The Burning Platform: OneSA vs The DA

[@enricoabrahams5061]

after this video was slammed by the media I thought that it would be improper to agree with them based on a few soundbites and actually watch the WHOLE video.....so after watching the WHOLE video, I get a different picture from what is presented in the media, and now I'm subscribed to this channel :P :P :P All publicity is good, thank the media :P

[@pierrembadenhorstt]

same here

[@jeannevanrensburg9604]

Never trust MSM

[@dannyabreu8722]

Hey Gareth, I fired Nando's, their chicken isn't as good as it was anyway...

[@thabisopharoo5605]

Black South Africans care about their feelings! we need to care about getting things done not be on our feelings about "Ooo that dude is racist" let's make our people's lives better that's the most important issue right now.

[@nicokoert8153]

Dude you liked by many whites right now lol but just mention apartheid you'll see and feel feelings change loooo

[@suziQ0110]

John - show some respect : you can say her name …. It’s Mudzuli…. Try it .. it’s not difficult. You’re condescending and quite frankly conceited. Well done Mudzuli - you conducted yourself with dignity and humility. Kudos to you!

[@vut_zarco]

Oh please

[@sanelemeyiwa]

👏🏽

[@malibongweboya8742]

👏

[@vut_zarco]

👎

[@jonodouglas]

Maybe because of his up bringing he can not pronounce her name? I know of alot of Zulu and isiXhosa speaking people who struggle to pronounce Afrikaans names. Why make an issue about it? Mudzuli didn't stand her ground, it was a political debate and she kept speaking about her feelings and emotions, very unprofessional. If you watched the whole thing she was busy on her phone uninterested and she didn't know the full story on most of the issues.

[@bridgettebetwells4544]

I like how Mudzuli kept it together even when Gareth made a mockery of her. Now that's emotional intelligence.

[@franciszvigo5615]

"No matter how you clean up a pig, it will always return into the swamp" profound African proverb

[@bafongalo8156]

I agree as Africans say, there is no grave on earth big enough to bury an elephant as it were.

[@franciszvigo5615]

@@IanMulwitsky racism can't be hiden by speaking in tongues

[@franciszvigo5615]

@@IanMulwitsky this wise African wisdom has turned a racist red and jumped deep into the swamp!

[@richardmarshall1647]

@@franciszvigo5615 you probably think dogs are racist when they bark at you.

[@etiennejoubert7461]

Mudzuli certainly shows that she is able to build an argument and she does so respectfully.

[@luhellin196]

Nandos cancelled Gareth over this? Smh. Soft.

[@nomfundoshange1o]

Honestly people need to grow a pair 🤧

[@shereenvanschoor3456]

Mr Steenhuisen, it would be a good example set if you could say her name! not "the other guest"... I'm wondering if this is a sign of how women will continue to be treated in this country??????? SAY HER NAME..... MUDZULI RAKHIVHANE. I promise you wont choke!! Unless of course the struggle is with pronunciation???

[@moosterc1736]

I would be more honourable to make a fair attempt at the pronunciation and fail than no attempt at all.

[@ShisnoGaming]

Good thing you didn't pick up when he switched to "honourable member" and those connotations

[@tonitappous2422]

You are all nit - picking while our country is in deep crisis!!

[@felixkube3238]

If it was for pronounciation, this man truly is a clown. Making the language issue his own 🤡

[@erileneheinsen14]

He was so passive aggressive.

[@trevormantshoane8026]

Not to minimise the relevance of racism, but I agree with Cliff. Debates on race continue to be used by politicians to distract from urgent substantial issues on the ground... It's a fact 😊

[@timbawangu3038]

Correct

[@nathinyc2923]

I don't see anything wrong done by Cliff...We are a very sensitive society. His points are valid

[@markmall7142]

Cliff is to straight to the point for todays woke sensitige society.

[@mosamoloto7474]

Whose phone is on???? It’s irritating.

[@dmballadon]

As a white man who grew up in post apartheid SA I have to say this was handled really poorly. The interview could’ve been done differently. Gareth should’ve been more aware of how she might’ve felt trying to silence her after years of black South Africans voices being silenced. Everybody’s opinion is of value and to dismiss that - regardless of race - is terrible

[@johannesstander7886]

He unapologetically stopped the discourse of because of my sex and race I'm relevant rather than the substance of my argument. South Africa will be far better of if we focus more on substance rather than racial makeup. It's a manicipal election debate for goodness sake!

[@mpillosifeukzn]

"He must be aware of how anyone would feel if they silence them"

[@simphiwerini9652]

Gareth your white privilage even before you were born was determined on race. Now that you have all that you have race doesnt matter anymore. How selfish and ignorant is that. This country is racially divided period.

[@simphiwerini9652]

Divided by your ancestors

[@briansosibo5562]

Nandos must stop sponsoring this nonsense

[@tremaine861]

Remember after all of this is done that we still have to address loadshedding, poor service delivery, corruption. Let's not get too distracted.

[@JF-NG]

Unfortunately SA cant seem to not get distracted by race. While we argue about who is more hurt and insulted, povery grows and people suffer. All very sad.

[@paddymathekga3097]

Racism must be addressed as well.

[@JF-NG]

@@paddymathekga3097 i dont think anyone disputes that, but when people are dying because of the poverty conditions they live in, I think we have more important things to worry about. Let get our priorities straight.

[@feliztudor9463]

@@paddymathekga3097 Why? Honestly, why? why do we have to police other people's thoughts and biases as long as they leave us alone to get on?

[@richardmarshall1647]

@@paddymathekga3097 Where it exists and should be accompanied with a charge with SAPS/SAHRC. This is not an example unfortunately for you.

[@markwarnerza]

that cellphone is annoying

[@Everything_BAIC_Beijing]

typical SA - as soon as someone opens their mouth, they get shut down or are called a racist.

[@Everything_BAIC_Beijing]

And I also subscribed after seeing this :)

[@john-ernestfogwell264]

I now watched this entire. I think all the participants handled themselves excellent !!! This was a actually an excellent interview. Gareth professionally "baited" both delegates. I am shocked that Nando's, known for pushing the envelope, shows such cowardness.

[@warrenphillips69]

I've canceled Nandos from my diet indefinitely.

[@CanDice-tn8xs]

This interview comes across like a advertorial for the DA. I wonder if the interviewer is getting paid or if he's just canvassing on their behalf?

[@amm7088]

@ cock dice , you clearly don’t know Gareth Cliff ,Rather you refrain from posting rubbish, GARETH says it like it is , he pulls no punches

[@Lorna_Targaryen]

That sounds about right…

[@warrenphillips69]

Only because she's not in Johns league.

[@wernerziemerink]

Well done Garath! Keep the focus on real problems in this country. Blaming everything on racism has long lost it's weight, and now the real problems should be put on the table.

[@trevisclarman3136]

Looks like Gareth and John formed a coalition here....... Grilling that girl yoh u 2 guys where where nasty.... Gareth looks like he is definitely a DA supporter.....

[@Hair-today]

Who is not a DA supporter? We have to be to get the ANC out.

[@mircagardenman7629]

DA, PA or ActionSA. Get the ANC the Fuck outta there.

[@rofhigerthrude5962]

Agreed!!!!

[@k9fangamvs53]

@@mircagardenman7629 You forgot EFF. That's the party I'm unapologetically voting for.

[@enkosikhohliso3950]

@@Hair-today 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jooshj2399]

Gareth Cliff has the right to freedom of speech, just like we all do!! If the lady couldn’t hold her own in the debate, that’s her own fault. John handled himself perfectly 👌👌

[@lethumchunu8188]

Ai siyakuzwa nduna🤧

[@mikewildthing]

If the parties did not focus on race but rather the condition of SA and how to fix it. The racial war is breaking SA and used to cover up real issues.

[@siba_n]

Racism is what this country is built on... ignoring it won't solve anything. Certain issues have larger effects on certain races. That is the condition of South Africa.

[@kylefleming7680]

It's easy to talk like that when you aren't marginalized. Our country was literally built on the carcass of a white supremacist state, the issues inherent inside that system left the majority population of the country with zero wealth, education, infrastructure and so on. There's been little impetus to fix these problems and the lack of skills within our governance is very apparent. What is definitely an issue is the nationalism within all the political parties which all have interests aligned in protectionism and closed border policy. It's regressive and damages the economy by miniaturising the labour pool.

[@JF-NG]

Siba & Kyle, I think you missing the point regarding non-racialism. Instead of focusing on how black people are we should be focusing on how poor people are. We need move away from superficial things like race that only divide and upset people and rather focus on the problems that we inherited from Apartheid. We should focus on poverty. So instead of focusing on what people look like and rather focusing on their actions we able to hold a government accountable for outcomes that affect the people that need help the most. When we focus on skin colour we have the most powerful elite able to create a system that they only benefit from because your basic measurements are only skin colour. What they do and say is not measured. When you focus on peoples actions you are able to recognise the effort of white people helping poor people just as much as black people helping poor people. When you focus on poverty without skin colour all effort can be praised and lack of action criticised equally. I have never heard a single white person say don't help the poor, don't build schools in poor communities, don't give out title deeds for people living on state land. Our problems we face are poverty and a government that is purposefully seeking to keep the poor, poor and dependant on the state. The EFF and ANC don't want the black majority to uplift themselves to a better life and future because then they will loose control of the black majority. Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Jean-Bédel Bokassa, Macias Nguema. African leaders have been using the same recipe book to exploit their people for decades. Often with violence but always with pointing finger at somebody else while they rob, cheat and steal. Its the British, Its the Americans, its the white people, its the foreigners, its the private sector, its the Indian's. All of this finger pointing based on some narrow stereotype always move the conversation away from the problem, and the problem is poverty, huge amounts of poverty. Why are we not talking about ways that we can incentivize some rich white house wife living in Cape Town or Sandton with a tax breaks when she pays for her domestics children to go a private school. The only way we can solve our biggest problems is by bringing people together, not by tearing them apart. When we focus on skin colour we drive people apart and move away form the problem. When we focus on poverty we bring people together and move closer to the problem.

[@amm7088]

@@kylefleming7680 not sure under which rock you are stuck in . Think before you ink

[@jaconwood]

@@JF-NG Powerful words! Maturity speaking. There are so many toys outside the cot. Too many think good governance is about wielding power and self- enrichment and not about serving ALL communities.

[@nothandonxumalo4460]

I don't believe or think that Gareth is a racist . He should have acknowledged her experience and her feelings but this whole saga is taken out of context...the lady naye was moving away from what was discussed

[@vuyisananimkhize9909]

Even so that doesn’t justify whatever Gareff said .

[@damiankok3549]

He isn't racist but he ignorant in the sense that he doesn't see how race is closely aligned to your experiences in our society. She wasn't going off topic, she was explaining her experience and that of MANY women of colour. That's why this story became so big. He dismissed that.

[@Hellstothenaw]

Damian...nothing to do with race...all to do with culture. The colour of your skin does not speak for you.

[@damiankok3549]

@@Hellstothenaw It actually does for every ignorant person. If choose to talk over someone instead of listening to them explain their experience for you to understand like in this example? You'll continue to project internalized racism like he is doing right now. How is he as a white man able to say that black women don't share the same experience as this woman? How did he come to this conclusion?

[@siyafaith5615]

This generation of acknowledge my feelings is truly annoying, I don't have to acknowledge nobody's feelings cliff did nothing to her why must he apologise

[@roku6ix]

it's also really insulting when John wants to go into hero-mode about the "1100 extra police police available in the city of Cape Town" when that police presence is nowhere to be seen when gang violence arises and communities in that very same Cape Town are left helpless

[@abduragmaanabrahams1908]

This👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@JF-NG]

The thousands extra police is significant. 1. they doing national governments job. No one else has that and even the DA have admitted it not enough and if they can get more out of the next budget they will. And I have heard nothing but good things about the LEAP officers. Your comment is the first i have seen. So excuse me if I dont believe you.

[@JF-NG]

@@fin2643 i say I dont believe her because I have only heard good things about the DA LEAP officer programme with people praising it. And no I dont live in a DA municipality, I wish I was then maybe were I lived would not look so run down and falling apart with crime out of control.

[@mosiditlhokoe9334]

@@abduragmaanabrahams1908 I lived in Cape Town for 4 years and I did not feel the presence of the extra police.

[@tonitappous2422]

@@mosiditlhokoe9334 The Leap programme is new, it has only recently been launched!

[@gertpietersen6287]

Race is nothing but a distraction from poor service delivery. Having said that, Gareth could have handled the "red herring" better.

[@Zenani_m]

I pray Black people become capitalists and not the victims of it, cause it's the one reason why we will always have these racism conversations. Oppression is all we know, but we never do anything revolutionary to change our situations.

[@bulalipepeteka7459]

Capitalism exists through the exploitation of the working class, which is largely made up of black people. Turning into capitalists is not the solution

[@PrincessWithoutLand]

@@bulalipepeteka7459 there are a number of companies that profit without exploiting their workforce. Maybe we should focus on seeing how we can use capitalism to our advantage rather than seeing money as an enemy.

[@boondocksripoff2237]

You can’t replace white capitalism with black capitalism xD 🤦‍♂️

[@dilemomolaoa1261]

@@boondocksripoff2237 let's not assign human traits to an economic system.

[@dilemomolaoa1261]

@@bulalipepeteka7459 what would be your solution, Communism? Socialism?

[@SenzoHD]

Immediately after Mudzuli said "apartheid" I lost faith in OneSA.

[@mircagardenman7629]

As a Black Man, im Sick of the Apartheid discussion.

[@UberAV]

@@mircagardenman7629 are you black South African man? I'm a white guy that lives in North Philadelphia Pennsylvania USA and South Africa looks to be in disarray and yet it's a beautiful country with so much going for it. What's the deal? Do you get the feeling that we're all being shaken and prepared for a hard landing and major problems? That's my impression, that forces outside our national ones are in a power struggle that is causing global rumbles. There is only one race, human. I read that the other day and it struck me. I may have read it a million times but that time it struck me. It doesn't take much research to understand that dividing people based on victimhood is much the same as ethnic division. If there is one race, human, then we are not divided based on race but ethnicity. The worst thing for those people in positions of power is mass ethnically diverse shows of unity and and mass non-compliance with criminal governance. They drive us apart for power and no other reason. We're going through terrible things in the US and I fear the worst is yet to come.

[@mircagardenman7629]

@@UberAV I hear you. We South Africans are at our worst at the moment. But it's Darkness comes before the Dawn. Our Eyes are slowly being opened. S.A. Will rise again.

[@UberAV]

@@mircagardenman7629 here's one I learned from experience as a child: "When stacking cord wood, start with the nearest piece until you're done." With wood it's easy to figure out which piece is nearest but in life it's a bit harder but the analogy still applies. Keep at it.

[@mircagardenman7629]

@@UberAV will do Sir/Mam. God Bless...

[@murambopj4677]

SA is a complex place. Race is a problem. Service delivery is a problem. Fix both.

[@maryduplessis2510]

Race isn't a problem. You have eaten the fruit of left wing ideology. What is on top of the agenda for all people is jobs. at 74% unemployment it is crucial that we pay attention to that and stop cadre deployment by the ANC where incompetent people are put in positions and incapable of running these departments and where tender fraud is rife. It affects everybody down to the poorest of the poor. It is only politicians who rate racism as as a priority because it is a diversion from the extremely bad policies they are intent on pushing such as EWC and also BBBEE. Neither of these policies bring in investment and in fact chase away potential investors who bring jobs and training which we truly need. I have no patience with people who push the race narrative in order to gain more votes. It doesn't work and has never worked. If you want Cuba or Venezuela style government then rather go there.

[@giagia4631]

Cancel ANC!

[@murambopj4677]

@@maryduplessis2510 I agree with what you say and you have valid points. However I urge you to lead with empathy. There are South African kids who resort to dancing by the robots for pocket change, and there are South African kids who owns horses. Both are South Africa. My point is we have an unequal distribution of wealth and service delivery caused by ANC and apartheid. I say , let’s fix them both!!! That is our duty as South Africans

[@MrSadikiboy]

It's white people like you that further convince me that white people should never rule sa again... Race is real... Very much alive in SA... You will never understand you are not black.. You don't go through 2 hour meetings at work in Afrikaans, or never get paid fair salary when working just as hard... Or being charged higher interest rates... Or jobs that say must speak Afrikaans but the job clearly can be done in English.. Just stop commenting on what you don't know...

[@allmyuzik8166]

@@maryduplessis2510 what you wrote here is complete nonsense. Racism is the root of this "poor service delivery" if you must know.

[@michaelsathekge3262]

👏🏽 I’m a big fan of Mr Cliff! He’s straight to it! Well done!

[@Hair-today]

Yaas! This makes me so happy to see a good looking young black man so clever!

[@sifisozondo3121]

😂😂😂No more Nandos money!!!

[@lindakumalo2211]

It's funny how Gareth dismissed this poor lady's 'anedotes' cos 'hes not interested in identity politics' yet he closed the show off with his own anecdote...

[@lest3136]

Exactly. He's full of sh*t

[@tonitappous2422]

@@sfisomagoso5789 So you want to vote for very destructive EFF policies that will destroy our economy, just because you think the EFF are more educated??? The very policies chosen by the EFF clearly show you that they are not!!

[@tonitappous2422]

@@sfisomagoso5789 The only way we can save South Africa and the ONE economy we all share, is by standing together and putting the COUNTRY first !! That will have the effect of fixing everything for everyone!! If not, we will all sink together!

[@LloydVenske]

@@sfisomagoso5789 lol. Welcome to 2021

[@tonitappous2422]

We can never discuss or debate anything because of identity politics- cancel culture must fall!!

[@katlegomohajane1588]

I do not agree with some of the things that Gareth said but he has a point in somewhere. I do not go to sleep thinking about racism, but a lot of the things that I worry about is because of the ripple effects of a racist system that lasted centuries and manifested itself in the Apartheid era. I am going to subscribe to this show, its direct and intriguing, JJ Tabane should be invited.

[@samsonmarikwa2631]

You don't go to sleep thinking about racism but still have a lot of things you worry about because of the ripple effects of a racist system. I find that statement conflicted. Personally, I think the DA should be clear that it is not about protecting the gains made from a racist system but ensuring that where possible those who were left behind are brought to an equal footing in the distribution of wealth. I think these issues are clearly articulated by both Mashaba and Maimane and more radically by EFF. As for the ANC, it has maintained the status quo and only made it possible for those who are politically connected to amass wealth by corrupt means.

[@vut_zarco]

Well done Gareth and John. Don't ever apologise to people trying to cancel you.

[@chumasande]

why does Gareth keep saying "we"?? Whose the "we" he keeps referring to cos I'm certain it's not the 90% of this country's population. Yt folks are very good at dismissing racism as if it's something that doesn't exist.

[@hendriklerou4902]

Gareth outstanding interview. Hard hitting and to the point. People are so darn soft these days.

[@MrSadikiboy]

Racist

[@tamarelouw]

The buzzing is so irritating

[@DoRo_Lungani]

Bru 😑😑😑

[@amandantshiba]

Not a fan of OneSA... kodwa kee Sisi qhubeka ngomsebenzi omhle ✊. Ayasaba amagwala

[@XhosaShinobi01]

yep, she's doing better than me. I'm just sitting at home wishing things to be better... makaqhubeke usisi

[@khongelanishiluvana3467]

I still can’t believe how Garreth let John bring up race in his arguments, and he dismissed this lady when she wanted to bring up race. I really don’t get it.

[@Hair-today]

Nobody gives a toss. We here about politics

[@sbutilatha5505]

Debate was just purely robust and Lady didn't hold any punches back throughout either. Of course race issues remain sensitive in this country but from this specific sitting perspective, I don't see anything wrong here. It was just a robust and frank debate, this country needs it 🔥🔥🔥

[@warren1743]

I agree 100% it's healthy

[@thandiempondo5859]

Yhooo, it's not yet uHuru in South Africa it's easy to throw any word around please be sensitive Gareth especially when you are dealing with racism do not say nobody cares.It',s fine when you say you do mot care.

[@nabtune]

Only white people will agree with you

[@AnythingReviewedHub]

Bring in Herman Mashaba Gareth.

[@Vhusi0003]

He was on a previous episode already

[@Coder-fz4gg]

I listened to the whole debate and now i subscribed to this channel. Gareth was direct to her, she shifts the whole statement to the black women in South Africa.

[@janetstead7032]

Strategic voting is vital on Nov 1

[@khutsolekoadi1529]

I love this African Queen

[@anthonsaays6714]

The official opposition is a marketing slogan - there's no such thing. You win or you lose elections OFFICIALLY, and then you OFFICIALLY gain representation of your constituents as allowed by the LAW in council or parliament - which is how things become OFFICIAL i.e. by LAW. You can't hypnotize people into voting for you because you've drowned out every other opinion - it is ONE person, ONE vote NOT ONE person TWO choices.

[@Herunikoshima]

There is nothing racist about this. I don't understand what the fuss is about. Watch the whole thing and ignore the misdirecting media narrative.

[@sadierams3462]

Thabo Gabela us blacks every thing that a white man says/does to blacks is racist. Some just jump in the bandwagon withiout seeing the video. I am sick of this word !!! RACIST.

[@TJ-my9nh]

You are gullible that's why

[@christophermccreanor]

The DA guest has demonstrated his true colours for not addressing Mudzuli by her name! It is a pity that this conversation was the downfall of the show! You've made great contributions Gareth and I doubt that you'll have Mudzuli on the show again because Nandos cancelled!

[@objectivelyobserving6434]

I hope that's not a double entendre on black people and chicken otherwise you'll be wothy of PhD syndrome

[@goldenoldiesafrikaner2643]

I love the fact that the DA generate their own electricity. One sure way of broadening this initiative is to make use of ocean current technology

[@Hair-today]

DA municipalities will procure their own electricity. No more load shedding if you vote DA into power.

[@dailyfx1415]

@@Hair-today lol

[@shuaibjohnson1384]

@@Hair-today CoCt residents still experience loadshedding. literally right no actually.

[@giagia4631]

What does that mean? We still experiencing high tariffs and loadshedding... so clearer this is irrelevant

[@Hair-today]

If you voted ANC then you only have yourself to blame. I’m sitting with rolling blackouts too. Thanks to the parasitic ANC who haven’t maintained power stations for 27 years.

[@vonkderidder8494]

I watched a documentary about Madagascar yesterday. Just like Africa, when the colonizers moved out the local corrupt, useless government turned the once flourishing country into a toilet. Exactly what happened in the rest of Africa. When will the bantus realize that they are inadequate to govern and that they should welcome adequate people to assist them. Why live like dogs in the mud? Come now people.

[@grannyfaster3220]

I watched the video now for the first time and I wonder how many people watched the whole 59 minutes before passing judgement. I think everyone was cordial, Gareth maybe a bit less because he was running the show. I think he dragged John a lot about what the DA has done wrong or not done when they should have. I think both party members gave each other plenty of space to speak which was great, we wouldn't have seen that if the EFF or ANC had've been there but it did get a bit heated and John looked like we all do when someone is fighting and you aren't involved and you don't know where to look with a nervous face or what to do with himself because there is nothing you can say in that situation. Gareth Cliff can be quite egotistical in his response but his underlying argument was correct its not about her feeling or racism. It's about service delivery and the lack of it that is what this election is about, we are all sick of dirty cities, potholes, street lights that don't work, police we are scared to call because we aren't sure if they will come or it will be more of a problem. That's what we will be voting for November 1. Whoever you vote for vote for them because of what you don't believe you are getting and what you would like to get.

[@lindanigumede9303]

Service delivery and anti-racism are not mutually exclusive. None is more important than the other. My problem is when one group wants to tell another how to feel. That their lived experiences are trivial and shouldn’t inform their choice of political party. That thinking is akin to saying that a woman must marry or stay married to an abusive husband because he provides a home, food, money (service delivery) for her.

[@jaconwood]

@@lindanigumede9303 For heaven's sake..what about 'sticking to a topic' in a debate, don't you get? Disrespecting the host and the other guest by going off topic about personal grievances, is very immature and unprofessional. Take your gripes to the human rights commission and be pro active on a platform that has been provided to each and every citizen. Or start your own channel where you can call the shots...become an influencer..not a cry baby... then you will be taken seriously. Now? Not so much!

[@lindanigumede9303]

@@jaconwood all three of them, including the host, digressed. Gareth said so himself.

[@jaconwood]

@@lindanigumede9303 Sigh.. did John complain about his personal experiences?

[@lindanigumede9303]

@@jaconwood neither did Mudzuli. She simply said ‘you haven’t experienced the racism that I experience’ in response to Gareth statement that racism isn’t an issue in elections. That’s a very fair response when someone tries to minimise what something that is a big deal for you, simply because it doesn’t affect them.

[@edmundwessels2072]

This moved out of the local election conversation to a national conversation

[@caldinewyngaard6334]

Apart from Gareth Cliff's absolute disregard for REAL STRUGGLES majority of the SA population is really really an indication of the HUGE divide between people in South Africa. It is however COMPLETELY unacceptable to tell someone their expirience of racism are anecdotal and UNIMPORTANT 😲😲😲😲 NO!

[@rthare1]

She had to play the race card. Can she give one example of how she's racially marginalized in a day?

[@khongelanishiluvana3467]

John brought up race and she engaged. He brought it up several times actually before she engaged

[@rthare1]

@@khongelanishiluvana3467 yes but how has she been marginalised? Whites have a case for being marginalised over the last 28 years.

[@sethu3585]

The race card 😂 chill your privilege is showing... Honey just because you don't experience racism does not mean it not happening 🙄 like yes honey it been 28 years and there is still racism happening

[@f.ur.y3514]

If you are tired of hearing about racism, Imagine how tired people are of experiencing it

[@fin2643]

@@rthare1 "whites have a case of being marginalised over the last 28 years" while enjoying the benefits of aprtheid which lasted 300+ years....ok

[@carmennicholson2867]

The ANC is a sad estate. The promises of 1 million homes and not even 1 was built .

[@danemarais7398]

At this point, I really don’t care who wins the elections as long as the DA continues to run Cape Town I’m happy.

[@davidfrederick4530]

You won’t be happy for too long😬

[@danemarais7398]

@@davidfrederick4530 I beg to differ.

[@feliztudor9463]

No, it was NEVER right to lock down.

[@ziondavidsewraj]

ACTIONSA, all the way. The ANC we dont even go there. Tired of both the DAs lies to cover up its interesting backstories and false prospects. The DA doesn't realise that it doesnt possess the ability to develop South Africa, as we can see in the Western Cape they can only sustain previous development. That's on a national level, on a local Level the DA's candidates are useless career politicians. And the focus of the DA is on the middle and upper class and ignores the lower class citizen. A proper political party focuses on both socioeconomic groups. I can see ACTIONSA as this party. Mr Steenhuisen has also cost his party great loss as he has lost a serious aspect that SAs voters look for, the representation of color in the higher echelons of the DA. He also ignores that ACTIONSAs clear focus is to unseat the ANC, the mere fact that Steenhuisen had to bring ACTIONSA up shows that ACTIONSA is of great concern to him and his party. As we can see in Johannesburg, ACTIONSA has a great chance of overpowering the DA. Clearly not as an opposition to the DA but the greater concern, the tyrannical ANC. As for OneSA, independent candidates may create small changes in local government elections, not large but small, as we heard they only have around 250 Candidates nationwide in all wards, Durban Alone has 300 wards. Also independent Candidate systems cannot change South Africa nationally. Voters majoritarially also tend not to lean towards independent Candidates. If a candidate is independent they have their own views and no accountability, therefore if they have to be inline with OneSAs views they are no longer independent. So after all this consideration, I place my underage trust upon ACTIONSA.

[@lr6477]

I love the way she speaks, sorry if it sounds rude but its rare in this country. Im highly impressed.

[@lr6477]

Ok now im annoyed tht she pulled the identity politics race card. What a pity

[@khwezikazigqoli5233]

Well informed Sisi. Great Emotional Intelligence.

[@joelenepretorius3905]

Truth is truth, not perception of truth or how we perceive it. This is Local Goverment elections to stabilize ones home environment, from which other important issues can then be addressed. This is the natural order of life, no matter how much debate you put into it..

[@godfather_Gb]

This is about service delivery not identify politics,I don't care about your race ,gender ethnicity ,sexual orientation or whatever. Can you fix the issues that are in my neighborhood.thats it.

[@Hair-today]

Yes the DA will fix a lot of stuff if we give them a solid 50% plus in these elections. You can fix this my man!

[@carmennicholson2867]

@@Hair-today give the EFF all your votes. The DA are whitewashed. We want back our lands!!

[@trhoda2001]

As a non-white South African who recently left SA and living in another country, I am relieved to not be subjected anymore to this same racist bullying by privileged white folk like clearly displayed in this interview. Racism still prevails in SA and there are still many affected by it. Clearly some white people including you Gareth still need to get back to earth. You’ll lose the support of Nandos and with immediate affect, people like me who falls under your definition of ‘NOBODY’. RACISM IN SA IS NOT ANECDOTAL. Its still alive and its a FACT.

[@trhoda2001]

‘recently left’ quoted from my post. Please learn to read and comprehend before trying to bully.

[@trhoda2001]

Again. You can’t comprehend or string a coherent argument together, but you want to be a keyboard warrier fool. You hide behind ‘Edit Name’ and feel you can go bully. Pathetic.

[@fielaseanderkind7119]

as a non white you should know africa is for africans, so come back home, unless you now live "in another country" in africa. i find it bizarre how many blacks flock to europe or america or oz etc, when all we hear is how africa is for africans. if africa is so great, why do so many africans leave for greener pastures?

[@trhoda2001]

@@fielaseanderkind7119 I am not in a European counttry my friend. And even if I was, focus on what I am trying to say. I’m saying that up till recently I was STILL subjected to racism in SA /(Cape Town) specifically. So I’m conveying that racism is still real in our beloved country and pricks like these want to dismiss it as anecdotal and ‘nobody cares’. Please focus on the point I am making, instead of judging me about something that is not related to the topic.

[@fielaseanderkind7119]

@@trhoda2001 i was not judging you, i was asking a question and expanding on the conversation about non whites leaving this place. you say you're not in a european country, where are you located now?

[@marindadegersigny1243]

You should have asked John what the DA's stance is on the brutal, unprovoked attacks by police on citizens of Cape Town in Sea Point. Rumour has it that the rich residents in Sea Point do not want their white privileged peace disrupted by peaceful protests and so instructed the DA to get the police in full riot gear to attack defenceless women, children, old ladies and men with their batons and shields. They were also instructed to remove their name and number badges so they could not be identified. The attacks seemed to be targeting members of the ORGANIC HUMANITY MOVEMENT and a policeman actually broke his shield on the founder of the party and her husband was badly beaten up. Another policeman attacked a middle aged lady from behind severely injuring her back and she is presently in a wheelchair. The media was also instructed to stay away even though they were aware of the gathering and covered the two previous protests in the same area. Figure it out for yourself Gareth

[@dionoliveira4058]

Excellent discussion, thank you Gareth for keeping it on track and dispelling the usual fog tactics.

[@siyandadeda7358]

hE IS PLEASED WITH EVERYTHING THE JOHN GUY SAYS ON THIS INTERVIEW. THAT SAYS A ALOT ABOUT THE HOST

[@Hair-today]

Yes he is trying to get the truth you fool

[@Music-scene]

@@Hair-today After a few of your comments here, we can reliably conclude you are the biggest fool here. He proly comes after you!!

[@siyandadeda7358]

@@Hair-today his resists truth , I know boo we all know

[@buzwefani6984]

Our culture sometimes can be detrimental to other things. For instance we don’t talk over another person. It’s absolutely rude..

[@kerrymackenzie5714]

And she handled it so well.

[@khanyanqabomzinqundwana7599]

When it suits us, be specific

[@Hair-today]

Yes you do if you are the host. She must toola

[@buzwefani6984]

@@Hair-todayOur culture doesn’t allow it, but she acted professionally n apologized afterwards.

[@buzwefani6984]

@@khanyanqabomzinqundwana7599 create your own response n be “specific”. If pha kowenu anihloniphani ngeyenu leyo

[@rethabilethakhuli4551]

This was honestly a fair interview, the "anecdotal" aspects were also addressed by all parties. What's with the outrage?

[@juanlabuschagne6233]

Yep. And she fuelled it by putting her chosen snippet on Twitter without appropriate context. She's still very green and perhaps should learn to turn off the vibrations if she's being coached.

[@thelmamtshweni334]

We live in a “clip” generation, where people just want to be outraged for everything!

[@katlegomokwena6975]

yoh people are craze on Twitter

[@luckymtshweni5366]

@@thelmamtshweni334 na Mtshweni injalo ma.

[@PrincessWithoutLand]

He was insensitive. Even if he'd said that to another white guy, but it's aggravated by him being a white guy speaking to a black woman.

[@2lasizwe]

Hopefully when the dust settles South Africans can deal with the current ANC government the same way they deal with 'racists/racism'. We need more people like Thomas Sowell, Glen Loury and the likes in SA. Lived experiences are important to individuals who went through those experiences maybe to their friends and family or even community, however lived experiences are subjective. I think Cliff was really trying to move the debate away from I (identity politics), to what ordinary South Africans actually need and what needs to change. To call the guy a racists, well I don't think that is well founded in the context of this discussion.

[@thegift9007]

Thank yu, my thoughts exactly.

[@katlegomokwena6975]

this is the best response i have seen about this whole topic

[@fin2643]

what do you understand racism to be????? the inequality that exists in RSA today is because of racism...oh i guess its "not important"

[@atriddles689]

@@fin2643 thank God you can see that racism( BEE, affirmative action) caused the inequalities in SA

[@theunknownone18]

Your the first to make a sensible statement.

[@erileneheinsen14]

Mudzuli has so much class!

[@nonkunkosi8345]

He says competent people should be put in the right positions, what qualifies him to be the leader of DA when he is probably the least educated person within the DA, how is this not Cadre deployment?

[@blakiwhite5664]

It's not cadre deployment because he is a demonstrated leader. He wasn't assigned to his role through nepotism, but rather based on the merit of experience. The fact that he doesn't have a degree is unfortunate, but it's not a necessity.. At least the man finished highschool with decent marks, and attempted to get a degree (he stopped due to financial difficulties and needing to focus on work instead- a degree eventually became unnecessary). I don't think you should knock him down for this. But I do hope you were upset that Zuma made it to president of our country without even finishing high-school- and while he was being accused of corruption and collusion.

[@dirtbikedude-cb6ji]

@Edit Name 💀😂😂😂true

[@taraalbertyn2647]

Ive watched this and given it considerable thought. Garethh got carried away abit at 1 point sure. But Steenhuizen started from the get go with subtle but clear disrespect towards Mudzuli. He hasnt said her name once, kept referring to her as 'the other guest'. The smirk on his face, the tone her uses when addressing her. All of these things are far more telling than the actions of gareth in my opinion. Congratulations to her for keeping her composure, im not sure I couldve gotten through that interview without loosing it. I agreed with some points on both sides but cannot ignore the disrespect shown by Steenhuizen. If I were the DA, I would be taking note of the actions of my leader and asking if he is infact the right person to lead my party

[@danicaspasoyevbic3933]

We dont won't vakcine. Big No

[@Hair-today]

Get the jab mampara

[@LloydVenske]

I am battling to find what the issue was.. Gareth should just have acknowledged her experiences but he didn’t want to be drawn into race issues.. the theme was service delivery

[@lindintuli663]

Thank you!!!

[@tonitappous2422]

@Lloyd Venske Agreed- and now Gareth has been very unfairly cancelled by Nandos and the wokerati! What a terrible shame!

[@districtsix6703]

Service delivery for whom?

[@LloydVenske]

@@districtsix6703 All of us. Our infrastructure is falling apart.. I don’t drink tap water anymore

[@nicokoert8153]

please did you watch this podcast she did not bring up the race issue Gareth did, when he brought up the posters in Phenix and John DA started with his hero shit.

[@VanZyl.]

Based Gareth Cliff

[@anamthetrainer1090]

I don't see what people are going crazy about with Gareth here, this was very nice chat overall though.

[@gerhardlesch3615]

Gareth stated to John that he does not invite people on his show to give them an easy ride.

[@johandroskie834]

Keep up the good work Gareth thanks for always telling the truth.Hope the DA kicks ass this election they CAN change the country.

[@deongerber2438]

Proud of you. F them

[@RenaldoG]

It's quite clear that Mudzuli was getting instructions from someone because her phone was buzzing nonstop and she kept on looking at the texts... Check her eyes.

[@desocrate]

Not just that, the buzzing was extremely annoying

[@mooncake387]

maybe she's a busy person

[@chrisnaude2929]

Thanks Alex Jones

[@OmphileKgatle]

I expect nothing else from you

[@Hair-today]

Drove us insane!!! Fiddling and typing noggal. Check the comments on the livestream! We kept asking her to turn her f phone off vibrate. She just ignored us/wasn't even looking at what the people were saying/listening to anybody.

[@johann.9271]

You all came here for the part from 29:00

[@maryroux8828]

Wow! What a diplomat you are Gareth! Well done. I'm impressed.

[@wendsdogmom]

I chatted to local Indian resident who lives in Phoenix, he was very complementary of the DA and said they were the only party worth voting for. He agreed with the posters. He and many residents of all races defended Phoenix side by side

[@mooncake387]

of all races? lmao please

[@sabelo4816]

Lmao well what exactly did you expect an Indian resident from Phoenix to say?

[@moloimotlatsi1980]

You talked to 1 And you feel relevant to comment. Your DA leader spoke to 4 on campus and felt empowered to raise it as valid. Naive!!!

[@prudencemalinga9913]

Karen please

[@zilungiselembanjwa9760]

Your point?

[@obiknobi8447]

There must be choice. Municipal and National. Not just ANC or DA. In my opinion.

[@Hair-today]

Our only choice is to vote DA to save this country.

[@chumasande]

@@Hair-today lol

[@kylefleming7680]

Germany has a very healthy diversity of political parties right now. There's so little chance for any party to get minority that every government is a coalition essentially

[@tokosekgothudi9988]

@@Hair-today No,MR MASHABA IS THE RIGHT MAN TO VOTE FOR

[@enkosikhohliso3950]

@@Hair-today 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@samanthaschoeman6912]

Never apologise to a mob.

[@melikhayazagagana3761]

Good for him, John soon will go back to selling dog shampoo, and Gareth will continue exploiting free platforms to feed himself, coz soon nobody will associate themselves with crony racists.

[@Hellstothenaw]

@MELIK Shut up

[@melikhayazagagana3761]

@@Hellstothenaw I don't take orders from unwashed idiots.

[@richardmarshall1647]

As much as John is a great chief whip and adept at ripping the ANC to shreds, left feeling underwhelmed by him, concerning for the future of the DA.

[@jaconwood]

I am very disappointed in the DA here in Cape Town. Under their watch, shacks have been and are being erected on the pavement on the main road in Observatory. Another issue is the drug trafficking that is openly allowed on the streets and from the 'businesses' run by foreigners in these suburbs along the main road. The homeless are allowed to roam free, litter, pollute, damage property, and steal to their heart's content. I will not vote for the DA again.

[@seriousstrawberry3064]

I love this woman. Intelligent and not just shouting out rubbish like the blue t-shirts. She is seriously intelligent. The DA never once mentioned the lady's name out of courtesy. That is sad.

[@potsisomocheke3586]

That's racist right? GTFOH!!!

[@Hair-today]

23 000 VIEWS!!! Great Gareth. SA and the world will see the truth! VIVA DA VIVA!!! Democratic Alliance let’s pull this country out of the grave. Gareth, your fans totally understand if you going to lie low for a while but I am going to miss you and the awesome team on Monday. Gareth, you are a legend see you soon! Lots of ❤️

[@xolanimazibuko367]

Hi Robin, What does "VIVA" mean?

[@OldRhino]

@@xolanimazibuko367 It is a French word, that means "long live", first used in the phrase "Viva la France" that was popularized during the French revolution of 1789 - 1799.

[@Hair-today]

@@xolanimazibuko367 what does xolani mean you mampara

[@Hair-today]

@@OldRhino I can answer for myself don’t take me for a naai

[@OldRhino]

@@Hair-today now, now, don't get your panties in a twist, because I didn't take you for anything. Educating the young is the responsibility of everyone, after all. 😉😁

[@mpetersen9825]

What I do agree with John to bring the ANC below 50%

[@Music-scene]

And racism to 0!!

[@melikhayazagagana3761]

Show me a white member of DA that ever wear a DA t-shirt with Mmusi Maimane's face. At some point DA was in disagreement with a motion that was raised in parliament, it's leader Mmusi at the time walked out, the rest of the MPs remained, when John decided to walk out too at a later stage, all the other MPs followed him. When khayelitsha informal settlement residents protested for service delivery, Helen Zille said there were no people there according to her, only trees and sand, but when it comes to elections, she went there a lot even carry snotty kids. When Zille finally decided to build toilets for khayelitsha residents, she only installed unsheltered toilet ports to dehumanize them. All these little things in between are a clear example of DA character. They can't even hide it, now John doesn't call Mudzuli by name, his little intellect can't even allow him to be civil. Now you think the majority of South Africans can vote for racism. Never, they can only defend the second spot from EFF. In DA's policy document racism doesn't no longer exist in South Africa, therefore it's not catered for. Vote for all but not DA it will be worse than ANC. They go around saying they get things done, go to Cape Town townships and see for yourself if DA gets things done. Service delivery ends by the suburbs in the City of Cape Town. Poor people leave in filthy and crime ridden areas. I have said enough about Gareth, the only word that follows him around is racism, that's his passion. I admire Freedom Front Plus and Afri-Forum, they are not fake, they are for white people, unlike DA sitting on the fence hoping to gain black people's majority votes so they can unleashed the devil in full swing.

[@siyabongaxashimba8619]

As for John, shame school is really important

[@amm7088]

@siyabonga xashimba as for you!!! You need to source out a working brain .clearly is more important to fill your vaccum🤣

[@khanyanqabomzinqundwana7599]

It's important because you've been systematically manipulated to think that way

[@dailyfx1415]

@@amm7088 you brain definitely doesn't work

[@henry1395]

As if you sound schooled! Lol

[@amm7088]

@@dailyfx1415 true to your name you seem to have skipped your daily fx ! NB :chronic meds are important

[@leratolakaje6715]

How saddening I'm literally in disbelief

[@sandrajansevanvuuren7121]

Why these conversations are vital. Afrikaans is a language spoken by 7 million of people, a lot living in the WC.

[@JF-NG]

@@sandrajansevanvuuren7121 i dont think her comment was in reference to the language discussion. And you should update your numbers. I think the latest figures is double that.

[@graywz]

The cellphone sms vibrations are really distracting and annoying.

[@samsingh6643]

Mudzuli Rakhivhane; you are a great principled young woman. Big up to you for standing up to; two white entitled males; Gareth Cliff and John Steenhuisen in this video clip. Someone may just think that your being boxed between them in this video clip is inconsequential. It is not. It is meant to tell you that young woman; we ( Gareth Cliff and John Steenhuisen) know best; what is of paramount importance for the people of South Africa. Don’t tell us about racism. It is ‘neither here nor there for us’. That is the message they are not only driving into your head but mine; also. I get this message from Gareth and John loud and clear. That The Constitution of the Republic of South Africa; 1996; the supreme law of our land; in Chapter Two titled the ‘ Bill of Rights’ which is entrenched by the way; if you get my drift; states categorically that ‘ Every citizen has the right to enter; to remain in and to reside anywhere in; the Republic’; in this video clip; the entitled duo; Gareth and John; care less about. Gareth and John believe that they are well equipped to tell Mudzuli Rakhivhane and me; that ‘ our personal lived experience is completely anecdotal and unimportant ‘. I am least shocked by these sort of utterances. I was born at the time when the Apartheid White Minority Government in South Africa dictated to us black people where to live; what to eat and what sort of education system was ‘ excellent ‘ for a black child. It took the bravery of us; the then youth of the Soweto Class of 1976; to dismantle the ‘ Bantu Education System ‘ which they themselves without consulting our parents; designed for us; black students then ‘. The purpose of the Bantu Education system was to domesticate a black child. Our geography syllabus at the time had nothing to do with learning geography scientifically. We had to learn; as students; in Soweto; all the names of the railway stations from Vereeniging in Sedibeng to Park Station in the City of Johannesburg ( CoJ ). When the then inspector of Bantu Education system visited Soweto schools; a de Beer if my memory serves me well; we all had to be ready to vomit; by heart; to him in class; the names of railway station after station from Vereeniging to Park Station. Inspector de Beer knew then; what was ‘ important’ for a black child to learn in the same way as today; in our democratic South Africa; where Gareth Cliff and John Steenhuisen; have a nerve to tell Mudzuli and me ‘ what is important’. Perhaps one day when you ( Mudzuli ‘ have time; you will educate Gareth and John about what our Constitution which; we all adopted in 1996 enjoins them to know how to live and behave. We are all equal in terms of our Constitution. Women ( black and white ) are so defined as part of the most vulnerable members of society by the world body; the United Nations ( UN ). Shame on you Gareth and John for attempting to box young Mudzuli. She showed you that she is not a pushover. Gareth; if you didn’t interrupt her at every turn; the young black Mudzuli would have educated you properly about our Constitution in particular; Chapter 2 Bill of Rights. Adv MS Muofhe

[@khongelanishiluvana3467]

Both Garreth and John brought up race many times, and when the black woman wants to talk about race she gets dismissed! 😬😬 and John still continued talking about race after they told the woman they didn’t want to talk about race. How far does white privilege go? 😱😱

[@schalkjonker925]

WTF.... Wake up! I believe white privilege are earned! Some people are just to lazy to work for it..... Call it what you like, nothing falls in your lap.... Except if you are a corrupt politician in SA

[@sfisomkhwanazi8705]

I am absolutely fascinated that John did not even make an effort to mention Mudzuli's name. At some point, he referred to her as your 'guest'. It's almost like how the DA and FF Plus see blacks. We are just adding numbers and a huge inconvenience to them. I should also add, it would have been easier for Gareth to invite John and exclude Mudzuli for this conversation. It really sounded like two privileged whites catching up!!!

[@schalkjonker925]

It takes hard work to be privileged!!! Its not something you get feom sitting in the shade, and blame everyone around you for you not being privileged???

[@chiefer1325]

Good morning Gareth, and good morning to your Guest!.... The guest has a name...

[@stephentsilo4813]

Yes it was hot like peri peri from Nandos but i think this is politics... Take a chilli bite Nandos and reconsider

[@donreed]

The Lunatic of The Day has thus been identified.

[@emmarentiawalker2766]

All this gets so boring, same old stuff every day. Why don’t we get that chip off our shoulder and get on with trying to sort the mess that South Africa (our beloved country) is in.

[@meganbester488]

I do feel they spoke over her and Gareth sided with Johan, but she was very composed and never got emotional. She is soft speaker, but that's where the right person should have been chosen to be the representative. Politics are never fair and people wil always either speak over you or try and force their opinions on you, but she handled it very well and hopefully with experience and time she wilI learn from this. I would have liked to have heard why she feels discriminated against. I don't believe in silenceing anyone as it always has a ripple effect.

[@snayezulu7251]

Totally agree with you. Gareth decided to make himself part of the debate and didn’t really host the show. It was very uncomfortable to watch. I WISH Phumi was there or that the representative for ActionSA was someone like Lebo Mashego. Gareth would not have gotten away with the b*llishit he demonstrated on Thursday. I still can’t believe he brought this up as a victory for himself in the Friday show. I just switched it off and went back to sleep.

[@ConservativeCapitalist]

She did a perfect job, and she articulated herself very well. What is that you want to know about the discrimination of a black woman in SA? Was the bullying of her by Gareth, not proof enough how males disrespect a educated woman’s view? Mixing her soft spokeness , with the right tone. That woman was brilliant, she took them both out. Hope you noticed how John exposed his stupidity by admitting, they took of the posters because of media pressure, what a sad character.

[@meganbester488]

@@ConservativeCapitalist I agree with you. She was ganged up on. They went through so many topics that she didn't get the chance to really speak and you could see how her eyes lit up in the beginning when she spoke. She never belittled them or dropped to their standards. I think Gareth should have invited her for a one on one.

[@mememuse3560]

It's obvious you're DA Gareth. DA would be nothing in certain communities if it had not been for Musi Maimane

[@more2much696]

That's true

[@andrewnyathi_Sr]

Is the guy on the left a moderator or a debator? He’s Rude and biased AF I understand why those he claims didn’t want to come to his show chose not to! Stay away from interviewing politicians if you yourself is a “ politician “ hiding behind a podcast mic.

[@Hair-today]

Up yours he is brilliant

[@snayezulu7251]

Spot on!!! John Steenhuizen ended up saying far less in the debate because Gareth decided he’ll be the opponent. Distasteful!

[@harisadu8998]

He's not a politician running for any elected office.