'The Breen Attack on Earth' Battlespace: The Dominion War

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Pinned comment for Q&A :)

[@revolcane]

Riker? Enterprise?

[@alexandercaires5921]

I'm surprised you didn't include Star Trek Online lore on the planetside attack. Is there any reason you didn't? (other than it's beta canon on top of time travel being involved with the mission that let's you partake in the Battle of Earth)

[@scpguy1381]

Is it possible that the since it’s already implied that the Breen use Borg tractor beam drain tech, that this either inspired Breen shield drain tech, maybe even the Borg drain torpedoe is a precursor to the Breen one

[@Relav1364]

Briefly discussed this is in discord, but I want a real answer!!! Why does Starfleet fail so, so, hard at basic network security? No failover, no redundancy... and what happened to the global undersea fibre networks? Not in place?!

[@alexanderleach3365]

'Yesterday, October 1st, 2375, a date which will live in infamy...'

[@turkeytrac1]

Just remember, even though the Breen got through the formidable defenses on earth, they literally got their asses handed to them. Oh, and helpfully pointed out the weakness of earth's defenses.

[@RogueSabre]

Tet 1968. Even if you get your butt kicked, sometimes that's not the point. Your opponents bad press can be debilitating (thanks Walter cronkite... scumbag)

[@tetefather]

nice spin! You work for CNN?

[@Talon1124]

Breen literally did a Pearl Harbour, and woke the sleeping Federation giant.

[@thomasjmitchell2306]

​​@@RogueSabreTet was 1968.

[@Trevor_Schindler]

​@@thomasjmitchell2306hahahaha damn! Well played!

[@weldonwin]

"You wanted confirmation? Well *THERE'S* Your Confirmation!"

[@marquis4116]

Tora Tora Tora

[@fanuluiciorannr1xd212]

A small excerpt intercepted from the Breen high command revealed the strategy they used for the attack on Earth. Bellow are the words which will prove a turning point in the war :"Fuck it. We ball."

[@sfs2040]

Loved how the Breen both proved and disproved the notion that Earth was unassailable

[@spaceengineeringempire4086]

You can attack earth but after you do that 2 things will happen. 1st your fleet will get erased by a lot of things, Star fleets core fleets, defense guns, hidden ships, and oh ya half the population of earth. And 2. You will awaken the monster known as humanity’s anger. They nuked their own world. And if they did not learn to be more mentally stable they won’t be known as the United Federation of planets of even humans. They would be known as Terrans and let me tell you the only difference between a Terran and a Human. Is that a human will try to be better person by being kind.

[@CASA-dy4vs]

@@spaceengineeringempire4086section 31 would wipe the floor with nearly every single faction in the sto universe, at least during TOS and before the stupid ass 32nd century bit

[@lyinarbaeldeth2456]

An attacking force which doesn't care about getting out alive can accomplish objectives beyond their nominal strength. No-one had attacked Earth in centuries precisely *because* it was a suicide mission. The Breen decided they didn't care.

[@waynemiller1670]

Except Vger, the whale probe, two borg cubes, those giant earwig looking thing!

[@spaceengineeringempire4086]

One was a probe that had advanced tech and that was deflected. Another was satiated and most likely proved to increase investment. The Borg being the Borg borged the static phaser systems basically adapting to there frequencies. And the ear wigs basically did a stealth attack and replaced some people of power.

[@JDalkiii85]

And they got what was coming to them. They fucked around, and found out.

[@Relav1364]

YOOOOO... having written my own version of this event, I'm yet again blown away by the sheer insane Q U A L I T Y on display. This, this is why independent creators are the future. Take note, universe. A few dedicated trek lovers have created dramatic film that rivals, and daresay exceeds, the quality of multi-million dollar studio productions. The music, my good friends voices, the story, the tension, everything hits here. And thanks for featuring such lovely shots of my Sovereign

[@RurouniKalainGaming]

Do remember that very few Breen Ships made it back.

[@shanenolan5625]

I thought none did .

[@mbpaintballa]

@@shanenolan5625 yeah, they were wiped out

[@OllamhDrab]

Pretty sure all the Starfleet elements roving in range and like from the Andorian Guard would a been hauling arse to make sure of it. All was over very fast though.

[@thestanleys3657]

Damar points out so few breen ships survived the assault. so not all were destroyed

[@shanenolan5625]

@@thestanleys3657 oh yes he does. But I imagine thry were being pursud by star fleet.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

_The sleeping giant has been awakened, and filled with terrible resolve._ The Breen attack did provide quite the psychological effect. However, now the galaxy well relearn what happens when Earth and Humanity embraces war. Quite the eventful battlespace. And this "Apocalypse" mini-series overall has been enjoyable.

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

"Let me tell you something about hewmons, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts; deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time...and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon." - Quark

[@witchdoctor1394]

Giving Starfleet a black eye is one thing. Losses like that are abstract and impersonal. Attacking the populace directly, especially Earth, galvanized the civilization into fighting this war with all the stops removed, gloves off, old school, curb stomping resolve humanity told everyone they'd evolved past. The Breen strike pulled up all those repressed brutal tendencies in humanity that had been dormant since WW III and gave them terrible voice.

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

@@witchdoctor1394 I've always wondered if on a societal/historical level, Man's history of martial prowess and brutality being something they vocally put behind them by the time they really got out into the galaxy contributed to their friction with the Klingons. Theirs is a society that never abandoned those sentiments and virtues, and coming into contact with one who has would have to be a major form of culture shock. Kind of how Soval justified the Vulcan POV on Humanity - they managed to recover from a nuclear holocaust, unite, and head into space in a fraction of the time it took the Vulcan people after their own apocalyptic conflict.

[@witchdoctor1394]

@@The_Lucent_Archangel the way I've always viewed the human/Klingon friction is with the humans treating the Klingons almost with kid gloves hoping that eventually they'll come around to the human standpoint of 'violence is bad' and have some crisis moment of clarity (like humanity did with the Eugenics Wars leading into the nuclear holocaust of WW III) leading to societal change. The Praxis Incident, I believe, was the event that the Federation thought would spur that change. I'm not entirely sure that it wasn't the change that the Federation hoped it was but it took A LOT longer than it took the humans to fundamentally transform the Empire. But then again, the Klingons were already a multi-planetary at that point and might've slowed that progress whereas Humanity was still essentially a single planet civilization during their revelation. Humanity never lost that brutal instinct, that killing instinct, but had just gotten so sick of it that it was relatively easy to embrace a policy of peace and a better way. That instinct is definitely, solidly there and when the chips are down (as Quark so eloquently noted) Humanity has zero problem pulling that out of their back pocket and becoming a scourge the likes of which can make the galaxy tremble under its boot. Picard's (S3) Confederation is a good illustration of that. Do Not push the Pink Skins onto thin ice...

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@The_Lucent_Archangel and Quark is proven right when the Dominion War began.

[@terranempire2]

I am reminded of the moment the Founder at the second battle of Chintoka ordered Wayun not to target escape pods. I mean sure that would have been a war crime. But her reasoning was deeply flawed. She believed that they were broken. And Wayun was as always a yes man. Those crews got rescued got new ships and were back on the line looking for payback.

[@bloodysimile4893]

Plot armor. And Breen weapon was just overpower that the show had to introduce a lazy just adjust the controls a bit for klingons to nerf it. Sure Venom did offer a explanation, that Breen is few in numbers and both sides were protecting their respective ally klingons/Breen ships. But the breen weapon was just a means to risk the stakes before the end.

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

@@bloodysimile4893 As I recall the countermeasure to the energy drain was pure accident due to one Klingon ship having just done work on their engines and it took a bit for the Alpha Quadrant forces to replicate the effect on their ships to negate the Breen weapon. It was a plot contrivance anyway, but it wasn't as easy as just changing a few minor settings.

[@rex290]

The loss of those trained crews (some of which would have been veterans/elites) would have been way more damaging then the morale hit.

[@terranempire2]

@@bloodysimile4893 The description on screen was that a Klingon BOP engineer (I imagine Tim Allen with Ridges) had been tinkering with the ship’s trillium intermix chamber which should be part of the Klingon BOP’s warp drive.

[@terranempire2]

@@rex290 That’s the point I am trying to make. The Founder was operating under a strawman argument. She believed that the Jem’Hedar were disposable and as such would happily sacrifice themselves. But the Alpha Quadrant Solids, they couldn’t. She felt that if you punched a Human, Klingon, Romulan ecta… in the nose they would run home and fly the white flag. She failed to realize that the Alpha Quadrant would simply view it as a set back. The Breen seemed to believe the same. This weapon was meant to get everyone to surrender instantly. Instead it got them to surmount it. Time and time again the Dominion has some weapons meant to break the alpha quadrant time and time again the “Inferior Solid” minds developed counters.

[@alexanderleach3365]

THe Breen attack on Earth and Starfleet HQ is the Star Trek version of Pearl Harbor.

[@merrick1588]

and they got the same response as the Japanese too

[@absboodoo]

So you are saying in 2 generation the Breens would take off their mask and become kawaii catgirl body pillow hugger?

[@merrick1588]

@@absboodoo with the ass whooping they got? I think they may end up with a culture shock and deep debt to the Ferengi...

[@garyrobbins283]

Don't recall the writers of DS9 going into nearly this much detail of how the Breen pulled this off.

[@rex290]

And just like Pearl Harbour they missed important logistical targets. IIRC the japanese missed the USN oil storage. In this case they missed the orbital shipyards over Earth and Mars. Probably had dozens, hundreds, of ships partly constructed in the docks.

[@thetraveler264]

Holy carp! What a powerful opening! Who ever did the voice work, hat is off to you two. Wow!!!!

[@pike100]

*too

[@wyoboy01]

It's a play on the intro to the Star Wars Clone Wars movie.

[@aurorajones8481]

The opening was meh to me. I felt the first quarter was ok but the last three was bang on. Overall fantastic!

[@bayarsejar5831]

@@wyoboy01yeah it is and he made into a terrific version of it for Star trek

[@tullyDT]

Thank you for the compliment it's a tiny fraction of what we recorded

[@JoacinoDaGona]

From plague, temptation and war, Starfleet, deliver us!

[@weldonwin]

From the Lightning and the Tempest, Starfleet deliver us...

[@jonathonrodriguezthomas6457]

You really have to love the idea of the Federation's defense plan, despite being largely pacifist they practice what can only be described as a defense in depth strategy where an attacker can only purchase a star system after paying dearly for it.

[@wolfehoffmann2697]

That is generally the playbook of a highly defensive nation. That and planning for asymmetrical warfare in occupied territory to make it more painful to hold onto that land they just paid harshly to take.

[@montyshaw2118]

Breen quote… “bzzzzbzbzzzbrtbzz”

[@swssm4741]

You know that really helps put this whole thing into perspective ; )

[@starbugmechanic5236]

@@swssm4741it goes without saying.

[@frankowalker4662]

I couldn't put it better myself.

[@y_knot_tri]

I need to have my universal translator adjusted.

[@dark_drakon6814]

Breen language is Truly beautiful and eloquent.

[@Shadx27]

And at one point, In STO timeline, for some reason, a few flights of Breen ships plus a command ship, somehow got destroyed. The battle removed all traces of a temporal flux.

[@captainyossarian388]

That. Was. Epic. Also heh, I thought I recognized Animarchy's voice. Good onya! Those images of a wrecked San Francisco incensed the entire Federation. Also probably likely that the fighter pilot was awarded the Starfleet Medal of Honor for saving San Francisco from further destruction.

[@matthewtulberg2252]

Wouldn't this also mean that the Federation had essentially captured a Breen ship, and could therefore study it?

[@nsr-ints]

@@matthewtulberg2252 they probably planted scuttling charges.

[@matthewtulberg2252]

@@nsr-intsYou can still learn quite a lot from the remains, both technological, and organic.

[@nsr-ints]

@@matthewtulberg2252 true enough.

[@illusiveman1613]

Its been a long journey from the romulan attempt at earth to this video - thanks for all the great content!

[@burniejarvis9298]

I'm feeling real imperium of man right now. " Starfleet probably."

[@hmsverdun]

Leftenant Graham was immediately awarded the Christopher Pike Medal of Valour for their actions and put on advanced command track with a beveret promotion to Leftenant Commander.

[@rex290]

That dude never had to pay for a drink at any bar ever again

[@ComradePhoenix]

@@rex290 To be entirely fair, I don't think anyone in a bar inside the Federation has had to pay for any drinks in about a century. Though, outside the Federation, they probably got covered by any Academy graduate, and probably any civvies from the Bay Area.

[@georgeremero4982]

I got a pitch for ya. The Yeager class is a purpose built cloak hunter specifically designed to sniff out ships under cloak, stationed at DS9 specifically to guard the wormhole. Sorta like an anti submarine destroyer.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Interesting idea...

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 yes! Have the Yeager AVENGE TERRA!

[@georgeremero4982]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Specifically I mean to infer that it's such an ungly duckling (despite being objectivly the best ship in Star Trek) because it was cobbled together in response to these events. She points that big ol sensor sweet on her nose looking for "gasious anomalies" untill she gets a good ping and then does her work with quantums and phaser cannons. Goodbye sneeky Jem'Hadar, or Breen, or Klingons, or whomevers trying to slip by before they can raise their shields.

[@LaterMercury823]

Can't wait for this video. It was worth the wait!

[@Franco18886]

Been waiting for this for so long thank you Venom

[@awedelen2]

This was a cool idea. I'd absolutely love to see y'all do more story narrations like this one.

[@stephenconroy5908]

Well, this isn't looking good... (-Captain Shelby leads the reserve-) Oh god, she's going to murder them.

[@blackoutone9797]

Well said 👍

[@davesobani9565]

Awesome video as always, you sir do trek proud

[@richardched6085]

I thought Chang's strategy was fooling Starfleet into defending targets with no strategic value and leaving Earth completely open to attack. At least in his simulated trials as seen in Klingon Academy.

[@KJAkk]

We will see if my supposition that the only reason San Francisco was still standing is that the damage seen in DS9 was caused by energy bleed through of the energizing planetary shield. I hope this is a lot better than that "Eleven Hours Out" story, that one never made sense.

[@blackoutone9797]

Did anyone else notice that the entrance to this video was the entrance to star wars the clone wars? Very well done venom geek👍

[@jessecarozza8134]

Love the nod to Tora, Tora, Tora.

[@TheEventHorizon909]

Tbf this whole attack is directly inspired by Pearl Harbor so references to the real event that TTT had depicted makes sense

[@wicksinn]

Great reenactment of the Breen attack. The last line is just Chef's kiss. Well done!

[@ryanhare8919]

Love your stuff buddy was hoping u would do an episode on this!

[@davidponseigo8811]

Wonderful, totally excellent video, thank you so much !

[@richardched6085]

26:14 the Xindi killed 7 million by cutting a swath through Florida and Venezuela in 2153. I'd say that counts as extremely heavy ordnance lol

[@jc84jc00]

Ordinance in the Star Trek usually use some form of physical shell to deliver an explosive or kinetic Warhead. Such as Photon torpedoes , as well as the mortar in the original series when the Gorn attacks Cestus III

[@darrenrenna]

Great Video! I am a Californian and used to go to San Francisco and the surrounding communities on business frequently. Very realistic breakdown of the region and how it likely be defended and attacked.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Glad I got it right. I developed a real appreciation for the unique geography of the area. Sanfrancisco is by far the superior california city

[@darrenrenna]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Haha, well San Franciscans certainly think so.....ironically between the epidemic of drugs and homelessness, the Breen would be performing a public service if they attached the city today.

[@joshk96]

"Breaking off, All units fire at will!, Pick your targets, There's to many Captain!,Watch your stabalizer Gold 6! Anybody cover I've got two Vultures on my tail!, We've got to hold them here! Watch your left! I can't shake them! I'm hit I'm hit, where's our reinforcements!!" ---------- the opening of the Clone Wars 2008 movie

[@merafirewing6591]

Damn, that was some good nostalgia, it was my first entry into the Clone Wars series.

[@tomxaros48]

WOW !! that intro gave me chills! Bravo!

[@goodnamesareallgone1]

Nice job on the trailer

[@SPatrickRoss]

Wait until the morning the Breen look up and see Starfleet ships over their homeworld.

[@Brando501st]

Amazing trek backstory video as always!

[@JJMKB]

Damn dude, this was thrilling. Subscribed👍🏻

[@Marinealver]

Fortress Earth? Just ask the Borg.

[@NCC-72545A]

Good video. It reminds me of the events leading up to and pask December 7th 1941.

[@shanenolan5625]

Wonderful work , loved the voices and art

[@donchichivagabond1578]

At the intro and getting goosebumps!

[@joshk96]

Clone Wars 2008 😏

[@aurorajones8481]

7:00 The Breen obtained all their information from the Cardassians, but NOT the Obsidian Order (they refused). The bulk of the data was gifted by the Dominion for the strike.

[@talkaboutwacky]

"For the first time in 200 years the people of Earth realized they were vulnerable" The end monologue of this video was fantastic and gave me goosebumps

[@merafirewing6591]

They have awakened a sleeping giant and filled it with a dreadful resolve, and the Breen did just that and awakened those tendencies that humans are known for since the world wars. I'd imagine alot of the 22nd and 23rd century Federation ships were reactivated almost immediately when the Breen launched their surprise attack to reinforce the beleaguered 24th century Federation starships.

[@CASA-dy4vs]

Who done brought an original intrepid and delta to the fight

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@CASA-dy4vs if you're caught with your pants down, would you be desperate enough to make use a museum relic to increase your numbers?

[@patrickmurray2662]

I’ve always assumed that the Breen executed the attack using reconnaissance from the Founders, who likely prodded them to launch the assault. Otherwise we have to believe the Breen were better at subterfuge than Romulans and bolder than Klingons. Also noteworthy, is how this attack required methodical technical knowledge and planning whilst seemingly no knowledge of the character of their enemy was factored in. It was uniquely impersonal to launch a symbolic suicide attack without factoring-in the human reaction. Quark understood the truth about humans, which is that we are only as benevolent as our circumstances allow us to be. Attack allies on our frontier, and humans negotiate. Attack our sacred Earth, and you get humans making necklaces out of trophies from the enemies they’ve killed. The Klingons understood humans, or they would’ve attacked Earth too. (Discovery notwithstanding).

[@timsimms65707]

Very well done, thank you.

[@jprice6419]

The Breen are my friends and they don't have bad breath like so many of the Gorn.

[@nathans3769]

I love Venom. Your work is incredible. I can’t wait to see operation return or some of the final battles of the war

[@seanking2860]

Federation Council after this attack - right time to go full terran empire on the breen

[@darwinxavier3516]

The Federation creates doomsday weapons on the regular by complete accident. Imagine if they decided to launch Genesis devices at Breen worlds. Or decided to really make the Founders pay by putting changelings into tubes and slowly killing them as some kind of power source.

[@TheBigExclusive]

Nice video, but I don't believe a fleet would just sit quietly inside Spacedock until they fixed the doors. If the doors malfunctioned during an attack, the fleet would probably just blow open the doors with torpedoes or phasers.

[@miamijules2149]

And risk destabilizing the station? You’re forgetting, even a low order explosion - within the shield matrix - is several orders of magnitude beyond an atomic explosion. There was no way to guarantee you wouldn’t just blow half the damn thing up IN ORBIT and kill many many millions when it all came raining down.

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@miamijules2149 they wouldn't even care what the risks are because they're not sitting idling inside the spacedock.

[@TheBigExclusive]

@@miamijules2149 - they could still slice the doors open with phasers. Earth is being attacked. There is no way they Captains of those ships would just sit there not doing anything.

[@STSWB5SG1FAN]

I imagine the one thing this attack taught the uppers at StarFleet HQ would be to diversify their command and control structure, the same way the US did during the Cold War (and still does).

[@shanenolan5625]

Iv been looking forward to this . ( Christopher lee voice)

[@tomxaros48]

One of your best video!

[@Sephiroth144]

Nice to hear the Cerritos helping to save the day (well, keep it from getting worse)

[@Uchilsson]

That was very good! Great job man!

[@Noms_Chompsky]

Great viddie! I really enjoyed it

[@garyrobbins283]

Massive props to Capt Shelby.

[@ThatSlowTypingGuy]

Considering that TOS Era starships were known to be able to glass planets with their phasers, they got off light.

[@alanmike6883]

Considering how far breen space Is away it was impressive

[@JohnnySqueaky]

It was necessary writing to increase the drama for the series. It really is impossible to have succeeded at all given the state of all things…and if they really wanted to devastate the federation then why didn’t they use their energy dissipaters and eliminate utopia planitia earth star base earths defense fleet and then just sit in orbit and lay waste to the planet surface almost mockingly waiting for reinforcements to arrive only to be incapacitated as well and getting a front row seat to the end of the federation…oh right…cause the attack wasn’t feasible as presented except to prolong the war until the series finale so they could end the show with a pathetic battle sequence that doesn’t match either battle of chinktoka much less the brilliance of sacrifice of angels. Like that was a mid season battle sequence that we all know had a lower budget and time constraint than a finale would…we deserved better than a few phaser blasts with Breen ships included and then a replay of the last 2 seasons of battle sequences and even a scene from generations when the bird of prey exploded….like come on yall…a massive invasion fleet goes into cardassia. Don’t show us replays. Show a battle that we talk about more than sacrifice of angels. Remember the operation return episodes were supposed to be mid season…so when they became episodes 5&6 instead the time to do all the sequences was suddenly and massively reduced…yall had 18months to prepare sequences for the final battle. And all we got was replay and a few phaser shots from a stationary galaxy class ship and a Klingon attack cruiser firing a single blast at a jemhadar battlecruiser which wasn’t firing…and evasive maneuvers pattern omega isn’t a 360 loop to come in behind the 2 jemhadar ships who were behind u and are vastly more maneuverable and wouldn’t have been out maneuvered like that….bht what do I know?

[@TheBigExclusive]

Wait - what happened to the Breen Energy draining weapon? I thought that's the main reason the Breen Fleet got so close to Earth.

[@lyinarbaeldeth2456]

They didn't have that ready to deploy until some time after this battle. They got in close to Earth through stealth and deception.

[@rafale1981]

Why would the federation tolerate „privateers“ inside their territory? Aren’t they responsible for upholding order and shouldn’t that make private/state sanctioned mercenary forces illegal?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Space is Very very Busy. Merchant vessels and privateers are a part of life in the 24th century.

[@scarling9367]

History is full.of mercenaries and privateers. We have them to this day.

[@nekophht]

It might be a matter of priorities. When a galactic war is going on, minor privateering is probably pretty low on the list to deal with, unless the privateering does something to make it a higher priority.

[@lovenicholson]

Very nicely done.

[@danielsuarez3198]

Loved the story. Definitely up there with the non-canon titled "11 hours out" with the enterprise playing a major role during the battle.

[@aurorajones8481]

What a fantastic breif of the attack.

[@Fluffinator129]

In our next exciting installment, the Breen learn why you don't touch the boats

[@aurorajones8481]

26:15 Um correct me if im wrong but did the Xindi not cut a big ass swath of land right through Florida miles long, deep and wide AF? Call me crazy but that was pretty successful and that was after WWIII so.

[@aurorajones8481]

Or are you saying that attack was 200 years ago? All these sci fi time lines... I feel like a temporal agent.

[@jamesm783]

This would be an AMAZING battle to make into film, especially Lt.Greyham's dive after the Breen Flagship

[@DimoB8]

Good to see the Cerritos joining in the battle, probably turned the tide by themselves

[@WillFredward7167]

Overall this is epic and terrifying and had me fully invested. But I did notice one deeply amusing detail: Just like the movie San Andreas, it was assumed that an *inland* earthquake would somehow cause a tsunami, AND that the tsunami would move toward the source of the earthquake rather than away from it. So my headcannon reworks that detail so that the seismic charges caused an earthquake in the Pacific

[@Meritania]

I mean there have been times where Earth has been attacked by enigmatic enemies trashing the frontier forces and making a bee-line for Earth. V’ger, the Whale Probe, the Borg, the Scimitar. If I was Starfleet, I’d keep the Enterprise a day’s warp away at maximum range.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

"...and he would only have a couple of moments until Commander Shelby was on top of him." I could think of worse fates.

[@AndersonNeo12]

Fantastic work 🖖

[@tougheddie7297]

A damm fine video, sir.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

Venom Geek my brother, I admire your talent, enjoy your videos, and acknowledge the sometimes overwhelming scope and scale of the task you've undertaken without showing any signs of frustration or hesitation regarding your overall ability to finish what you've set out to accomplish. I'm thoroughly chuffed that you're a fellow Trekologist and have focused your efforts on providing us all with these enjoyable vignettes. BUT!... As a sharper mind than mine once noted during battle, "[your] thinking is two-dimensional." By this, I mean why wouldn't the Breen (or any attacker targeting Earth and aware of the Sol system's defensive emplacements) avoid approaching along the ecliptic plane-the plane in which most planets orbit due to the system's formation from a protoplanetary disk? Instead, they could move out of plane and approach from the Z-axis, bypassing both the planets and the protection of the Moon and other orbital installations, which predominantly orbit Earth's equator in a latitudinal procession. The band in which geosynchronous satellites reside is a narrow channel centered around the equator, with a height difference of only about 200 to 300 kilometers between apogee and perigee. This band begins at an altitude of approximately 35,786 kilometers. Given the advanced technology available in the Star Trek universe, it would be trivial for any attacker to avoid this region entirely. With a 3D view of the Sol system, approaching Earth from outside the plane of planetary orbits would be an obvious and superior strategy to avoid most defenses. I would love to hear your thoughts on my observation, if you'd be so kind. Thanks!

[@CllrP]

Nice work!

[@thecozman1]

I think the Breen strategy was brilliant, they went to all that effort and planning and then didnt bring weapons that would leave earth a radioactive wasteland forever is a bit strange.

[@miamijules2149]

You must be some kind of genius or something Venom…. I mean…. damn hermano,…

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

thank you very much. im glad you enjoyed

[@0utc4st1985]

If the Breen knew so much about the Federation then surely they would have known they couldnt possibly win. One would think anyway.

[@davidbricejr.7340]

its wasn't about victory it was to show how weak the federation was and make them bleed

[@0utc4st1985]

@@davidbricejr.7340 I should have been more clear, they should have known they couldn't win the war.

[@davidbricejr.7340]

@@0utc4st1985 they knew it wasn't about winning it was to prove a point remember at the time the rom empire did not fight until there senator was killed

[@Traven158]

I'm surprised at how tame you went with this one. The whole point of that DS9 episode was the Federation losing its plot armor so the newly introduced Breen could hand them their behinds on a silver platter. Especially how we see the Federation later, I would have expected far more devastation: millions dead, destruction in every major city, at least one Sovereign destroyed with the majority of the Home Fleet.

[@joshuafranklin1399]

This is Star Trek, not 40K. The writers would never allow such war crimes to happen. Let's be honest, if this was written realistic the Dominion would make use this chance to make the sun go nova and completely destroy the entire Sol System. To send a message to the entire Alpha quadrant. Surround or die.

[@shmee123ful]

venom, you said earth hadn't faced direct attack since the end of world war three. but didnt the zindi attack on earth with the prototype battel sphere kill millions and leave a scar across the united sates?

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

Just one state, really. Poor Florida. Also by that logic, the incident with the Verteron Array kind of counts as a direct attack / threat on Earth and that happened after the Xindi arc. Even if it was by homegrown terrorists.

[@lyinarbaeldeth2456]

Florida and ... Venezuela, I think? Along with vaporizing several million gallons of water in the Gulf of Mexico.

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

@@lyinarbaeldeth2456 Been a while since I watched Enterprise, so wouldn't remember if the beam cut into South America. Was a real brazen move on their part either way, and alerted Earth. If they'd tested the weapon on a planet a comparable distance from their space instead odds are the actual attack would have come out of nowhere. I'm sure Daniels would have tried to warn Archer anyway, but without something concrete like that first "test" I doubt the brass would have let the NX-01 take off on a random, long term mission like that.

[@neocapricornman614]

Could be wrong but i don't think that the federation existed at the time of the zindi attack. That along with the Romulan/earth war led to the creation of the federation. Strickly speaking one is right but i think that earth and the fed are being looked at interchangeably? I dunno. 👀

[@Noms_Chompsky]

I don't think any source material used would have gone back and updated themselves following Enterprise's Temporal Cold War: 'um, actually' DENIED! Wha ha ha ha ha ahhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Eggs before chickens because fish lay eggs too, neener neener neener Time Bandit

[@VkmSpouge]

It was an audacious attack that proved if you were willing to lose an entire fleet of ships you can in fact inflict damage upon one city/metro area on Earth.

[@robmcelwee389]

One of your best vids. But didn't the earth get attacked by the Xindi? Or is that canon?

[@terrencejones9817]

Nice Video but the numbers are correct. In DS9 is made clear that the 3rd fleet constantly protects earth.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

That's earlier in the war when the dominion was on earth's doorstep

[@terrencejones9817]

@venomgeekmedia9886 The Dominion was never on Earth's Door step. During the Lead up to Sacrifice Of Angel's. Damar says that the 2nd and 5th fleet pulled out of the fighting Vulcan border. Now, the border isn't defined, but Vulcan was in space for thousands of years before Joining the Federation. It is highly likely that Vulcan has significant holding and small colonies outside of their own star system. We also know that the operation return was to be made up of 3 feels total. 2nd ,5th, and 9th. Being that it's said on screen that the Dominion had 1254 ships at the battle, and the Federation fleet was out numbered 2:1 , with the 9th fleet or the Klingons showing up means that 2 Federation fleets numbered at least 625 ships. These fleets had been engaged in combat in Vulcan space for months as well. It's possible the Average Federation fleet had more ships too. I would say it's reasonable to assume that the the 3rd fleet numbered at least 300 ships. Considering how highly defensive the Federation is, I doubt the 3rd fleet was ever deployed from earth, except for made the final push at the end of the war.

[@richardched6085]

One beta canon account had casualties at 22 million lol. Others like Star Trek Online have it as low as 2147.

[@Mrs.Grave5433]

I’ve got to be honest idk which number feels more believable. Maybe a number like 50,000 or 137,500. Or maybe I’m just not picking. Man DS9 really did fill out star trek’s lore.

[@andreisrr]

Oh boy, how that reminds of Yamamoto's alleged words :-)

[@trustin.p9504]

Very well done.👍🖖

[@shanenolan5625]

I remember the dominion war source book at a different details. A larger fleet . On parol near mars ambushed and destroyed. And blulock and his gleet coming to reinforce. There were more casualties they hit the power snd communication grid as well. And struck paris , new yotk snd Beijing. ( last two just because of large civilian population) it took two weeks to restor power . But the desth toll was in the millions. They destroyed the federation building in paris office of the president. Star gleet lost . Around 200 ships . It didn't say how they managed to get to earth . Enterprise was present. I believe.

[@volrosku.6075]

so when are we glassing the breen homeworld?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Ask the romulans...

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

When the time is right, Crewman. When the rime is right. - MCPO Foley

[@joshk96]

Helldivers are ready to deploy 🫡

[@nsr-ints]

@@joshk96 Speaking of which, what do you think about the Confederation of Earth from Picard? Sound suspiciously Super Earth-y, don't you think?

[@joshk96]

@@nsr-ints Very Xenophobic indeed

[@heels4lyfewrestlingpodcast]

Breen did something the klingons never attempted to do.... attack earth and succeed

[@merrick1588]

true, but that may be because the Klingons figured out what the response looked like and decided it was too costly... They do have a good idea every now and then

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

@@merrick1588 If you take STD seriously, the Klingons made it almost as far as the Borg did with almost no response or opposition. Which is one of the reasons I don't put much stock in it.

[@merrick1588]

@@The_Lucent_Archangel I do not take STD seriously at all

[@nsr-ints]

Not really succeed. They got their arse handed to them...

[@heels4lyfewrestlingpodcast]

@@nsr-ints were we watching the same video or seen the ds9 episode? Yes the breed attacked earth but more importantly starfleet headquarters. No one has EVER done that even general martok was shocked. Yes was the majority of the breen fleet destroyed yes but that's not narrative. The breen sent a loud statement to the federation and wow

[@tommyclements7360]

Yo venom you forgot about the xindi weapon from enterprise apart from that .... well done sir.

[@damocles8417]

The Breen turn out to be rebellious human colonists from the past…

[@ericmorang3903]

Oh that? Don't worry about it, just a group of runabouts coming in from Mars. It's on the schedule.

[@JohnnySqueaky]

Do we know when the 3rd fleet that was tasked to earth during operation return was reassigned leaving earth undefended? I always thought 3rd fleet was comprised of ships not ready for the front lines and had been reassigned to home fleet…but even then best of both worlds earth defenses at Jupiter and mars defense perimeter still responded to a single ship threat…but a home fleet and a star base capable of holding off an attack from within when the borg virus allowed a huge portion of the federation fleet to plaster the base for hours while Picard and crew went to the fleet museum board and activate the enterprise D and bring it back…none of those defenses were ready for an attack of any kind? Breen or otherwise…and when did starfleet start naming their ships after the Klingon homeworld?…maybe in 31st century after they were federation members

[@TheBigExclusive]

150K casualties seems way too low. Should be in the millions I think.

[@johnn9977]

Super great work top of the line information.

[@kookoobrick54]

I'm reminded of my favorite quote from Anaxar, "don't push the pink skins onto thin ice".