The Boyinaband Allegations Have Gotten Seriously Worse..

[@iNabber]

hello everyone, pls like this video and comment beans below the moment you see this. as these videos sometimes get hit in the algorithm due to the sensitive topic :)

[@nerbamas6940]

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[@banjohounds]

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[@ayvah.odonovan]

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[@storm6230]

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[@SilverstreamPJ28]

Age of consent in my country is literally 14 years old. Laws absolutely don't necessarily reflect morality and ethics.

[@pyromaniacalmagpie3198]

Yessss say it louder for the ones in the back

[@AnaBeatrizasmr]

In my country, Brazil, the age of consent is 14 years old too. But It's still a child for god sake!!

[@melissag1976]

And here I thought that the age of consent being 16 here in Canada was bad.

[@liittlemiissd]

An uncomfortable age gap doesn’t equal grooming either. Grooming is a very intentional and very mythotical deep thing where someone sets someone up for sexual abuse later on, dating someone you get on with isn’t necessarily grooming, Hell a 12 year old dating a 40 year old would be gross but grooming is a separate accusation and we should use it in specific situations.

[@SilverstreamPJ28]

@@AnaBeatrizasmr eu sou br fi kkkkk

[@nutmegdoesstuff1339]

Even beyond the fact that the age gap was practically half her age, the fact that they literally met at one of his concerts makes it even more messed up. It might not be inherently illegal, but there's no way for either of those to not be an abusive setup.

[@ChaosArchives667]

Do you know what half is?

[@nutmegdoesstuff1339]

@@ChaosArchives667 Uh that's around two thirds right?

[@yopiyopa4310]

@@ChaosArchives667 she's 14 when they met. He was 20. Age gap : almost 7 years. Practically half her age : 7+7 = 14

[@poemone2257]

@@ChaosArchives667 seems you don't 20 - 14 is 6, 6 is 1 off from 7, 14-7 is 7 Almost half (or practically) of her age which is what op meant

[@Byerly2k20]

Bla bla bla math hurts me 🤕

[@darkpaca]

Looking back I do not understand what the 23-27 year olds saw in me when I was 13-15. Like what the actual fuck did you see in me? If I look at 13-15 year olds now that I'm 24 it just makes me realize how fucked up those situations were back then. I will never understand why people get involved with teenagers like that. Just fucking don't. Disgusting to find these things out about someone I used to enjoy watching content from tbh

[@Smulenify]

According to one of the worst people I have ever met, a 30 year old who only dates 16 year olds "because it's the youngest that is legal", he does it because they're easier to control and "their panties are looser."

[@appalachiabrauchfrau]

I dated a 21 year old when I was a freshman in high school and I ask myself the same thing constantly. He still dates kids under 18 even now, and it's almost 20 years later. Too bad 16 is legal here or I'd blow a whistle on that shit. He had the audacity to post some bs on myspace about "never dating a girl who comes from money again, because their parents will treat you like gutter sludge" no motherfucker, they hated you because you were a grown ass man who told their daughter to keep the relationship a secret til she turned legal.

[@nodiggity8746]

I think 10 years ago it was also different. There was less stigma dating younger people. But I feel the same as you btw

[@nunpho]

@@nodiggity8746 there wasn't less stigma

[@Hersheychocolate12]

@@nunpho I think there was esp in Hollywood and the younger person usually got the shaming rather than the older partner. Not saying ppl still didn’t feel disgusted by it but normalized where ppl felt comfortable to do countdown back in the day until teen celeb turns 18.

[@jaocol]

it's honesty so fucking disappointing how consistent these accusations and situations are when it comes to online creators, you'd expect someone who cares enough to create some form of art would have a somewhat intact moral compass but time and time again it's proven to be false:(

[@TheVoidedRealm]

That the issues of it being online even if they never met or texted anyone they can accuse the same thing.

[@stinker9119]

@@TheVoidedRealm what do u mean?

[@sexygirlmax2019]

@@TheVoidedRealm the amount of false accusations for abusers and stuff is basically negligible. ie such a small percentage of liars/people who abuse the system that exists in every system or infographic

[@evangeline77x]

Creativity -/= morality, innate goodness or humanity.. Those qualities are in no way inherent to eachother and possessing one does not guarantee the other.. Adolf Hitler attended art school and was a classically trained painter, he also loved animals and was a lifelong vegetarian. Yet he is easily one of the top 5 worst people to exist in human history.

[@ithraldharzul6887]

Hot take, with no proof, but anyone who wants attention or power is probs a horrible human. (see pastors caught with prostitutes, priests touching kids, celebs abusing spouses and kids, etc...)

[@Doomie99]

As a 23 year old. I can't even fathom dating someone that young. Even as a 18 year old I couldn't 💀

[@neverneverland5836]

I'm only twenty and already 17/18 year olds seem like babies to me 😭 it's the same when I look at pictures of myself from two years ago, I have no idea how all these influencers think this is appropriate

[@oogaboogass]

Also when I was 18 i didn't even know life honestly i was literally so dumb and influenced so easily 💀

[@AWindy94]

As a 28 year old, I can't even imagine dating someone under 25 😐🙃

[@AleksandarBell]

Yeah like I’m 18 and like any 15/16 year old is just kinda…annoying?

[@liittlemiissd]

@@AWindy94 that’s so absurd what? Lmao.

[@AmagiFaker]

Every time i see “gotten worse” or “even worse than we thought” in an Inabber vid i get worried because every goddamn time it legitimately gets even worse somehow. It’s insane, why can’t people just be normal 😭

[@xxfenyxx]

Not even clickbait 😂😭

[@rottingstarz]

because people fucking suck

[@yuki97kira]

Exactly...it starts as a housefire, but when inabber placed in "gotten worse"..the whole city is now on fire, the cockroaches are starting a revolution somehow

[@ShellyS2060]

I have never thought of myself as normal, but for the love of your diety of choice this is getting STUPID

[@bloodyneptune]

Yeah its always like "oh wow, yeah that actually is way worse than I imagined"

[@spookitheghost]

Bruh... Why can't people act like a normal/decent human being for five god damn minutes. Surely it's not that difficult to treat people with respect and... You know not try date/date a child.

[@lifeasrini]

Seems so simple doesn't it? Shouldn't be too difficult 😖🤦

[@liittlemiissd]

16 isn't a child bro. You cannot disregard a law that states a person is of age to consent to a sexual relationship just because you personally don't agree. Although technically not classified as an adult till 18, from 16 there are many "grown up" things a 16 year old can do. Granted some are with parental consent but many not. "At 16 You can: Get married. Enter into a civil partnership. Consent to lawful sexual intercourse. Leave home without your parents/guardians’ consent. Apply for your own home through your local council. Have access to many more banking facilities, including all adult services, except overdrafts and credit. Buy wine, beer or cider to drink in a restaurant with a meal when a responsible adult is present, but cannot buy it in a bar, off-licence or supermarket. Join a trade union. Drive a moped, small agricultural tractor, or mowing machine. Leave school. If you are 16 between 1 March and 30 September you can leave after 31 May of that year and if you are 16 between 1 October and the last day of February you can leave at the start of the Christmas holidays in that school year. Get a full-time job and pay National Insurance. Choose your own GP. Change your name without the consent of your parent or guardian. Be sent to a young offenders' institution. Be prosecuted in the Justice of the Peace, Sheriff or High Court Stand for election to become a member of a Community Council in certain areas. If adopted, you have the right to access information relating to your birth and adoption. You can obtain your original birth certificate and request a copy of your adoption record and your court record. Find out more on the Citizen's Advice Scotland website. Join the armed forces, but not to train as an officer. You will also need parental consent if you are under the age of 18. You can apply from the age of 15 years 9 months. Be legally responsible for babysitting. Apply for a passport without parental/guardian consent. Consent to medical treatment (if you are under 16 you can also consent to medical treatment if you are capable of understanding the nature and possible consequences of the procedure and treatment). Opt-out of being an organ donor. Earn the National Minimum Wage for 16 and 17 year olds. Work as a waiter or waitress in a hotel or restaurant. Buy Premium Bonds. Get a piercing without parental/guardian consent. Buy a pet - you can own a pet before you’re 16 but you can’t buy one yourself without a parent present until you’re 16. You must pay full fare on trains (unless you have a Young Scot card which gives you up to a 1/2 off train fares!). Vote in a Scottish Parliament election and in a local council election." "Like adults, young people (aged 16 or 17) are presumed to have sufficient capacity to decide on their own medical treatment, unless there's significant evidence to suggest otherwise." If you can leave home, have a full time job, a partner and a child of your own, drink wine in a restaurant, make medical decisions, join the army, change your name etc etc I think your far from a childhood things. I'm sorry but you cannot disregard the rights a person has by law at 16 and 17 just because it suits a narrative, it's patronising to those young people who are more than capable of making many decisions on their own by law.

[@LowQualityIdiot]

@@liittlemiissdmate by law they aren’t even an adult yet, I’m British and it so weird to me that a 16 can consent but you’re still a kid. You’re not an adult and you’re still a relatively young teen. Yeah there is a certain level of maturity in this particular age group but that does change the fact they aren’t an adult BY LAW. Mature =/= adult and you know how the whole “they were mature for their age” argument exists. They are still young and in this situation they were with someone much later in adulthood while she isn’t even there yet.

[@Purpleshade29]

@@liittlemiissd nonce

[@liittlemiissd]

@@LowQualityIdiot loved the part where you ignored everything in my comment, lmao.

[@ForestTheBulbasaur]

Honestly I genuinely can't wrap my head around the fact about this happening.

[@go.touch.some.grass.or.whaaaat]

Riiiight? Like, it's boyinaband. If HE cannot be a fvcking decent person and not a predator then i am loosing hope on all men. Like.... its DAVE FFS ?!?!

[@CantRead1]

Welcome to the internet lmao

[@lifeasrini]

I think everyone I admired before 2017 has been busted at this point ... I'm very concerned about my own judgement 😖

[@anaionescu8913]

Same

[@hayleywarner7941]

@@lifeasrini or maybe KZbin just likes to promote the worst creators and push them towards young audiences. I was a fan of Shane Dawson, onision, boyinaband, and many others that have been ousted. I literally looked up to onision. It's just shocking how KZbin can literally just stand by making millions and be filling young minds with awful ideas and exposing them to the worst of people. Protect your kids yall..

[@erikdaniels0n]

This boyinaband guy seems like a delightful individual. I sure hope he was taught what laws there are

[@kbwolfe9491]

It's a good joke, a great joke even...

[@kodi3284]

PHONE. COUNTER. NOW.

[@PenguinNoodleSoup]

He was never taught what laws there are!

[@AmongusBalls65]

And he was never taught human rights either

[@AEXU_]

I hope he doesn't know how King Henry VIII killed his women

[@hdervish2497]

As someone who was the younger party in an inappropriate relationship, I cansay with certainty that if you're 15/16/17 and someone in their 20s is trying to chat you up, you need to ask yourself why people their own age won't talk to them.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Run fast Run far There is a reason they're going after younger people. And its nothing good

[@lilxxupnext]

as a registered s*x offender i’m a firm believer in “age is just a number.” i think it’s stupid to limit people.

[@beegyoshi4218]

the minute they turn 18 its fine? makes sense as a 30 year old ill make sure to date someone as soon as there 18

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@beegyoshi4218 Youre in your thirties then. So no. Do not. 18 is closer to 20 than 18 is to 30 Power imbalance is too great

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@lilxxupnext troll

[@theannap39]

As a 23 year old, I cannot imagine dating a 16 year old. That’s a whole sophomore in high school. I have completed college and have a career and a 401k. What do we even have in common??

[@Quon]

some ppl arent put together even at 26, no degree, no corporate job, doing youtube makes em feel like they're still kids

[@jadecoolness101]

@@Quon Mate, I don't care how much of a mess you are at 26, you are a fully developed adult with a fully developed brain. You have no business dating an underaged underdeveloped teen. Regardless of how much you FEEL like a kid.

[@Quon]

@@jadecoolness101 i didnt really mean how they feel but how their brain is stuck (i am not sympathizing, just giving a possible reason)

[@jadecoolness101]

@@Quon Fair enough. Just have to specify because you know there's freaks out there

[@theannap39]

@@Quon yeah I guess college feels like a lifetime. it’s extra ick for me because when I was 16 my older sister was 23.

[@nbdjz1058]

tbh i can completely understand why the allegations were posted anonymously. every woman who has come forward with allegations like this has been insanely harrassed and threatened by the fanbase of the (accused) abuser. however, they could have included more evidence maybe

[@EveTheRaviolo]

A lot of people come forward with false allegations too. Being anonimous also takes away all responsibility. I think its important to also remember that.

[@nbdjz1058]

@@EveTheRaviolo only about 3% of allegations are false. why would you make up something like that? for "attention"? aka death threats and harassment? nobody puts themself through that willingly

[@gandalainsley6467]

@@nbdjz1058 10% of allegations are false. Not 3%. Your statistics are from 10 ish years ago. (it was 2% but you were close) Now people do lie for attention and like to play victims. I am not saying that this whole thing is untrue, but I would not be surprised if all of this was made up.

[@jd3769]

yeah- plus, if you publicly come out with allegations against a public figure, people recognize you firstly as a victim of that person, almost as if it's some kind of fucked up aspect of your identity. that kind of thing can overshadow your accomplishments and follow you throughout your career

[@mackaylacook148]

@@jd3769 agreed

[@Sakaratte]

Although the age is 16 here in the UK, there is an exception to that where the age is 18 if a situation where the adult has a position of power over the minor. It would be interesting to know if a lawyer would consider the situation as meeting the criteria of position of power considering this was a fan.

[@Shaneiac_]

A much older content creator dating a young teen fan is 100% a power dynamic... it sucks it’s even legal

[@paigeconnelly4244]

Unfortunately, it wouldn't. The person in power has to be one of authority such as a teacher or career ect. While there is certainly a power dynamic here, it's not as authoritarian as the examples i gave where the person is automatically expected to act with a higher morality. It would also not be doen to the lawyer to decide that - it's set by statute, or statutory instruments used by the judge such as precedent.

[@darkheart2287]

You gotta remember though it isn't just power dynamic it's did this person take advantage of it? And even then rachel would have to make the case while that song is definitly bad for him with that comment just making it worse we don't know is the end story hopefully one or both do come forward

[@lifeasrini]

@@paigeconnelly4244 I'm glad that law is in place but I think they need to update the meaning of "authority" for sure 😖

[@liittlemiissd]

It wouldn't count. those positions are exclusive to teachers and doctor's, not musicians.

[@callmec1313]

I don't even know how to express my disappointment at this point. Dave was someone I genuinely used to look up to based on his content and I felt elated when I had the chance to meet him after a G Dragon concert back in 2017. It really gives me the ick looking back at the picture I took with him back then now because of everything that has come to light about him recently and I can't believe I hugged him and let him pull me into his side for the picture. It's just so genuinely disappointing and downright heartbreaking to learn that someone you looked up to was capable of disgusting shit like this. IDEK at this point dude

[@Catglittercrafts]

Wait. G dragon??? I’m so freaking jealous.

[@callmec1313]

@@Catglittercrafts yes. I was very lucky to be right at the barrier that separated VIP ticket holders and the people with standing tickets. It was amazing and I hope you get the chance to see him one day. Truly is a fantastic performer and artist

[@ChaosArchives667]

Allegations are not proof there's no proof

[@rae3408]

damn i feel sorry u got to meet both a predator and a talentless mf

[@LowQualityIdiot]

@@ChaosArchives667there are still proven allegations that show him doing shit that’s fucked up. Did you even watch the video dude?

[@kquinnvandevelde1384]

When you said "the situation from a couple of months ago" I died because I could've sworn this was from like a month or less ago. Time is weird.

[@s0nnasauras630]

He posted his first vid a month ago he probably just didn't remember when specifically while filming

[@LoreCatan]

@@s0nnasauras630 From what I understand tho, the original reddit post/allegations were made in August, and for some reason only blew up in late September, when most of us heard about it. Thus, it's only been a month or so since videos have been popping up, but it's still been months since the situation originally started.

[@lilxxupnext]

as a registered s*x offender i’m a firm believer in “age is just a number.” i think it’s stupid to limit people.

[@LoreCatan]

@@lilxxupnext How I wish you could report people from comments alone sometimes. We've all been horny teenagers at one point, but you're mentally ill if you think teenagers have the proper maturity to be able to fully consent. Go fuck yourself and hide in a cold, dark, and grime-y hole. I hope your victims have the best lives they possibly could and that you burn in the hottest parts of hell. That is all.

[@nukaghoula]

There's definitely a difficult balance between respecting victims privacy and wanting to know their identity to add more weight to the accusations Honestly though, as someone who was sexually assaulted by a famous person in 2010 I absolutely and completely understand people who don't wanna put their face and name to the information. If you do, you face all the backlash of their fan base attacking you and when you've already been through sexual assault sometimes that's just too much to even consider adding to your plate

[@mekaylaowo1928]

i’m so sorry that that happened to you, no one deserves that but yeah, exactly, and then on top of that when there’s people that anonymously talk about their trauma there’s likely even more that are silent so this whole situation is…just not great

[@crappyaccount]

its unfortunate though. because without actual evidence and such, it wouldn't be fair for strangers/the public to believe accusations without proof (especially with how serious and life-altering such claims are) because some people do lie and either a court case or as many facts and details as possible is the only way to distinguish the two. sorry you experienced that though.

[@lulant9830]

I no it’s stupid to ask but who was it ? I want to make sure I can stay away from supporting

[@nukaghoula]

@@lulant9830 Craig mabbitt (escape the fate), and I've also found a few other victims over the years in various online "emo" communities

[@lulant9830]

@@nukaghoula queen energy what size crown do you wear ? Much love homie💙🤌🏻

[@kyrauniversal]

I don't think the creator took it down because they were lying. Fans are toxic. They can legitimately threaten someone and ACHIEVE it. The subreddit creator can legitimately threaten someone and ACHIEVE THAT. They cover shit up because they are fearing for their lives.

[@gandalainsley6467]

Except Dave hasn't posted in 2 years. Most fans would have moved on and he never had that kind of fanbase to begin with. You can actually see how easily everyone turned on him.

[@kyrauniversal]

@@gandalainsley6467 Nabber literally showed a reply by the same poster, stating that someone who spoke up was doxxed. Your thoughts on what type of fanbase he had are just a complete 180 degree turn.

[@gandalainsley6467]

@@kyrauniversal "Kyra Universal raped me. These are facts and when people tried to speak up, we got arrested by police. Some girls even got beaten." I just did the same thing. Do you believe me?

[@titanium4082]

@@kyrauniversal the reason was cuz Rachel didn't like her stuff being put up on there, so she contacted mods to fix it. The rest is history.

[@mylackofawilltolive3367]

Ive been on youtube for 9 years and the fact i can't name more then 8 creators who aren't contrerversial/cancelled is deppresing. And and out of those who arent MOST of them if not all have still been in sone kind of drama

[@Jeremy-hx7zj]

I don't think this will help, but honestly..I think that unfortunately it's pretty normal for human beings to be messed up and toxic. It's actually pretty easy to pick up toxic views or habits in this world.

[@TerraVulture]

@@Jeremy-hx7zj grooming kids isn’t normal..

[@asseater2486]

@@Jeremy-hx7zj hurting kids isn’t normal

[@sourgreendolly7685]

@@Jeremy-hx7zj There's a difference between toxic or imperfect and outright abuse (especially of children)

[@yuki97kira]

This is why i just sit and watch callmekevin..his only flaw is torturing sims

[@stingray1irwin0]

once as a 23-25 year old man I held hands and mildly flirted with a girl at coachella who turned out to be 17. We just held hands, and I never said anything dirty, but I still feel bad a decade later. it was dark, she approached me, blah blah blah I STILL SHOULD HAVE ASKED AND I SHOULD STILL FEEL BAD EVEN THOUGH NOTHING HAPPENED WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY FELLOW MEN

[@toolatetothestory]

Did she ask for your age too though or just tell you? Like. In that context I'd say that it would be pretty equal there. 17 is old enough to take responsibility to not get people into trouble either.

[@stingray1irwin0]

@@toolatetothestory only found out her age when one of her friends whispered in my ear "she's 17" and I almost threw up. I had a full moustache and beard and had no idea who Hozier was when she wanted to go see them. I should have just asked, straight up. I was the adult. My fault.

[@hibiscus8711]

@@stingray1irwin0 as long as you reject the idea of being in a relationship or doing things to a minir that you shouldnt then ur good. no shame💝

[@jadecoolness101]

@@toolatetothestory Ah yes, blame the literal child for not "taking responsibility." Fun fact: The brain isn't done developing until 25. So you're saying that an underdeveloped child should have equal responsibility to a fully developed (or almost fully developed since it was 23-25) adult. "But legally 18 is-" shut up, legally bIack people could be owned as sIaves I don't give a damn what the law says.

[@toolatetothestory]

@@jadecoolness101 Ah yes. 17. Blameless child. Never tried as an adult should they commit a crime. because the legal system knows that 17 is more than enough to know what you should and shouldn't do. 17 years is enough to sign up for the military but apparently not enough to know that you shouldn't play jailbait. A ten year old can tell you Stranger danger but a 17 year old apparently not.

[@nutmegdoesstuff1339]

If I had a nickel for every time a musician I liked got called out for something like this, I'd be able to exchange them for a quarter. Why do bad people have to make good things?

[@sexygirlmax2019]

who are the others, im curious? you can add mccafferty, awfultune, jimmy euringer from msi, dahvie vanity from botdf, anthony keidis from rhcp, david bowie, elvis

[@appalachiabrauchfrau]

as a fan of midwest emo, crust punk and skramz music I'd prob be able to buy a really nice dining room table. Those dudes are so navel gazey, half of em are mentally ill, homeless or junkies, or mentally ill homeless junkies, it's CONSISTENT. I wonder how people are surprised that they're abusive and predatory, they're full frontal about it 90% of the time. Their music is all just "I'm an asshole who does drugs, I hate everyone, I beat up cops but also girlfriends I'm so saaaad" like motherfucker, there's a dude in our DIY scene who ADMITTED to grooming a teenager in his songs and it's somehow treated as the shock of a century! lmao "And the only girls who give me the time of day Are far too young to realize the horrible mistake they've made I'm the horrible mistake they've made" uhhhh my man just copped to it, how is anyone surprised? "Wow, the guy who sang about young girls ACTUALLY groomed a chick? I can't believe it!" Thank god he's not allowed in most venues now.

[@coffeeman_1411]

@@sexygirlmax2019 wait what did David Bowie do (I don't know much about musical controversy)

[@Crumbledpaperball]

Leaving a comment to get a notification so I can also hear about what David Bowie and Elvis did

[@gothparishilton420]

@@Crumbledpaperball pretty sure he groomed several minors including Priscilla and i think i also read about him being abusive & just being a pos in general. not 100% sure tho this is just what i remember

[@shinydiamonds0458]

This is genuinely so upsetting, just the fact that people KEEP doing this over and over again and GETTING AWAY WITH IT

[@WillieManga]

I can't tell which is which in this case, however; that Dave really did get away with SA, or the person who posted it got away with false allegations. I don't know what the truth is, but for now I am remaining 100 percent neutral on this and not thinking about it.

[@shayda_wolf]

Oof at the mention of Cryaotic. That really hurt. Like I was a HUGE fan and so it felt a stab when I heard RussMoney talking about the situation.

[@grlkat]

That one was ROUGH, and Russ went through a lot dealing with him on top of that. Just shitty 😞

[@dopesickdog]

fuck man, i cosplayed him for Halloween at high school. i can't even enjoy anything related to him if i wanted to

[@anaionescu8913]

@@dopesickdog I still have a clay sculpture I made of his avatar when I was 12 😭

[@lorey1330]

What happened with Cry? I remember being into him a long time ago but I fell off pretty quickly.

[@MoonWolfMate]

@@lorey1330 the classic under age fan thing, cheating on girlfriend with said fan, abusing said fan. The whole situation is it's own fucked upness so I recommend looking into it. Also the cherry on top is that his response was him straight up admiting and trying to defend himself. I recall it sounding completely unhinged. I was a fan back in the hayday and hadn't watched him in years because I didn't follow him to his streams, so coming back and then watching that video was so jarring. I don't know if it's still up but there was most definitely probably uploads or people commenting on it.

[@chuddledog42]

I think one of the key morals of this whole drama is that just because its legal doesn't mean its morally correct. Also learn proper healthy boundaries between fans and creators like bro don't ask your fans if you should take your medicine.

[@penguinpinata]

i mean it makes sense to not attach faces to this , people would get harassed / doxxed / stalked . you should never put your information on the internet period . it makes sense why theyd need to be anonymous .

[@jadecoolness101]

If they attached their name to it, BIAB's fans would just harass them for "looking for clout/attention" We live in a r4pe culture where, no matter what women do, when they come out about their assauIter's actions, they are villainized in one way or another.

[@crappyaccount]

true on harassment but isn't saying "this person did x to me" also putting information on the internet? youd be surprised how much folks can find out by the smallest of things.

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

​@@crappyaccount I think that's why the post was deleted.

[@SinisterSkyler]

Before I watch I hope BIAB has responded and least tried to either defend himself, or admit wrong doing. EDIT: he didn't. the man just doesnt want to help himself.

[@jadesolstice2692]

BIAB is having mental issues and remains offline right now. So, don't really expect him to respond right now 🤷‍♀️

[@tokyobateman6610]

Is he even still alive

[@sexygirlmax2019]

@@jadesolstice2692 "mental issues" you mean coming to terms with the fact he is an abuser and pedo and everyone knows? lol this is worded like you know him/work for him and are defending him

[@followerofthechurchofsumi3868]

lowkey rubbed me the wrong way when it's mentioned "He has a responsibility to respond"

[@pourquoi6471]

I mean, he probably knows that responding to that might bring him more harm than good because his fans who don't know about any allegations will watch it and be against him too. If he ignores it and comes back with his regular content then some of his fan base will continue to support him. It happened before with other problematic creators

[@audreyturner5122]

Why is it so hard for them to not talk to fans or talk to minors?? Like, I know lying about your age is an issue, but sometimes by what they say or act like, you can tell when someone is younger or a minor??? Maybe I just have braincells, I don't know 💀

[@neverneverland5836]

You can definitely tell when someone is younger a lot of the time 😭 maybe not if they're 17 pretending they're 18, but even the difference between 16/17/18 year olds and 20 year olds is so clear in conversation

[@ThatgirlnamedAnnie]

“They told me they were *random age*” is not a viable excuse. You can tell when someone’s underage. You can tell when they’re underage. It’s not difficult

[@tomorrow3556]

@@ThatgirlnamedAnnie you really can't ALWAYS tell though. I used to lie about my age as a minor and even some of the people I became strictly friends with didnt know till years later when I told them. I feel awful for the grown men I lied to, and I wouldn't at all compare them to someone who KNOWS the age and still goes for it. Anecdotal experience aside, a lot of grown adults are extremely childish and a lot of younger people are mature. They can even have fake IDs too. Not trying to defend anyone who fucks around with someone underaged, but I think it is different when someone lies about their age. Which isnt what happened here it seems like.

[@theMoporter]

Context: there are several different sites that archive deleted Reddit posts, so it's not difficult to get a back-up of the post itself. The allegations are basically impossible to delete. Also, "delete this post immediately and talk to a lawyer" is a default response to any vaguely legally dubious situation on Reddit.

[@AnotherHarley]

I have a theory that OP does know the victims, was in a GC but decided to be a "white knight" and post the allegations w/out the permission of the victims, thinking it would help them - and that's why they wouldn't share info about any of the victims - and now they possibly all got really upset at OP for telling their stories w/out permission

[@cecilbenderman6240]

honestly if i had to guess, i'd say that one of the victims in the groupchat mentioned in the post took back their consent to it being posted for some reason and wanted it to be deleted. the post was written in a way where it felt real and it truly seemed like the poster believed in what they were saying, and so unless its them getting threatened by legal action, my guess would be one of the victims changing their mind about going public

[@Neko_ollie]

Yeah or one of them didn't have enough proof/was lying

[@jadecoolness101]

Considering the backlash of people going "it's anonymous, clearly they're clout chasers!" I wouldn't be surprised... Plenty of women have revoked their accusations after years of harassment. The sheer amount of hate I saw by BIAB's fanboys makes me fully believe one of the victims wanted to just leave the whole ""Drama"" (literal crimes are not drama, but whatever).

[@crappyaccount]

@@jadecoolness101 unfortunate though. its probably best not to make such public statements if you're not prepared for that kind of thing, because if it was true and you delete it because it overwhelmed you, it is going to be a lot harder for anyone's claims to be taken seriously again.

[@jadecoolness101]

@@crappyaccount or maybe people shouldn't immediately jump to victim blaming? Like what is this take? So basically, if you've beenabu/sed by a man, and you aren't "strong enough" to handle people victim blaming you... you should just.... what? Shut up?

[@crappyaccount]

@@jadecoolness101 If you have/are being abused, your first step should be to take it to law enforcement instead of the internet regardless of what gender(s) either party is. In any case, I don't think people should really jump to picking a side at all when it comes to stuff like this. Neutrality is the best option until there is enough concrete evidence to prove one way or the other. But its just a fact of reality that claims like this are inherently polarizing, especially when they come from what is basically some random person on the internet that for all anyone knows could literally be anybody behind the keyboard. So its important to take into account how people will respond before making your private information public. Especially when you post anonymously. Because it is generally harder to trust someone you don't know even just in day-to-day life, much less in a situation like this where having as much information as possible is key. Some people will believe the claims automatically, some will be neutral and/or express a healthy amount of scrutiny, and some fans will be rabid and lash out because they refuse to even entertain the possibility their favorite person could do such a thing. I don't condone being aggressive, and those people should be stopped, but that's the reality of the world and especially the internet. In a perfect world it wouldnt happen but it does. Its a major decision to make allegations, so people need to consider if it's the right time for them before they do so, and whether the potential support outweighs the emotional toll of potential criticism (or insanity, which again is never acceptable). Especially because how the situation is handled can not only impact them but the credibility (in the public eye anyway) of others, as well. Making a highly viewed post and deleting it without warning or explanation will make supporters or neutral people wary of trusting anonymous claims again because it just adds an extra layer of doubt to the situation and any others like it, even if everything was true behind the scenes. And of course the rabids feel validated and possibly use it as counter evidence to sway others. Not saying I think all of the above is great, its just what happens and why people need to take it into account before they post. That is all. Side note: since at least its basically confirmed he dated a 17yo and wasn't even really trying to hide it, he of course needs to be in jail or some kind of registry or at the very least kept away from children. While I think the way the post was handled could have unfortunate results on the rest of the statements, that is enough to lock someone away for good. I'm not siding with this dude or saying he's innocent of everything. He is a predator.

[@AndriodGirlMCR]

Boyinaband being a shit human is like the least surprising thing to me. Idk why but he rubbed me the wrong way. Also.. beans

[@Owlettehoo]

When situations like this happen, I always have a hard time finding the balance between believing the victim and not invalidating their story and experience, and being skeptical of dodgey claims. I feel bad for questioning things because what if they're not ready to fully come out with the evidence and were just needing to get it off their chest? But on the other hand, making false claims is terrible and can ruin innocent people's lives. It's just sometimes hard to know who the real victim is. At this point, I'm leaning more towards the claim being true, but we just don't have enough information to be grabbing the pitchforks, yet.

[@hanjisgirlfriend2884]

oh nah what’s happening with social media where influencers keep abusing their power to groom minors. tired of this shit, i’m scared to like anyone now in fear they’ll be exposed as predators://

[@liittlemiissd]

I’m still waiting for the “grooming” part.

[@maffe_distroyer]

Ignore the pedo from down, is just a troll that want to proof to anyone how dangerous and weird can he get; but yeah, people have too much liberty nowadays to the point they dont believe in respect others life

[@pigeon3264]

I remember when "Don't stay in school" came out. It was a big deal that lots of news sources covered and teachers were talking about it. I thought the message was important even though I thought the execution as a song was awful then and I still don't think it sounds very good. I was subscribed to him at one point but left because I just didn't like him. There's a lot of people online where I think some people can tell that the vibes are off but there's no concrete reason to feel that way until something like this happens.

[@bugdrawsportraits]

this usually works for me - every youtuber, actor, etc. that I don't like for no reason, ends up with some kind of allegations. BUT I never felt that with him for whatever reason. Then I recently watched a video of another creator, with him (after he stopped posting, he was still in a lot of other people's videos) and the vibes were definitely off lmao. I can't explain it, it's the same person, he wasn't rude or anything, but it was just...idk

[@lilxxupnext]

as a registered s*x offender i’m a firm believer in “age is just a number.” i think it’s stupid to limit people.

[@soccerruben1]

@Lil XX If you’re actually an SO, shouldn’t you be in prison, and not be here fiddling vulnerable people?

[@ollisayshi9017]

Every day, it’s feels like the phrase “never meet your heroes” rings true.

[@maxwellgrimsley]

Fraser your background gets more and more Christmas-y and I feel like I’m being indoctrinated 😂

[@silentfriend369]

Lol!!

[@prettyrat.]

🌀 Stare into the baubles and yield to their trance, deck the halls and join the dance! 🌀

[@alinack69]

The burden of proof is on the accuser. I'm not saying he's innocent, but it's not up to him to prove that, at this point. Until evidence comes out it's hearsay so he's probably been instructed not to say anything.

[@lilxxupnext]

as a registered s*x offender i’m a firm believer in “age is just a number.” i think it’s stupid to limit people.

[@XavierTheRed]

@@lilxxupnext this was the most wildest thing you could have replied with

[@alinack69]

@@lilxxupnext bro, being a 38 year old virgin doesn't make it alright to diddle kids. I know you are legally obligated to tell people, but don't make it so easy for people to dislike you.

[@WillieManga]

Or maybe he either hasn't heard of this drama being offline for so long, or if he has, he feels like he doesn't want to come back online just for this. I'm not against people swearing off the internet.

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

While you are right in the majority of cases, the legal precedent for sexual assault and abuse often does take victim's word at face value as evidence, thereby immediately shifting the burden of proof onto the accused. And while that is one of the parts that does not have any contributory evidence, it would nevertheless be wise to keep that in mind.

[@Anthony20603]

Ever since one of the allegations were proven i was convinced there was bound to be more to come, i never was big on boyinaband since he always seemed iffy but i did enjoy his presence for the most part and it truly sucks to see the reality behind the screen of how bad someone truly is, glad youtubers are cutting ties and the amount of people turning out like this lately is so disappointing, best to not really idolize anyone at this point, and i hope the victims are doing well

[@geckokid8265]

Yeah I'd only seen him in Odd1sout and Jaiden videos but it's still disappointing because he was still part of my formative years when I was watching and enjoying the other youtubers who are decent people

[@lilxxupnext]

as a registered s*x offender i’m a firm believer in “age is just a number.” i think it’s stupid to limit people.

[@Anthony20603]

@@lilxxupnext ok edgelord

[@purplemadolbec]

"Take me without my consent" might be refurring to Consentual Non-Consent - a type of role play that, normally, two ADULTS would be doing. It's a fairly normal kink -- but again.. for ADULTS. Kind of weird that Rachel would be singing this.

[@goblindeeznuts]

its still weird even with adults…

[@NeloBladeOfRanni]

@@goblindeeznuts eh with 2 consenting adults it isn't really weird. Heck it's a way to deal with trauma for @bu$e survivors

[@SkyeBerryJam]

Bruh, this guy was so good at messages and such a good ally, then this happened

[@ItsBunnyBuns]

Lmao, such a good ally

[@SkyeBerryJam]

@@ItsBunnyBuns I mean when I watched his content he was collabing with various LGBTQ+ creators and such and promoting the ability to actually be yourself and such. Not sure about more recent stuff, until the contraversy and allegations.

[@ChaosArchives667]

ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT FUCKING PROOF!!!!

[@lifeasrini]

Agreed. That's why this one hit harder imo. Jaiden Animations privated the song she did with him which was meant to be healing for her eating disorder 😞 She was my kids favourite for awhile and that made me sad 😖

[@chatnoir9038]

Shows how you can't trust or idolize anyone

[@renee1961]

Thank you for sharing information on these subjects! We need to know!

[@walter3086]

can't wait to watch this video man! I'm only at the beginning but thank you for all your videos, they're great :)

[@jhamps4806]

It’s amazing how times have changed for the better, I am 53 and my first boyfriend was 25 when I was 16. It wasn’t seen as a big deal back then but, if my goddaughter got a boyfriend or girlfriend at 16 and they were 25 I would be so angry with the older partner…! It’s abusive…!

[@pirana4011]

If the age was the only problematic thing about this situation, it wouldn't have blown up. The issue is, that he did terrible things to multiple people, as is alleged.

[@quack420]

'why cant you prove your innocence without sueing'... it's nearly impossible to prove a negative, why innocent until proven guilty.

[@shinydiamonds0458]

I love your Christmas decorations, they make your videos feel so nice

[@TheShadowSythe]

I mostly agree with everything in this video but "Suing an accuser means you're guilty because you're just using your money to silence them" is a pretty bad take ngl. IF he is innocent (I don't think he is) then this is obviously a very very serious legal matter and court is the valid next step. Well, legal steps should be taken in both scenarios tbh.

[@brethart2070]

Don't worry as he famously said "I was never taught what laws there are I was never taught what laws there are!"

[@AnyuMin]

All of this feels so unreal to me. I never thought that one of the creators I like can turn out to be bad human beings. I always assumed it's easy to identify which creator might not turn out to be a good person & I thought I'm good at identifying the bad ones early on, but this whole BoyInABand thing truly made me double think about everyone I follow & am subscribed to. Gotta stop ignoring even seemingly minor red flags & allegations, even if they seem like wholesome people. Ah yeah, also - beans 🌱

[@appalachiabrauchfrau]

it's easier to tell irl, these creators get to put out bespoke, curated images of their person. It's like tilting a camera in order to get the perfect angle, then processing the photo through 10 different filters and beauty sliders to the point where it barely looks like you. No shit you can tell irl, but if someone NEVER saw you in person, and you were skilled with recreating that image over and over, then they'd barely recognize the real you when confronted with it. You're watching what they want you to see, not a lot of people are going to broadcast their red flags if they're aware of them.

[@nunpho]

I used to work in law and you honestly can't tell how awful someone is just by looking at them. Some of the most awful people look/appear to act like anyone else.

[@tealablu3759]

I feel this. It sucks

[@sharpeningtheaxe]

You have to accept that you simply can’t ever tell. When things come out about a person you will always see people saying they “knew something was off” or finding clues after the fact, but that’s all just hindsight. Creators and celebrities are all people too- and people can always disappoint you, no matter how vigilant you are for warning signs. Just remember not to idolize anyone and try to be mindful of your parasocial attachments.

[@titanium4082]

You could also accept that you know next to nothing besides what was legal in his area, plus or minus morality. Y'know, jumping the gun to this person bad is not good.

[@williamgregory5843]

I just want to point out, he doesn't owe anyone a response. He has the right to privacy, just because people feel like they are entitled to know a influencers life doesn't mean they are.

[@malusofficial]

True

[@ImMimicute]

That is true, and technically he *could* be somehow completely innocent and whether or not he defended that wouldn’t change that. However there is also a point where we have to pragmatically say “there is a fair quantity of evidence pointing towards Dave being a nonce” End of the day it’s a balancing act of accepted risk

[@-lord1754]

@@ImMimicute Yeah there was a fair bit of evidence pointing towards projared, actually more, and he was innocent

[@ImMimicute]

@@-lord1754 exactly, I don't remember how long for but I remember him being silent for a while too, I still think this one is a bit weak to be making real allogations on outside of being generally a bit of a creep

[@markrichardson5496]

Watched both vids now and i’m still waiting for evidence? Dating a 16 yr old in UK is not illegal, singing on a song where he says she helped out with vocals AND LYRICS, theres a lot of nothing so far, oh except the deleted initial accusation

[@sneakylinky1764]

This is so genuinely sad and I want to scream. Great job explaining

[@jap3lack137]

Im sorry iNabber but you missed the mark on this one. If someone is being falsely accused of a crime that jeopardizes their career wether you’re wealthy and known or literally the lowest of the low you don’t owe anyone but your lawyer and the judge an explanation. You said time and time again that if he is suing the people involved he’s not gonna say anything publicly as to not potentially soil his case then turn right around and say he should say something to the public even though he doesn’t owe anyone an explanation. You made multiple valid points but were also contradictory throughout the video.

[@AngelBirdo]

"Remove the allegations from your brain" Me who hasn't seen part one: :)

[@sharpeningtheaxe]

I totally agree that this seems super messed up, but I don’t really understand the moral argument here. So even though at 16 someone can legally consent in the UK, it’s immoral because they’re still a child- but then you’re using the law to determine who is and isn’t a child. If we’re basing our morals outside of the law, why are we using the law’s arbitrary age of adulthood to define our morals? Brains take around 25 years to fully develop (sometimes longer), so there is no perfect cutoff where someone goes from child to adult- it’s a gradual progression. I understand the issue of the significant age gap combined with the power dynamic of this being a fan, absolutely. I just don’t understand the idea that you are one day a child and the next an adult based purely on the laws of where you live and not your actual brain development and maturity. If someone feels that an age gap created a power imbalance that was used against them to victimize them, I think that should be valid whether they are 16, 18, or 20. They are still a young person with a developing brain (even if the older person in the relationship is too).

[@dazza60]

Totally agree with this. I've also met 16-17 year olds who were more mature than the average 22-23, and 22-23 year olds who were less mature than the average 16-17 year old. Legally speaking, it's not illegal. Morally speaking, it really depends on the situation.

[@K.pendragon]

"why couldn't you just prove your innocence without having to silence someone" WHAT?? So if someone accused you you'd just let them get away with lying?

[@renmelii]

But this is usually the tactic that actually guilty, powerful people use. It just looks better for your claims to respond with evidence rather than shutting the allegations down w/o a word

[@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura]

You wouldn't silence them dumbass, you'd respond and prove them wrong first.

[@BlueLoungeSocialClub]

I don't like the whole, "Silence turns to guilt" bit. Even if he's a gross creep, the logic doesn't sit well with me.

[@ImMimicute]

No I’m right there with you, if someone says I’m a lizard then it’s not on me to take a DNA test and it doesn’t become true because I never mentioned the accusation Obviously hyperbolic example but none the less, what’s true is true regardless of how it’s defended, I can’t just call someone a nonce then a year down the line be like “see if you weren’t a nonce you’d have denied it by now”

[@Lilith-Sherlock-64]

It was really heartbreaking to find this out, i used to interact with dave alot as i was a fan of his videos, i was like 16 :/ As a victim of this kind of abuse it hurts to know someone i found comfort in is hurting people the way i was hurt. It makes me so scared of people :(

[@Terri_MacKay]

If you have justify what you've done/are doing by saying that it's not "technically" illegal, that's not good. Just because you can "technically" do something, that doesn't mean you should. And if you are an adult, and the age of the person you're dating ends in "teen", STOP, just stop right now!!! They are a child, and you shouldn't be anywhere near them.

[@sharpeningtheaxe]

Aren’t eighteen and nineteen considered adults in many places?

[@mwest3191]

Killing it with the content as well as the holiday décor 🎄☃️

[@garycannon2887]

The rape me song was apparently supposed to be mocking pop songs. Another youtuber covered this topic showed a message from the reddit account saying they took the allegations down as they want nothing to do with internet drama.

[@abysses]

god, i hate how fast the news cycle moves. i completely had forgotten about this situation. thank you for keeping us updated :)

[@renee1961]

Beans! Hi, iNabber! 🙋☺️🤗🎉🎈🎊 Happy to see you! How's everything going with you? Good, hopefully! Thank You!

[@Mortheous]

NO FRAZIER, boyinaband had a "duty to respond" in COURT! Not on social media.

[@IAmDdie1]

12:53 His silence may be because He may have gotten lawyers involved. They generally tell you to keep quite about a situation until after its gone through the courts and the appeals process

[@LucifersHusband]

I'm not gonna say I'm devastated that he's awful, or that he singlehandedly got me through tough times with my own mental health, but it really is disappointing that someone who seemed so understanding and who I felt understood how I felt, with his music, turned out to be so f-cking gross. Usually I'm really good at figuring out who's shitty just by seeing their username, or seeing their thumbnails but I didn't with him and that's infuriating. I got the ick from him sometimes but rationalized it by telling myself that he's human and we're allowed to disagree on things, which to an extent is still true, but to think I just pushed those feelings away is ugh. I should've realized sooner that his activism is just him grifting, especially when the truth about Cry came out, and the whole ordeal recently with Minx downplaying some serious stuff to protect someone with sa allegations. He was the company he kept. Back before I stopped watching his KZbin videos, when he would make fun of Tumblr and the "crazy SJW's", or something. I thought it was just because I was using Tumblr that I didn't like those comments, so I decided to agree to disagree, so I decided to listen to his music only. I know, logically, that I didn't know him, and he never knew me, so there's nothing most of us could've done, since we knew nothing, but it makes me regret introducing his music to other people regardless. Sometimes even when you think you're being careful, you can still fall into the parasocial trap of thinking you might know someone. I'm still not gonna listen to his music anymore, but damn is it hard to do, I cut off other artists easier than this. I hope he gets kicked in the f-cking shins and has his kneecaps stolen.

[@Apudurangdinya]

Honestly staying silent Is the best option for boyinaband, he just wait till he fell into obscurity and forgotten by peoples

[@rosethrawn]

I’m so confused now. I have no idea what’s happening with this Boyinaband drama. It just sounds like everyone is lying at this point. I believe Boyinaband did what he did since he admitted to it but some of these other allegations are sus.

[@OhsweetOhno]

I don’t even remember what the actual allegations were. Thinking about how BiaB hasn’t posted in years, and his last post was something very disturbing, overdosing on pills, the only thing I can think is that he might already be dead. His silence might be because he doesn’t know whats going on, or because he isn’t alive and cant make one.

[@RENX5]

I really didn’t want this to be real, he was one of my favorite content creators. What a shame.

[@pepperminty036]

Yeah I feel just the same.

[@lunaralymphea]

my only issue with this video is when he goes a bit on a rant about BiaB going silent and how it was wrong for him to do so, but when people do say something those people are advised to have not said anything until absolutely necessary. It's not actually a bad thing to stay quiet when accused, (looking at illuminaughtii) even a post saying they are looking into it can be taken in an unintended mirror. In this situation, either staying quiet and disappearing into internet history or getting all of your evidence together before addressing it would honestly be the two best options for him. This is a horrible situation no matter how you look at it.

[@katokianimation]

Agree, you dont even know what the hell is all the evidence against you, and even if you ever met the people who are accusing you on doing something to them. but you should defend yourself😢 against hord of random deepshits on the internet who gonno interpret anything you say in the worst ways possible. That is such an arbitrary standard. Who is he to say what is the right way?

[@MasterEth]

your vids on this man have been a breathe of fresh air to commentary. I was also on the cautionary tale of not knowing whether or not the take the allegations seriously since the whole situation felt weird.

[@CeceJianni]

I don't think disproving guilt of allegations is necessarily easy. It's easy to prove that you did something, it's not so easy to get proof of something that never happened imo.

[@algi1]

I think there are examples when people in position of power don't realize the power dynamic they are in with an underage person, but those people aren't fetishizing lack of consent in a song.

[@crystallizedcrow]

6:29 i'm by no means an expert on this stuff, but i feel like dave is trying to form a (very inappropriate) parasocial relationship with his fans to then blame them when bad things happen.

[@Punkkitten04]

"It's gotten worse!" ... how? "Well the post was deleted" confused how this situation has gotten worse. Yeah he shouldn't have dated a 16 year old at 24 but we already knew this so how is it worse now? I feel like I was tricked lol

[@CosmicGardener]

Power is such a weird thing. My conflict management course mentioned that in almost every situation everyone involved perceives the power the others have incorrectly. For example a manipulator or dominator tends to do these things bc they perceive the person they are putting pressure on as having enough power to leave while those being manipulated perceive the manipulator as the one with more or all of the power. When someone tries to corner someone into a situation with verbal, emotional, and or physical abuse if is likely done out of some kind of fear. Additionally we talked about how we bring the standard for ourselves and others uphold the expectations. Or we only have as much power as we give/allow ourselves (within reason of course). If you're feeling stuck, try your hardest to figure out what your and those involved goals are and remind yourself that you are perceived to have more power than you think you have. Ik it's easier said than done

[@YoursUntruly]

You’re looking great lately man! It’s obvious that you’re putting in a ton of work

[@TheMunchkinita2509]

Soo.. the one thing that sticks out to me the most in this video is the way iNab says that Dave would be better off trying to prove his innocence instead of silencing a potential victim (not agreeing or disagreeing with that), but that leads me to ask.. how do you prove something DIDN'T happen? Lack of evidence isn't evidence that nothing happened. I have no clue how he could even begin to address that.. especially if no actual crimes took place. As far as the public knows, there's no reported crimes, no victims have come forward, no one is being sued.. with no actual people (except Dave) being involved, the original post is on the same level as some sort of a sick fanfic. Idk.. this whole thing is weird, but yeah.. that was just something that stuck out to me.

[@hannahc8213]

We do live in a time of "kill your idols" which is a double edged sword of the shame of well-liked people turning out to actually being really gross people but also those affected having the space to speak out instead of suffering in silence.... despite it all being morally grey and incomplete evidence Going forward I hope this makes any upcoming creators be more mindful of their actions and their influence/power over others (which really does corrupt)and they know that people will speak up and they can't just get away with their behaviour. You don't have to be a perfect person, just don't be gross.

[@anxietysnow8283]

He's most likely never gonna respond, considering he isn't trying to have a career on the internet anymore, he has no real reason to hold up an image that no longer matters

[@zeroart1641]

when i was 18 years old, I was dating a 23 year old, I am the one who asked him out and he even asked my mom if it was okay because he was worried because I had just turned 18. (I was just looking for a relationship, I hadnt been in one before and thought he was cute, I know, not a reason to pursue a relationship) But, he was very respectful towards me and didnt ask me to do anything I didnt want to (we didnt do anything in the bedroom) and we broke up over not being able to see each other since neither of us had a car. Moral of the story, it is very easy to be respectful when dating someone, even when they are younger, I dont see how anyone wouldnt understand that. That's not even talking about the huge age gap, i mean the respect.

[@ddwhaley1304]

Ok ok Can we all Talk about how weird it is NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW Rachel feels?! Like Her Face, name and part of her Experience with Someone, at a time of her life she may not want to Remember is tossed around the Internet, as a way to give evidence/Strengthen Aligations that the same person who she might want to forget MIGHT have done to others on a basis of an Anonymous let's Face it "Trust me guys" Open letter, SHE DIDNT CONSENT TO HER STORY WITH THIS GUY TO BE OUT! SHE'S THE ONE WHO DELT WITH HIM! SHES THE ONE WHO EXPERIENCED WHATEVER HAPPENED! And it is HER story as well as the Story of The ones who was hurt by HIM to come forward if they even WANT to! Because again IT'S THEIR experience! How do we know She or others Consented to the Open Letter, how do we know that Letter didn't re- traumitized others involved let alone the INTERNET getting involved for investigative purposes! Yes Inabber has censored her face, but many Others have not....and it doesn't take much to track what's already there through the internet. Has anyone Actually thought about How she or anyone else effected by this Guy might be feeling being put in a spotlight, this pressure to come forward, when they see their Alleged Predator Trending because of a Blind siding Letter they had no idea was coming?! Because so far We've only been talking about her/possible Them through "What he has done" not a "How the Hell are they feeling about this" and it doesn't feel right

[@Sabrinasenn]

Just what i need, a inabber video while i wait to my Pokemon scarlet do dowload

[@iNabber]

enjoy the game dude :)

[@Sabrinasenn]

@@iNabber thankx! Love your videos!

[@ashleywhispers4331]

To play devils advocate how is he supposed to prove that he did not harm a girl?

[@SixtySecondYoga]

If the posts have been removed, that probably means legal proceedings have started, so they’re not allowed to discuss the case online. They were probably directed to do it by their lawyers.

[@lilxxupnext]

as a registered s*x offender i’m a firm believer in “age is just a number.” i think it’s stupid to limit people.

[@sknk.hunt42]

@@lilxxupnext oh you're a troll

[@lilxxupnext]

@@sknk.hunt42 quite the opposite

[@dazza60]

I've talked to the mods of the subreddit. As far as they're aware, no one took any legal action against anyone else.

[@kaysgames8891]

So my baby momma and I split up. I'm 31 and she's 28. After we split she started seeing someone who was 42 and I tried really hard to explain to her why her red flags should be going off. Even when ur an adult being 28, if someone in there forties is trying to go after such young women there is probably a reason. Low and behold I have already gotten 2 calls from her at the hospital cuse he just "can't put up with her, her disrespecting him, her being overbearing, and he hits her." The power dynamic includes drugs sadly that he provides and now she's stuck feeling powerless. If a man is going after someone young and let's be honest vulnerable especially in your younger ages that speaks so much about that older person's character. I know this isn't true for everything sometimes it is okay for big age gaps, love is love I get that obviously not for children I'm speaking about young adults and older adults, but in this case it was incredibly telling and I could see the signs a million miles away. I hope my baby mother the best, but I am no longer responsible for her, and aside from trying to help her from a distance I owe her nothing else. It's very sad to deal with but I need only take care of myself and my children whom I have full time. Older men don't take advantage of a women's age thinking there inexperience is yours to take advantage of, women be careful of men who are much older then you and ask the question why are they not seeking people closer to there age. Red flags should be going off and you should at least cautiously move forward if you are to pursue the relationship. I know your not defenseless but these older people will purposefully target younger women with the sole reasoning that they can shape you to there mold, and control you thru there "many more years of experience" and if they have a power dynamic to use against you only makes them more confident that they can control you. And obviously this can be the same for younger men and older women. Just be careful please.

[@desiraedunn4324]

As a Teen I lived on KZbin. My dads only rule no commenting, and no talking to people. I'm so thankful it was the one thing I did listen to! Hearing all these things are so sad.

[@lilxxupnext]

i’m a firm believer in “age is just a number.” i think it’s stupid to limit people.

[@carebecousin]

Thank you for your hard work and dedication!

[@N4chtigall]

Im not Boyinaband fan, the last time I heard of him was in iDubbbz collab or something but sitll. There are so many things in this video that are stretches or just logical fallacies. It reminds me of ProJared situation after his accusations. "Oh he is silent so he is guilty" or "He did something bad or morally questionable that means he is guilty of everything" and "He have power and money so its power dynamic therafore he is abuser" - it's literally the same shit. Sure, you could say that dating someone who is still a minor is bad... Okay, but its still not illegal. If someone dont like it then its their problem. Im so tired of people like you on the internet with the "guilty until proven innocent" mentality. It caused so many problems in the past and somehow people still didnt learned. But hey - vultures like you have to make money somehow am I right? And Im definitely not saying he is innocent - not at all. However stirring drama for clicks even though it may cost someone career or even life is quite pathetic.

[@chuckrivas3746]

I think you're not considering a couple of things: -Accusations need to be still proven, legally, otherwise it's a witchhunt -People accused of anything are free to not comment on it, sometimes it is advised by an attorney

[@lillypotter6722]

I am not taken a stands on these allegations…. Because there is no empirical evidence. So until I have that I am not believing it.

[@Guest-wr4bj]

THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS!

[@babowasalwayshere]

Here's my thing about putting out allegations about people: please... please.. PLEASE. don't blow it out of proportion, even if you feel like it's for the sake of good intentions it just ends up backfiring in the end and hurting the people you intend to help. I worry that's partly what happened with this deleted post. That perhaps they took a granule of the truth and blew it up into a bigger deal to get people's attention. In a similar sense that people are more likely to panic and call emergency services if a whole house is on fire than if just the pan on the stove top caught fire. I don't say this to imply Dave is innocent because honestly dating a 16yo with a 4+ year gap is suuuuper sketchy. But things like 'victims are in the double digits' and implications without examples or anything makes me wonder if they wanted to make Dave seem like a 'super villain' rather than just a 'villain'. It's not the first time people have gotten worked up about canceling someone and pulled allegations out of nowhere to beef up a person's guiltiness. It feels like people can't just be bad anymore, they have to be the worst bad person you've ever met that has countless victims and has done any and every kind of crime in existence. What I'm getting at is rather than raising awareness people are becoming obsessed with sensationalizing bad news to the point many people don't want to take any allegations seriously anymore. Much as what you inferred toward the beginning of your video, yes there are still *definitely* fishy things Dave did. But now that we have no idea what's really going on, I'm worried how many false allegations may have been fabricated just for the sake of dramatizing this and capitalizing on victims or whatever the hell people get out of this. I don't believe it would be out of place to bring up the issue of alarm exhaustion. People cry wolf about things enough and many others will stop caring even when something *is* wrong. And as a former victim of sexual assault and pedophilia myself, I really REALLY don't want to see people stop caring anymore than they already have.

[@sexygirlmax2019]

thats a long way to say that you dont take abuse that seriously.

[@IchigoSakura1001]

I completely agree with this and this is why I dislike him supporting the allegations with if he did it once why wouldn’t he do it again. It changes the one proven victim to be one of a possible many instead of an autonomous person with proof.

[@babowasalwayshere]

@@IchigoSakura1001 This exactly. I would really prefer people stick to the facts. I would take no issue if someone came out and outright said they were a victim, but it just feels super sketchy when people say there's 'many victims' but can't seem to name a single one.

[@babowasalwayshere]

@@sexygirlmax2019 sure jan

[@Hopischwopi]

I think a big problem is that people often want clear situations like someone being innocent or not. The problem is when someone isn`t innocent there are many forms. People seeing the posts dissapear might think "Oh he is innocent" and might ignore or forget about the things he clearly is not innocent from. Does anyone get what I mean xD?

[@Kikkarlin]

Yeah we expect people to either be a straight up villain or innocent even though most situations are more complicated than that

[@KCsFunHouse]

That’s actually a really great analogy, the water bottle one. I always told my kids that there is nothing that a person over 21 has in common with someone under 18. At 21 you’re graduating university, under 18 you’re a literal child.

[@CptNeogene]

What would consider an 18 year old then in this situation?

[@belle3528]

Is it guilty until we find evidence or lack thereof? Or, innocent until proven guilty?

[@annipsy2185]

i think theres one think to also keep in mind. you said those two options, but it doesnt have to be completely black and white. lets say as an example if i was to hang out with him ,id now be very cautious/not do it until he clarified those things

[@belle3528]

@@annipsy2185 if you aren’t very good friends and don’t know him well then absolutely, keep yourself safe and put some distance. But it is black and white. You did what you were accused of or you didn’t. Finding out what is true, now that can be the hard part

[@bleukettu4521]

I'm not taking sides here, but it takes two to tango. This reminds me too much of a guy I went to college with who almost got arrested because a girl he hooked up with at a party (everyone was over 21) and days later because he didn't want a relationship with her she tried to accuse him of rape. Fortunately she tried to use some other classmates as 'proof' which was BS, but by the time it was all over and she admitted it was false he lost his scholarship and spent a week in jail. Nothing happened to her except that no one wanted to be her and she lost all of her friends. No apology, no major punishment. So this whole thing seems very suspicious to me.

[@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura]

Brother it was literally proven he dated a 16 yr old and treated a past ex like shit. This ain't a 'it takes two to tango' situation clearly the guy's got issues. Y'all need to stop misusing false accusations like this.

[@moonlit_ruffles]

He was never thaught what laws there were 😢😢😢😢

[@Ajlez]

It's really hard to listen to people talking about situations like this when they don't ever acknowledge how dangerous and terrifying it is to make an accusation like this in the first place. Most victims don't speak up at all for that very reason, much less putting their names and faces out into the world for everyone to see and for your abuser to also see. I am still afraid of the people who hurt me in my life, and I still take actions in my daily life to avoid them getting mad at me, because I just fear them so much.

[@garycannon2887]

The thing is the 17 year old he publicly dated hasn’t made any allegations. It was another ex that wanted to stay anonymous highlighted that early relationship to smear him as a pedophile.

[@Ajlez]

@@garycannon2887 The thing is if they're wrong, so what? If I had people calling me a pedophile and I wasn't, I wouldn't care that much because I would know it wasn't true. False accusers hurt real victims and they have absolutely nothing to do with real victims. I don't know if it's true that Rachel has said nothing and that doesn't really matter either (I thought she did say stuff on her own in the past against him but I'm no expert on this matter and I don't feel the need to fact check), she doesn't have to but it's also out in the open making it something people can say without having to share their own intimate details. In my opinion, the poster of that thread is probably still quite young and not highly intelligent. I usually find that women are more apt to realize the difference in an age gap than men are. When you get older, you realize that the person who acted like you were special and who seemed so mature is actually extremely immature, or they wouldn't be spending time with you. 🤷‍♀ If he was only in his early 20's in this one example, I still think he was quite young and stupid himself, but I haven't seen any indication that he changed his mind on dating young women either. The statements I saw made about this all sounded very realistic, I've heard many things like that in my personal life, and that's why they seem very human and real to me.

[@garycannon2887]

@@Ajlez victims of false allegations are real victims too. You clearly have no idea the effects false allegations have on ruining peoples lives. Like you seriously wouldn't have a problem with everyone you know distancing themselves from you, ruining your living, and putting you at risk of verbal and physical assault from ignorant individuals any time you leave the house? The Problem in this situation is the genuine issues with his behaviour were completely overshadowed by the extreme and blatantly false allegations that were contradicted by the hit piece letter itself and the attached screenshots. It should be obvious that just because you feel hurt by someone because they expected you to cook and clean or ghosted you doesn't make it okay to smear them as a dangerous grooming pedophile and abuser to hurt them back.

[@Ajlez]

@@garycannon2887 So you believe he ghosted and expected cooking and cleaning, but you don't believe the sexual abuse. I really don't think this is a good or useful way to "get someone back" and I don't believe that was the inclination (especially considering this is probably years late), of course I could be wrong, but if they just wanted to smear someone they could do it in a way that doesn't make people look down on theme in the process, and they didn't do that. Women don't usually want to talk about men they're with having erectile dysfunction, for example. What it looks like to me is it took them time to process before being able to admit how wrong what they went through was. That's my read, maybe it's wrong, don't care. And for the record, no, I have had much worse problems than people making false accusations against me, so to me that's really a non-issue. Go ahead and do it to me if you want to try and prove me wrong. Fearing the people in your own house is a lot more common and a bigger concern than fearing strangers. I'm more worried about people in that situation than guys catching flak from weak girls who can't do much at all to them.

[@garycannon2887]

@@Ajlez i dont recall them discussing sexual abuse other than him making sexual comments. And with the way they exaggerated paying for work to be financial abuse and that he admitted to hitting a girl once when he was younger into him having a pattern of physically abusing women, it would be hard to take their word for it. With cooking and cleaning and him only buying microwave meals and having porn addiction, it doesnt matter if it's true or not as when that is their experience of abuse it just seems petty after they smeared him as a grooming pedophile abuser. The ghosting thing there is actual evidence of, but again with the exaggerated allegations that were made it didn't matter so much if it was true or not

[@narwhale220]

Wake up babe new inabber video just dropped

[@iNabber]

WAHEY

[@Spities]

I feel like Dave, who hasn't really been posting a lot, and has been silent on the internet, is just treating this like a normal person who has no following on the internet. I don't think he forgot his presence on the internet, but it did look like he wasn't in the greatest place before he just disappeared. I'm not excusing his actions, but I think he is just trying to handle someone saying stuff about them on the internet the way things should be handled. Offline. He didn't seem like the type to just post updates (his last youtube video was 2 years ago) about himself, so he doesn't want to post anything in regards to it.