Stuff like that keeps me up at night but I'm happy my family and I created memories cuz those where truly better times.

[@VZed]

Thanks, I'm glad the video spoke to you. I worry about the same thing a lot, and it's always so crushing when you realize an experience is effectively over and you can't go back. As someone who plays a lot of Minecraft though, I find it stays pretty fresh :)

[@QuestingRefuge]

Fantastic video! I've dwelled on these thoughts a lot in recent years. Really resonated with me. And hell yes to Ocean at the End of the Lane and being excited about things

[@VZed]

Guess I should actually read Ocean at the End of the Lane soon. It was just on top of my to-read pile on my night table, haha.

[@TheAssassin642]

I empathise with your worries man. I really do. Made me tear up

[@AwfulPossum]

I'm glad you're doing alright bud. Where I can't necessarily share the same sentiment, I can definitely empathize with you and how you feel about bouncing off of these games and whether it's because you're a content creator and you are always "in the zone" when experiencing new media or if it's just how your brain works. I'm glad you've sort of figured out how and why you can digest this stuff in a way that's meaningful for you. I feel like there's this weird thing with media nowadays where if you don't like the thing that's popular you feel like you gotta explain *why* almost immediately because of the expected backlash or "WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!" it's something I've had and still have issues with. it got to the point where when I say I love DK64 more than Banjo Kazooie, I have to immediately add the asterisk of "I played DK64 first, I just like it more". I'm rambling now, this was a great video dude! Glad you flipped back on Prey, I love that game

[@VZed]

Yeah I definitely feel what you're saying here. At a certain point, life is short, like what you like, but at another, I try to be able to explain why I do or don't like something beyond just do or don't. it's a balance for sure. In the end it's all just different angles of the process.

[@aeonixhope8383]

A definitely interesting topic to talk about. Often there are games that I want to play but feel like I won't be able to fully enjoy, but yet I don't want to miss out on the latest craze so I feel compelled to buy the game despite my hesitation. Maybe instead of following trends, people could try and play on their own terms, to find their own magic. I'm glad you're doing alright. Hope you continue to do well.

[@katmathler5776]

Pepper's Ghost!! Good album, and great video!

[@VZed]

Hell Yeah! I've been going through all of Arena lately. Really solid sound!

[@katmathler5776]

@@VZed Very nice! I think my favourite of theirs is still Double Vision, but Pepper's Ghost is still legendary.

[@Jayy997]

With the exception of Hyper Light Drifter which I've finished multiple times, I also bounced off the others. I've tried finishing Prey and Hollow Knight multiple times but just can't. I can respect them as well-designed games but there's just something missing with them to grab me till the end.

[@Arcadology]

This video brought a tear to my eye! Great job man

[@ChillinWithTheCapuchins]

Definitely an interesting topic. Those early 3D collectathon platformers are some of my favorites. DK64, Banjo Kazooie/Tooie, and Rayman 2. But I have to recognize that they all have glaring flaws, I enjoy them because I found them at the right time in my life. I really struggled with Hollow Knight, but because everybody loves it I kept pushing with it and... I beat it and went away hating it. I can fully recognize it was built with love and by all means is a good game, but my experience with it was so frustrating and so unrewarding. It's the only game I've ever gotten to the credits and regretted playing. I think I got there because of a sunk cost falacy. It's not meant to be Ori, but the whole time I was playing I just kept wishing I was playing Ori. I hope you keep finding new things to fully love!

[@VZed]

Ori is another one I have been meaning to go back to one day. As much as I liked it the first time around I didn't love it enough to push through the moments that stopped me up. Maybe it's been long enough, though.

[@ChillinWithTheCapuchins]

@@VZed I hope you can enjoy it! I enjoyed both games. I felt they were both good, but the second one was definitely an improvement over the first. If you haven't given the second game a shot yet then perhaps that one will fix some of the problems you had with the first. Or maybe not =)

[@ACrispyTaco]

Dude this a fantastic video. Really makes me want to revisit some games I wrote off and nervous that I may never get excited for anything ever again lol.

[@Jdice11]

Great video I'm glad you talked about this it really made me reflect on the games I've dropped.

[@labdG]

This is something I've struggled with alot for some time now. There have been games that were pretty much universally praised and people said things like "This is the game of the year." or "Everyone should play this." and I wanted to not miss out. I felt like I haven't really cared about or enjoyed games as much anyomre as I used to so I was looking for something that would amaze me. And yet, when I tried the games I didn't really enjoy it. I thought Nier Automata seemed incredible rom what people said but when I played it I felt like I missed something and I didn't like it (and yes I played to the final ending). I tried Hades because I people said even people who don't play rouge likes could enjoy it. I got bored quickly and I tried for some time thinking that maybe I just need to get further but it never got good for me really. I tried Vampire Survivors that everyone seems to say is incredibly enjoyable and addicting and I found it boring and frustrating. I have heard so much positivity about FF14 and it's story and community that I have tried to get into that game 5 times because I so desperately want that experience but everytime I do it I get so incredibly bored and stop playing. This has made me pretty much not wanting to try even the most praised and loved games. I haven't tried Elden Ring because I'm afraid I'll just not enjoy that either and I don't want to buy more games that I don't enjoy. Recently I tried the game Evil West because I just thought it looked like something I would enjoy but then something about it felt off and I didn't enjoy it either. So now I feel like I don't know what games I enjoy. I can't trust that I'll like the games that everyone else loves and I can't even figure out myselt what I want. It's like I can only enjoy old games I already like. The most recent exception to all this is the game Lost in Random. I just thought it looked kinda fun and cool so I tried it and, despite the game having some flaws, I felt like I was swept away in a fun adventure and enjoyed it so much. I can't tell exactly why. I can tell you all the things I love about the game but I can't say why this game clicked so perfectly with me when so many others didn't. So now I know I can still enjoy new games. I just have no idea anymore how to find them without actually trying them for myself and that just seems too time consuming and expensive. x)

[@VZed]

There are times that I have felt that I am enjoying something basically to make sure I justify the cost to myself either in time or money. There is always the potential that something will come back to me, thinking back on things down the road has sometimes helped them fit into my appreciation in a way that wasn't always apparent at first just like with this video. I definitely think there's too much to take in these days. For every game you play, or movie you watch, or book you read, there's a thousand others you have chosen not to take in it seems and I'm sure it gets defeating when it seems like you've chosen wrong so many times in a row. Obviously, there's no easy answer, no surefire way to guarantee something will generate the correct reaction but I hope a pattern starts to emerge for you, or you find a source of recommendations you can rely on going forward.

[@labdG]

@@VZed Yeah. I guess it's like my pattern had changed and I didn't know what it had changed into yet. But thinking about how I enjoyed Lost in Random reminded me of Alice: Madness Returns and I decided to try that game today. So far I'm having a blast. Maybe creepy fairy tail adventure is my kind of game now. xD

[@BoterBug]

Interesting to consider what I myself have bounced off of, then back to. I'll Sar Recore, but I don't think I considered the game any *better* when I bounced back to it, but it was better with a friend along to commentate on its shortfalls with while recording a let's play series. I sorta bounced off of Prey (and am skipping that portion of the video) but that's because the pandemic interrupted our recording and we haven't been able to resume. Mostly, if I leave a game because it doesn't hit for me, I don't come back. But I experience my own "bounce off" with games I enjoy because I play a single game hard until I get tired of it, leave it for five years, then come back to it for another obsessive run.

[@BoterBug]

As for the second half of the video... some of it is resonating, some I'm pushing back on which means it's probably hitting closer than I like, but I'll have to meditate on what it all actually means for me.

[@VZed]

Well, I'm glad it's resonating at least. Trust me, I pushed back on a lot of it too :S

[@placeholder3853]

Good viddy my guy

[@chuckwood3426]

Hollow Knight is one of my all time favorite games. And thats coming from someone who has gamed since the early nineties! But there is an issue with it for many people. Namely that it requires a lot of dedication. The (extended) end game of Hollow Knight is harder than the end game of Dark Souls and if you dont focus and "git gud" over the course of the game you WILL BOUNCE! Because eventually you will come to a part that is so hard that you cant have fun with it anymore. But it does have an excellent difficulty curve. Also, Hollow Knight starts slow and give you very little options in the early game, so that part of the game is pretty dull tbh. This might have been exacerbated coming from Bloodstained which is very easy and lacks much dept in the combat.

[@Umbra_Witcher]

new hitman trilogy is the goat immersive sim and that came out within the last 10 years. check those games out if you haven't.

[@VZed]

I have heard this from a few sources now. Never tried the Hitman games but... maybe it's time.

[@Umbra_Witcher]

@@VZed you can play everything within 3. it's a bit confusing to get there, but buy 3 and then get the packs for 1&2, and all the upgraded stuff from 3 is applied to 1&2

[@condescendingcanadian9970]

HENLO I SAW THIS ON PATREON BEFORE IT CAME UP

[@VZed]

Wow, you beat the system. Too hard core for me.

[@condescendingcanadian9970]

"what if all this interest was just performative?" I knew it, your just a fake gamer boi trying to get into my pants

[@OG_ZEB]

Alternate title-Man has a existential crisis because he doesn't like Hollow Knight.

[@VZed]

The original title was something along those lines...