The Captured Emperor - Valerian #34 Roman History Documentary Series

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@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658
@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658 2 жыл бұрын
Valerian and his son made a great Duo. Shame it was cut so short and in such a way because it could have been the thing that ended the crisis. Next time we will have arguably the most underrated emperor of the period.
@tobiasbourne9073
@tobiasbourne9073 2 жыл бұрын
Gallienus' assassination is genuinely depressing to think about, much sadder than Aurelian's
@starlight0313
@starlight0313 Жыл бұрын
​@@tobiasbourne9073 he was an Emperor that reigned for double digit years in the Third Century Crisis
@dlugi4198
@dlugi4198 7 ай бұрын
@@tobiasbourne9073 Aurelian kinda caused it by himself by creating Draconian laws.
@MegaTang1234
@MegaTang1234 2 жыл бұрын
"10/10 footstool, would capture and ransom again!" - Shapur, 3rd century.
@K55365
@K55365 10 ай бұрын
That's actually a myth. Valerian was treated well by Shahpur: 'Shâhpûr held Valerian captive for seven years , during which time he employed him in helping to build the Great Dam ( Shâdhurwân ) across the river Dujêl , immediately below the city which the Arabs call Tustar and the Persians Shustar' from the book The Rise & Progress of Assyriology by Sir Ernest Alfred Wallis Budge.
@Hilversumborn
@Hilversumborn 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly Valerian set the foundations on which future emperor's could rebuild the empire which IMO makes him a good emperor.
@almighty5839
@almighty5839 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@geordiejones5618
@geordiejones5618 8 ай бұрын
Yeah but getting captured undermined imperial authority until Auralien restored its prestige. That's not for nothing. He deserves some blame for the next 20ish years of chaos. That said he was clearly a capable leader and may have simply suffered the worst luck ever, but it's gotta reflect poorly that he wedged himself so badly that he was able to be captured. And this is coming less than 10 years after Decius and his son are killed in battle. The worst imperial embarrassments of this century.
@thatonelad4594
@thatonelad4594 2 жыл бұрын
Excited to see Gallienus next episode
@tobiasbourne9073
@tobiasbourne9073 2 жыл бұрын
We'll get to see Gallienus in all his glory
@lukemitchell5337
@lukemitchell5337 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait until SPQR Historian talks about Aurelian
@TetsuShima
@TetsuShima 2 жыл бұрын
Emperor Gallienus: "WHERE'S MY FATHER, SAPHUR?!" Shapur: "You are touching him right now..." Emperor Gallienus: *Notices the rug under him*
@causantinthescot
@causantinthescot 2 жыл бұрын
Gallienus: I WILL KILL... No, I have to clean up the mess before attacking your sh*thole empire. Perhaps 20 years later you will watch your capital being razed and salted by my troops, and I will annex all the Mesopotamia and parts of Persia!
@starlight0313
@starlight0313 Жыл бұрын
The second saddest thing was that they didn't flay the entire Sassanid family
@ramtin5152
@ramtin5152 Жыл бұрын
It's *Shapur
@mrshrek362
@mrshrek362 Жыл бұрын
​@@starlight0313boo hoo
@flaviushonoriusemperorofro3903
@flaviushonoriusemperorofro3903 4 ай бұрын
saphur made a gift to gallienus with the demise of his father........
@ancientsitesgirl
@ancientsitesgirl 2 жыл бұрын
A brilliantly presented biography! Great channel!😮❤️
@Transilvanian90
@Transilvanian90 2 жыл бұрын
Valerian, probably: "The previous two Emperors were murdered by their own troops, I hope to the Gods that I can avoid the same fate" Shapur: "I got you bro"
@tarkorotsu
@tarkorotsu 2 жыл бұрын
Without him and his son Gallienus, the Roman Empire would have likely split up permanently. They did a lot of the leg work in trying to put the reigns back on the horse and their work allowed Claudius II, Aurelian, Probus, and Diocletian to put the empire back together. Valerian was dealt a bad hand with a very weakened army and constant raids and bouts of plagues in his portions of the empire. So though it was a major humiliation in his capture, at least all the work he and his son did proved that his reign as Roman Emperor was not in vain.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 2 жыл бұрын
His organisation of The Empire anticipated Diocletian's but wasn't so neat.
@flaviushonoriusemperorofro3903
@flaviushonoriusemperorofro3903 4 ай бұрын
that work was done mostly by gallienus.
@ScentsOfSouthJersey
@ScentsOfSouthJersey 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video ! Subscribed
@TheSarenarass
@TheSarenarass 2 жыл бұрын
just found this channel. cant wait to see these videos on the less known emperors!
@septimiusseverus343
@septimiusseverus343 2 жыл бұрын
_A true blue Roman who tried his level best. Rome may be down, but it is far from being out!_
@robbabcock_
@robbabcock_ 2 жыл бұрын
I love these episodes on the emperors! ⚔ ⚔ ⚔
@TheOne5872-n3n
@TheOne5872-n3n 2 жыл бұрын
Now this guy needs a movie about him , his raise to emperor then ending with his capture at the hands of Shapur, image that?
@causantinthescot
@causantinthescot 2 жыл бұрын
First! 3:40 OMG THE REINCARNATION OF GAIVS IVLIVS CARSAR HAVE ARRIVED IN THE VIDEO!!!!!! PRAISE SOL INVICTVS
@tobiasbourne9073
@tobiasbourne9073 2 жыл бұрын
People can talk about how great Aurelian was all they want and how sad his death was, but I believe Gallienus was just as good an emperor with a much sadder death. Aurelian was part of the conspiracy to assassinate Gallienus, so I suppose he got a taste of his own medicine when he also met his fate.
@geordiejones5618
@geordiejones5618 2 жыл бұрын
Nah he was undermined way too much. The Gallic Empire fell because it was terrified of Auralien's wrath. He failed to put down Posthumus too which is high key embarassing. Odaenathus was a much much more competent soldier and statesman, same with Probus.
@tobiasbourne9073
@tobiasbourne9073 2 жыл бұрын
@Geordie Jones Gallienus underwent so many more hardships than Aurelian and still performed as a competent ruler and reigned longer than any other in the Crisis of the Third Century. His father was humiliated, tortured, and executed by the Persians, his 8 yr old son was possibly killed by his own trusted general, his 18yr old son was killed by his rebelling general, and then himself and his wife were both stabbed to death by his own troops, probably including Aurelian. Gallienus made reforms to the cavalry and to limit the corruption among generals, he held out against huge amounts of barbarian invaders and also managed to defeat a stupid amount of usurpers. He additionally treated Christians well and was the first emperor to recognise Christianity as a legitimate religion with the Little Peace of the Church.
@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control
@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control 2 жыл бұрын
I am always impressed by how much you can fit into these short form videos.
@harryjackson3867
@harryjackson3867 2 жыл бұрын
Nice my favourite emperor is next!
@thehistorian9871
@thehistorian9871 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, keep em coming! I would also appreciate if the videos were longer and more in depth, diving also into the personal lives of the emperors but I understand that there are a lack or sources unfortunately.
@TheSPQRHistorian
@TheSPQRHistorian 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I would love to go into more detail but it's simply impossible with the state of tbe sources, what I could do is present the discrepancies between the sources and present the differences but I dont know how intresting that would be considering the low intrest in most of the third century emperors in general. The next video will be 40 min as Gallienus actually ruled for 15 years.
@thehistorian9871
@thehistorian9871 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSPQRHistorian The longer the better. Can’t wait for the Gallienus vid!
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSPQRHistorian Curious that The Persians didn't ransom Valerian. You'd think Gallienus would have a filial duty to buy him back. Definitely sensible to discount Lactantius heavily. He's even less reliable than Plutarch on Carthage.
@njb1126
@njb1126 2 жыл бұрын
Will you cover odenatheus and Zenobia as well?
@hmao4466
@hmao4466 2 жыл бұрын
Great content.
@nothisispatrick4644
@nothisispatrick4644 2 жыл бұрын
3 more emperors before we get the Restorer boi himself
@rkurtz4
@rkurtz4 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and content. Really can’t wait for the next videos.
@aaronTGP_3756
@aaronTGP_3756 Жыл бұрын
Valerian's soldiers likely built the Band-e Kaisar, one of the few Roman architectural projects by the Persians. Valerian was likely put into a prison that resembled a hotel room. After all, the Persians were no barbarians.
@ElliotBrownJingles
@ElliotBrownJingles Жыл бұрын
You can't blame the old Christians for throwing some juicy lil ideas into the information vacuum (regarding Valerian in his absence). The saw the fruit of chance hanging low. They plucked. They ate.
@ilnigromante666
@ilnigromante666 2 жыл бұрын
The stinging roman defeat in Edessa was almost as bad as Cannae.
@rashnuofthegoldenscales4512
@rashnuofthegoldenscales4512 2 жыл бұрын
Worse. It was much worse. It triggered the Third Century Crisis. Cannae had no such political outcome.
@alessandrogini5283
@alessandrogini5283 Жыл бұрын
What we know about this Battle?
@asheland_numismatics
@asheland_numismatics 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@dariusghodsi2570
@dariusghodsi2570 2 жыл бұрын
Why wasnt it mentioned that tens of thousands in the Roman military were also captured alongside their emperor, our benevolently productive ally, who made many advanced irrigation and dam works to improve the farming of our great Aryan brotherhood. They constructed their own colony city with a palace for Valerian in the center, and they would all be integrated as citizens of Eran Shahr by age 50.
@alessandrogini5283
@alessandrogini5283 Жыл бұрын
So It Is possible that Valerian could be rescued by ransom or for negotiate a peace threaty?
@thadtuiol1717
@thadtuiol1717 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Roman saying: "Well, there's more than one way to skin a captured emperor..."
@CantaloupeJones
@CantaloupeJones 10 ай бұрын
Great video awesome technique
@starkillerdude1914
@starkillerdude1914 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what became of Valerian's body since there have been several different stories one being he was turned into a mummy.
@mellowsoul9082
@mellowsoul9082 2 жыл бұрын
Thats a worse fate than death if you're an emperor
@Chaika1974
@Chaika1974 2 жыл бұрын
What's the music you used for the intro? Sounds great
@clydecessna737
@clydecessna737 2 жыл бұрын
I think the traditional pronunciation is "Sharpoor" although I knew a Parsee who pronounced his name "Sharpa".
@avaragejavacoder
@avaragejavacoder 2 жыл бұрын
Intro music?
@amuktadir1991
@amuktadir1991 Жыл бұрын
The greatest Emparor ever.
@وهجالحياة
@وهجالحياة 5 ай бұрын
السلام عليكم بلا زحمه بس اريد المصدر الي انذكر بيه الامبراطور فاليريان او مجاه او بحث او اي شي يخص الامبراطور
@BIRDMAN-ns7jn
@BIRDMAN-ns7jn 2 жыл бұрын
Why is the one about his son not available for me to see anymore??
@flat750
@flat750 2 жыл бұрын
Who is this brilliant voice actor?
@ramtin5152
@ramtin5152 Жыл бұрын
Shapur I changed the battle tactics of the Iranian army into more effective one in case of fighting Roman armies and was fighting an opponent that had battle equipments equal to his men if not better and armies that surpassed his own, in numbers Before he became king, he fought in his father's army in conquest of the Parthian empire at the battle of Hormozdgan and also in his father's raids in the Roman territories and at the battle of Ctesiphon 233 (and probably in the clash between two Roman and Sassanid armies before that which was also a Sassanid victory) all which were successful for the Sassanids After he became Shahanshah, he defeated 3 Roman emperors and even captured one of them personally and probably even killed one according to the Sassanid sources Based on one of the Sassanid tablets, Gordian III died in a Sassanid ambush at the battle of Misiche Each Roman army had between 60,000-70,000 men Although the only information we have about Shapur's numbers is at the battle of Edessa in which he had 40,000 men It's probably safe to assume Romans were outnumbering Shapur 2-1 in his battles He won the battle of Misiche (60,000 Romans), battle of Barbalissos (60,000 Romans), battle of Edessa (70,000 Romans) and plundered 36 Roman cities which the two most known and famous ones are siege of Antioch 253 and siege of Dura Europos 256 After his clash with Odaenathus, Shapur raided eastern parts of Odaenathus kingdom and even won against him at the battle of Ctesiphon 263
@mkpshur
@mkpshur 3 ай бұрын
Shapur was also beaten in the Battle of Rhesaena. And in 257 A D he was probably defeated by Valerian somewhere on the Middle Euphrates,as It signs in a coin with the title VICTORIA PARTHICA.Besides,you said that he defeated Palmyrian King Odenathus near Ctesiphon in 263 when in truth that Battle was won by the Romans and their Eastern allí es allthough Odenathus could not conquer the City due to its strong defenses and wide walls. Three yeats later,Odenathus attacked Ctesiphon again with a bigger army and defeated Shapur, for second time,capturing his satraps and sacking Ctesiphon utterlu. After this,he refusrd to continúe war against Rome.
@ramtin5152
@ramtin5152 3 ай бұрын
@@mkpshur Shapur wasn't present in Rhesaena 243, he was campaigning in the eastern provinces of the Sassanid empire fighting the Sistanis, Khorasanis in central Asia and finally the Gilani rebels in Gilan province in the northern mountains of Iran, during the year 242 AD Fighting three different people, in three different regions, with three different geographical conditions and each one had different battle tactics He couldn't have defeated them all and come to modern day Iraq in just one year
@mkpshur
@mkpshur 3 ай бұрын
@@ramtin5152 Shapur was present in Rhesaena. That champaign against those tribes you are talking about happened before Rhesaena.
@ramtin5152
@ramtin5152 3 ай бұрын
@@mkpshur Read his military career, right after his first clash with Odaenathus, he plundered Odaenathus eastern borders, if his army was defeated as the Romans claim, then how and why did he take his sweet time to do that with a persuing Roman army after him and his army ? Odaenathus attacked Ctesiphon in 263 and failed to conquer the city The only damage he caused was the surrounding areas of Ctesiphon which was due to the Sassanid soldiers fighting against Odaenathus forces The Sassanids successfully defended their capital during that battle Take a good look at the results of the battle of Ctesiphon 263 AD He was blocked by a Sassanid army in his second campaign in 266 and once again defeated and forced to retreat Take a look at the Historymarche's the battle of Edessa video
@ramtin5152
@ramtin5152 3 ай бұрын
@@mkpshur Resaena happened in 243 He was fighting three different people ever since 242 AD one after another Take a look at where Mesopotamia was and then take a look at where Sistan, great Khorasan and Gilan provinces were It would've taken more than just one year for him to fight and subdue all three of them in three different regions
@TrajGreekFire
@TrajGreekFire 2 жыл бұрын
Do I hear the HBO Rome soundtrack? nice
@roywalker2649
@roywalker2649 Жыл бұрын
Footnote:Valerian!
@anthonymeyers3184
@anthonymeyers3184 2 жыл бұрын
This period has to be the apex of the third century crisis.
@delavalmilker
@delavalmilker Жыл бұрын
Lactantius's account needs to be taken with more than a grain of salt. His book "On the Deaths of the Persecutors" was a collection of horror stories about those in history who had persecuted Christianity, and how God had punished them. And since Valerian had been a major suppressor of Christianity, one can hardly expect Lactantius to be honest about Valerian's end. More than likely he was treated honorably by Shapur, since as a King himself, it was part of the "club rules" of kings not to humiliate fellow kings.
@hojatsaeed7240
@hojatsaeed7240 2 күн бұрын
دوست گرامی ما پارسی زبان ها کانال شما رو دنبال میکنیم لطفا ترجمه فارسی را فعال کنید ،، دوستدار شما از ایران تاریخی❤❤
@grapeshot
@grapeshot 2 жыл бұрын
OUCH!!!! New job a piece of furniture🍄👣
@anthonymeyers3184
@anthonymeyers3184 2 жыл бұрын
Seems to have been a great increase of usurpers and revolts after Valerian, his son must have done something wrong.
@youvebeengreeked
@youvebeengreeked 2 жыл бұрын
*IV...*
@Delta-V1
@Delta-V1 Жыл бұрын
Arabs tread on the Persians at the end.👍
@faraz8135
@faraz8135 Жыл бұрын
Yes, but even the Arabs could not destroy Iran !!! If you look at the history logically, you will realize that Iran was never defeated by the Arabs!! now we have our own language (Persian) after 3000 years, also Iranian culture It is still alive. Even the religion of Islam that we have is Shia and it is completely different from Arabia and they dont accept our religion(About Shia Islam i must say that Shia Islam is an interpretation of Iranian culture that Iranians made). And finally, with the passage of time, those caliphs came and went, but Iran and Iranians still stand after 3000 years. This is the meaning of true power. But Rome, after the final fall from the Ottomans, could not rise again
@brendanquinn6894
@brendanquinn6894 5 ай бұрын
A lot of errors and omissions in this. Not a reliable production.
@chrisschaeffer9661
@chrisschaeffer9661 5 ай бұрын
I guess shortly after Burning the Christians, Shapur Burnt Valerian. I would've used that against him as an example as well. Politicize TF out of that.
@flaviushonoriusemperorofro3903
@flaviushonoriusemperorofro3903 4 ай бұрын
gallienus was a great emperor who did the impossible. he remained in the throne of rome at the third century crisis for an unbelievable 15 long years winning many battles and making reforms in the army but sadly ended up murdered in 268 mainly cause some of his officers despised him cause he was a womanizer and he may have seduced their wives or smg like that beep.
@jimjones1130
@jimjones1130 2 жыл бұрын
Funny referring to a piece of furniture as a "Good Emperor"..
@rashnuofthegoldenscales4512
@rashnuofthegoldenscales4512 2 жыл бұрын
🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷
@ghost-vz5ne
@ghost-vz5ne Ай бұрын
🇮🇷🫵😂
@Bygone3
@Bygone3 2 жыл бұрын
Lol Roman empowers never do well in the east
@septimiusseverus343
@septimiusseverus343 2 жыл бұрын
_Ctesiphon is a beautiful sight when it is burning..._
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 2 жыл бұрын
@@septimiusseverus343 I weep for Seleukia on The Tigris, utterly destroyed by pesky Avidius Cassius.
@causantinthescot
@causantinthescot 2 жыл бұрын
@@septimiusseverus343 Said by Gallienus after completing his task of restoring the empire
@NECHOII
@NECHOII Жыл бұрын
Why did you delete my comment ? You don't like an " inconvienant truth ? "
@staC-wh6ik
@staC-wh6ik Жыл бұрын
Looks like all those persecuted Christians prayers got answered in the most unusual way.
@Hborn
@Hborn Жыл бұрын
Rome lost
@awesomedallastours
@awesomedallastours 2 жыл бұрын
A title card speaks for itself, a voice over saying the same thing is redundant.
@Alex-zy4qg
@Alex-zy4qg Жыл бұрын
When you underestimate the power of a religious cult as a king on your side that's a fate you must endure as a result of such fatal mistake. King Charles is the only true King alive on this planet whom the Jews weren't able yet to conquer his empire.
@staC-wh6ik
@staC-wh6ik Жыл бұрын
Imagine blaming the persecuted ones instead of who starts the persecution. Go home, you're drunk.
@cam5816
@cam5816 Жыл бұрын
What do you mean in the second part about king Charles?
@kerriephillips427
@kerriephillips427 Жыл бұрын
I tell people Rome wasn't all that the Romans got there asses whipped too.
@Almanzor07
@Almanzor07 10 ай бұрын
They had too many enemies
@kerriephillips427
@kerriephillips427 10 ай бұрын
@@Almanzor07 Yes they did my brother the Romans were greedy and they paid the price for it. The Mithridates whipped the Romans asses so bad and did the Romans dirty. After the Romans were defeated the Mithridates grabbed both Roman generals Manius Aquillius and Marcus Licinius Crassus and poured hot liquid Gold down their throats a terrible death. Crassus was the Roman General that killed Spartacus. Last but not least Shapur I king of Persia whipped the Romans asses and he took Roman Emperor Valerian hostage and used Valerian as a step ladder to mount his horse. Shapur I dragged Roman Emperor Valerian around in chains for the rest of his life and the Roman Empire didn't even try to rescue their fallen Emperor. Now you want see any of this in the movie Gladiator, America has a double standard when it comes to Rome.
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